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Dolphins beat Jets in the draft's first round

Last April the Dolphins used the first pick of the draft to select Jake Long. The New York Jets used their first round pick, the sixth pick overall, to select outside linebacker Vernon Gholston.

Advantage Dolphins!

While Long has come pretty much as advertised so far and will start at offensive left tackle for Miami in the regular-season opener, Gholston has not quite started so fast. In fact, he's been awful.

I had Michael Lombardi, a 20-year NFL personnel man with Oakland, Cleveland and other teams, on my radio show over the weekend. First of all, he doesn't think the Jets are going to be very good at all. He picked them fourth in the AFC East, behind New England, Buffalo and Miami.

And he hates Gholston.

This is what Lombardi wrote in the National Football Post after the Jets preseason finale against Philadelphia.

"I watched Gholston last night and he is not playing well right now. What is most alarming is his inability to come off the blocks without explosison or to play the game with any physicality. Coming out of college, he did not, in my opinion, have one-step quickness. he has to run his feet to generate power -- much like a boxer who needs to "wind up" to throw a punch. Gholston is a poor rusher, playing right into the lineman. As a dropper, he has no chance. If he is in coverage, he is a HUGE liability. The question the Jets should be asking themselves is, 'How are we going to dress him on Sunday?' He is not a special teams  player and won't be on the field as a rusher with the defense. Difficult to imagine drafting  aplayer with the sixth overall, he is not a quarterback, and he does not offer any help on Sunday."

Long, meanwhile, has met every expectation of the Dolphins coaching staff. He still needs to improve his technique but coaches are riding him hard to get that done. Head coach Tony Sparano, in particular, has been spending time with Long to get him better as quickly as possible.

He is not a Pro Bowl player now. But with some experience and some improved technique and some time, he has the makings. The Dolphins believe they hit paydirt with the guy.

The Jets with Gholston? Not so much.

5 p.m. update: The Dolphins are about to announce the cutting of cornerback Joey Thomas and the signing of safety Tyrone Culver. The team also will cut Jayson Foster off the practice squad and add nose tackle Anthony Toribio. Culver was waived by the Packers when the team cut to 53 players.

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The Jets offered Pace about 6-8 million more than Miami did.

Gholston didn't just look like a rookie in camp and the preseason, he's looking like a guy who can't play on the NFL level at OLB. Sure he may come around, but so far he's done nothing to suggest that he will. Not a good sign.

The reason that I did not want Gholston at #1 is because he lacks instincts. That's key for the next level. If he doesn't have that, there isn't much coaching that will help him. It's on him. He either will or he won't.

Samantha can either predict the future about Gholston or she doesn't know what's she's talking about. Pick one!

Oh yeah, Gholston might not even dress for the Dolphins game.

We're gonna kill those freaking JETS!!

3 things:

1. Gholston was definately juiced at O$U.

2. So far, for whatever reason, Jake is doing far better than Gholston.

3. These Jets fans who read/post on Dolphin's blogs are strange IMO. I wouldn't think of logging onto a Jets blog, much less post on one.

Obviously. I mean you would think the number one player in the draft would be better than the sixth player taken right out of the gate. That said, you are making your usual assumptions based on nada but preseason hype.

More interesting, who is Tyrone Culver?

I like JETS, I fly on them all the time. Their football team however, SUX!!!

Dophins Rule, and before someone posts that I left the l out of Dolphins, I donated it to the jets fans, so they can define the results of game 1 "losers"

NYScott- Great tirade, wish I had thought of it.

Blade- Great stats...I knew we were better historically, but those numbers are like kicking a retard...and you didn't even mention the greatest season of all time.

Jets fans-Suck it

Phins win big over the Jests. Ricky is going to ram that pigskin down the Jests throats. With a little Ronnie Brown on the side. Pennington knows your complete offense and defensive schemes. I say a big opening day win for the Fins.

