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Reality: Favre to Dolphins doesn't make sense

Every credible sports news gathering entity with a website is chiming in on the Brett Favre story now. Most are tackling the issue with well-reported, cogent stories that outline why the statistical QB king wants to play again, why that causes a problem for the Green Bay Packers, and where Favre might land if not on the Frozen Tundra.

None of those stories -- seriously, not one -- regard the Dolphins as a logical landing spot for Brett Favre should he decide to continue his career.

And then there is The Miami Herald.

I opened my paper of record this morning (yes, I'm the guy that still buys the broadsheet instead of getting it free on the Internet) and read why the Dolphins should go after Favre. The story concedes what most right-thinking people understand: That Favre to the Dolphins could not happen. But then it stubbornly insists, "it could."

To which I stubbornly retort: No it couldn't. Really. It couldn't, wouldn't and won't.

Why? Let me count the ways:

First, the idea would thrill the Dolphins marketing department that is desperate to raise the organization out of a ticket-selling funk. But the marketing department doesn't make football decisions. And weighed against fanciful wishing, bringing Favre to the Dolphins is a bad football decision.

What would Favre bring the Dolphins? Lots of national attention. A better quarterback than they currently have. But a playoff shot? Probably not. Even if Favre is still able to be great, he can improve a team's record by one, maybe two games. That might make the Dolphins a 7-9 team instead of 5-11.

And when Favre re-retires it leaves the Dolphins weaker because their rebuilding program detoured because of a flirtation. We still won't know anything about John Beck or Chad Henne and the team will then have a lower draft spot from which to continue building rather than a higher one.

Not that this matters. The Dolphins know there is really no way to get Favre to South Florida anyway. Trade? Can't happen.

Here's the scenario: If the Packers trade Favre it would have to be to a team he approves because he could collapse the deal by simply not reporting if he doesn't like the team. The only teams Favre is interested in playing for are teams with a chance to contend for a Super Bowl berth.

The Dolphins do not qualify.

Yes, the winters are nice here and there is no state tax to pay, but Favre wants a proven offensive line to play behind. Favre wants proven receivers to throw to. Favre would like a West Coast offense to guide because that's what he's known his entire career.

The Dolphins again strike out on all counts.

Certainly, the Dolphins could force the issue if they really wanted. They could jump eyes-closed into the Favre lottery and offer to trade Jason Taylor to the Packers. And the Packers might go for it. But again, Favre would not report to Miami and then what you would have in Miami is another black eye to the team's reputation as yet another superstar admits he doesn't want to play for the once-elite organization.

And that speaks nothing to the issue of fitting Favre's $12.8 million cap hit, which is $4 million higher than Taylor's, into the Dolphins cap. That's right, any team trading for Favre would have to wedge $12.8 million into its cap which is impossible for many teams and a too-snug fit for Miami.

Of course, if the Packers were to lose their ever-lovin' minds and release Favre, the Dolphins would make sense as a free agent landing spot if no other team were to bid on Favre. Problem is the line of teams bidding on Favre would be long and cut straight to the quarterback's desire to get back to the Super Bowl.

The Vikings would be first in line. They are one QB short of being Super Bowl caliber. Bingo. The Bucs would be in that line, too. Jon Gruden runs the west coast offense and his team was in the playoffs last year. The Jets, Redskins and Ravens would also be in that line.

What suggests to you that out of all those teams -- including three playoff teams from last year -- Favre would elect to play for the Dolphins? The answer is nothing.

And what suggests to you the Dolphins would out-bid all those teams in a free-agent free-for-all when they don't share the same desperation to win now as those other teams? Again, the answer is nothing.

It simply doesn't make sense ...

... unless you are reading today's Herald.

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Agreed except with the comment of the Yets and Ravens being "in line". Neither will be a playoff team this year.

Armando, what you were too politically correct to mention is that Greg Cote, who wrote the moronic piece you reference, really does suck. I get the paper, too, but with you on vacation and Lebetard on leave, the herald has had nothing good in it for weeks.

