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Dolphins defend their ability to get deep

So how you liking Miami's ability to get big downfield plays in the passing game?

The Dolphins think they're doing just fine, thanks. Today, quarterback Chad Pennington and coach Tony Sparano brought up this statistic about how the Dolphins are faring well in pass plays of 20-yards or more. Apparently they've heard criticism that Miami's offense isn't a big-play unit with the pass and they are refuting that.

"It's perception versus reality," Pennington said.

"You talk about big plays and whether or not the ball is getting the down the field -- 'oh they're not throwing the bomb' -- but we have 17 plays over 20 yards which is like eighth or ninth in our league when you're talking about pass plays," Sparano said.

Actually, the Dolphins are tied for 14th in the NFL on plays of 20 yards or more. That is still satisfactory. But it is by no means eye-popping.

The truth is the Dolphins are averaging 2.83 pass plays of 20 yards or more per game this season. Last year -- with Trent Green, Cleo Lemon and John Beck at quarterback, without Chris Chambers most of the year and youngsters Greg Camarillo and Ted Ginn Jr. getting playing time for the first time -- the Dolphins averaged 2.56 pass plays of 20 yards or more per game.

Not a math wiz, but that .27 play per game is not significant this early in the season.

The point is there really is no appreciable difference yet this year.

I must say Miami's coaches are truly doing it with smoke and mirrors. At the very least they are not getting down the field in the conventional sense. Miami's three longest gains in the passing game this season?

An 80-yard pass to Patrick Cobbs on a screen pass.

A 53-yard pass to Patrick Cobbs on a flea-flicker.

A 39-yard pass to Ronnie Brown.

Cobbs and Brown, by the way, are not wide receivers. They are running backs.

So the Dolphins may tout their ability to get down the field. But to believe they are having success actually passing deep downfield, you know, like to their wide receivers, is neither perception. Nor reality.

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Armando,

you are very right !

saludos !

Eye-popping? No. Saisfactory? Yes.

This team is not 2-4 because of Chad Pennington.

Mando,
I like this article because i think we should bring in Chad Henne so that he can get the ball to these pathetic wide out we have.

The dolphins are trying to act like they are a contending playoff team by keeping Chad Pennington in the starting spot. <- it's not going to happen.

They need to give Henne the reps he needs now before next year but him in to rough situation that he will need to get himself out off to win games early. I also think that with Henne we can probably make a playoff spot.

WE NEED HENNE..
till keyshaun to sit his but down somewhere.

Well if thats the case why haven't we seen any 60yard bombs to Ginn or Camarillo. These guys are trying to silence the fans from screaming to see Henne!! Also if this is the case why haven't we caught some teams off guard??? Every team we have played, play eight in the box on at least 70% of their defensive plays.

One last comment , I think when we finally do get Henne out there he may give that same spark Vince Young gave the Titans when he was inserted late in the season, I think had the Titans started him earlier they would've made playoffs that year.

I agree with Chris S. The job that Chad P is doing is great! He is filling a role and bringing leadership to the offense. Interceptions will happen but overall he has shown the same leadership he had with the Jests.
Without a deep threat reciever, you cant expect much more from him or anyone else on this team.
Special teams, cornerbacks and a reluctance to make the running game work are hampering this team. Ricky and Ronny need to get more opportunities. Then the O-Line can develop too.

Stop the whining. Would you all rather have an efficient QB like Pennington or a QB like every one we've had since Marino who can throw downfield, but right in the hands of a defender? Especially when the game is on the line. We already know Henne has a big arm. Let him learn from Pennington how to be most efficient and then we will be able to know we are going into every game with a good chance of winning. Up until Pennington arrived we would all watch the game waiting for the moment the QB was going to throw the game away. Now I can say I dont feel that way about our starting QB.

Mando,
I like this article because i think we should bring in Chad Henne so that he can get the ball to these pathetic wide out we have.

The dolphins are trying to act like they are a contending playoff team by keeping Chad Pennington in the starting spot. <- it's not going to happen.

They need to give Henne the reps he needs now before next year but him in to rough situation that he will need to get himself out off to win games early. I also think that with Henne we can probably make a playoff spot.

WE NEED HENNE..
till keyshaun to sit his but down somewhere.

Right On POUND!

