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To pull the trigger on Roy Williams trade or not?

The situation begs attention: The Dolphins, for all their fine work the past two games, still don't scare anyone in the passing game. It's not so much that they don't have good receivers -- we can agree Anthony Fasano and Greg Camarillo are good pass-catchers.

It's just that Miami has no dynamic pass catchers.

And that is where the name Roy Williams pops to mind.

Williams is the Detroit Lions receiver who becomes a free agent at the end of this season. There are rumors circulating out of Detroit that despite Williams' desire to remain with the team, the club will try to move him before the Oct. 14 trade deadline.

So, of course, we at Dolphins In Depth must jump into the fray and remind everyone of Miami's stated stance in all such matters: 1. The Dolphins turn over every rock for available talent, suggesting they have studied Williams and have at least thought about the idea of reaching out to Detroit to gauge what is fact and fiction. 2. The Dolphins aren't in the business of giving up draft picks, which suggests even if Williams is available wholesale the Dolphins would likely pass.

But that is the point. Williams is probably available wholesale. Sure, the Lions would want a high pick. But he's not fetching a first or second round pick unless a bidding war ensues. Remember Detroit gets nothing for the guy if he become a free agent.

So would the Dolphins give up a third-round pick for a 26-year-old receiver who would immediately upgrade the Miami receiver corps and perhaps help the Dolphins take a giant leap on offense?

Would you?

Personally, I don't see this happening. Too many loose ends to tie, such as getting Williams to agree to a new contract to make sure he doesn't become a free agent next season. But fans should love the idea. It offers your team the opportunity to add a receiver whose career statistics are quite good and include a 1,310 yard season in 2006.

Not too many of those available out there and definitely none available in next year's draft because everyone in that group is unproven.

So what should the Dolphins do?

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Also, what would you all think if the name being thrown around were Andre Johnson instead of Roy Williams? How would that change your thought process, if at all?

I would pass and see if the Lions are successful in trading him. Even if they are not and he becomes a free agent, then we can pursue him. Giving up draft picks is a huge mistake. We need to build this team with youth and cheaper contracts. Also, we need to give the current receivers on the roster time to develop as they are inexperienced and have potential. It's not like Williams is the missing link and we are one player away from the Super Bowl. We still have to many holes to be mortgaging the future for instant gratification.

For a 3rd rounder for sure. The addition of Williams automatically make the WR position solid with Williams, Ginn, Camarillo and Bess. Forget Hagan and Wilford. Throw them in ther deal and reduce it to a 4th/.

Williams would be an asset but only for the deal. If I were the trifecta I would give a 6th, John Beck and my wife, not necessarily in that order.

I say go get him and get a 4yr deal done.Send them beck and bess if thats what it takes.

LMAO............Lon time dolphan great stuff!!

NO DISRESPECT TO CHRIS CHAMBERS BUT WILLIAMS WOULD BE THE BEST WELL ROUNDED RECIEVER THAT THE DOLPHINS HAS SEEN SINCE DUPER AND CLAYTON.

SPEAKIN OF CHAMBERS, TAKE A LOOK AT HOW HE IMPROVED THE CHARGERS ALREADY BEASTING OFFENCE AS SOON AS HE STEPPED IN THE LOCKER ROOM. WE WILL BE GETTIN THE SAME PLUS MORE IN WILLIAMS. CASE CLOSED AND SHUT. PULL DA TRIGGER PARCELS. YOU DID IT WITH T OWENS IN DALLAS

CAN ANYONE EVEN TELL ME Y WE SHOULDNT GET THIS GUY BESIDES IF HE DEMANDS SERIOUS CASH. I THINK NOT

LEADING RECIEVER STATS THIS TEAR(WEEK 5):

GREG JENNINGS: 569 REC.YARDS

BRANDON MARSHAL: LEADING ALL RECIEVERS WITH 34 RECEPTIONS(ONLY BUSH AND WITTEN HAS MORE BUT THEY'RE NOT RECIEVERS

where do the dolphins stand? il gladly tell u.

CAMARILLO LEADS RECEPTIONS WITH 17

CAMARILLO LEADS REC YARDS WITH 214.
(AND HE ISNT EVEN THE MAIN GUY)

IS THAT WHAT THE DOLPHINS ARE GONNA SETTLE FOR?
WE CAN COUNT ON A RECIEVER BEING SIGNED BEFORE OCT 14. PARCELS TOLD ME LOL

Hey H. Wayne! The dart is definetly still stuck in the middle of the board:) Go outside the box and grab WR Brandon Rideau. So glad the Dolphins know how to turn the corner on a dime. Having Bell and Brown back, a new refound attitude in the players and the will to be better from top to bottom = success!