Take that back. The A-Rod story on his divorce was good work. But that was written by your gossip gal.

Wow, Armando. That was actually logically thought out. Nice blog entry.

...but don't let it go to your head.

Go Phins!...with the yout's leadin' the way!

Bill Parcells has a plan in mind and it is about building from inside out -- along the lines of scrimmage. And it also includes doing it with youth.

Favre is neither young nor fits the mold being that he's 38 years old. So you are correct, he doesn't make sense for Miami.

What the heck was that other writer thinking? And more important is why would the herald published that garbage and give it credibility?

If Brett Favre comes back, he'll play for the Packers. That's it.

What about trading Taylor and 1 of our QB's to Green Bay for Rogers and a 1st or 2nd round pick?

Armando, agree with your take completely, though I do think you just came off of Cote's XMAS card list.

I read the piece online yesterday and just blew it off to Cote-crapolla. Heck at least it was something NFL to read. I can't wait for training camp to start to see what the Fins really have to work with this year. Favre may play in 08, may not but I agree it won't be with the Fins unless Parcel's totally loses his mind.

What if we trade Cote, and a douche to GB for Favre and their most stupid writer.

We upgrade at QB and on the writer front while only giving up valuable protection against bad smells.

Armando, can you tell Greg Cote it's time to retire. I mean please. The title "IN MY OPINION Getting Favre makes sense for Dolphins" is just crazy. Why would the Herald even allow it to be the main story today?

Hey everyone, remember me, Brett Favre? Well I'm coming out of retirement to play for the Miami Dolphins. Yes you got it, the team that almost lost every game last year. I know I'm a legend in Green Bay, but I've always dreamed of playing for the Miami Dolphins, especially a team that is rebuilding and probably won't be in the playoffs for another two years.

the packers don't want favre back according to peter king of si. they won't trade him to an nfc team so you have to look at the afc teams that need a quarterback.

Agreed Armando... Completely ridiculous. I understand that Cote was joking, I hope... I hope...

Your 95% right. Green Bay will Not trade Farve to any team in their conference and would rather out of the NFC all together. The Ravens seem like the front runner. All those years of great Dolphin seasons left us let down when they did not make the super bowl. After the past several years think how happy we will be when they break .500 or make the playoffs. Let the building blocks fall in place and develop a good young Miami team. We will be back………………SOMEDAY! Good article Armando.

Great Blog entry I agree 100% why would Farve come to a team with an unproven O line so he can get smashed up every game. I know hes tough but not that tough......We need to see what we got and that is more important than selling tickets. maybe its tough to sell tickets now but once we get where we need to go the tickets will sell. we just need to be patient and enjoy the rebuilding project.

Go Phins

Armando, you are 2-for-2 with your blog posts since returning from vacation. The rest really did you good. Keep up the excellent work.

Armando, your breakdown of the Favre situation compared to Cote utter disregard for the facts is the reason I read your blog and your columns religiously while rarely and barely scanning his.

To top things off, Isnt Favre everything that Parcells DOESNT like in a QB?? Tuna doesnt like his QBs to be River-Boat Gamblin' Gunslingers like Favre.. If his QB cost him a chance at the SuperBowl with a moronic play like Favre ended it last year, he would probably have a brain aneurysm..

It is time for Cote to take a paycut because this kind of nonsense is not suitable for a big time newspaper..

Cote's thinking is what gets new coaches and Gms in trouble and is what has doomed this frachise for years. Not sticking with the plan of getting younger and stronger would be a huge misstake. Sure Favre would put more asses in the seats but what about next year? Do we have a QB? Don't know. Are we any better than last year? Don't know. This isn't fantasy football were you might want a Favre on your team as an emergency QB but not as a starter. Don't forget that until last year Favre wasn't looking all that great with an average team. I think the last 3 years before last year Favre was looking quiet average until he got some talent around him. Talent isn't what Miami has right now it's potential. Favre to Miami is a fantasy and a pipe dream. Miami is building a team for the next 2-4years in hope of making the playoffs and competing for the super bowl and not prolonging a hall of famers career for 16 games. JT for favre, I think if Miami can't trade JT for a draft pick than I would rather him play here and get his sacks and leadership than to shelve two young QB's play for another year. Cote needs to quit sipping grandmas cough syrup so early in the AM.

