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News and notes following Jason Taylor trade

Clearing out the notebook of things I have been told and have witnessed:

1. Dolphins football czar Bill Parcells likes to make the point that he is neither the Dolphins coach nor general manager. Not his job, he says. Tony Sparano is the coach and Jeff Ireland is the GM. And while Parcells isn't actually going to be on the sideline coaching, he definitely is serving as GM, casting an immense shadow over Ireland.

When it came time to make the decisions on the Jason Taylor deal this week, it was Parcells making the call. When Redskins executive Vinny Cerrato went looking for a defensive end to replace Phillip Daniels, he called Parcells not Ireland. He negotiated with Parcells, not Ireland.

"We went out to practice at 3 p.m., and I talked to Bill Parcells probably like three times on the practice field, back and forth," Cerrato told ESPN radio on Monday. "We went and discussed some different terms, we came in after practice, talked to 3 or 4 of the veterans players, and asked them what they thought, what type of guy and everything Taylor is and they said great guy. Everything was positive. I called Parcells back around 6:15 and told him, we'll do the deal. We faxed papers back and forth, got Jason Taylor on the phone and we were done."

According to Peter King of Sports Illustrated, Parcells was so in charge of the deal, he even told Cerrato: "All right, I'll fax you the paperwork. It's done."

I don't think any of us should have a problem with any of this. I think everyone can agree Parcells has a reputation that Ireland doesn't yet have and his experience also trumps the young GM's experience. But let's drop the pretenses, shall we?

The Dolphins, for whatever reason, continue to insist that Parcells is a shadow contributor while Ireland is the decision-maker. When the team finally got around to confirming the trade the entire Western Hemisphere knew had been made hours earlier, they released quotes from Wayne Huizenga and Ireland. I can understand Huizenga's statement was necessary because the owner has a history with Taylor, a long-time contributor. But if teams are speaking almost exclusively to Parcells, if the rest of the NFL understand Parcells is running the show, don't Miami fans deserve to hear from him?

Everyone knows Parcells is the ultimate decision-maker, deal-maker, and lord of all football realms in Miami. Teams around the league have no problem acknowledging it. Wish the Dolphins would.

2. As I reported yesterday, the Dolphins were involved with a couple of teams on the Taylor front. New Orleans and the Giants were involved with Miami in some talks and it should come as no surprise those two teams made a trade today, sending tight end Jeremy Shockey to New Orleans for multiple draft picks.

Apparently, New Orleans coach Sean Payton was so eager to get Shockey, he tried to involve the Dolphins in a three-way deal with New York. The Saints would get Shockey, the Giants would have gotten Jason Taylor and the Dolphins woul have gotten draft picks.

I cannot confirm how far those talks went (not far enough, apparently) but one source tells me earlier this offseason the Giants and Dolphins were talking about making a Shockey for Taylor deal. That conversation obviously didn't go very far either, but geez, doesn't that deal sound a whole lot more palatable for Miami than what it eventually got for Taylor?

Shockey for Taylor? Maybe I'm showing my love for The U -- yeah I've got a Miami license plate on one of my cars -- but I would have loved this trade. A 27-year-old Pro Bowl tight end trumps a 2009 second round pick any day in my book. And a 27-year-old Pro Bowl tight end for a 33-year-old defensive end sounds like a good deal for Miami.

But I guess the Dolphins (Parcells) decided he didn't want the New York malcontent coming to his Miami team and possibly, you know, ruining the great offensive chemistry the Dolphins already have in their passing game. Plus why would anyone want to upgrade over David Martin?

I understand the minuses of getting Shockey, but I see a lot on the plus side that the future draft pick doesn't offer.

3. Anybody notice how everyone in this whole JT saga pretty much lost credibility with things they said?

Parcells in March: "The only way Jason Taylor does not play for the Dolphins is if he retires. The team is not going to trade him."

Taylor in June: "I told the Dolphins my intentions from Day One. My intentions are to play one more year."

Um, in case you haven't noticed, Taylor was traded Sunday contrary to what Parcells said. And Taylor immediately told the Redskins he would be happy to play out the remaining two years of his current contract and left open the possibility of signing a new deal after that.

4. Taylor had not talked to former Miami teammate, brother-in-law and new rival Zach Thomas as of Monday afternoon. "I'll see Zach in a different way now," Taylor said at his press conference Monday afternoon. "He made me a better player over the years. But now he's with the Cowboys and those aren't good words around here."

5. Taylor, who reads this blog religiously and was upset with moi when I suggested he lied danced around requesting a trade, is concerned about his legacy with Miami fans.

"You always worry about perception because sometimes it can become reality for some people," Taylor said. "When the media starts to paint a picture a certain way, you can't address everything. There are so many blogs and writers out now that you can't address everything. And sometimes the perception becomes so big that it disappoints you. And sometimes you have to look at the body of work. He's done this for so long and this is the kind of guy he is. He's done it this way, week in and week out and year in and year out so we have to give him the benefit of the doubt. Because you can't address everything."

