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Who won the debate? WE certainly don't know

DebateCountless trees and electrons will give their lives over the next few days as newspapers, televison and yes, blogs like this one try to dope out who won Friday night's presidential debate between John McCain and Barack Obama. And they'll almost all be wrong. If history tells us anything, it's that debates -- when they make a difference at all -- almost never turn on the sort of stuff that excites the chattering classes.

Columnists and commentators argued endlessly about whether John F. Kennedy or Richard Nixon offered the best ideas to win the Cold War in the first televised debate in 1960. Nobody anticipated that voters would declare Kennedy the winner because he sweated less or looked more tan on camera. In 1980, the instant analysis almost unanimously favored Jimmy Carter over Ronald Reagan. It wasn't until after the election that the impact of Reagan's simple question to voters -- are you better off than you were four years ago? -- became apparent.

Much of the problem is that journalists and policy-wonk commentators inevitably evaluate debates in terms of the currency of their own little society -- the twinkletoes quip, the glib retort, the ability to quickly marshal facts into complete sentences and crisp paragraphs.

But voters don't equate articulation with intelligence -- surely neither of the malaprop-prone Bushes would ever have been elected if that were the case -- and in any event they don't see presidential elections as IQ tests. Surely no one thought Reagan was smarter than Carter, who never failed to remind us that he was a Rhodes scholar and an Evelyn Wood speed reader. Reagan, though, convinced voters that he shared their values, that the America he was headed for was the same one they wanted.

Of course, once in a while the debates offer up an obvious political bonecrusher: Gerald Ford claiming Poland was not part of the Soviet bloc, Lloyd Bentsen's instant evisceration of Dan Quayle. ("Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy.")

But if there was a bleedout moment Friday night, it wasn't instantly obvious. The closest call may have been McCain's can-you-believe-this-guy swipe at Obama's stated desire to hold talks with Iran's ravingly anti-Semitic president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: "So let me get this right," McCain said, rolling his eyes. "We sit down with Ahmadinejad and he says, 'We're gonna wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. And we say, 'Oh no you're not.' Oh, please."

McCain certainly landed his punch -- it was the only time all night that the audience in the hall broke into laughter -- and the jibe fit perfectly into one of his dominant narratives, that Obama lacks the experience to play on a world stage.

That's what (ital)can(ital) make a presidential debate decisive, a signature moment that either confirms or demolishes a campaign theme. Almost as important for Reagan in 1980 as his are-you-better-off question was his amiable but firm response to Carter's attacks: "There he goes again..." His geniality erased the portrait of Reagan that Carter had been painting for voters, that of a nuclear cowboy nutcase, a guy way too crazy to have his finger on the button.

But McCain's barb, edgy as it was, seemed unlikely to undo Obama's performance in the rest of the date: suave, loquacious, facts at his fingertips as he rattled off the names of the new generation of NATO members or reviewed McCain's record on Iraq. Whether you agree with his policy prescriptions or not, Obama didn't seem like a Bobbsey Twin on a foreign policy adventure.

Nor did McCain live down to his negative campaign stereotype, that of a querulous old grouch. Or, rather, he embraced it, repeating two or three times that he didn't win any Miss Congeniality awards in the Senate, always in there battling political pork.

In fact, these debates -- there are two more scheduled before the election -- seem unlikely to put either candidate in a new light. Far more likely is that voters will suffer debate exhaustion: Over the past 18 months, we've seen Obama in 23 debates and McCain in 15. If either of them were going to melt down, surely it would have happened by now. Doesn't this campaign have a fast-forward button?

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Shayna

Hmmm.An Orlando Sentinel columnist/blogger says we all won the debate - because no matter who wins the election, we'll be better off than we have been in the past 8 years. That's a healthy way to look at it.

News industry folks need to stop longing for sound bytes. Most of us out here in real-worldville are trying to figure out which of the candidates is in touch with reality, and which seems lost in space.

To my thinking, both of these guys need to come back to planet earth - but our system doesn't really allow candidates who are everyday folks to win primaries anymore. With the system we have in place now, Reagan would probably have vanished after the first primary.