Man I can't wait till Sunday.

I don't know if we're going to win Sunday but I know they're going to put up one hell of a fight. The Jets roster is a little deeper and they have some better talent in certain areas. That's just the reality of things. People need to remember that we're still rebuilding and not to get your hopes up to high because it will be a long fall. Lets keep our expectations realistic so everyone doesn't start freaking out and calling for Sparanos head when the going gets tough. And IT WILL get tough, we know this and we should own it. BUT, BUUUTTTTTTT we have something going for us this Sunday. Chad Pennington is going to work his butt off to win this game and that will trickle down through the entire roster. Even the 53rd man will be doing anything he can to help Chad get this one because they all respect the guy. Also the players have something to prove and they don't want to be known as last years Dolphins so they'll be very pumped. And I'm hoping that the Jets players come into this game cocky (and if their fans are any indication of how the team will act it's sure to happen) and just assume that they can coast. At the point they go CRAP, what's going on here and maybe we have the lead as they start relieing on Brett to do his thing. This is a classic trap game and we've seen it play out in the past. If they put it all on Bretts shoulders he's going to try too hard and throw some timely interceptions. But I'm sure Mangini is warning his players against all of this, lets hope they aren't listening. GO DOLPHINS!!!!!

Notice none of the Jets fans even commented on the fate of their very near future? That team is going straight down the toilet, and as fin fans we know what it looks like cause we have been through it very recently! These are 2 teams that will be very competitive (against each other) this year but headed in opposite directions thereafter . Just don't get discouraged NY fans it will only be another 6 or 7 years of hell after that....

Jet fans will always be bitter. They have been to 1 Super Bowl in their history compared to 5 for us. They were Griese's and Marino's bitches during the 70's and 80's and starting next year Henne's bitches. Get a life Jet fans because you will always suck!!!

Jet fans will always be bitter. They have been to 1 Super Bowl in their history compared to 5 for us. They were Griese's and Marino's doormats during the 70's and 80's and starting next year Henne's doormats. Get a life Jet fans because you will always stink!!!

Wasn't it this very blog that I was criticized in the comments about thinking Nathan Jones was safer than Joey Thomas?

To:lf911sc,

Shut your A hole and go back to loving your Jets. If you love your Jets so much why are you on this blog? I don't know who I hate worse, the Jets or the Bills.

The Cuban Assassin

I smell fear. These Jets fans are really sounding scared. I was thinking this would be a close game, but now I see just how scared the Jets fans are. Wow, how pathetic it is to come on a Dolphins blog and try to reverse their misfortunes.

Bill Billecheck and Parcells used to be with the Jets. Why are they not with this organization anymore? Really, I'm not trying to disrespect the Jets or their fans, but you've gotta ask yourself, is this a class organization or is it not?

Joe
http://thenflgreenzone.blogspot.com

Is it just me or is NYScott a complete tool. You quite clearly are unemployed as you have far too much time to write excessive amounts of text expressing your opinions that no one wants to hear. Stop being so gay and a bum.

Armando,

You are a smelly rectum.

Why do you keep deleting my comments. I have an opinion too. Its not my fault that your smell is similar to faeces. I know cause i have had the immense displeasure of being in the same room as you before and you indeed smelt like a rectum full of 5 day old curry. People have a right to know this as well.

With the money the Jets have spent on free agency if they are indeed only 4th in the division. I would suspect that the Jets would be seeking a new General Manager at the end of the 2009 season.

Been looking around and have seen predictions for the Jets finishing as high as 11-5, and I have to ask: where is their running game?

I think the Jets way overpaid for Fanaca, they overpaid Pace, they mortgaged the QB position for Favre (where is the young QB who would eventually take his place?), and we will wait to see what Gholston turns into (hopefully, a bust).

At the beginning of the offseason, the Jets were NOT in a position to win in 2008, and they are not ready now.

