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On Salguero's All Pro ballot and more

Still in New York where the fallout from last night's Dolphins victory is already being felt.

Seems the Dolphins not only beat the Jets, they broke the Jets. Eric Mangini has been fired and speculation is rampant that Brett Favre is retiring (again). GM Mike Tannenbaum remains. I tell you guys this because the AFC East is like a pond and the shaking in New York ripples in Miami.

If Mangini's coaching staff is cut loose, I would hope the Dolphins explore hiring special teams coach Mike Westhoff. Yes, I realize the Dolphins have a special teams coach, but Westhoff is in a class by himself and Miami's special teams were merely mediocre this season, even after a late-season improvement.

Moreover, there is continued talk of Bill Parcells being a possibility here because the story about his possible pending free agency is making the rounds.

And while Gotham's AFC team is surrounded by chaos, the Dolphins are plugging along toward a playoff meeting with Baltimore. Not much happening at this hour. There will be a press conference around 12:30ish by Tony Sparano.

Speaking of coach, I turned in my ballot to the Associated Press for All Pro and postseason awards last night. As promised, I voted for Sparano as coach of the year. I voted for Chad Pennington as comeback player of the year.

While outstanding and inspiring, Pennington does not get my MVP vote because, simply, I think Peyton Manning is a better candidate. He put a team on his back in the face of numbing injuries to his offensive line, running back and receiver corps. And he did it without having any time in training camp and while still recovering from knee surgery.

Enough said.

You'll notice I did not vote for Joey Porter as an All Pro. I felt he faded late in the season and couldn't give him the nod over DeMarcus Ware or James Harrison at outside linebacker. Yes, I know Harrison had 1.5 fewer sacks. But he had more forced fumbles, more interceptions, more passes defensed and over twice as many more tackles than Porter.

I voted for Harrison for Defensive Player of the Year. I'm sure some of you will agree with me. I'm sure some of you will disagree. Anyway, here is my ballot:   

OFFENSE:

   

WR (2): Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald.

TE (1) Tony Gonzalez.

T (2) Ryan Clady, Jordan Gross.

G (2) Chris Snee, Steve Hutchinson.

C (1) Kevin Mawae.

QB (1): Peyton Manning.

RBs (2): Adrian Peterson (Minn.), Michael Turner.

FBs (1): Le’Ron McClain.

Place Kicker (1): Rob Bironas.

Kick Returner (1): Clifton Smith (Tampa).

   

DEFENSE:

   

DE (2):  John Abraham, Jared Allen.

DT (2): Albert Haynesworth, Kevin Williams (Minn.).

OLB (2): DeMarcus Ware, James Harrison.

ILB (2): Jon Beason, Barrett Ruud.

CB (2): Cortland Finnegan, Charles Woodson.

S (2): Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu.

Punter (1): Shane Lechler.

The awards:

Most Valuable Player: Peyton Manning

Comeback Player: Chad Pennington

Defensive Rookie: Jerod Mayo

Offensive Rookie: Matt Ryan.

Defensive Player:  James Harrison

Offensive Player: Phillip Rivers

Coach: Tony Sparano

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Does anyone know what the word is with David Martin? What was his injury?

A little off topic but I think the dolphins should try and draft Pat White, move him over to WR like a Hines Ward. And plug him into the Wildcat offensive gameplan.

Take off the Orange and Aqua colored glasses you homers. Chad has had a nice season and is the only reason we are here. However, Peyton has had a better year and is the only reason the Colts are where they are. Also Harrison is prob the single best defensive player in the league at this point. There is more to being a LB than sacks.

Who did Ryan Clady faced besides Joey Porter??? Look at the matchup that Jake Long faced,,, Mario Williams, Chris Long, willie mcginest, and vernon gholston,,, just kidding about vernon gholston

Jake Long gave up a couple of sacks in the first few games of the year. Since then, none. He knew, coming in, that he'd have to develop a bit with his pass blocking. Mission accomplished as he shut down everyone after the 1st 1/4 of the season. He has always been a dominant run blocker and that showed all year. He seemed to be always moving people while run blocking.
Jordan Gross gave up 3 sacks and had eight penalties - and he missed a game due to a headache. I don't really know where he came from on your list.
Ryan Clady gave up two fewer sacks than Long but he can't compare to Long as a run blocker. The Broncos have no running game and Clady is part of that problem.
Armando, what did you see in Clady that made you think he deserved All-Pro over Long?
You said Porter faded toward the end of the season (true). That cost him in your eyes.
Didn't Long become dominant after just a few games? Where was Clady in the Denver run game? It looked to me that he was backpedaling whether he was pass blocking OR run blocking.

