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Finding a QB is more important than victories

Back from vacation and I'm actually spending some time thinking about the Dolphins again.

It dawned on me this morning that Miami should have one (1) all-encompassing, all-important, undeniable priority this season. And that priority, believe it or not, is not winning games.

I would argue that finding a quarterback is Miami's most important task in 2008. I don't care if the team is 1-15 or 9-7. Regardless of the record, if the Dolphins come out of the season knowing they have identified the QB that will lead them the next 5-10 years, it will have been a successful season.

On the other hand, if the team improvement is considerable in other areas, resulting in a 9-7 record, but the quarterback situation is still unresolved at the end of the season, my take would be that the Dolphins didn't progress in the most important area.

I understand, of course, that normally the success of the team is tied to the success of the QB. But the Dolphins have pretty much been the exception in that regard. The team was 9-7 in 2005 but we all knew Gus Frerotte was not the answer. Miami also went to the playoffs in 2000 and 2001 but I don't think anyone fancied Jay Fiedler as a guy the team could ride to Super Bowl glory.

I would feel pretty good about this team if sometime during the season either John Beck or Chad Henne or even Josh McCown takes hold of the starting job and shows himself to be the long-term answer. Even if the record is not great, it gives hope that another draft filled with early picks can improve the remainder of the team.

On the other hand, having a good record at the end of 2008 but no quarterback would leave the Dolphins uncertain at the most important position on the field and in a situation where they might have to invest more resources -- either through a trade, or free agency or the draft -- to upgrade the position.

Do you disagree or agree with me?

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Agree 100% - it's been quite a while since we had a QB in Miami. Personally, I hope John Beck takes charge and shows he's the QB. I'm not sure McCown will ever be more than a backup, and Henne is too green (no pun intended). NO FAVRE!

I agree with you 100%. This franchise has been looking in the rearview mirror ever since Marino said good-bye. Even though they flirted with the playoffs a few times, the team needs to develop a new foundation that was once built by Marino. Beck or Henne need to understand this and step up and try to take the job. No disrespect to McCown, but he could not get it done with two other teams. Nothing is going to change. Step up Beck or Henne. The Dolphins need a leader.
NO FAVRE!!!!!!

It's all about the QB. And, frankly, it's all about John Beck. McCown is never going to be even a top 25 quarterback in this league. Henne is a rookie and frankly, does not impress. If John Beck is the real deal, then we are set. If he is not, we are on another 5 year plan. . . . .

i would start Mc for the first 4 games,replace him w/Beck...if he fs up then Henne for the last 4-6 games...we NEED 2 KNOW if its Beck or Henne by seasons end...

As far as the Dolphins longterm starter goes, Josh McCown shouldn't even be in the conversation. He's had more than enough time to establish himself, and has failed to do it. He's a backup quarterback and nothing more. The future lies with either John Beck or Chad Henne.

If we wind up with let's say a 4-12 record, but Chad Henne establishes himself as the starter going forward, I think you can call 2008 a successful season.

agreed, however I disagree that if we have a season over .500 the season is still a failure. Even though QB is the most important area, for a team with so much unceartanty and question marks to emerge with a winning record would show that we have a good base for a QB to develop in. Their would be no more "its not the QB's fault cause the o-line was bad" or "to many injuries caused it". I also think if we emerge with a winning record we might have solved our QB problem already (atleast for the short term)

I also don't think we'll be seeing much of Henne this year, and if we do everyone will be hating on him for his inexpierenced performance even though hes a rookie

I agree with you dude. For evidence, look at the Bears. They made the Super Bowl but lost and were back to the drawing the next year because they didn't have security at the quarterback position. The moral of that story that the Dolphins need to learn is that you could possibly make the Super Bowl if every other position is excellent, but you will not sustain success without a solid quarterback.

Also, I'm an agreement with other people posting on here when they say NO FAVRE!!

On the other hand, if the team improvement is considerable in other areas, resulting in a 9-7 record, but the quarterback situation is still unresolved at the end of the season, my take would be that the Dolphins didn't progress in the most important area.