5. The Dolphins get a very nice cap relief after trading Taylor. The just cleared something on the order of $7-7.5 million. That means they have approximately $21 million under the cap. Now they can go out and shop aggressively in free agency ... or not.

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Told you guys so.

Go back and read my two main points on JT since the debacle. As a DC native I said, the best chance was to fleece Dan Snyder (with 2 years left on an aging vet who is gradually making football a non priority), I think they did. Up here they call him Snyder the ATM after the huge signing bonuses they give (ex. 13 mil to Lav. Coles a few yrs back - when the nearest competion was 3 mil).. so good for the Fins on that point. I had Shockey going to Miami in every post for a week back in June when he was crying for out of NY. Although I thought it would happen, I'm glad we got the 2nd rder for JT instead... now without a unitard wrearing prancer who is too light and gets dominated in the 4th qtr, Parcells can treat these young kids like Drill Instructor Hartman in Full Metal Jacket and change the mindset/culture of these perennial losers and make them a team we can be proud of come Dec-Feb. Might take a few years but dammit I'm stoked.

Jason is taking this very hard. He is crying inconsolably. Lets all keep him in our prayers to Allah. Donations to make him feel better can be made to Chucky Cheeses, Toys R Us or Young Misses Plus Sizes. With enough contributions and your help we plan to throw him a party, get him a doll and a tutu.
Have a blessed day.

LaTonisha- Jason is not crying inconsolably.. he is just taking this one day at a time, and doing the task at hand. He is focused on football right now, and finding a place for his family to reside. He is just being a good football player, and provider right now.

Wow this blog has blown up this week, I can't even get through all the comments, so I know I'm missing some good ones and the usual bad ones as well, so forgive me if I'm repeating anything.

While I think talking about trades that were never going to happen or players we did or didn't get is a huge waste of time and energy, I don't agree with the people who then waste even more time and energy to post comments bashing the author and each other.

Sometimes this blog sounds like the 'dolfans' vs. the 'fans of writing criticisms'.

I really wish I didn't have to scan through thirty comments of "you're an idiot", "such a homer", and DN's posting of the entire article in his comment just so he could type 'no' after each paragraph.

Plus if you've posted ten comments already about how you think JT is a jerk, do you really need to keep posting it in every article? Can't you get over it?

Tinshaker- I agree, if you have posted once that JT is a jerk, I think we get your point.. The Dolphins are going to keep getting better with time, and JT is going to do his best at the Redskins.. that is all you can ask for

to DN

Don't for a moment forget who wanted the trade. it was jt's DEMAND that he still denies.

BP wanted to keep him or why else would tony and jeff talked to him and why would they go to his charity dinner. management did their part and jt could not do anything but try to get personal media attention to the disdaun of management.

when a realistic trade (not shock me or brett) they bid jason's wishes to prevent a one man wrecking crew in the locker room.

did you watch any mini-camp video or the transcripts? everyone on the team that was in mini-camp and in the off season conditioning program were VERY positive.

why infect this effort. he wanted out not the other way around. he got half of his wish. he didn't go to a contender. so jt is now just a pretender.

i am still put off about his lame comment about not talking to Zack yet as he is now a BAD SUBJECT !! no class at all-jt.

now do u see what we would have to had dealt with?? management got the message & now so did jason taylor, ex-dolfin. he can play his head games somewhere else.

JT is a selfish jerk Auntie. Be sure to relay to him that we won't be buying his "damage control" or tickets to his B movies. He's nothing but a two faced prima donna wannabe.

It's amazing you guys can read because you definitely don't do your NFL research.

The one reason Shockey was not happy in NY is because Coughlin went to the media about him -- not because they weren't throwing him the ball.

When he was in the games, his pass-catching was down because the Giants were using him as a blocker. Know why? He's a GREAT blocker you morons that think he is not.

Finally, those of you saying he gets hurt probably haven't noticed but Ronnie Brown has never finished a season. Yeremiah Bell has missed more seasons (3) than he has completed. Justin Smiley has an injury history, so does Jason Ferguson. Fasano? He was injured most of last year and can't hold Shockey's jock. Steve McKinney still is not healthy after missing all of last year.

If you're going to say Shockey shouldn't be on the team because he's been hurt, then why did the team add/sign/keep those guys I just mentioned?

Seriously, learn something before you post.

harricane, if you get a new job, do you have a policy that you have to call your in-laws and tell them within 12 hours? What is your hang-up on JT not having had time during his meetings, press conferences and packing to talk to his in-law who is on another team in another time zone who also is busy with training camp?
So when he did call him probably two minutes after this interview, does that mean he still has no class. Plus it's been all over the news, I'm sure Zach knows about it and has he called JT? Does that mean Zach is a jerk too?

Grow up!

Rebuild with youth-

Normally, I don't do this, because I know the real Jason, not the Jason the media protrays him to be, but I am sick of it.

OK how can the man be a selfish jerk if he started the Jason Taylor Foundation to help children in South Florida? Yes, he does sound like a jerk for doing that.