Cote's thinking is what gets new coaches and Gms in trouble and is what has doomed this frachise for years. Not sticking with the plan of getting younger and stronger would be a huge misstake. Sure Favre would put more asses in the seats but what about next year? Do we have a QB? Don't know. Are we any better than last year? Don't know. This isn't fantasy football were you might want a Favre on your team as an emergency QB but not as a starter. Don't forget that until last year Favre wasn't looking all that great with an average team. I think the last 3 years before last year Favre was looking quiet average until he got some talent around him. Talent isn't what Miami has right now it's potential. Favre to Miami is a fantasy and a pipe dream. Miami is building a team for the next 2-4years in hope of making the playoffs and competing for the super bowl and not prolonging a hall of famers career for 16 games. JT for favre, I think if Miami can't trade JT for a draft pick than I would rather him play here and get his sacks and leadership than to shelve two young QB's play for another year. Cote needs to quit sipping grandmas cough syrup so early in the AM.

lets look at some teams that could use favre:

the vikings: now way the pack trades with their division rival.

the bears: see above.

the buccaneers: the packers have them on the schedule, i'm sure they won't want favre to crush them in their own building.

new york jets: they have broken the bank to sign a bunch of players and they still have to give vernon ghoulston 25 million dollars in guarantee'd money. i think their salary cap is dried up.

Baltimore Ravens: they are about to give quarterback joe flacco 20 million dollars guaranteed so adding another hugely expensive quarterback is out of the question.

miami dolphins: have a bunch of loser quarterbacks making peanuts. it could happen but the phins would have to pick up a veteran reciever like a joe horn or terry glenn to satisfy favre.

Eric I think Mr Bungle nailed it.

"Hey everyone, remember me, Brett Favre? Well I'm coming out of retirement to play for the Miami Dolphins. Yes you got it, the team that almost lost every game last year. I know I'm a legend in Green Bay, but I've always dreamed of playing for the Miami Dolphins, especially a team that is rebuilding and probably won't be in the playoffs for another two years."

You got to be in fantasy land if you think HE wants to come here or on some of that good weed....:-)

Go Phins!!!

he may not have much of a choice on where he goes.

I disagree Eric he is retired now if the situation is not right he can just stay retired.....Remember he has been about wanting to win another super bowl for a while and he is only going to go to a team that realisticly is only a qb away from being a contender if his agent forces the realease he can easily go where he wishes including all those divsion rivals you spoke about

Realistic places in my opinion to fall by division are:
AFC east
Buffalo (Far fetched)

AFC North
Ravens

NFC East
Washington

NFC North
Minnesota
(I would say Chicago but with no running game and no recievers it wont be attractive)

NFC South
Tampa
Carolina

NFC West
Maybe San francisco since they are unsettled at QB and have made some upgrades to the offense and the defense and weren't so bad in 2006 not to mention the Martz is now running the offense they maybe able to persuad him but still a longshot


Best places for Farve in My opinion
would be

Tampa, Minnesota, Carolina,

Especially that they play in weak divisions any of those three teams can finish first in there divisions and make the playoffs which is what Farve wants.

Go Phins

Eric- you are either deluded or Cote in disguise. This makes no sense for anyone.

Miami doesn't want Favre. It is time to rebuild and he would be an expensive stopgap for one year. He might win us a couple games and that doesn't matter if we don't get to playoffs. We already have McCown and he is a cheaper interception machine.

Favre doesn't want Miami. Why would a future HOF QB want to tarnish his final image? He already went out with a whimper last year. This year would make him look older and honestly a little pathetic. He WHINED the last few years at GB for not having the tools to make a SB run. What tools for that would he have here?

Lastly, Mando great post, you have been on fire since vacation. Tell Cote he needs one badly(the whole football season should do the trick).