Rivers over Brees, you have got to be kidding me! I suppose you were in full agreement with Saban about Culpepper over Brees also! Brees has 1/2 the weapons Rivers does and the defences of the 2 teams aren't even close!

Your Kidding right who does Rivers really have besides,Jackson,LT,Chambers (coughs)and Gates

Brees has Colston,Henderson,Bush,Shockey,DMac,David Patton,Lance Moore,Piere Thomas,Also even though he has been injury plauged Bush has had more receptions than LT the past 3 years

Rivers back ups dont even compare to what Brees has to work with.

Hands down Chad is the MVP. What is wrong with you media guys!Peyton Manning had a SB team around him and Probowl receivers. Who did Chad have?

OK then Jon, I'm wondering what your (or anybody else's) argument is for Chad Pennington being the "Most Valuable Player" in the entire NFL. Dolphins, yes. But the league?

First, I just want to thank you for showing us your official ballot. I don't know alot of writers who reveal their ballots and in some way, I feel special! Thanks!

Anyway, I respect all of your picks. I think Chad Pennington needs more light shining his way, but there's no doubt I have bias. Same wiht Porter (although Ware is a no-brainer for OLB's). Maybe Porter as comeback player?

I have to say I disagree with Manning as MVP. Obviously, I'll try to hold my bias aside, but how about DeAngelo Williams? Where would the Panthers be without him? And teams know what to expect when they play the Panthers, but none can stop him. Maybe Matt Ryan? Troy Polamalu...then again, maybe not. Although he deserves something.

Or maybe I'll just stick with the easy answer: Chad Pennington.

Mando: I know this is off subject, but man, I would like for you to start a petition that Parcells negotiates with Ross to extend his 'walk away' clause for at least 1 more year. Dont allow Huizenga to mess up something he finally got right with this team!!! We need him to stay for at least one more year, just to 'supervise' and insure that his predecessors are 'Totally' ready. ONE MORE YEAR, at least. (would be better if he stayed for entire contract) Thanx NCFINFAN

So here is my latest and greatest prediction... and I am hoping people disagree with me. Buy your tickets for the Super Bowl now.
Miami will beat the Ravens.
Miami will beat the Steelers, mostly due to Big Bens head injury. I foresee a lot of interceptions. Remember the year after his motorcycle accident.
That should leave either Indy or Tennesse. Both are tough games. If it is Indy we are at home Tennesse is on the road. I can't explain why I think they will win, just call it blind faith. I BELIEVE.

I own the Cuban Menace

Phillip Rivers??? That one must've been a typo!

all we got to do keep the tuna!!!!!!!!!!

for reals man penn.. should be the mvp this year

plus the pro bowl is comming to miami in 4 years


Maybe its just me but I am getting tired of seeing so many QB's get the MVP award. I know they touch the ball the most (beside the center) but come on....there are so many great players that are extremely valuable to their team (even when they don't have the ball). This QB heavy MVP race needs to change in my opinon. And how many people already know that Peyton is very important to his team....I think that is established. With that established can we look at someone beside him that is MVP worthy?

BTW Mando, thanks for sharing your ballot with us especially knowing how much criticism you open yourself up to. I am not going to argue with your picks because its trivial. These are your picks and I respect that. I like the majority of your picks, especially the comeback player of the year award.

Thank you for not being a homer and including JPorter. As great as a season as he's had, Ware (20 sacks) and Harrison were better and more well-rounded. While Porter had more sacks, Harrison made more than twice as many tackles.

Westhoff's special teams did botch a FG and get a punt blocked against Miami didn't they?

Sorry, he's a good special teams coach but I don't see the greatness from years ago anymore. I think he's a popular pick and a name guy but it's not as if his special teams are always tops anymore because they're not. Sometimes a player like Leon Washington makes you look good. Westhoff has had plenty of down seasons on special teams including in Miami his last few years there.

That being said I respect the man and what he's done in his career and what he's overcome personally in his life. That doesn't mean he's the best fit for the Dolphins on special teams heading into 2009.

John Bonamego improved the special teams down the stretch with the help of acquiring Erik Walden who has become a standout and Cobbs who gave us a lift on kick returns. We wanted Ginn to focus more on being a WR and it paid off Sunday. His two big plays were key plays in the Jets game. No question. Bonamego earned another season unless his unit fails miserably next week against the Ravens.