In order for any QB to get a ball deep, the WR needs to be open.

This helps.

Do you think Henne has some magic power to make this happen? Or, is the guy guarding the WR gonna just look the other way?

This is a ridiculous conversation.

Armando, we don't have the firepower right now to be a big play passing team. Why does everyone harp on this? The Dolphins are what they are. A decent team that can compete each week and have a chance to win the game. But this is not an established team yet and everyone knows that. Yet we continue to look for quick fixes and we over-analyze the situation.

This team needs more talent. But not as many positions as some might think. If we upgrade the secondary and add a #1 WR, or at least a solid veteran, and maybe by the season's end some of the younger WRs are playing better, we'll be a good team next year and have a shot to make the playoffs. No doubt in my mind because there are not enough top teams in the league. The NFL doesn't have too many dynasties right now.

Chris S., it has been reported that Ginn, Camarillo and Bess were open down the field in the Ravens game but Pennington didn't go for it. He is what he is. A bright game manager and an accurate short to midrange passer. We're moving the football, we're not finishing drives and the deep ball doesn't correct that. It would be nice to have in our arsenal, but right now we don't. Maybe we'll get it going a bit over the next 10 games.

I had Miami down as going 3-5 the first half of the season. I had them 3-5, maybe 4-4 in the 2nd half. That's 6-10 or 7-9. We're 2-4 now. We're not where we need to be yet, but it's better than 0-13 and 1-15.

You are right, but MAN, do you have to be the offial Miami Dolphins Negative Nancy

i went from reading Armando's articles all the time, until i realized that it's not worth it to be a negative fan.

I'm okay with the Phins' passing game, as long as it's producing chunks of yards. And it has been, for the most part. With that being said, the deep ball would help soften the pass defense. As more time passes and the more the Phins don't attempt the deep ball, the more the defenses are going to play tighter zones in the 10-15 yard range.

And why haven't we seen any crossing routes with Tedd Ginn Jr? He could get some YAC that way. The receiver screens aren't working.

Bungle, Dan Marino repudiated that claim on his radio show this week. His take was that media guys "think" guys are open but really aren't due to their lack of understanding on coverage, etc.

I'm okay with the Phins' passing game, as long as it's producing chunks of yards. And it has been, for the most part. With that being said, the deep ball would help soften the pass defense. As more time passes and the more the Phins don't attempt the deep ball, the more the defenses are going to play tighter zones in the 10-15 yard range.

And why haven't we seen any crossing routes with Tedd Ginn Jr? He could get some YAC that way. The receiver screens aren't working.

i live in new england and was wonderin if i can watch the game on the net...any ideas on who will be streamin the game?

Ummm..Chris S..have you been to ANY Miami games and watched Ginn and even Camarillo blow by the coverage?..didnt think so!

I dont want Henne to play this year simply because he needs to sit and learn even though our Passing attack will be absolutely EXPLOSIVE with him under Center..Ive waited YEARS so waiting through one more wont bother me one bit because the light at the end of the tunnel is visible now and within 2 years Ginn will look like a steal at #9..hide and watch!

I Like Chad Pennington and the job he's doing but I think he's overrated!!
He could have the highest passing % or whatever, he could be "smart" with the football by throwing 3 yards passes but that's just individual statistics, he has to make his receivers look good too!!
he has decent numbers, that's about it!!
he's a quaterback, not a running back!!

Mando...
Its not that they are not doing it, its that its been open for over 10 years.

Sure Chad and Tony are new to our struggles but we are not... we've seen the plays open each and every Sunday, 1 pm to be exact; and we're just bored. Bored of losing, bored of not seeing the team take full advantage of the opportunities presented.

Do me a little favor Armando,
Ask the coaches as well as Chad why the hell they are responding to our critisism. Last I checked thats the first sign of a staff losing grips on a team.

Tony, Chad its this easy win and we'll write nice things we'll point out the postives and hell we may start talking Super Bowl (thats my boy from the boro, Statesboro: Smiley). But when you lose we wonder "what if..."

what if... our great QB had connected for a TD early in last weeks game?

what if... our great QB had found Teddy or Greg screaming down the field wide open...

what if... the Ravens had to respect that, would we still be talking Wild Cat?