Jackson

We still don't know Obama and he clearly STILL cannot answer a simple question. Do you know OBama?

http://doyouknowobama.blogspot.com

Jackson

We still don't know Obama and he clearly STILL cannot answer a simple question. Do you know OBama?

http://doyouknowobama.blogspot.com

Jackson

We still don't know Obama and he clearly STILL cannot answer a simple question. Do you know OBama?

http://doyouknowobama.blogspot.com

McCain the Plantation Owner

Since we live in South Florida, we are all use to wearing flip flops to the beach, but you don't want them in the White House.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9111.html

McCain the Plantation Owner

Since we live in South Florida, we are all use to wearing flip flops to the beach, but you don't want them in the White House.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9111.html

pierre collin

i dont trust a man who cannot look another man in the eyes.

junglejim123

McCain had a real grasp on the facts. Obama looked like a sulking child- angry and smirking. Obama gives no real details on his plans -its always Vote for me I'll tell ya later. He was more concerned with this debate than he was about our crippling fiancial mess !! Its always all about Obama. McCain won, he looked Presidential !!! Obama is a snake charmer !!!

OldGOP

I've watched my party move from one of fiscal responsibility and God, to a party of spend like hell and win at any cost - no matter what. We'll have a 11 trillion dollar deficit and 4,000 dead in Iraq - and nobody - nobody cares about getting Osama bin Laden. Gotta have a change and unfortunately John is just more of the same. Never thought I'd vote democratic but we have no choice in '08.

Daredevil

Barry Hussein Obama es an empty suit. He has no idea about anything. Without telepronter he is unable to put two sentences together. McCain, who is not a saint of my cevotion (due to his stance on illegal aliens amnesty), won easiily.
Note: I will vote for the ticket McCain, Palin because of Sarah.

houdini

McCain is trying to win an academy award with his soft grand daddy approach. Oh I'm such a nice man, I'm such a decent man, I've met all the leaders and I've been here and I've been there, and I know this prince, and I know this queen, I'll bet he does. He reminds me of an insecure, rich braggart that thinks he's the annointed one and we're sheep to slaughter.

nytimesreporter

RE":We still don't know Obama and he clearly STILL cannot answer a simple question. Do you know OBama? from
http://doyouknowobama.iamanidiot.com"

We DO know John McCain as an irresponsible ,ill,and explosive old man who will bring this country further to its knees, and to the brink of more wars, along with an idiotic woman for VP. Obama has more intelligence, coolness and leadership than this old fool.

Steve

You can't be serious! Are these two,the best we can offer? I tust that whoever wins will be surrounded by extremely experienced aids. Remember, you are only as good as your tools.

houdini

I've been a life long supporter of the republican party. It is a disgrace what my party has done to ruin America by supporting the continuance of the illegal private Federal Reserve Bank System. My republican party has allowed by corruption and John knows all about it, "especially when he says, Washington changed us, that means he's in on the take." Wall Street and Bankers are to blame because they corrupted John and he supported all the deregualtion. His saying that Fannie and Freddie were in trouble was because regulation was in their way of succeeding.

John, at least Obama speaks truthfully and knows his facts. He is the leader that America wants for peace and prosperity.

Observer

Most of you anti-Obama bloggers had your messages all written before you even watched the debate (if you did). This debate was pretty much a tie, and this was supposed to be McCain's area of expertise....supposed to be an easy McCain win. I for one agree with Obama that Iraq needs to be wound down soon, not 100 years from now. We now are like the British were in Northern Ireland - an occupying force between two native elements that don't like each other. We need to get down to the business of dealing with Bin Laden and with our economy - not keep dribbling away $10 Billion (That's ten thousand million dollars!) each month in Iraq.

Adrian Lukis

To "OldGOP" and the rest of you who think John McCain is "more of the same," you are wrong. John McCain is one of the only politicians these days that will cross party lines and make the right decision for America. Do not let the media fool you since he is old, white, and republican. It is easy for the left-run media to push that, but it is simply wrong. John McCain went against his party in immigration, and from the beginning said there should be more troops in Iraq. Wake up America. John McCain bleeds red, white and blue and DESERVES to be Commander in Chief. Name 1 thing Barack Obama did in the Senate. John McCain will end partisan politics and get things done in the White House.

Jon Paul

I am truly perplexed by American complacency. We went from a positive budget surplus to the biggest deficit in American history over any other nation. We went into Iraq on false pretences, and, last but not least turned a blind eye to the banking misdeeds in Wallstreet -- all under the direction of Goerge W Bush. And, Americans still want more of this by electing John McCain!

My take is simple, whether I like Obama or not, he represents change and nothing, absolutely nothing, can be worse than what we currently have. I say vote for a change -- period the end.