How is he a jerk if he has said that he wanted to finish his football carrer with the Dolphins? He LOVES the Dolphins, and wishes them nothing but the best. That "feud" with Bill Parcells was totally blown out of proportion by the Media...There was never a feud, Bill did what he had to do for his team, and Jason understands, and respects that.

And At the moment, Jason is concentrating on football, not his(as you call it) damage control, or B-list movies.

harricane- Jason never demanded a trade. He told Bill that he would not turn down a trade, because he knows that it would be in the best intrest of Jason, and of the Dolphins.

He haden't talked to Zach yet because he was on the phone with a lot of people, busy with press confrences, getting ready for training camp, and finding a sutiable place for his family to live and didn't have the time. He has talked with Zach, and they are both thrilled to play against each other twice a year.

Please, get your facts straight before you bash him.

Armando,

What's with all the negativity, man. It's annoying. We got good value for Jason Taylor, and we probably avoided a lot of lesser decisions in that process.

Shockey might have been a consideration, but we're talking about a guy who's been pooping on his team throughout the offseason, and they just won the Super Bowl! And let's not forget his injuries. And didn't he also crack on Parcells directly at one point. Why would we want to go with someone like that when we're trying to rebuild a team with a "Team-First" mentality.

And why are the reporters focusing so much on who wears the pants? It's obvious, since Parcells has seniority over both Ireland and Sparano. Stop brewing up negative media. This was a good trade. Crazy idea- how about you focus on that???

Mando, You do so many good articles then you throw that tripe about trading Shockey for JT in there. That's dumb. Who wants another dysfunctional crybaby in trade for another? Besides Shockey is not the run first TE the Tuna wants.

The idea that a 3 way deal could get done between the ain't the gints and the Fins makes more sense. Problem is the number 2 from the Skins will likely be much higher in value than either the aints or gints.

C'mon Mando start eating your smart pills that was a dumb comment.

Three words about Shockey: Do Not Want

Taking plays off, dropping passes, berating a young QB for not throwing him the ball enough, etc. There are reasons the Giants wanted to dump him and not all of them were about Kevin Boss. I'd rather see what Tuna and Co. can do with the picks, either through the draft or using them in trades. We could still use help at OG, CB, WR, DT, etc.

so, did jermemy shockey even say he WOULD
play here?

any of the "parcells is an idiot for not getting shocky" crowd have a clue as to this?

shockey does NOT like parcells at all and called him a bleach blonde f-A-G- early
last year. TO THE MEDIA!!

for all you guys calling JT "selfish" and "a me first prima donna", you would have REALLY loved shockey as he truelly IS THE POSTER BOY
for those labels.

i actually applaud bill for over looking his
obvious talent, that we surely do need, sparing
us the locker room, selfish poison that IS jeremy shockey.

moves [or non moves] like this show me we ARE on the right track with bill.

Some of you make good points about Shockey's flaws -- such as his injury history. I think I wrote that I understand the negatives behind him.

But others of you who suggest it is a no-brainer, and make Shockey seem like something less than an OUTSTANDING player are really blind.

He is a GREAT talent. That is not up for debate. He is better than any TE on the Dolphins. I would say he'll have better stats than any TE on the Dolphins, maybe better than all of them combined. Anyone crazy enough to debate that?

If you can't see that Miami needs a reliable pass-catcher, you haven't really looked too closely at the roster. Moreoever, Shockey is an excellent blocker. I think finheaven made that point very well.

I will leave you with two final thoughts: Sean Payton coached Shockey in NY and was eager to get him. That says something. Bill Parcells, meanwhile, is human. He is not perfect. The fact he didn't acquire Shockey doesn't make it the right move. He didn't want Terry Glenn or Terrell Owens either. And they're pretty good players.

Who cares if Parcells is behind the scenes calling the shots? I would rather have it that way than Parcells being a ego maniac like Jerry Jones and making SURE everyone knows he's the one making the calls.

Also, J.T. & Parcells not letting on what their intentions were is part of the business side of football. It's part of the game, you can't show you hand all the time. Just let them run the team, we don't have to know everything all the time.

I totally agree with you armando. Shockey is a great player and if Parcells didn't go after him because the guy called him a "homo" two or three years ago, that makes Bill Parcells a very small man and not a very good GM.

Thanks for responding Armando. I think Shockey plays hard every play, and he could add value to our team. But the potential negatives outweigh the positives, and if Bill had the opportunity to choose Shockey, I'm glad that he went the other way. I feel a second and a fifth without worrying about Shockey's salary are the more positibe steps. The seventeen million we'll have at our disposal over the next 2 seasons can help fill a lot of holes throughout our team, not just one.

Swing vote,

I guarantee you that Shockey's comments about Parcells weren't a definitive key into Bill's decision. But they do point to a greater potential issue with Shockey- and that's attitude. Attitude and injuries are key to personnel decisions, and legitimate reasons towards foregoing that kind of talent. I wasn't aware that Shockey's run blocking was such a casualty (I actually thought it was decent), but if it was I can also guarantee you that Jeremy doesn't fit Bill's TE mold, anyway.