Armando, this comment is a little redundant, don't you think? Why didn't you just say that my take would be that:

On the other hand, if the team improvement is considerable in other areas, resulting in a 9-7 record, but the quarterback situation is still unresolved at the end of the season, my take would be that quarterback situation is still unresolved at the end of the season,
because its the same thing.


just think about the past superbowl winners with the exception of baltimore who could of won at qb with anyone being back there, of all the recent superbowl winners the team who won had a solid qb and he proved to be "their guy"

Well, that doesn't make any sense at all. If you go 1-15, I can assure you that you don't have the quarterback you want. If they go undefeated, they probably found their guy. I don't think you go 1-15 and come away certain of who your quarterback is. The only thing you'd know is that whoever your guy is, you don't have him.

I think Team Tuna already knows whether or not they have their quarterback. I think what they have for now is the best they could get right now and they have to play the cards they're dealt.

You don't evaluate players by win-loss record. It's not like if they go 9-7 because of the running game, but are terrible in the passing game, they'll shelve their plans to upgrade the QB position. So there really is no sense at all in throwing away the season unless you're after draft position. And if they threw in the towel on the season to get the No. 1 pick, I don't think the NFL would be happy.

They'll play the games as best they can and that makes sense. If they have a chance to draft or sign a top prospect, they probably will. If the coaches are anywhere near good, they'll know whether they have guys they can work with and if they get a chance to upgrade, they will. That's what good coaches and good teams do. If we haven't done that in the past, it's been because our coaches weren't any good.

But I don't see how winning games and finding your quarterback are mutually exclusive concepts. And if the concept that the Dolphins' No.1 priority is quarterback just "dawned" on you, you should probably quit your job. Everyone else that follows this team knew that about five years ago.

Sorry, your blog post doesn't make any sense.

I must agree that for the long term good of the franchise, finding our now and future QB is the most important thing.

Unfortunately, I think that will prove difficult. One of these three may grab the job and show that they are the man, but that would be the exception to how these things normally go. Even if Beck (or McCown, or Henne) is the long term answer, he may not show it definitively this year. Most likely it will be a bag of mixed reviews.

How do you think most people viewed Eli Manning coming into this year? Even top prospects can take a few years to hit their stride.

With luck, Beck will grab this job from day one so we can at least see what he does as a full-time starter. But unless he is totally great or absolutely terrible, we won't know for sure about him. Hell, even if he is terrible we still might not know. But at least if he starts the whole year, we can know that what we see the following season is close to the truth.

And if we are to look at how Parcells ran things at his other stops, McCown looks like he'll be the starter. I think he has a real chance to do so, and he's barely older than Beck. Looking at the teams he's played on, he is something of an enigma as well.

I agree. A football team without a good quarterback is like a sailing ship without the sails. Oh, sure you can float...you can drift along with the current...why you might even be able to row it; but if you really want to get somewhere you need the sails!
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I also agree we need a qb more than we need to win this year.

When I left Miami in Sept. 1983 the last game was Marino's first, and I didn't care that we lost to the Bills, because I knew the future was bright. This could be the same situation if we come out of this season with a franchise qb.

The Cowpokes went 1-15 with a certain Troy Aikman at QB, Mr. Muddles.... just sayin'.

The Cowpokes went 1-15 with a certain Troy Aikman at QB, Mr. Muddles.... just sayin'.

The Cowpokes went 1-15 with a certain Troy Aikman at QB, Mr. Muddles.... just sayin'.

The Cowpokes went 1-15 with a certain Troy Aikman at QB, Mr. Muddles.... just sayin'.

I agree that finding our Qb is of the upmost importance but going 3 and 13 or something would be awful, and evidence that everything around us is in much needed help........
this franchise or any can't afford to be atop of the draft board for too many years, the contracts that these kids get does not allow for you to build a team. BALANCE IS WHAT IS NEEDED !!!!!!
Carson Palmer, good QB = TEAM SUCKS
Dan Marino, hall of famer = couldnt win mierda !
1 N 15 and proof of a good QB, not really positive Armando !

I agree that finding our Qb is of the upmost importance but going 3 and 13 or something would be awful, and evidence that everything around us is in much needed help........
this franchise or any can't afford to be atop of the draft board for too many years, the contracts that these kids get does not allow for you to build a team. BALANCE IS WHAT IS NEEDED !!!!!!
Carson Palmer, good QB = TEAM SUCKS
Dan Marino, hall of famer = couldnt win mierda !
1 N 15 and proof of a good QB, not really positive Armando !

Yeah, agreed. But Jimmy Johnson knew that was his guy. That's my point exactly. They don't judge these things by win-loss records. The coaches watch these guys all day long, they know if they're good or not.

But if you're 1-15, chances are you don't have your guy. In fact, you're probably missing a lot of guys. If you're undefeated, well, you've probably got a pretty good line up.