McCains Bush like arogance will, without question, lead us towards another war. Diplomacy is our best tool in our vast arsenal, McCain refuses to acknowledge that because it goes against "their" best interests -- building more armament to fight more wars = wealth for the party. Enough with this nonsence.

OldGOP

Adrian, as a life life long member of the GOP,let me tell you...look at the state of our country. A 11 trillion dollar deficit and fighting a war in the wrong place ($10 billion per week lost) and thousands of dead Americans. John, voted for the war and said he knew where the WMD were. On monday he said the ecomomy was strong. There's no Liberal or Conservative press making up my mind. Bag Osama bin Laden and AlQueda will unwind. John is just an old warrior with old warrior ideas. I wish it was different but its not...

Ted Cruz

Obama loves the camera and the camera loves Obama, however; being president has nothing to do
with how good you look on television and speak in front of the camera. For jobs such as president or principal of a school experience is more important than being a "Master Thespian". Mccain is his own man and his ideas are good and have substance. Suggesting a spending freeze in Washington took much guts. The old man did rather well in my opinion.

benyego

Obviously you think that a communist USA will be a better place then. It could be worst than it is with Obama in the White House. Change is good, but I want to know what exactly is the change. Looks like the change of Mcain is the better change, he is the leader America needs now!

Bee

Shayna,

I agree with you. I think we all won because we are becoming more and more educated.

However, OldGOP has a point ---- never thought I'd be leaning this far to the left, but I am. I'm very concerned about our economic future and the past 8 years have been a huge mistake.

Obama '08

Jovitiec

I can't believe someone would continue to vote for McCain because of Sarah Palin. They must not have watched her with Katie Couric. She and John McCain are more of the same. They want to use the same "My way or the highway" approach that has gotten into the mess that we are in right now. Barack may not have been to all of the places that McCain has been, but his philosophy refects that of the world community, the reflects the views of many minorities and is clearly thinking outside the box. I am definetly for Obama.

OldGOP

Jeez lets all be afraid of communists...what's else bothers you...the Kaiser! Being stuck in this ridiculus old world mind set is dangerous. Spending trillions has put America in a deep hole. We gotta look forward not in the rear. I'm sure John cares about America but he's just not with it. We don't need his new Cold War ideology...

Carl

McCain and Bush have been gambling American lives and treasure in Iraq.

Time and time again, most of the "horses" that they bet on have lost: "shock and awe", disbanding the Iraqi military, de-Bathification, etc.

When they proposed "The Surge", it seemed like just one more long-shot, in a long line of desperate gambles that have failed. Obama was absolutely right in opposing it, because the Administration's dismal track record meant the odds favored yet another failure.

Just because this long-shot gamble paid off, doesn't mean that it was a good bet in the first place.

McCain is a gambler at heart; he loves to shoot craps for high stakes (no doubt they are underwritten by his wealthy wife). Both he and Bush got lucky with "The Surge"....but that one win doesn't make up for all their other losing bets.

Continually betting American lives and treasure on Iraq is a mistake.

One long-shot win doesn't change that basic fact.

It's time to stop gambling with the lives of America's servicemen and servicewomen.

corydig

Every, "Who won the debate" poll I have seen McCain wins. Most over 60% to 82% for McCain. I would also recommend watch this video on who is responsible for the economic crisis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o

OldGOP

Corydig, where on earth are you looking at polls?

OldGOP

Doesn't everyone kinda wonder what Jim Lehrer's opinion of who won debate is? That would be an interesting op-ed.

Elinor

Obama's job was to speak authoritatively on foreign policy, which I believe he did. McCain's job was to convince us that he was temperamentally fit for the job and I am not so sure he accomplished that. His failure to look at Obama, his pouting and his anger were on display. His economic policy which denigrated into talk about earmarks, which given the amount being discussed in Congress right now, is like talking about pocket change, is really no economic policy. He was better on foreign policy. When Obama was able to source Kissinger as backing his plan to talk to Iran, I thought all the air came out of the McCain. Basically this debate was about the past v. the future. On those grounds Obama wins, although neither committed a crushing gaffe. McCain needs a theme, and he needs to stick with it. He is beginning to remind me of Hillary thrashing around for a theme.