So don't bore me with numbers unless those numbers are on the win column. Ask Obama its not important how you win but that you win even if you have to lie, cheat and steal on the way, works for a Marxist why not work for my Phins.

No s**t. Mando it must be so damn boring for you to have to write for the phins right now. I would rather watch paint dry then to have to come up with stories about the team at this point. They are rebuilding every area of the team but can't do it at once so have to go unit by unit. WR and DBs are next season but you still have to write about them so what we get are stories about how the worst receiving group in the NFL are struggling, and to that I say no s**t. Next week it will be a story about how the DBs are bad and can't create turnovers. Yes we've already seen that story but what else is there to write about? I feel for you Armando.

The thing that cracks me up is David Martin has been our biggest deep threat recently. I agree with Mando's point about the screens to Cobbs and using trickery to throw down field. All of this confirms my belief that we need to draft Crabtree and have him start along side Henne next year. If we continue lour losing ways, Henne will get some valuable reps this year and our chances at landing Crabtree will increase. Both lines, our secondary and linebackers could use a playmaker as well.

This idea that Pennington just throws 3 yard passes is just dumb. Obviously some aren't watching the games.

I think what we all really want after the last few seasons is a promise of an explosive offense with bombs down the field, no matter the result of the pass. That's why, especially for Phins fans, the Wildcat was so exciting because it gave a different type of explosive offense, something we haven't seen since "Reaganomics" was still a cool term to use. Now, I also think the Wildcat could be a staple in the Dolphins playbook, and I think it would work much better with Henne at the helm because of the deep threat (in addition to all the other fears that formation offers to defenses). But, I do think Henne would be a better player if he was able to watch everything from the bench and learn from the sidelines.
To respond to the article, the Dolphins do not have a traditional deep threat or a big passing game.

Pennington is doing a good job. Camarillo is his kind of receiver as is Bess. They can get open in small spaces for quick throws. The dolphins are using Ginn on offense like they were using Porter on defence last year. Ginn doesn't get open on the quick hit patterns. He will get open but it will be 25-30 yards down field and needs a strong arm to get him the ball into tight windows or deep down the field behind coverage. A long, high, arcing throw can't get to Ginn before a saftey can. Ginn won't make big plays in the passing game until Henne is throwing the ball.

Please cut the following player:

Pennington
Beck
Ginn
W. Allen
J. Allen
Lehan

That is all, thank you!

Uh huh, Ive been saying this since week 2, PLAY HENNE!!! the season is over as far as ANY hope for a playoff run is concerned. Play Henne now, find out if he has the skill set to be the leader/motivator that the Phins are looking for...this will allow us to evaluate the need/want for another QB to develop in this years draft.

Mr. Noodle arm is supposed to be a "Game manager" problem is that he isnt doing this. Game managers navigate thier team to long drives that end three ways, punt, fg, or td. How many drives of 8 or more plays have the Phins had this year compared to other teams in the league? If I had to guess I would say we are at the bottom of this stat...some game management going on there, you can look at the TOP stats a see that other teams keep the ball longer ON AVG than the Phins do:

NYJ 31:01
MIA 28:59 close, but so was the game...


MIA 28:06
ARZ 31:54


I think we won this won...
MIA 32:33
NE 27:27


Hmm, I see a recurring theme
SD 23:19
MIA 36:41


MIA 27:43
HOU 32:17


BAL 31:43
MIA 28:17


Now unless were scoring super fast(NE)we need to be winning the TOP (SD) game in order to win games.

Mr. Sparano just lost a bit of respect from me for his comments today, he knows better than anyone that WE DO NOT THROW DEEP...dont try and sweet talk me with all that "Were in the top 9 for plays over 20yrds..." BS

Can someone find out how many of Penningtons passes have even gone for 20yrds or more...completed or not?

Excitement sells tickets. Miami's offense is one of the most boring, if not the most boring offense in the league and it shows in our attendance. Even those who come to the game leave early, even if the dolphins are winning. This spells trouble if there is not a drastic change for more excitement in the dolphins games. We do not have any primetime games; that means that we are at the very bottom instead of being at the very top, as we use to be, in game excitement. We do not need more receivers. Our receivers are good, they just need a strong arm to showcase their talent. It is too bad that their coaches do not see it that way. GIVE THE PEoPLE WHAT THEY WANT! HENNE!