I like both TJ and Roy Williams as free agents. I'd rather not trade for either one of them.

Big Slap Shot Bob, Williams didn't have a great year last year so he doesn't have a big year to sell himself on.

I would do that deal in a heartbeat, Roy is a talent,

Today's trades are going to be more complex than seasons before. After watching as many ending season injuries like that on Tom Brady, the whole NFL is more worried about depth charts. If Detroit thinks that they are out playoff chances, then they could be planning 2009 more carefully. They should be working on restructure Roy's contract or searching for trade partners and maybe a 3rd doesn't sounds too bad for them, but they won't admit it mostly because they expect a bigger value in return.
Perhaps it's not a draft pick they would, but another player to clear the soft image of this team. I love Ricky as part of our two headed monster, but he could serve as trade bait for this, another option is John Beck who could be involved in this, mostly because front office wants to deal him, creating many trade scenarios.

WOW..i cant belive so many of you, are experts, trade this 1 fer that 1..and so on..team needs defensive back ups, also every position on team, where do you get them at?? in late rounds of draft, guys who have been passed up, but was stars in college but because of positions on team, they end up as backups..how many guys get hurt in season??..does that count??.i wonder..guys are stars in their own right..and whos to say that same guy will play as good on tunas team, as he did on bad team..if they pay him too much money he could be bust..how many times have you seen that???.collage draft is nice..but late round picks work out, super stars dont..for what ever reason..you sign a guy to contract, and hes knows that if he dont perform, hes not gonna get cut..you take unknown and give him chance to prove him self and he does..but because he new, when does he play, as backup..some times coaches stick too long, with super star, and unknown is still sitting on bench.thats PRO Football.so you have waisted most of season, trying to get super star going, and losing valued time with unknown,just because hes not 1st round some body.what round was marino picked in, 1st round, no 9 i think..cant remember..and 1st yr was not great..so it took 2 yrs to see him as super star..so i still belive that kid on bench woulda done better job, than super star.in 1st yr..but thats chance you take..just a thought..THEY CALL ME RICK.

The Patriots got Moss for a 4th rounder.....Williams is worth a shot for no more than a 6th....

For a 3rd round pick you have to make this deal, contingent on signing him to an extension right away. I wouldn't do it if he Williams would sign up for a couple of years. He's young and proven in this league, and he would be a constant threat on a team that doesn't have one.

Look if the Lions were willing to take back Ted Ginn and/or John Beck (former 1st and 2nd round picks) and a future pick then maybe I make this trade. But quite honestly getting a WR before next year's draft isn't going to dramatically change this team's prospects for this season. If they could swing a deal to bring in an elite CB... now *that* would have a much bigger impact on their more immediate fortunes. Otherwise there isn't a whole lot of incentive to go after a guy who they could just as easily pursue in FA. Whatever happens the rest of this season the Dolphins have already clearly demonstrated they're heading in the right direction so why mortgage any potential future assets now? We've already seen that Parcells will be aggressive in FA, he may not always get the right guy but he's not going to sit idly by either.

trade for WR Roy Willams I'd trade for Williams in a heart beat he is a top 10 WR in the LEAGUE. Miami Dolphins can use a top 10 WR for Pennignton and the other QB form Michigan.

I would say give the recievers that are here already the rest of the season and see how they peform. At the end of the season if the recievers are still a weakness you go out and sign Roy Williams in the offseason.

T. Martin, I have two major issues with what you wrote. First, I sincerely disagree that adding Roy Williams "isn't going to dramatically change this teams prospects for the season". To date we have a .500 record and are coming off wins against the two AFC championship game participants from a year ago. Mind you they are both missing key players on their teams, but we will disregard that for the sake of the argument. We won both of those games despite not having a true #1 WR on the team. That isn't going to happen all year long. I think we can all agree that at best right now we're looking at an 8-8 team this year with the Dolphins. Now think back to when Chambers was here and remember all those passes that were missed on fly routes, post patterns, slants, and hooks because of poor QB play and leaky O-lines. Roy is dealing with that right now in Detroit. He has the ability to dominate games! He's big, fast, strong, and as evidenced by countless ESPN top ten play highlights can make the spectacular catch look effortless. If we add a guy like him to our team than you're looking at the N.Y. football Giants of S. Florida. Capable of playing any type of game whether it's a physical run style with tons of play action, or throwing the ball all over to a big physical WR (Williams) or a pass catching TE (Fasano), or the speedy 2nd WR (Ginn), or even the sure handed possesion WR (Camarillo). My point is that teams have to respect a dominant WR with size like him. It shifts coverage to one side of the field and allows for one on one match-ups.