Lynn

How does McCain reach across the aisle if he won't even condescend to look at a fellow United States Senator? He does not seem to be a Maverick so much as a guy who does it his way and if people on the other side of the aisle happen to agree with him then he says he is "working across the aisle". McCain does not seem to be one who reaches out to bring new people into the tent.
And McCain thinks the voters are fools-- he tried to fool us with his rehearsed false outrage that Obama voted against money for the troops, but Obama explained that (as McCain would know so he really was trying to fool us voters), that there were two versions of the troop funding bill, one with timelines, which McCain actually voted against, and one without [blank check for Bush], which Obama voted against.
Then there is this silliness about not talking to other countries unless they already do what you want them to do. McCain even has said that he's not sure he would meet with Prime Minister Zapatero of Spain because Spain is not sufficiently supportive of the US in Iraq! He might not even talk to a NATO ally!!! How is this going to improve our standing in the world????

Adrian Lukis

When you look up who tried to regulate Fannie and Freddie in 2003 you will find it was the Republicans. No Democrat voted for it. When you blame the economy solely on the Bush Administration, you are sadly mistaken. It is a combination of things including the immense corruption on Wall Street. Get all the fast before you point every finger at the Republican base for where our economy is. And for people who keep saying they do not want the same 8 years, it is almost like they are saying there was never a good Republican President. JOHN MCCAIN IS NOT GEORGE BUSH. Stop listening to the media. Please do not forget who runs the "DO NOTHING" Congress, that has been in power for the past two years (the years where you can see the biggest downturn for our economy).

OldGOP

Adrian, we need to face the facts most of the deregulation, which can be a great thing, obviously went to far. And that's been a part of our philosophy for years. You need to start looking at facts not factoids and spin. John, unfortuantely, backed George's initiative 90% of the time and now the thing has fallen apart. I'm not a liberal or a democrat but the only option left, to get out of this mess is to make a real change...I wish we could throw out all of the bumms in D.C.

LRB

During the debate, McCain continued to stress how successful "The Surge" was. However, political anlaysts point to the fact that the primary cause of the reduction of violence in Iraq is due to the Sunni "Awakening". The additional troops would not have been successful if Sunni factions had not decided to split from Al Qaeda and cooperate with US forces. McCain thinks that a majority of voters are ignorant of this fact. It shows that he is willing to twist and manipulate information to achieve his own ends. Haven't we seen this before???

AJH

simple math:

obama > mccain

palin = totally effed

bones327

To you folks and the NY Times Reporter who are so far up the Obamabooty:

Every time Obama promises to help with education in other countries, he is reaching into your wallet to give money away to someone else? He wants to raise taxes on everyone who makes more than $40k. He promises more than $400 BILLION in new spending, but his tax plan on those making more than $250K only raises$90 Billion. Where is he going to make up the other $310 Billion Dollars? Should we not have gone into Iraq? Perhaps, but hindsight always has 20/20 vision. B. Hussein Obama would not do anything to stop Muslim extremists from expanding their power and threatening the US and our allies. He supports the extremist Muslims who are violently warring against non-Muslims in Africa. He wants to appease the Iranians and Venezuelans. He certainly doesn't count them as threats. When Russia invaded Georgia, he said both sides have to show restraint. That is like seeing a street bully beating up a child and saying to the two, please don't fight with each other. COME ON!!! John McCain is not George Bush. Thank the Lord. B. Hussein Obama IS Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. Can you imagine what they'd do to the counrty if they controlled both houses of congress and both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue? Obama wants to redistribute your bank account into the hands of his Muslim friends. He and his buddies, Nancy and Harry, want to be sure we are not energy independent and keep pouring our cash into the coffers of the Sheiks in Saudi Arabia, Dubai, and the immans of Iran. Obama will abandon Israel to Nasrallah and the Hamas terrorists, whom he views as morally equivalent to our ally, Israel. He wants to gut our national defense and nuclear deterrent capacity. Ask him who paid for his private education. Ask him why he allowed a convicted political corrupter to help him buy his home at a price below the market? Ask him why he serves on the Board of the Woods Foundation, which wants to radicalize the public school system, with Bill Ayers, an unrepentant terrorist. ask him why he spent 20 years listening to Jeremiah Wright spew hatred against whites and Jews from his pulpit, as he preached Cone's Black Liberation Theology. Look into Black Liberation Theology, which teaches that a Black Jesus was crucified for trying to foment unrest against the Roman Empire. That is not what the Bible teaches that Jesus was doing. Is john McCain perfect? Absolutely not. He cheated on his wife with a young hot liquor store heiress. OK, but he married her and has stayed with her and raised a family with her for almost 30 years. If something is happening in government that he does not believe in, he will stand up to his own party. When has B. Hussein Obama ever done that? He went back to Washington to deal with a crisis. Did B. Hussein Obama go willingly, or against his will? Did McCain force Bush to make a better deal for the regular guy, or did he give away the store like the Democrats wanted to do? Which guy sucked it up and sacrificed for his country, B. Hussein Obama, or John McCain? Which guy took $900 million in earmarks for his hometown? Which guy is known for fighting against corruption in government? Which guy is known for promoting socialist take overs of private industry? Which guy is in favor of private enterprise? Which guy was trying to destroy Wal-Mart and was involved in corporate campaigns designed to wreck American corporations? Which guy pays his female staffers less than his male staffers? Which guy rejected having a woman on his ticket?