Great stats...I knew we were better historically, but those numbers are like kicking a retard...and you didn't even mention the greatest season of all time.

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But yet the stinking Jets own your dolphins.

They've won 16 of the last 20 matchups and have a winning percentage over your great team.

Little history lesson for the pissed off whiners.

Notice none of the Jets fans even commented on the fate of their very near future? That team is going straight down the toilet, and as fin fans we know what it looks like cause we have been through it very recently! These are 2 teams that will be very competitive (against each other) this year but headed in opposite directions thereafter . Just don't get discouraged NY fans it will only be another 6 or 7 years of hell after that....

Posted by: Millions

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The Jets will win 10+ games and the fish will be lucky to win 5.

The fish still suck, the Jets are the better team.

The Jets will do what they usually do, take 2 wins from the fish. Starting sunday, when you turn your TV on and hear the J-E-T-S, JETS, JETS, JETS on your home field.

hey lf911sc
its too bad you have to celebrate in GIANTS stadium the real kings of new york.....thats alot of noise from a team that went 4 - 12 last year and all they did was sign a whole lot of old players and an overrated olb and drafted one with the sixth pick that won't even dress sunday..........the only thing you sucky jet fans have to look forward to is your new coach and gm you will have after next year.......oh yeah and keeping those seats warm for the GIANT fans

Go Phins

Roth is gona get pwned if he has to drop back into coverage n try to tackle a scatback RB.Hes too heavy to play at LB.

lol at the yets and bust gholston.

Btw parcells n co couldve claimed better players than they did.

I suspect Parcells/Ireland are waiting one more week to jump into the free agent market. If they pick up a veteran (who was under contract and cut by a team to get to the 53 limit) before Week 2 of the season, they are obligated to pickup the current contract and guarantee the year. If they wait until Week 2, they can negotiate. Regarding Culver he was a stud at Fresno and 'smart' - which is something Parcells wants especially in safetys.

I suspect Parcells/Ireland are waiting one more week to jump into the free agent market. If they pick up a veteran (who was under contract and cut by a team to get to the 53 limit) before Week 2 of the season, they are obligated to pickup the current contract and guarantee the year. If they wait until Week 2, they can negotiate. Regarding Culver he was a stud at Fresno and 'smart' - which is something Parcells wants especially in safetys.

***Sorry that you want to ignore relevant history and go back to the glory days, but open your eyes. The Jets have been the better team and until the fish can make up the defecit, will continue to be the better team.

You would realize that, unless you are dumb as rocks.***

Since 2000 the Phins are 61-67 with 2 11 win seasons and a 10 win season...

Since 2000 the Jets are 62-66 with 2 10 win seasons.

Who is "dumb as rocks" ?

Make that 3 10 win season for the Jets.

There's a myth circulating out there that Gholston outplayed Jake Long one-on-one in the Michigan-Ohio State game last year. Not so. Gholston did beat Long once for a sack, the only sack Long gave up all season. But for the most part Long neutralized Gholston when they played head-to-head, which is why Gholston played most of the game lined up at the other defensive end position going up against Michigan's inexperienced right tackle. Gholston had a monster game, but not against Jake Long.

After Arizona and Cleveland....ther is the Jets.....history proves your a joke....Broadway Joe's miracle win is the only thing that organixation has ever done in over 40 yrs.....LOLOLOLOLOL

anyone of you Phin fans wanna back up your trash talking and bet on Sundays opener at your home???? if we stink, you guys stink worse because our record is 16 wins of the past 20 games. who sucks now... J-E-T-S- SUCK SUCK SUCK!!!
Posted by: rayzor


Too bad you're too dumb to know that ALL games count buddy. Stupid post form a typical stupid jest fan.

Who is "dumb as rocks" ? J-E-T-S FAN FANS FANS!!!


Posted by: NJPhinFan

After Arizona and Cleveland....there is the JETS.....history proves your a joke....