Let's also not forget- We don't know what else went into that trade rumor. There could have been negotiating points outside of the players themselves that made Bill's decision even easier to pass on.

As a fan, I'd rather watch Shockey making plays and helping to win games than worry about what he may be saying behind the scenes. It doesn't involve me as a spectator, and it's the coach/management's job to discipline the players, not the fans. Would you rather win games or have a squeaky clean image? Look at all the stuff sportsmen like Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Kobe Bryant, Plaxico Buress (who btw, said the Giants made a big mistake trading Shockey), Brett Favre, Dan Marino, yes, even Dan would get upset with players and coaches and yelled out Shula many a time. Does the fact that they didn't always want to do what they were told make them any less talented and/or any less successful?

Come on people, stop bickering about someone's personality traits when you don't even have to be in the same room with that person ever. Can we talk about what goes on ON the field?

the 20-25 million under the cap does no good unless it is spent on talent.There is no carryover from year to year with the cap space.If that was the case the fish have about 10 mill left over from last year too.Trade JT,fine,but you could have spent $$ to help out in other areas.Instead,Wayne,& his new partner(500 million worth)get to keep the $$ & put a division 2 team out there at full price.

"He is a GREAT talent. That is not up for debate. He is better than any TE on the Dolphins. I would say he'll have better stats than any TE on the Dolphins, maybe better than all of them combined." It's likely a true statement, however, team chemistry can not be traded for or signed as a free agent. Individual stats are only part of the story, and a guy with the poor attitude displayed with NY would not be beneficial to this young team.

I for one am happy with the 2 picks. Continue to draft well, get younger and in a few years have a team that can compete with the best teams in the league.

Krillian, according to the reporter who broke the story, the dolphins (i.e. BP) wouldn't allow the Giants to talk to Taylor, because they wanted to keep JT out of the loop. Last time I checked, a 2nd and a 5th beats a 2nd and a 6th. Maybe they felt the Redskins 2nd was better than the Giants. Maybe the 2 picks in the same year would have put them over the limit, so they went for the one this year one next year deal?

Bottom line is they didn't want Taylor to talk to the Giants, so the Giants walked away, because they wanted to know JT's intentions (how many years he'd play). They weren't going to give up Shockey who's got 5 years or so left in his career for a one year guy.

Shockey = overrated

So I guess you guys don't see all the drops he has every year. Then he b!@#$es at Eli for not getting him the ball.

Tinshaker,

I've read information from the Sun-Sentinel suggesting that the Giants wanted to renegotiate Taylor's contract as part of the Saints-Giants-Dolphins 3-team deal. That negotiation caused a hiccup over the weekend, and then the Redskins provided a guaranteed, immediate resolution that left Taylor's contract intact.

Tinshaker,

Attitude affects team morale and so does selfishness. I'm not saying that Shockey wouldn't be successful had he come to Miami, but there are definitely some question marks there. Add his injuries to equation along with other potential intangibles(money, run-blocking, hands)and you have enough question marks to warrant looking elsewhere.

And, btw, I'm a Dolphins fan first, but Shockey is definitely a fun player to watch and there is no way I can disagree about his talent. It was probably somewhat of a difficult decision, but I think overall, it was well-informed. Cooler, less-impatient heads will prevail in bringing Miami back to greatness.

Go Phins.

Krill, probably true, either way, they would've had to talk with Taylor, and BP wasn't going to allow that.

Armando - if you're still reading, can you do a post as to what your schedule is going to be like this weekend? Do you have any interviews already scheduled, or do you reporters just get comments on the go from players/coaches before/after taking the field? Assuming it's open to the media, of course.

Dear Auntie,
I was not referring to his work with children but his attitude for the past several years. As well, do you think anyone here thinks you can be objective?

Jason has pouted, whined and has not been the "leader" this team (that paid him very well) needed him to be. As for me, he was never the face of this franchise but the media spin made him out to be this player that was bigger than what he represented. NO ONE is bigger than the team he plays for. He has opened his mouth and put in his foot too many time to recall and expected "special treatment" and to be "coddled" Why?

He and his agent mucked up this offseason and spoke out of both sides of their mouths- at least what I have been able to gather from his interviews. I would have had some respect for him if he just acted like a man and spoke his mind instead of playing all the "mind games".
Jason has no talent for Hollywood and will be a bust as just "looks" won't go far. Maybe those closest to him are giving him misinformation as to who he is and what his future will be outside of football.
He has spit of the fans, franchise and we will remember him for what he is.

Rebuild With Youth

Yes, I know I am extremely biased, because hes my nephew, but the media did blow things WAY out of proporation with the whole "feud". There was never a feud, and Jason was just trying to clear that up. As for a leader, a lot of his dolphins teammates looked up to him, and really respected him.. I don't see how no one on hear sees that. He was respected by his teammates, and loved by most of them. And when did he ever receive special treatment? And I am SICK of people saying Jason did nothing for the Dolphins, when he was their best defender, and he leads the NFL in Sacks..but that is doing nothing.