OldGOP

Bones, We need a change an John isn't it. We are in a perilously deep whole one that will take everything we have to dig out of. The war is eating away at our kids and our resources. All your partisan hyperbole only makes it worse. Lets work toward a better America...for godsake.

God Bless America not the other way around

Old gop is a Brain washer, he posted the most here just like all democrats do all over the place because they want to barrage you with the New OBAMA Doll, it walks and talks But it has no substance to it, and definitely does not have the Kung fu grip, thats why when you get your Obama doll at home you will soon realize you should have bought the GI Joe.. Hey Old GOP why dont you get a job or a hobby, walk the dog, do something instead of trying to Brain wash everyone like Obamalites have done you..the republicans will do their talking at the polls..

cubalibre305

ok Americans, no more arguing with Bushista morons on this lame website. volunteer at barackobama.com and let's recapture the cockpit from these clowns.

let's roll. barackobama.com

rickvf

"With the system we have in place now, Reagan would probably have vanished after the first primary."

And Arnold Schwarzenegger can never be governor.

KLynn

I am so tired of this nonsense about Obama/Biden not being in touch with the citizens of this country. When the facts are clear that Mccain didn't even attempt to cross any racial lines in any of his many years in the Capitol. All his gains have been to look superior to them and not give way to anyone who isn't white. Please all you haters of the Democratic Tickets expalin why would anyone be willing to vote for a racist regardless of their to this country.
Time has proven that the Democratic Party has always given of their time and ability to ensure those striving for success have the opporunity. Now those Repo*** bulican have shown covering up the truth is the way to advance over the citizens of this Country. Make the laws to break the same laws there enforcing on us, M.Foley to name a few. If this country want to stop hatery in other counrties why not start here?
To me this country is still the same when a man is being judge by the color of skin when in fact he's the most qualified of the two. Well the time has come for the race issue in this country to end. And for America to show the world we truly practice what we preach.
If not then we go backwards which is sad. Please stand up to the Repo Party and tell them that enough is enough and we are not going to allow them to get rich off of us anymore.

Shane Bolling

I love the name OldGOP-what a fraud you are!!!
They always start off "I never thought I would vote Democratic but...."
Facts are facts-Obama is the most liberal member of the Senate who never saw an earmark he did not like. I thought that Clinton changed his views with every new poll but Obama has this guy beat hands down.
I agree that Bush has been the biggest failure of our lifetimes but voting in an empty suit just does not cut it for me.
Hillary first then McCain....

Mark Dacascos

John McCain and his $100 Millionaire, private jet flying, caviar eating, vintage champagne drinking wife are beyond elitist.

No matter how much he tries to backpedal now, John McCain STILL believes the fundamentals of the economy are strong, because the fundamentals of HIS economy ARE strong.

When he loses the election his ego will be bruised but he will STILL be rich and have 9 homes, 13 cars and a Citation XLS private jet to whisk him off to the Caribbean for some R&R.

michael johnson

Although Obama's tactic might have been to put McCain off, with the eye contact, I thought McCain showed great restraint while listening to the naive youngster crow about how to use the military he seems to despise.

m gallardo

oldgop, again who is Obama really? Who comes out of nowhere with questionable friends and assoc.?
He has dual citizenship with Kenya and or Indo.
Change.... Really!!!

Leonardo Cabañas

First of all, "Barack" showed tremendous disrespect for his opponent by not calling him "Senator McCain". He was arrogant, condescending, misinformed, untruthful (Henry Kissinger corrected his lies today) and no matter how "cool" or politically correct it may be to want to elect a young African-American to the country's highest office, this particular candidate lacks experience, judgment and character and is light years away from being qualified. And with communist mentors and supporters (like terrorist bomber Bill Ayers, Hugo Chavez and the Che-lovers in his Houston campaign office), voting for the Democratic ticket might be the last "hip" thing we do as a free nation.