THAT'S RIGHT- THE 3RD WORST WINNING % IN THE NFL. there is your skanky truth jetoffs.

Dolphines 27 Jets 17
thats my pick.

Dolphins 27 Jets 17
thats my pick.

"I would hope the 1st overall pick looks better than the 6th overall pick...moron. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to suggest that!"

There were several guys that were at the top of the draft ranging 1-5 and no two GMs had them in the same order, VG was ONE of those guys and a comparison to J.Long is valid. So take your rocket science else where,MORON.

When I say I'm not a Dolphins fan or a jets fan, then tell you my biased jets fan opinion I'm obviusly FOS!

Why do so many in Miami bag on Armando?

And, I am glad to FINALLY hear some feedback on Gholsten. The Oakland evaluator is DEAD ON about this slow & hefty OLD with NO HEART! That's right, do any of you Jets fans remember hearing that he takes GAMES OFF????

OLB is new to Vernon but pass rushing is not. Remember how J.T. adjusted to OLB, from DE? He became a monster to deal with. Just the opposite is happening with Gholsten. He's slow and the NFL game speed is showing his weaknesses.

The bust of the 2008 draft is Vernon Gholsten!

Miami 27, NYJ 13
Miami 7-9, NJY 4-12

35-10....miami over jets....miami.10-6..

You dolphin fans are pure jerk offs. GHOLSTON will be a stud and Jake Long will be suspended by week four for steroids. Just like his daddy!

hey johnthejetfan

go suck Mangini off before you turn on him when your season starts 0-3

Miami 20 - Propeller Planes 10

New England 55 - Propeller Planes 3

San Diego 35 - Propeller Planes 0

Propeller Planes 3 - 13 (Farve Retire's by game 6)

Miami 8 - 8 (Vernon GHOST-Ton disappears and is not even in Madden 2010)

Go Phins!!!

Hey finfan from Orlando, you are obviously just mad because the gay dancing machine is now in DC. I will never suck off anyone. Miami 8-8 = highly unlikely. You guys have our leftover microwaved snack in Chadwick PenningNOT. Wait till those floaters start getting picked off and returned for touchdowns and Favre starts zipping them to my man Dustin Keller...Boy oh boy, good times'a'coming' and I will end this with a really big. J.E.T.S-JETS-JETS-JETS!

I love the way Chadwick puts his hands under "center". Jake Long has a nice big white booty.

And by the way, Vernon "The Destroyer" Gholston is leading all rookies in tackles during the preseason when you jerkoffs said he was invisible. Research stupids!

johnthejetfan

the propellar planes will start 0 - 3 buddy.....and you will be calling for Mangini head....In the mean time keep those GIANT seats warm......Your just mad because the new yorkers don't care about the propellar planes enough to vote for there own stadium.......the propellar planes have always been losers and they will always be losers........and GHOST-TON sucks now maybe he will be better later but sucks now and will be shirt and shorts come sunday

Go Phins

Oh yeah johnthejetfan

One more thing about Favre here is a report I read

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Aug. 22, 2008 - 1:11 p.m. ET

The Jets reportedly tweaked Brett Favre's contract slightly after acquiring him from Green Bay.

His remaining salaries ($12M in 2008, $13M in 2009, and $14M in 2010) are intact, but Favre can now retire from the Jets at any time and not have to forfeit bonus money. The Jets got their man, but left themselves unprotected.

Source: National Football Post

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Sounds like your boy Favre isn't to sure if he wants to stick around.......It's going to be a long season for you propellar fans of press conferences with Favre talking about being tired and finally down the line again retiring.........then not only won't you have a stadium but you won't have a QB either

Has to be the worst front office in the NFL 12 million for a 37 year old QB that throws 20 INTs a year and folds under presure........and 14 Million for a 40 year old QB......man sounds like the Propeller plane is going to crash and burn.

Go Phins

Jets 35 Phins 7

Phins 20 Propellars 10

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