My second point is that free agency is rediculous and if you can avoid a bidding war with multiple teams and work something out now for even a 2nd round pick I would do it. Williams is a proven WR who is just entering his prime. There is no guarantee that any draft pick will turn out to be a good one, let alone a great one. So we had one good draft under Parcells and Ireland. It doesn't mean that they'll all be good. For every good player to come out there are ten busts. The chances of us landing an impact player of Roy Williams caliber with that particular pick that we would have to give up are slim to none. Now of course you would want to increase your chances by giving up the lowest pick possible in order to have more players to choose from when you do pick, but that's a no brainer.

So again, don't say that we can just wait. Impact players aren't easy to get. I know some people like to say that WRs are a dime a dozen, but that just isn't true. A team is lucky to have ONE. It's the teams that get really lucky and have two that end up giving one away in order to fix something else or because they can't afford both. If Roy is available and we can work out a deal to get him and sign him to a contract extension, then we should do it. Adding a guy like that could easily be the difference in a game like the season opener where we're a big body with a pair of great hands away from winning a game!!!

Dolphins don't have a top 10 WR I'd make the deal right now for Riy Williams to give both Chad's another WR with Ted Ginn, JR since we traded Chambers to San Diego there is not a top 10 WR the Miami Dolphins can use a top 10 wr

I say don't do it unless the price is right. Maybe a Fourth round pick and a contract with Williams that isn't going to break the bank. Buying a team is what got us in all this trouble to begin with. I would much rather build the team through the draft.

Just ask yourself this: How high of a draft pick should the Dolphins be willing to give in order to prevent Roy Williams from ending up in Ney York with Farvre.

The problem with draft picks is that they come with a big question mark attached to them. Maybe this, maybe that. Trading a draft pick for proven talent is a good thing. For Miami or any other team it comes down to what will this guy cost per year, bonus money and will his mentaliy mesh with what you have going on with a young team. It's not just about what draft pick you give up. Can you sign him for and get quality for the dollar. Miami really isn't ready for high priced players. They are still building and need one more solid year of draft picks coming in. Williams would have to agree to a Miami sided contract before a trade would be worked out. Giving up big money at this point is not something the Phins are ready to do. If the price is right and it's a third round pick Miami would pull the trigger on the trade. No sure Williams personality fits with Miami. He is a quiet talent that Parcell's likes... but is he the work ethic talen Parcell likes? Doubtful.

He is not going to pick up the offense fast enough and develop chemistry with Chad this year. Just wait till free agency and save the draft pick. We got a starter in 3rd this year. Hopefully we'll get another next year.

I just want to remind you that a top reciever (forget top 10 and focus on top 30) is something we haven't had since irving Fryar and if you want to look at great receiver not since Mark clayton.

We are not the GM/VP, and they have much more experience/knowledge than we do. but the Oline and Dline look good, the RB's and TE's look good and the QB's look better than we have had since Wannie said I do (and Dolpins nation said oh no). now we need a WR and some Db's. whether the trifecta uses the draft, free agency or street players we have to believe they know what the heck they are doing. Bill has proved it with 5 teams now - we are lucky he is leading us in the right direction...

I call Detroit and offer a third for Roy only if I can arrange a contract extension with him. If they say no, then I tell them thanks, we'll get him in the off season.

The reason the braintrust won't make this trade, and trust me, they will NOT. Is that they would have to sign Roy to a 4 or 5 year deal at roughly what Javon Walker got in Oakland 5 years like 60 mil(thanks for overpaying him, CryptKeeper). So now Roy's agent will want that or more. If we draft a 2nd round pick or 3rd rounder that pans out, which our scouts have done a decent job so far, then we'll get a 21 or 22 year old who is on the books those same 4-5 years for ONE-FIFTH of the price tag. Remember their overall philosophy. Having said that I would love to see Roy in a Phins uni. No. 11 would look good catching 1-handed passes for us.

Why not take a shot at both TJ and Williams there nothing wrong with having two nice WR because all of the WR we have now are all 3rd choice reciever. That would be a hell of a Tadem to work with and make the run game open way up!!! I do agree Peny is proven he will be the QB for the fins at least 4 to 5 years!!!

do not even think of tradinf john beck plus a 3rd for r.williams

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