As for the off season, I think that a guy who has been LOYAL to a team for 11 years should be a aloud to to a show like DWTS... he did nothing but give the dolphins good publicity, and they continued to ignore that. The Redskins coach actually said the his DWTS performances are going to help him this season, but the Miami coaches refused to see that.

Now, Jasons agent was just trying to clear the air about Jasons offseason. Jason hasn't even decided if he wants to go into Hollywood, it is just something he is looking into.

He did speak his mind, he said he would love to finish in Miami.. and Parcelles is the one who told EVERYONE that the only way Jason would leave Miami is if he retired.. but Jason is the one playing mind games.

And the closest to him are not giving him ANY misinformation about who he is. He knows what he wants, and we are going to stand behind him 1000%, no matter what he choses to do. Thats called a family. That is what we do. Maybe you dont have that, but Jason sure does.

Well, we will have to agree to disagree. I do not think that holding out of OTS/camp and dissing your teammates show them much respect. AS for the DWTS dribble, it was shameful self promotion only. Dancing shape is not football shape. Even you must know this. We as fans expected the vets to be at work and try to improve the team we root for and they play for. We expect them to play out their contracts "for better or worse". Jason is not entitled to anything he hasn't earned, which includes any Championship. We don't get paid for our efforts like the players (even when they don't deserve their paychecks). It is only entertainment for us and Jason didnt act the part of a vet that wanted to do anything other than get his way. That I do not respect.

I agree that the information we get can be slanted... one way or another. The "special treatment" was what he expected from Saban he would not get from Bill, nor should he. Perhaps you are too close to the subject to see how he has "acted" for the past several years and why he has tarnished his all so important image. His words now ARE damage control and anyone other than a family member can come to terms with that.

It's now over and I for one will be glad to focus on the players that want to be here, win or lose. Good things come to those who wait...not force the hand that feeds you.

I Do not remember him dissing teammates.. you show me an article that says he dissed his teammates, and I will believe you. That just doesnt sound like Jason at all. I agree that dancing shape is not football shape, but it will help him with his football footwork. And if you watched his performances, in several, he did things to promote the Dolphins. Such as him and his partner Edyta wore Dolphins colors, and danced to the NFL theme song. And his last dance, he danced to the song 'Miami'.

I do agree, that Jason's not being at mini camps, and things like that was wrong, and he should have been there, and he didn't set a very good example, BUT i do believe he didnt miss anything that was manditory, which is what his contract states he has to be at, so he did nothing wrong there.

And I probably am too close to the situation, but you have to understand that Jason is not a bad person. The media HE is very kind, and loving, and an amazing dad. Everything he fights for in football, he does for his 3 children, and wife, and you have to respect that. Everything he does in life is for his kids, whom he loves and adores them.

wow, what a boring discusion. one of you guys said everything I would have said, so I guess I'm done here.

I agree with tinshaker most today especially the first post, we should see if we could get a filter so we only have to read peoples opinions were interested in rather than so much bickering

For JT's aunt. Best to you in future...he is lucky to have your backing and support.

Rebuild with Youth- Best to you are yours. Sorry if I came across as harsh, I was frustrated, and shouldn't have taken it out on you.

What I realize is that fans are the only loyal part of football. I've been a season ticket holder for 35 yrs and always will be. Unfortunately the players want more money, a ring, more fame etc. Being loyal to the fans and the city is gone forever. That is why college is fast becoming the better sport. If some fans boo its because we should just go out and buy a better team. Players leave with no regard for the loyal fans who supported them as they learned the ropes. Not surprising that some fans see it only as a business too. After all we are the fools paying $2200 a year for season tickets. What happened to the good old days. This sport better watch out or there won't be any loyal fans left. You are going to hear more and more Dolfans turning away as fast as the players now do. I am very sad.

Auntie,

jt dissed his teammates by not showing up the first available minute he was finished with DWTS and by causing the major disruption in the off season while everyone else with or without a contract with the dolphins were working their butts off.

did u notice there was only one holdout? even unsigned players were showing up EVERYDAY.

if u r his aunt there is no way for u 2 be objective.

what he said and what he did are two different things. management wanted him to play and jt wantd to play head games.

if he didn't want a trade, how come it happened in three phone calls?

he demanded a trade then denied that he did. that has been well documented.

we have moved on and let's see who has the most W's in december. jt was going to get his money either way....he was just not going to get the special treatment he was used to by prior management. its unfair to ask for that in a TEAM sport.

I am a close friend of Katinas here in Miami, and just walking down the street yesterday, peple were really angry they traded him. He will be missed. Class act all the way.

i only bleed aqua and orange,period.i don't give a rats arse if a former fin wins a ring for another team,period.if they ain't a fin the hell with them all,period.unless,you play for the n.y. giants and the whipp the n.e. spyboys to help secure the fins undefeated season then i'll say way to gitter done.

harricane- I already went into this, and don't feel like doing it again. I have my kids I need to take care of.

He didnt demand a trade, he said he would accept one. It is not his decision to trade him or not, it was the coaches. Jason wanted to play out in Miami, but if they needed to trade him, he would go.