Aikman was a first overall pick on a team that was in full-out rebuilding mode. But they knew he was a good player, even if that team played bad.

And if the Bears played well, we all know it was in spite or Rex Grossman. Aikman stayed, despite the losing record because the coaches knew he was good. Grossman will be replaced, despite the playoff appearance.

The coaches might well have already made their decisions. But these are the guys they have for now, and they don't have a choice but to play with them. And if you're a coach that's worth anything, you play to win.

Regardless of their record, if the QBs play bad, they'll be replaced. I don't know what connection Salguero is trying to make between records and players, but it's half-baked.

They'll play to win with what they have. They should. And they'll get better players if the options become available. They should.

And no matter what they tell you about being comfortable with the group they have, what they really mean is "This is the best we could do given the circumstances." Do we have an "answer" at quarterback? If we did it would have been announced by now.

It's like they used to say: If you've got two running backs, it really means you have none.

If we had Tom Brady at Q, I don't think we'd be talking about competition. The simple fact that we are having that discussion is proof they don't have "the guy" yet. If a top prospect falls to us, I don't expect this staff to pass on him like Scam Cameron did.

As I've been saying to anyone who'll listen, Parcells and crew's immediate task at hand is rebuilding the entire team, not just the quarterback position. That's why I fully expect Josh McCown to win the QB job in camp. While McCown might not be the long-term answer, he will provide the consistency that the coaching staff will need in order to evaluate and make improvements to the rest of the offense. The good news is that, barring injuries, the offensive foundation (line, TEs, and backs) should have solidified itself by mid-October. At which point, I think that Henne and Beck will get their occasional chances to showcase their wares.

Mr Muddle,

"If you go 1-15, I can assure you that you don't have the quarterback you want." To say "I can assure you" might be a bit of a stretch. Ever heard of a guy named Troy Aikman? If memory serves correctly, they were 1-15 his first year. I could be wrong on the stat, they might have been 3-13. But the point is, sometimes there are good individual players stuck on really bad teams . . . they have to be judged individually, in the case of QB on such things as making the correct read, mental toughness, leadership ability, arm strength, etc. But the qualities that make a QB a 'winner' aren't always reflected immediately in the W column.

I for one agree with you Mando. If we go thru this season and do not identify a solid QB for the future then we may be in for a world of hurt next season. I happen to like our current situation at QB only because they are all young and hungry to play football and prove their worth. Beck didnt have a chance playing behind a terrible O-line last year so he should ready to step it up with a much improved line this year. McCown has had to deal with poor teams and he actually showed potential on a very bad Raider team last year. I believe that McCown will be the starter barring injury for the opener. Henne needs to be groomed much like Romo was. Give the kid time to develope and play him when he is ready. I feel for Beck beause he has talent but is not a trifecta guy so his chances are not looking good.
Side bar- Lets all drop the whole Farve to miami bid. (Not happeneing) Why would he want to come here? Why would the trifecta want him here during a "rebuilding" process in which they need to develope a QB for the future?

I like the direction the club is headed and I am excited to watch these guys play this year. I would be content with finding a solid QB even if we end up with a losing record.

Mando any news on Bentley? Heard Miami was inetersted weeks ago but nothing else has been said. One more question.

Should Miami take a look at WR C. Henrym(if reinstated)? I know he is a knucklehead but the boy can flat out play and lets be honest our WR's suck!

If they go 1-15, they will definitely find that QB with the first pick in next year's draft.

His name... Tim Tebow

This crew will have a good read on the QB situation by season's end. We should have done this last yr and would have if Cameron weren't so afraid of losing his job. This crew doesn't have to worry about that. But I don't totally agree that record is irrelevant if we don't have the QB dilemma resolved b/c they still have to build a team and there are numerous holes. The fact is, the entire season will be an 'extended training camp' in a sense with a 20-game schedule.

Mark Rypkin. Doug Williams. Trent Dilfer. Jeff Hostetler. Jim McMahon. Brad Johnson. Franchise QB's? No, not one of them. Then how did they win superbowls? They stayed within the system, throwing checkdowns and screens (with the exception of Rypkin, who did have 1 GREAT year.) They were all lucky enough to play on a team with a great defense and running game. Marcus Allen, Walter Peyton, Jamal Lewis, and the Bears, Bucs, and Ravens Defenses. Many of the aforementioned QB's were gone from the team just a couple years after winning the Superbowl because they weren't that good. I disagree, Mr Armando. If 2008 is a step towards ball control, smash mouth, scare the dingleberries off anyone who plays us type football, then it's NOT a waste regardless of who the QB is. Teams like that have a "plug and play" mentatllity to the QB. GO PHINS!!!!!!!!!!!