Salguero Sucks!

"Ask Obama its not important how you win but that you win even if you have to lie, cheat and steal on the way, works for a Marxist why not work for my Phins." Posted by: Vic

Get off this site you McCain loving piece of garbage

OK FOLKS LET'S GETREAL THEDOLPHINS ARENOT ABIGPLAY LONGBOMB OFENSE DAN HENNING LOVES TO USE3 TIGHTENDS LAST WEEK I SAW MARTN'FASANO'JOEY'PLAYING AT THE SAME TIME THATS WHY WILFORD AND HAGAN ARE INACTIVE THEY SUCK BUT ALSO THATS THE REASON'WHAT THE TEAM NEEDS TO DO IS RUN THE BALL MORE WITH RICKY AND RONNIE 'RONNIE MORE CAUSE RICKY CAN'T SEEM TO BREAK A TACKLE NO MORE /AND THROW THE BALL TO RONNIE FASANO MARTIN COBBS CAMARILLO UNDERNETH LET'S FACE IT CHAD P HAS A WEAK ARM'PARCELLS IN 1990 WON THE SUPERBOWL WITH STEPHEN BAKER AND MARK INGRAM LEADING THE RECIEVERS WITH 26 CATCHES APIECE SO THERE YOU GO TED GINN IS NOT A BUST IF HE GOES TO ANOTHER TEAM WATCH OUT HE JUST CAN'T PLAY WITH CHAD P AKA NOODLE ARM''WHEN CHAD HENNE GETS A FULL CAMP AS THE STARTER NEXT YEAR YOU'RE GONNA SEE TED PUT STEVE SMITH TYPE OF NUMBERS 'CHAD HENNE HAS THAT IT FACTOR THAT HE WILL BE A STAR FOR MIAMI 'BUT THIS YEAR GET READY FOR DINK AND DONK BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT CHADHENNING AND CHAD P LIKE TO DO.GO DOLPHINS DON'T GIVE UP ON THE YEAR FANS

i must admit that our offense is very boring and its tough to watch a weak armed qb dink and dunk the ball all the time. pennington leaves too many plays on the field and he was one of the main reasons why we lost against the ravens...he was responsible for a 14 point swing, he missed fasano in the endzone and giftwrapped 7 points to baltimore. he also audibled into that stupid running play on third and long in the red zone.

REMEMBER THE 45 YARD BOMB THAT CHAD HENNE THRU TO TED GINN IN THE JAGUARS PRESEASON GAME THAT'S WHATWE WILL SEE WHEN CHAD HENNE PLAYS NEXT YEAR.

Are all you "Ginn's a bust!" and "Our WR Corp suks and is the worst in the League!" whiners sure you want Henne under Center?

Either learn the BASIC principles of cause and effect or pray that Henne never gets on the field because the moment he does the ones spewing the above comments will look like absolute fools.

When Henne gets under Center,#19 Jersey sales will go through the roof!

Vic,

You clearly do not understand what a Marxist is so I would suggest not using that label with friends or in a classroom.

Will

Lets think future. Henne has to deal with hard situations right now, then, he will get more weapons. I like Pennington and he can keep being as starter as long as he wins games... otherwise start Henne. Thats thinking future

I think the passing offense is okay. You also need to look at the WRs themselves. I don't know much about Camarillo, he reminds me of Wes Welker, but he is not Wes Welker. Ginn is still a work in progress. I don't know why there is this sense that a rebuilding Dolphins, MUST get more balls downfield. I see drastic improvements NEEDING to be made on special teams tackling and our secondary remains suspect. What I want to see out of the offense is what it was meant to do, have Pennington manage the game and let the Ricky and Ronnie show plow through opponents. Yes it is simple and not fun to write about, but guess what? It is only year one of the Parcells/Sparano/Ireland era, give it time!