And yes, Everyone showed up to camps, but Jason, but even his teammates said they were not worried about him, he could get the stuff they were learning quicker than anyone. He should have been there, yes, I agree with that, but he was not trying to diss or snub anyone by not going. He was just busy.

And he didn't get any special treatment. He played hard, and that showed in him leading the NFL in sacks. And being one of the top defenders.

And harricane- don't believe everything you read in the Media(some are good, others are not).. they are just looking for a story, and will post any lie they can get their hands on.

strike up the Barry White, I see a love connection!

Phinatic, one of the blogs (not-related subject) I read has the ability to show comments only of commenters who you add to your 'buddy list' so to speak. It's not great for getting a well-rounded discussion, but in cases like this one where the comments get out of control, it's a nice way to read what you want to, for example, I'd put Phinatic, finfan in orlando, Armando, Eric, etc so I would only see their comments. But then again that's a million plus views a day tech blog so they have the software. For now we will have to resort to browsing through the drivel.

auntie,

last thoughts from a guy who respected jt all of the years. he had a JOB and didn't show up....period. what i don't understand is why he wanted to go this way and this year.

the defense will be much stronger than last year. that is why management wanted him to stay.

wanting to play for a contender and being part of making a contender is what really got me.

i respect you affection for jason, but he went about this all wrong. he got his pass for DWTS and then did not show up for work did not show up for his fans much less his TEAM. his actions speak louder than any words i can spew out.

his teammates speaking out for him were their attempt to say its cool get your butt in here, we r gonna be winners !! i wish him well, but he does not play for my team anymore.

I respect your thoughts harricane. Thanks for sharing them! Best of luck to you!

I am excited to see who the Dolphins take for their draft picks next year...that will be interesting, and the QB situation this year will be interesting as well. Looking forward to seeing it all fall into place come season.

Tinshaker. If you think I posted the entire article and just said "No' after each paragraph, you didn't read it so don't comment. Otherwise, and more likely, it's exaggeration / sarcasm which is fine if that's why you post here.

Armando. It's easy to comment on the fact that you understand Shockey's negatives. But you didn't acknowledge them in the detail that you acknowledge his positives and JT's negatives. That's what makes your article lose a lot of credibility, except for those who already agreed with you anyway.

DN, please don't repost the entire article, we all read it before we move on to the comments, not the other way around. No sarcasm intended, I did not read your comments past the first 40 lines or so because I was just rereading the original article.

And I think Armando skewed things the way he did because all anyone ever seems to talk about are the negatives of Shockey so he was presenting the other side of the argument for sake of balance. If you ask me, that makes the article MORE credible.


By not showing up for camp and giving the team a list of teams you would "consider" to play for sounds like a demand to me. He had no other leverage but the hold out and on going threats. This is not how a team leader acts.

As well he dissed Trent Green, John Beck and Ricky Williams. To call out Ricky for what he did (and make fun of him @ a Halloween costume party)and then hold out himself, putting himself over his team and be a no show... NO class what so ever.

We now see that it is Ricky that has been in camp working hard to improve himself and this team. Too bad Jason lost his head to Bollywood and his overblown ego trip. Actor..ha ha. He is a stiff!

Funny how he ended up on a Non-contender that is no closer to a championship than the Fins are. Karma.

I'm sure I'm going to come off as hard-hearted... or lacking in loyalty... but someone needs to reflect the bottom line here.

Jason Taylor's legacy with Dolphins fans - that he's supposedly concerned about, is that of a quitter. Harsh? You bet. Accurate? You bet. Yes, there was a lot less blatant dishonesty, and a lot longer and more impressive track record to recall fondly... but this is basically Nick Saban Act II. Taylor QUIT on trying to make this franchise a success... just like the Nicktator. In fact, JT's actions this year put his support of Saban, post "Tuscaloosa Two-Step", in a whole new light doesn't it?

The fact that the Redskins GM is "100% sure Taylor will finish his two year contract, and may sign another contract after that" - the SAME day the trade is made - only emphasizes my point. Jason got what he wanted all along.

I appreciate the effort, the professionalism, the charity, and the impact JT made while he was a Dolphin... but his legacy will never be near the level of a Dan Marino, or even his own brother-in-law Zach Thomas. Marino and Thomas weren't quitters.

Meanwhile, with a rookie head coach (who hasn't even been a coordinator in this league - unlike Sparano), and a QB situation only marginally better than the Dolphins... how ironic would it be to see the latest Parcells rebuild project out pace the Redskins? Wonder how JT would feel if in 2 or 3 years he sitting at home in Virginia during January and February, watching the Miami Dolphins compete for the ultimate league prize? The football gods are capricious, and not to be offended lightly... stranger things have happened. lol

PS - Go Zach Thomas! How about them Cowboys Jason????? LOL

PS - Go Zach Thomas! How about them Cowboys Jason????? LOL

Although it is sad to see Jason go, Bill did a great job with a bad situation and got great value for someone who will only play two more years at best. Shockey was not better than the tight end that the Giants had playing at the end of the year, who was like a fourth round pick. So to trade Jason for Jeremy would have been terrible. Now we free up all this cap space, Jason can go play somewhere with a team that is not building from scratch and we get a number two next year. Jason, all the best to you and I hope you get twenty sacks this year!