Eric, Favre has a choice where he goes. Come on, what are you smoking today? It must be much stronger than the usual stuff you smoke.

where the hell else is he going to go? contending teams already have their quarterbacks secured.

i strongly doubt the packers will trade favre within the conference. he will be traded to the afc so the pack won't have to face him during the season.

PT please don't put mccown and favre in the same sentence together. mccown is a joke next to favre.

Eric I think I mentioned three teams that can contend and will be in the playoffs and that is

Tampa, Carolina, and Minnesota

and he does not have to be traded there is the possibility that he gets released and then he can sign with anyone he pleases

the packers will never release him and they won't trade him within the divsion so that eliminates the vikings. they also will send him away from the nfc so that eliminates the bucs and panthers as well. the packers have to play all three of those teams so they will not send favre to any of them.

Eric, I think you and Cote are having a race to the more stupid finish line.

That guy shawn who keeps trolling on here with the whacked out belief that 9-11 was an inside job is not as crazy as Cote. He's lost my respect completely. Welcome back, Mando.

yeah who wants favre when you have josh mcloser and that other little mormon guy.

Eric if the packers dont want to play Farve what makes you think that they are afraid of him

Thank you Armando. I don't know what the heck Cote was thinking writing that article, but it places him at the top of the list for the 2008 World Dumbassery Award ahead of George Bush and Norman Braman.

Eric Do you think the Phins are a playoff team?

Because that is your only possible angle

Why would brett want to come out of retirement and get pounded here in miami?

Man I love the Dolphins just like you but what can Brett farve at the age of 38 getting sacked three times a game (optimistic) possibly do for a rebuilding team?

favre makes the phins a playoff team. favre doesn't get sacked he gets rid of the ball in a damn flash.

I hate to put Favre anywhere near McCown but honestly, his productivity here wouldn't be much better. I agree with Eric that the Vikings are the last place they will let him go(if they even have the choice) but Tampa is a good fit and so is Carolina. Even playing against him once isn't too bad because they will only have to do it once.

Favre will not go to the worst team in the NFL. Thats the main reason this won't happen. GB is in a tough corner but I cant see their GM letting Favre take over again and losing Rodgers.

Maybe I can coax Favre to come down here by asking him to dance.. I love to dance! Favre surely loves to dance! We all love to dance! LETS DANCE!

Um, you guys are missing something completely. If Favre comes back, GB will keep him. He is a Green Bay icon, will go into the HOF as a Packer, the fans ADORE him, the players LOVE him, and unless the Saints come marching in, he has no reason to leave GB. No one in GB wanted him to retire, they will gladly take him back.

Cote's insinuation that Miami is a good fit for Favre because of the sunshine is ridiculous. For starters, home games tend to be rained on more than shined upon, and secondly, has there ever been a better cold-weather QB in the history of the NFL? Personally, I think not.

In closing, would the Dolphins have traded Dan Marino if he rescinded his retirement especially if he were in better shape as Favre is now? I think not. I for one would gladly have a 40+ yr old Marino out there than the amalgam of QBs we've had since.

After all is said and done, the only rational argument for Favre coming to Miami from the Dolphins standpoint is that he would instantly improve ticket sales, and would place us in the limelight of the media. Since we don't have any receivers of a caliber of what he's used to, he probably wouldn't have an ability to win us more games than anticipated.

favre makes recievers better than what they are.

Man Cote makes me shake my head. thats the same way espn and the herald sensationalized the whole JT thing. His brother saying he has an itch doesn't even mean he's coming back, his brother said it not him. Agreed if he was to come back i doubt it would be here.

who said you get to take vacations Mando I had to go to the sunsentinel site for weeks to get my fix. you should start a poll for the most disliked sports columnist

Eric = brett favre

I almost read Cote's column and wanted to comment to him what about what a moronic, sophomoric piece he wrote.

Then I realized that is probably what he wanted, so I didn't even read it and decided to post hear to boost Mando's numbers.