I am sorry to all of you people who dont believe anymore. I just am sick of hearing people say "put in henne" then what? we put in henne, our line lets him get pummeled. then what? I think everyone came in expecting more out of our dolphins. and Im betting pennington raised your expectations, and now your saying "take him out" Our obvious problem isnt throwing a deep ball, our biggest problem is stopping a deep ball. When we played the ravens I was just praying that the ravens would get some yards on 1st and 2nd down. because if it was third and long, they were no doubt completing the f ing pass. against the texans also. every time a qb drops back on us they complete the damn pass. Our offense is fine people. Even if henne was in and throwing long bombs, if our defense cant make a stop, then well never win. im sure you all would agree that if our defense could have made just 1 big play at the end of the texans game, then we would have 3 wins right now. we had 2 big chances to make a stop on fourth down to win the game. and we couldnt do it. when its 4th and ten and the qb throws to andre johnson, and andre fights for the ball and catches it, that shows you that the dolphins just didnt want it as bad as the texans did. and then on 4 th and goal, we dont have one guy in the middle. that would have never happened with zachy in the middle. The point is, our offense is the best it has been since ricky was the rushing leader in 02. last year we didnt even know who the qb would be, atleast this year we have a clear cut starter every week. With a year or two to develop, and maybe some good offseason aquisitions. chad henne will come in in a good situation, and be a leader. right now pennington is our leader, and i think he is doing a great job. if you want to find the problem with our fins, just look at the secondary. our run defense was number 2 over all before the baltimore game, so we know that is solid. but we have to get playmakers at the safety and corner positions. theres no way andre jonhnson converts that 4th and 10 on a player like polomaleau.(I think thats how to spell it)So please big tuna, make a move for ty law. give him what he wants, and get him on our defense. maybe he can instill confidence in some of our other guys. Ive always heard that cornerbacks and safetys are just recievers who cant catch, maybe we should put ginns ass over there.

mando your right.im a tru dolphin fan .as soon as we brought in chad p.i new we will win 5 games.he's an x jet.we hate the not yets.i understand we are rebuilding.but at least include henne in some plays .he is our future.henne can learn allot from chad p.and another thing trade john beck for k winslow.allot of us miami fans.see something in henne we havent seen since marino.I BLEED AQUA GO PHIN NATION

We are really trying to screw up a developing team. Throwing Henne in isn't going to change anything. Rolling the dice on this is ridiculous. I don't think Penne is playing poorly.
What wins Super Bowls and big games? Ball and clock control. That is a learned skill.
Throwing the ball doown the field and chewing up 2 minutes of the clock and then sending our d back on the field to get it's Butt kicked is not in our best interest. Sure it is exciting but has anyone watched a Cinci game. They scored bunches last year and still lost.
I don't want to rebuild forever so relax, let the Trifecta carry out it's plan.
We aren't a race horse. More like one of them Bud beer horses but a young one that is at the back of the team.
Please don't tell me that the team doesn't want to win. They do as much as anyone but to do it right they need to focus on the next 3.4 yards.

Children.

Why not try Henne in wildcat plays?

firedanhenningnow, I've seen every game this year and this myth of Camarillo and Ginn blowing by people is a laugh, and Dan marino agrees. I hope you are right about Henne, but we felt the same way about Beck this time last year too.

While I dont think the answer to the absolute lack of any vertical passing game is to put Henne in, I would like to see them at least take a shot. Have Pennington throw the ball as far as he can down the field as possible.

At the end of the Houston game, when we needed a Hail Mary, we ran some ridiculous 7th grade play at the end of the game instead of tossing it in the endzone.

Dont we have tight ends that are like 6'7" and 6'5" and WR that are 6'4", 6'4" and 6'2"? And we run a fade in the endzone to Camarillo?

I think Pennington gets locked on a receiver or a checkdown and goes with it. We NEVER throw the ball downfield, so teams dont even bother playing 2 deep coverage.

Throw the d--- ball up the field. Even as a threat. I dont care who throws it.

"Excitement sells tickets. Miami's offense is one of the most boring, if not the most boring offense in the league and it shows in our attendance."

Just another stupid comment from the james bond wannabe. WINNING sell tickets and Miami's offense has been the talk of the NFL with the wildcat dummy.

Understand we all want to see the "deep ball" but we're just not going to get it with Pennington. If you'll remember the pre-season and mop up duty in AZ, Henne made the wide outs look somewhat good. But, Pennington gives them the best chance for this year. Enough whinning already, you sound like a jet fan!