GL, I think you're offended a little too easily--I wish the best for JT, and he left with a lot more class than Nick, who really gets ridden too hard anyway (why is it ok for BP to lie about trading Taylor but not ok for Nick to lie about talking to Alabama?). The truth is, they are all gonna lie now and then, hopefully with the best of intentions, and I'm not about to demonize anyone for it. I think that the way Parcells played this out made Taylor into a bad guy, which is what he (Parcells) wanted--in short, he's better (more experienced) at playing the media game.

phillyfan,

I'm not offended at all... just calling it like I see it.

Parcells didn't force Jason to tell the team he wanted out, and wouldn't be reporting for offseason activities - and may not even come to training camp. Parcells didn't force Jason to tell any media outlet who would listen that he may only play one more year. Parcells didn't force Jason to say one thing in public, and quite the opposite in private. So how exactly do you figure Parcells made him into the bad guy?

As for lying.... I think it's a stretch to call what Parcells said a lie anyway - since it's always been the position of the team that ANYONE is for sale, and implicit in Parcells statement was the fact that those are the two options Taylor had UNLESS the Dolphins received fair compensation - something that seemed very unlikely until last weekend.

Beyond that, there's another big difference - Bill Parcells is still with the Miami Dolphins doing what he was hired to do... make this a better team. Nick Saban and Jason Taylor are long gone... their lies didn't benefit the team, just themselves.

mando,

i have never seen so many passionate contributions EVER to any blog. wow. guess e r ready for camp now that we have vented 4 our passion. maybe it is football-season-envy?

keep up the good work buddy. go fins !!

10-6 or 11-5 and wildcard or division title

i hate to keep bringing it up, Tampa Rays-last to first in one offseason.....its in the air guys !!

Tinshaker,
Again, if you looked you would have seen (even in the first 40 lines) that there is as much rebuttal as original article. Sarcasm or exaggeration. But it's fine by me if you don't want to admit it. Anybody can see by looking at my post that you are exaggerating.

Truth be told though, I actually posted that elsewhere and copied it in here. When I saw how it didn't really highlight the quotes for those who cannot see it as easily as others I thought it should be changed.

But then I thought, since Armando didn't really put a lot of time into his article, why should I spend more time on my post?

For those who come on here to debate a football point of view in the original article, or to exchange points of view with other fans, good luck!

For those who come here to bicker and use sarcasm and exaggeration, well I guess you've found the right spot. :)

Tinshaker,
You strike me as the type that needs to be right.
Just to give you an out, now we can say you were right. LOL

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News and notes following Jason Taylor trade
Clearing out the notebook of things I have been told and have witnessed:

1. Dolphins football czar Bill Parcells likes to make the point that he is neither the Dolphins coach nor general manager. Not his job, he says. Tony Sparano is the coach and Jeff Ireland is the GM. And while Parcells isn't actually going to be on the sideline coaching, he definitely is serving as GM, casting an immense shadow over Ireland.

When it came time to make the decisions on the Jason Taylor deal this week, it was Parcells making the call. When Redskins executive Vinny Cerrato went looking for a defensive end to replace Phillip Daniels, he called Parcells not Ireland. He negotiated with Parcells, not Ireland.

"We went out to practice at 3 p.m., and I talked to Bill Parcells probably like three times on the practice field, back and forth," Cerrato told ESPN radio on Monday. "We went and discussed some different terms, we came in after practice, talked to 3 or 4 of the veterans players, and asked them what they thought, what type of guy and everything Taylor is and they said great guy. Everything was positive. I called Parcells back around 6:15 and told him, we'll do the deal. We faxed papers back and forth, got Jason Taylor on the phone and we were done."

According to Peter King of Sports Illustrated, Parcells was so in charge of the deal, he even told Cerrato: "All right, I'll fax you the paperwork. It's done."

I don't think any of us should have a problem with any of this. I think everyone can agree Parcells has a reputation that Ireland doesn't yet have and his experience also trumps the young GM's experience. But let's drop the pretenses, shall we?

The Dolphins, for whatever reason, continue to insist that Parcells is a shadow contributor while Ireland is the decision-maker. When the team finally got around to confirming the trade the entire Western Hemisphere knew had been made hours earlier, they released quotes from Wayne Huizenga and Ireland. I can understand Huizenga's statement was necessary because the owner has a history with Taylor, a long-time contributor. But if teams are speaking almost exclusively to Parcells, if the rest of the NFL understand Parcells is running the show, don't Miami fans deserve to hear from him?

Everyone knows Parcells is the ultimate decision-maker, deal-maker, and lord of all football realms in Miami. Teams around the league have no problem acknowledging it. Wish the Dolphins would.