QB is our priority and its the trifecta's as well. Parcells has said it will take 3 years to get the system going for just this reason. He doesn't care about this year. He cares about foundation this year and QB. Next year add D-backs and WRs and 3rd year fill in whatever might be needed to make the next step. After that its time to win

Tebow would mean another very bad season lol. I'm sure he will be a top 5 pick unless injury or complete 180 on his part. C. Henry is a POS and we don't need him. We will get a top guy either next year or 3rd but this year doesn't matter.

I am Pulling for beck. As far as the guy at QB thinking. You have a point, but I do not entirly agree with you. Thewre have been plenty of system QB's that obtaind greatness. There have also been manger type QB's to with the SB. There has to be leadership but we do not need the second coming of Marino or Elway.

For the "no Farve" poster's (I see the all caps). I realize that Farve and Miami are at the wrong stages or their rebulding and career to be any kind of benifit to each other. So it is not a good option, but I love to watch Farve play.

Moddle, I see your reply to an earlier poster and your reasoning is good. Just didn't want you to overstate it.

Also, good stuff, Athos. QB is certainly very important, but football is a team sport and you presented the counterpoint well.

Oops, that should have been "Muddle"

I agree, Armando. It's important that we establish me..er a young quarterback taken high in the draft. With me..or a young quarterback leading the team it will give the team someone to rally around for the next decade.

I'm hopefull that Beck can step up and take the job. He has a big arm, and comes from an intellegent quarterback college. Henne next in line with lots of learning and adjustment over the coming two or more seasons, could be even better with time. He needs to practice,watch and listen for now. McCown,, well if someone is hurt, he could be another Cleo Lemon. Adequate, but not the real deal.

If the franchise qb doesn't fall in your lap, you will never find him. We could pick 1st for the next 10 years and not get the right guy but find him at 86 in the third round. You might miss the best back ever or the best pass rusher ever for a lazy slug. Was Dan a great player without that line that stood in front of him? sure but they game him 3-4 seconds and that is all he needed. With Dan in his prime that team might have one 3 games last year.

Football is the ultimate team game. You simply can't do it with one man. The great ones have a way of making things happen but for the most part it is great individual efforts at crucial points in a game will determine the outcome. That includes great plays on both sides of the ball.

Controlling the clock with defense, running the ball and short passing has historically won more games. It ain't pretty but that is how it is done on a consistent basis.

By the way 9-7 is a dream this year. 5 wins tops. Not too bad considering the youth. But that gives us a high draft pick at 4-6.

It ain't brain science -- best single thing that could happen this season is to find out whether or not we have a franchise QB in the stable (and it ain't Josh, we most likely will find out one way or the other on Beck, and probably won't know either way about Henne in 2008).

At the same time, lots else to figure out. Record comes third, fouth, sixth...however you want to lump them.

But at least we finally seem to have some guys with a plan who are trying to figure it out for the long-term.

The Dolphins should initiate litigation to undo the 2007 draft on the grounds that Cam Cameron was non compos mentis. The league would have to make Brady Quinn available for "re"-drafting upon the lawsuit's success, and the Dolphins would then have to decide whether to let Ginn (& his family) enter a supplemental draft. A simple solution for a complex problem.

Athos, the problem with the system you mention is, how many SBs did these teams win after they got rid of these QBs? Parcells Giants were a system team and Simms was a key cog. The Patriots have a system and so did the Dallas 90s team. You can have the stars align and win a SB without a franchise QB. Then you can wait years hoping for lightning to strike twice.

Or you could be like Indy, NE, and San Diego and have the francise QB who gives you the chance every year to go for the gold. I much prefer the latter option. You do need a francise QB to keep having the chance for a SB. I prefer to have a Payton Manning because the chances are much higher to win.

Its like the lottery. If you buy one ticket you have a chance but you have a greater chance if you buy 5. Dynasties are so much better than the lucky one year wonders.

You don't need a great quarterback to win superbowls. Does anyone know about a guy named Trent Dilfer?

the consensus seems to be that fans want the dolphins to tank so that we could draft tim tebow. lol. i like tebow but he isn't coming out next year.