Pennington makes himself look good, that's about it!! 3 yard passes all day!!!
Dont get me wrong, i like him and I think Henne Should learn more, but i hate when it's 3rd and 8 and we all know a 2 yard pass is coming, that just pisses me off!!!
I dont know why Tony Sparano hasn't replaced Goodman?? Jason Allen is on deck!! I'm sure he'd do better!!

Somebody just mention tickets??
I've been trying to get tickets for the games but it seems like the good seats are sold already, but when i watch the game i see those seats empty just like my stomach when i get back from work!

ive been saying this for a while..untill he heeves it out there, no secondary is going to respect the deep threat. Just take a shot out there to keep them honest.the real reason why the wild cat is part of our game plan is to compensate for or limitations. I like the wild cat now you pair it up with an effective deep ball and its MC Hammer time...Cant touch this..

I WAS AT THE RAVENS GAME AND GINN WAS CONSISTENTLY BLOWING PAST MAN. PROBLEM IS PENNINGTON CAN'T THROW THE BALL DOWNFIELD AND HE IS ALWAYS LOCKED ON THE FU**ING JOURNYMAN (CAMARILLO) WHO IS GETTING WAY TOO MANY BALLS THROWN HIS WAY. NOODLE ARM IS WHAT HE IS A DINK AND DUNK PASSER, HE DEFINATELY HAS THE WORST ARM IN THE LEAGUE.

PLAY HENNE AND THESE GUYS WHO DON'T KNOW ANYTHINK ABOUT FOOTBALL WILL NOT BE CALLING TED GINN A BUST ANYMORE

Armando, being only .27 pass plays >20 yards better than a 1-15 team does not bode very well to me… Pennington has been knocked for years over his arm strength so I don’t see this coming as a big surprise. I would like to see these stats again but based on the number of >20 yard plays in each game. If my memory serves me correct, we completed several early in the NE game and got them completely off balance by doing so. Against the Ravens we did not get anything going deep even when the receivers were open and their defense began to disregard the deep pass allowing them to stack the box shutting down the wildcat and the run game.

The point is without a vertical passing threat it is hard to keep teams honest and the offense becomes one dimensional. While Pennington is a better QB than we have seen since Jay Fiedler I don’t know if that is saying much. The question is should Henne be given a chance now in stead of spending a season learning? I think this question will work itself out in the next couple games, not by a coaching decision but because Pennington has not completed a full season in how many years?

I can't believe some people are calling for Henning. This is a team being built from the foundation. I wouldn't want to see Henning in a game till the last three or four of the season. You put him in now, and you'll get a John Beck, or Joey Harrington or David Carr.

Alright i have lived in michigan my whole life and been a dolphins fan basically just as long. Being a huge Michigan football fan i know Chad Henne will do just fine as our Phins starting QB but i have to agree with the select few who dont want to see Henne this year. Henne should sit back and watch the speed of the game, the different defensive schemes etc etc. If Chad P. gets injured well Mr. Henne time to step up and take you starting spot till then learn the plays perfect them and come out slinging the ball down the field next year...And please mr. parcells lets get some DB's in the draft and in free agency i know its got to turn your stomach to watch Nick "the bolting" Saban's Secondary blow coverage after coverage!

Mando, you are oblivious once again. You should concentrate on why we are losing which is more about GIVING UP the big pass play. Our offense needs work, but we score enough to win. We need to replace Goodman, Renaldo Hill and maybe even Will Allen, eventually.

Vic great post, Bozo, your name is appropriate

Moneyjacket: I wrote an entire column on the defense and giving up plays after the baltimore game. So I think I'm aware of the defensive shortcomings.

Westernfin: I would never presume to give my opinion of myself because my folks taught me pride is dangerous and modesty is a virtue. So whatever your or anyone else's opinion is would be fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

And my opionion is this article is horrible. Mando, you should write in some fashion magazine. We all knew what Chad Penn. was before he got here. Of course we aren't going deep with CP as our QB. IT WAS COMPLETELY EXPECTED. Except to those children who actually thought we could win this year.

Fashion Mando... Fashion is your calling

Armando..Do you think it's all Penni,all Henning,a receiver problem or a problem with all three?

I assume youre at most if not all the games...is our OL giving Penni time to go through his reads,are our receivers getting open downfield,does Penni seem to lock on one guy and go with or what?

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