I meant botched an extra point. My bad. : )

Another off topic post, but what is the deal with everyone saying Miami had a weak schedule. Here are the Playoff teams' opponents' average winning percentages:

San Diego Chargers 8-8 .516
Arizona Cardinals 9-7 .486
Philadelphia Eagles 9-6-1 .510
Minnesota Vikings 10-6 .496
*Atlanta Falcons 11-5 .455
Miami Dolphins 11-5 .461
Baltimore Ravens 11-5 .521
Carolina Panthers 12-4 .484
Indianapolis Colts 12-4 .494
Pittsburgh Steelers 12-4 .525
New York Giants 12-4 .502
*Tennessee Titans 13-3 .455

As you'll notice two teams have had weaker opponents than the Dolphins, the Titans and the media darlings the Falcons. But all the media can talk about is the Dolphins weak schedule. Where do these experts get their numbers?

Mike Westhoff is considered one of the top 5 special teams coach in the NFL by anybody who knows what is going on.

As to the wrong idea his teams are not tops anymore ... The jets were No. 7 in the NFL in punt returns, No. 7 in kickoff coverage and were superior to the Dolphins in every special teams category you can imagine, including opponents field goals made.

Please let's get the facts right if you're going to argue a point.

Mando;

Speaking of facts, how can you vote Rivers as Offensive Player of the Year and pick Manning as the QB?

I believe they play the same position. Dude, that makes ZERO sense.

P.S. Rivers looked real good against the Fins this season. You catch that one?

Armando, that's this year. Care to go back and list Westhoff's seasons with the Dolphins? Do you remember great special teams during the Marino era? I don't! In fact they were horrible at times.

Westhoff's special teams had two blunders in the biggest game of the year for them Sunday. No?

One more thing, do you think players have anything to do with it?

Shula was once one of the very best head coaches in the league too. Time runs its course.

If you think Westhoff makes something out of nothing than good luck with that. Players make tackles and blocks and returns, not coaches. That coaching position is overrated. As if he's the only one that can coach special teams. What about the other 31 teams? Who was ranked 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 in those areas you mentioned? Come on!

When is the last time a team with Westhoff as the special teams coach won a Super Bowl? Maybe he's not that big of a deal.

Bungle, I appreciate the passion in your argument. But that's all it has. It is devoid of facts.

On the one hand you are dismissing the fact Westhoff's teams were BETTER than Miami's THIS YEAR, and on the other hand you're suggesting, "time has run its course," on Westhoff. I would tell you THIS YEAR is the only one that matters, my friend.

He was better than John Bonameego THIS YEAR.

Then you argue players are the ones that make the tackles and so on, but blame Westhoff for a botched hold on a PAT. Come on, man! You can't have it both ways.

And by the way, do you remember reading how the Dolphins spent much of the offseason addressing special teams? Do you know how many times the Dolphins have brought in players to help specifically on special teams? Then you make it seem like Miami pays no attention to adding talent to special teams. Again, you make no sense.

Look, if you think the guy with the better results and better resume and better reputation is the inferior coach, then there is nothing I can say to convince you.

Mike, the AP voting allows picking one QB as the starter and even the MVP and using another as the offensive player of the year. That's how it makes sense.

P.S. Rivers played 15 other games in addition to the Miami game. When it was over, he tied Drew Brees with an NFL-best 34 TD passes despite having 100 fewer attempts. He also led the NFL in QB rating and he threw for 4,000 yards. You catch those games?

"When you can't line up and beat somebody one-on-one ... whatever. I guess when you go from worst to first you have to do stuff like that." - Orlando Pace, who chose the Jests over the Fins during the off season!.... Can you say sour grapessss?

As for the you picks Armando, Chad is the MVP. I know Rivers has more TD's and Manning kept the Colts from falling apart after week three. However, without Chad the 'fins are a win team at best.

I agree with you about Porter but you missed the boat on Jake. He showed maturation and consistency as the season went along.

* 'fins are a 5 win team w/o CP.

Plus I would LOVE to have Westoff back. JJ ran him out of town for no reason, only because he was Shula's guy. If the Jets are stupid enough to let him go, he won't be out of a job for long!

Thats what i put on the Jets Blog in the NY post. hope you fellow dolphans enjoy!!

J-E-T-S SUCK SUCK SUCK.