Tim Tebow fears Chad Henne.

Another lame post. You make it sound as if its an either or proposition. Unless you are inferring that the Fins should not look to win games by adding Favre, but since you never mentioned his name I guess that is not your point. Of course the Fins want to identify who will be their guy for the next 10 years, and of course they want to win as many games as they can this year.

I really don't get your point.

Armando please write slower for this MJZ guy so he can understand. Advice to MJZ: Try to get your GED from third grade.

So many of you are missing the point of this year's acquisitions. I have listened to Dolphans Kvetch every single year since Marino retired about how horrible the QB is, and how we need to get rid of whoever it was, completely ignoring the fact that the pieces to make a QB successful had slowly dwindled away, starting about five years before Marino retired, to last year's debacle. The first thing the Trifecta did was to rebuild the lines in the hopes of A) Keeping the QB on his feet for longer than 1.5 seconds, and B) cause more third, and long situations on D, giving us a chance at better field position to start drives.

Everyone wants to say that Dilfer wasn't a great QB, but I remember some pretty special throws, and remember that he LED his team to the SB. If any QB could have done that, TONY BANKS would have never given up his job. Everyone discounts Dilfer's contributions to that team, but they don't win without him. Ask Elvis Grbac. I think the Ravens could have won the next year, maybe two had they not ditched Dilfer for Grbac.

I am encouraged by those pulling for Beck. I too believe he is the real deal, despite all the Quinn heads that are still milking that loser's twig, and those who can't see that Beck was put in a no win situation last year, and is being blamed for the sins of the previous regime. I mean, how DARE he not win every game, as a Rookie, with no line, no RB, no TE, and no D, in six inch deep mud? It MUST be all his fault.

No. The Dolphin's main priority, as it should be every season, should be winning a championship. Not that they will, but as a season ticket holder to the Fins and Ravens, I can see the influence that Marino has had on this town and its desperation for a name-brand QB. Contrast that with the Ravens, who came out of nowhere in 2000, winning their last 10 games or so only making field goals to get a wildcard berth and earning an improbable championship. Dilfer is still revered by a fairly large portion of the Raven's fanbase, as would Frerotte or Fiedler had they come into such good fortunes.

Many successful QBs are caretakers in an offense that is built around the run. Parcells even won a Super Bowl with Jeff Hostetler handing off to OJ Anderson. There is no reason why McCown or even Beck can't be successful so long as the team around them are up to it. Very few teams have a QB that carries them.

Blogs like these remind me days when we passed over Drew Brees for Jamar Fletcher.

Disagree with you, Armando. You and everybody else that says QB is "the most important position on the field". Lots of things need to go right for the qb to be succesful. The most important parts of ANY football team are the offensive and defensive lines...PERIOD!

I agree wtih you, however, it will take a couple of years to develop a consistent quaterback. Having a 9 and 7 record is not a bad(Anything more than one win is still an improvement), I just want the Miami Dolphins to be able to compete. I live in GA and I want to be able watch the Dolphins for the enitre season, not until October and with only two wins underneath their belts and positioning themselves for the 2009 draft. The QB position is the most important position on the team and if one of the three can take control of that position, then I believe success is around the corner.

While I agree with this completely, I doubt it will be that clear by the end of this season. In my opinion, it will be John Beck starting this year. McCown is only here to step in if needed. And while I think that Beck will eventually grow into a good QB, he isn't the franchise QB. Parcells and Co. are hoping its Henne, and as a result Henne will never see the field this year unless both McCown and Beck are injured or playing extremely poorly.

And while I agree with the sentiment that the QB situation needs to be resolved, remember that Tony Romo spent quite some time at the bottom of the Cowboys depth chart. What we want and whats really better for the team isn't always the same thing.

I don't agree. The offense(and QB) will be the last thing to jell. Miami needs the following to happen this year.
1) Running game to be solid.
2) Pass rush to show promise.
3) Kicking game to improve.
Finding a good quarterback without these will only frustrate the situation. i.e. another Dan Marino in his later years type team.

While I agree QB is very important, I believe many games and super bowls are determined in the trenches. good offensive and defensive lines go along way. good offensive line keeps you on the field, moving chains, and your qb safe. a good d-line gets to the qb, rattles the opposing offense's timing/flow and makes your lb and db corps look much better. we had one of if not the best passers of all time in Dan Marino and we went to only one SB and what two afc championship games?