2. As I reported yesterday, the Dolphins were involved with a couple of teams on the Taylor front. New Orleans and the Giants were involved with Miami in some talks and it should come as no surprise those two teams made a trade today, sending tight end Jeremy Shockey to New Orleans for multiple draft picks.

Apparently, New Orleans coach Sean Payton was so eager to get Shockey, he tried to involve the Dolphins in a three-way deal with New York. The Saints would get Shockey, the Giants would have gotten Jason Taylor and the Dolphins woul have gotten draft picks.

I cannot confirm how far those talks went (not far enough, apparently) but one source tells me earlier this offseason the Giants and Dolphins were talking about making a Shockey for Taylor deal. That conversation obviously didn't go very far either, but geez, doesn't that deal sound a whole lot more palatable for Miami than what it eventually got for Taylor?

Shockey for Taylor? Maybe I'm showing my love for The U -- yeah I've got a Miami license plate on one of my cars -- but I would have loved this trade. A 27-year-old Pro Bowl tight end trumps a 2009 second round pick any day in my book. And a 27-year-old Pro Bowl tight end for a 33-year-old defensive end sounds like a good deal for Miami.

But I guess the Dolphins (Parcells) decided he didn't want the New York malcontent coming to his Miami team and possibly, you know, ruining the great offensive chemistry the Dolphins already have in their passing game. Plus why would anyone want to upgrade over David Martin?

I understand the minuses of getting Shockey, but I see a lot on the plus side that the future draft pick doesn't offer.

3. Anybody notice how everyone in this whole JT saga pretty much lost credibility with things they said?

Parcells in March: "The only way Jason Taylor does not play for the Dolphins is if he retires. The team is not going to trade him."

Taylor in June: "I told the Dolphins my intentions from Day One. My intentions are to play one more year."

Um, in case you haven't noticed, Taylor was traded Sunday contrary to what Parcells said. And Taylor immediately told the Redskins he would be happy to play out the remaining two years of his current contract and left open the possibility of signing a new deal after that.

4. Taylor had not talked to former Miami teammate, brother-in-law and new rival Zach Thomas as of Monday afternoon. "I'll see Zach in a different way now," Taylor said at his press conference Monday afternoon. "He made me a better player over the years. But now he's with the Cowboys and those aren't good words around here."

5. Taylor, who reads this blog religiously and was upset with moi when I suggested he lied danced around requesting a trade, is concerned about his legacy with Miami fans.

"You always worry about perception because sometimes it can become reality for some people," Taylor said. "When the media starts to paint a picture a certain way, you can't address everything. There are so many blogs and writers out now that you can't address everything. And sometimes the perception becomes so big that it disappoints you. And sometimes you have to look at the body of work. He's done this for so long and this is the kind of guy he is. He's done it this way, week in and week out and year in and year out so we have to give him the benefit of the doubt. Because you can't address everything."

5. The Dolphins get a very nice cap relief after trading Taylor. The just cleared something on the order of $7-7.5 million. That means they have approximately $21 million under the cap. Now they can go out and shop aggressively in free agency ... or not.

Your thoughts?

Auntie,

I think you are right. The only real thing he did wrong was not show up for OTA. But those are not mandatory. Probably any other year it would have been ok, but when you have a new regime starting a rebuild after 1-15, showing up for OTA says to coahces and teammates "I'm in!".

But he wasn't, and at least he was honest in that he did want to move on, and I cannot fault him for that. He has played for 11 years under some of the craziest coaching conditions I have witnessed in the NFL. He sees the window of opportunity closing and wanted to at least have a chance to play postseason football. Good luck to him (except if he meets my Fins)!

You should be proud of him. Understand that many people deal with losing a great player by telling themselves he was garbage. Helps them get over it I think. It's hard to be objective when you are a big fan of a team. Let's try to take it in that positive light!

No freaking way. No way would I ever want Shockey on this team. HE IS A CANCER. I live in NY (obviously) and the guy is a crybaby EVERY DAY! He was always in the paper whining about something. I watched the Dolphins play the Giants at the meadowlands a few years back and Shockey cost them the game with 2 unsportsmanlike penalties against him. In one series he cost his team 30 yards, set the Phins up on the goal line, and Ricky punched it in. Is it any coincidence that as soon as the twin cancers (Tiki and Jeremy) weren't on the field the Giants won a superbowl? I THINK NOT.How about when Shockey didn't show up with the team to receive his superbowl ring? Yeah, what a great influence he would be on the young kids we have now. We aren't going to be good and we want J Shockey roaming the sidelines yelling and throwing hissy fits? How would that have helped us? He is spoiled and he is a me guy and I am extremely happy we didn't trade for him. As far as the stuff with Bills credibility after he said he wouldn't trade JT,,,,,hold on, I'm laughing too hard to type, Did anyone ever believe that he was telling the truth and not postering so he could broker a better deal? I didn't believe it and I am so tired of people calling coaches liars these days when 20 years ago it was considered just being a shrewd businessman. Anyway it is old news and I couldn't care less, turn the page.

The Shockey deal was NEVER on the board seeing how Shockey insinuated that BP was gay..remember that?

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