RICK TRUTH SPEAKER

I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS IN TRAINING AND I WAS ASKED WHAT IS THE MAIN QUALITY I LOOK FOR AND EXPECT FROM A LEADER. I REPLIED" HONESTY. THAT'S WHAT PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS AND THAT'S WHAT AMERICA USED TO WANT. I'M NOT SURE ANYMORE. INSPITE OF THE SLANDER, LIES AND DARK FORCES THAT HAVE TRIED TO STOP HIM . HIS HONESTY HAS STILL PREVAILED. WHILE I DON'T MIND WATCHING GUESSING GAMES. I CANNOT AFFORD A GAME OF GUESSING WHEN IT COMES TO THE PRESIDENCY. THANK GOD. I HAVE A CANDIDATE WHO SPEAKS THE TRUTH. ST. MATTHEW 10:26

Leonardo Cabañas

First of all, "Barack" showed tremendous disrespect for his opponent by not calling him "Senator McCain". He was arrogant, condescending, misinformed, untruthful (Henry Kissinger corrected his lies today) and no matter how "cool" or politically correct it may be to want to elect a young African-American to the country's highest office, this particular candidate lacks experience, judgment and character and is light years away from being qualified. And with communist mentors and supporters (like terrorist bomber Bill Ayers, Hugo Chavez and the Che-lovers in his Houston campaign office), voting for the Democratic ticket might be the last "hip" thing we do as a free nation. http://www.cafepress.com/Who_Is_Obama

RICK TRUTH SPEAKER

I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS IN TRAINING AND I WAS ASKED WHAT IS THE MAIN QUALITY I LOOK FOR AND EXPECT FROM A LEADER. I REPLIED" HONESTY. THAT'S WHAT PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS AND THAT'S WHAT AMERICA USED TO WANT. I'M NOT SURE ANYMORE. INSPITE OF THE SLANDER, LIES AND DARK FORCES THAT HAVE TRIED TO STOP HIM . HIS HONESTY HAS STILL PREVAILED. WHILE I DON'T MIND WATCHING GUESSING GAMES. I CANNOT AFFORD A GAME OF GUESSING WHEN IT COMES TO THE PRESIDENCY. THANK GOD. I HAVE A CANDIDATE WHO SPEAKS THE TRUTH. ST. MATTHEW 10:26

roswell

Really all some of you idiots got out of that debate was the Obama called McCain John instead of Senator McCain and that McCain didn't look at Obama.

What a bunch of sheep. Put you Ipods back on and continue to stick your heads in the sand.

bones327

Dear OldGOP,

I offer no hyperbole, only facts. If you don't like facts, you can indulge in your fairy tale all day long. Name one thing I said in my memo that was untrue. I know that you won't be able to identify a single one, because I have researched every one of the facts stated.

I want to work for a better America, too. No one has handed me anything. I have struggled my whole life to make my small business profitable enough to feed and house my wife and kids. This year or next, I might even pass the $250K mark. B. Hussein Obama wants to take what I have been struggling for to obtain for over 25 years and give it to Muslims promoting Shariia law in Africa. I don't think so. Not if I have anything to say about it.

He has surrounded himself with Jimmy Carter's advisors. Do we want another Jimmy Carter administration? (I voted for him, too, once.) Wasn't once enough? Carter brought us hostage crises and Iran's Revolutionary Guard. Obama/Carter wants Israel to give up "land for peace." However, all that has gotten Israel is less land and no peace.

Did Obama try to appease the Russians over Georgia, or not? (He did.)

Are all of Obama's relatives in Kenya Muslims or not? (They are.)

Did Obama support his cousin, Odinga for the Presidency of Kenya or not? (He did.)

When Odinga lost, did his people burn a whole church of Christian men, women and children or not? (They did.) Did Obama condemn his cousin and his followers or not? (He did not.)

Did Obama promise to unilaterally destroy our nation's nuclear weapons? (He did.)

Did Obama say he would sit down with the leaders of Iran, Syria and Venezuela WITHOUT PRECONDITIONS? He did and his comrades who were running against him, including Joe Biden, for the Democratic Nomination excoriated him.

Does Obama pay his female staffers less than he pays his male staffers? He does.

Did Obama pick the female candidate who garnered the most votes in the primaries as his running mate? No he did not.

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