I am not totally disagreeing with you I just simply believe that developing the lines is equally as important as establishing a qb at this point.

Chad Henne is the Fins QB period. Barring injury neither Beck nor McCown have a chane to start. Henne became the starter at Michigan in his first game as a freshman. Since then he has starred in more games on national tv and in front of 100,000+ stadiums than any other college qb ever. He was ranked in the top 25 more times than any other qb ever. He beat more ranked teams than any other qb ever. We have a QB.

I'm so tired of hearing about miami having a quarterback situation. Its old. We have two 2nd round draft picks that need to be given a chance to prove themselves. And last time i checked 1st/2nd year quarterbacks aren't known for coming in the league and being great. Eli manning was terrible his first couple. so give it a break. Last time i checked there were 11 players on the field. If the quaterback has no line i don't care who he is. Do you see how much time Tom Brady has back there. Can we say days!

I'm so tired of hearing about miami having a quarterback situation. Its old. We have two 2nd round draft picks that need to be given a chance to prove themselves. And last time i checked 1st/2nd year quarterbacks aren't known for coming in the league and being great. Eli manning was terrible his first couple. so give it a break. Last time i checked there were 11 players on the field. If the quaterback has no line i don't care who he is. Do you see how much time Tom Brady has back there. Can we say days!

Tree2691,
I agree with you. I am also encouraged by those pulling for Beck. I too believe he is the real deal, despite all the Quinn heads...

We saw him twice last year. In Philly under poor conditions, I thought he looked like a leader. Against Cincy in the last game, we saw his fumble up close and this was his first chance to play after the Buffalo nightmare. We were thinking -- how is he ever going to come back from that. And then he directed two drives with that crappy offense. We were thinking he can recover and with a good team, he can be a very good QB, that he needs some time and a OLine. He has had some time now, lets hope he has the Oline.

I think Beck can be a leader and there are some super fun possibilities, if that OLine is really improved. IMHO. give Beck 3+ seconds on most pass plays and he will be smart accurate and a low turnover guy.

On the win or find a QB blog, if we find one, we will win. If Beck arlready is ready (and given a MUCH better OLine), we will have a better year than 4 - 12.

NO FARVE please!!!

"And if they threw in the towel on the season to get the No. 1 pick, I don't think the NFL would be happy."

I hate to re-hash, but, it seems as though this is exactly what we did last year. Say what you will, but, there is no WR on the roster better than Chambers (or Welker for that matter), no TE better than McMichael, no S at the time better than Darius when we cut him.

I could go on, but, it seems pretty obvious we threw the towel in on last season...

Personally I don't care what the record is, as long as they come to play. Hit, Hit, Hit. Everyone was talkin' S**T last year when Jason Allen was celebrating after he cold-cocked a reciever, but, that's the intensity we were lacking all year. Poor arm tackling and missed tackles. If they just go give it their all, truckin' over LB's and knockin' their opposition senseless I'll be content.

I have nothing to say about the QB deal, cause it's been the same thing for the past decade

I think you're one of the least informed sports writers in the field! It doesn't take a Super Quarterback to make the Superbowl! Look at Dilfer, Namath, Griese, and even Eli. Many Superbowl winning teams had mediocre QB's, this ridiculous "search for the next Marino" is just media HYPE!

Now I am not 100% against a Favre coming, however I defer until the last possible moment, Yes Beck or Henne is the future , are they ready? who knows. My point is if preseason approaches & they look horrible OR Beck looks great again in preseason, & dissapoints b/c of the reason last yr" THe game was too fast" then 1 yr under Favre may not be bad if available. On the flip side teh running game & newly beefed up o-line should relieve some pressure form these guys. Personally I like beck, acurate, smart, decent arm, kinda Gutsy even tho he is from BYU. I would like to see him succeed, but the jury is still out

Grothe will have a better year than Tebow. Yes folks you heard it here!

I personally don't think the three guys we have are particularly good leaders. Henne is unproven so no one will follow him automatically, Beck is more or less the same. McCown is a journeyman, but I won't hold that against him, lots of QBs have been in his situation and stepped up. But he's had several opportunities to prove himself, and hasn't so far.

I hope to be proven wrong this season, but as wacky as the idea mentioned here of drafting a Tebow or similar talent (there were a couple of QBs in this years draft I would've gladly taken before Henne), if we are in the top 5 pickers next year, I would consider it a good option. I am predicting we will draft a WR with our first rounder tho.

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