Great job calling it out Armando.

I'm sorry Eric but you are Delusional if you think Brett Farve makes us a playoff team...But I'm not going to argue this anymore because I see there is only one way of thinking for you....By the way the Jason Taylor thing was funny

Lets Dance

Welcome back Armando. I first read the title of the article while looking through Phinatics and as soon as I got the last word in the heading past my lips I said to myself this had to be written by Cote. Sure enough I opened the thread and there it was "By Greg Cote". I know the guy is probably super nice, he seems that way in his articles, but he just doesn't get it when it comes to football. But God bless him for trying. Armando, you are dead on with your assesment and I am happy that you put it out there for everyone to see. This move makes absolutely no sense anyone at all.

to anyone at all. It will not benefit anyone who is involved.

Tell that lazy ass Cote to get off his but and do some reporting. Get some inteviews, something. Anyone can sit back in their recliner and write a "I wish" article. It wasn't even well thought out either. What, he couldn't get anyone at the Herald to bite on the "Why Marino's arm is rested enough he could come out of retirement and play one year and take his career records back from Farve" story???

Here's the real question...Armando doesn't get a free subscription to the Herald? Hell, when I lived in Miami, even I got a couple free weeks here and there....

Greg Cote is a moron, an idiot, an imbecile, a tool, a clown, a dumbass, a fool, a knucklehead, a knitwit, and whatever other name you wish to throw in the mix.

At least not all of the Herald writers have lost their minds. Thanks for being the voice of reason, Armando.

Armando, You know I am as likely to be on the opposite side of anything you post, as I am to be on your side. I have taken both sides on several occasions, and I must say, I have never been in more agreement with you, than I am on this article. I cannot believe the Kumar actually went with Jacket's article. Today's site looks like you guys are Gollum from Lord of the rings. "We loveses Brett Favre" "We HATESES Brett Favre" lol.

Just what we need when trying to get younger and build for the future. let's take another year off while we break in an old quarterback on a new offense. And let's do it with one that loves to throw interceptions right when you don't need one. That's Brett... a hall of famer who over the hill. He needs to go to a team needing a little puch to get over the top. Not a team sitting in the sewer trying to just get the stink off. We don't need Brett now. Younger, younger, younger.

Armondo,
It makes sence with this scenario. You trade Taylor for Favre, then trade Favre to the Highest bidder. I guarentee you that you would get a higher draft pick for Favre then Taylor. Green Bay would never trade Favre to the Vikings or Bears because of the back lash it would cause. But, if you can get JT and another team does the dirty work for you, why not do it? Favre will never play for the Pack again so they would be getting JT for nothing in there eyes. And after a 1-15 year, no fan could fault Parcells for getting another chip, most likely a 1st-2nd round pick, for the rebuilding process.

You couldn't get any more for Favre than you could for JT. He is obviously a year to year player, who you couldn't count on for a long term plan. The biggest trait of long time winning programs are that they think about next year, and the year after, as much as they think about this year. This is why you always see the Patsies with a ton of draft picks, and always see ticked off cast aways, mad that they didn't get a new, big time deal with them. Hoodie is a jerk, and a cheater, but he has built a strong team, for several years, and for several years to come. As much as I dislike him, and many of his tactics, building through the draft, and trading for more picks, over throwing them away, for overpriced under achievers seems to be a good way to go. His FA signings have been for lower amounts, and his trades have been pretty shrewd(RE: Wes Welker, and Randy Moss). Trust the Trifecta.

Isn't Commander Cote the same guy who recommended the Dolphins sign David Carr back in February? Thank you Armando for clearing the air on this fantasy. Cote's article should have been in Science Fiction Weekly.

I heard Cote might be traded to the Coral Springs Forum or as a Margate Middle School freelance writer after his last post.

Actually you could get a 1st rounder from Favre but only from the Vikes. I think GB would put a clause in any trade that he couldn't go there. Minnesota is set to go far this year and QB is their only questionable area. They would do the trade.

Cote, you vacationing with Ricky again ?

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