Oh the taste of victory, you jets fans are all flip floppers 5 weeks ago you were so confident that you had the division with Brett the sad excuse of a jet.
Then you all choked as always. Like the mets for the last 2 years. They've been bounced by the Marlins 2 years straight on the last game...doesn't it suck? Typical NY team. the one time they've won a championship is w/ the Gmen (whom i respect) The jets haven't won since Namath. The Mets since Gooden. And the Knicks since Riley (miami president and GM).
The jets can't even get their own stadium. Not to mention the stadium they play in isn't even in the state of N.Y. You had to get a 34 year old corner to attempt to cover recievers. OVERPAID Faneca. INEFFECTIVE Jenkins.
Brett Favre's so old you time his 40 Yd. dash with a sun dial.
you should keep Mangina and do the rest of the teams in the AFC east a favor and stay in the cellar where you belong.
As for the Pats, Props on the 11-5 record with all the injuries, but good luck keeping Cassel AND Brady. (not gonna Happen)
So the Magic City Of Miami wants to thank you for your generous contributions to the Miami Dolphins Organization not to mention your mind blowing greediness tied in to priceless ignorance for Chad Pennington and his services, not only did you give us an All Pro QB but a mentor for Chad Henne as well. Revenge is a dish best served cold for Chad, and mid 60's is good enough.

City That Never Sleeps huh?
After that monumental collapse?
I dont blame you guys for not being able to sleep.

Go Phins.


Thats what i put on the Jets Blog in the NY post. hope you fellow dolphans enjoy!!

J-E-T-S SUCK SUCK SUCK.

Oh the taste of victory, you jets fans are all flip floppers 5 weeks ago you were so confident that you had the division with Brett the sad excuse of a jet.
Then you all choked as always. Like the mets for the last 2 years. They've been bounced by the Marlins 2 years straight on the last game...doesn't it suck? Typical NY team. the one time they've won a championship is w/ the Gmen (whom i respect) The jets haven't won since Namath. The Mets since Gooden. And the Knicks since Riley (miami president and GM).
The jets can't even get their own stadium. Not to mention the stadium they play in isn't even in the state of N.Y. You had to get a 34 year old corner to attempt to cover recievers. OVERPAID Faneca. INEFFECTIVE Jenkins.
Brett Favre's so old you time his 40 Yd. dash with a sun dial.
you should keep Mangina and do the rest of the teams in the AFC east a favor and stay in the cellar where you belong.
As for the Pats, Props on the 11-5 record with all the injuries, but good luck keeping Cassel AND Brady. (not gonna Happen)
So the Magic City Of Miami wants to thank you for your generous contributions to the Miami Dolphins Organization not to mention your mind blowing greediness tied in to priceless ignorance for Chad Pennington and his services, not only did you give us an All Pro QB but a mentor for Chad Henne as well. Revenge is a dish best served cold for Chad, and mid 60's is good enough.

City That Never Sleeps huh?
After that monumental collapse?
I dont blame you guys for not being able to sleep.

Go Phins.

You put Chad Pennington on the Colts this year, they don't win as many games as with manning.

You put manning on the dolphins they win more games than they did with pennington.

You people wanting chad over manning are good fans and all but you don't know anything about football.

Mando Im shocked you dont back Chad for MVP.

Heres some stats (I stole from another site) that back up Chad over Peyton:

"Peyton Manning’s name has been tossed into the MVP ring, and he certainly played very well this year. But Pennington outclassed Manning this year in every major efficiency category, including completion percentage (67.4 to 66.8), yards per attempt (7.7 to 7.2), TD:INT ratio (2.7 to 1 vs. 2.3 to 1) and passer rating (97.4 to 95.0).

Additionally, Manning did not spark any kind of improvement in his team. The 2007 Colts were 13-3 division champs who scored 450 points on offense. The 2008 Colts are a 12-4 wildcard team that scored a mediocre 377 points. Pennington, meanwhile, sparked a dramatic turnaround in his team’s fortunes and enters the playoffs as division champ."

In other words, Peyton had help in a hall of fame receiver and established all pro receivers while Chad is throwing the ball to still backup caliber wide receivers London, Bess, Camarillo, Ginn. You are way off base my brother.

I find this Ryan Clady over Jake Long stuff to be ridiculous. Sure maybe Clady may be a bit better agains the pass 2.5 sacks allowed for Long vs Clady one sack allowed or whatever. But Denver could not run the ball all year. Meanwhile Long was graded as all universe against the run by experts, he had an off the street guy starting at guard beside him for a quarter of the year, they insituted an offense unseen in the NFL in generations, and had two running backs - one off an ACL injury, and one who hasn't played in years. Can we stop the Long ignorefest in this area, please? The guy came in with so much pressure as the #1 pick and a huge contract, and virutally no support along the line and played stellar left tackle - one of the difficult positions in the game. Can we get him some love, please????

Armando, you're misreading what I'm saying. The Jets have better special teams players than us by the way. We've been lacking in depth there all year. Our coverage units improved the day we picked up Erik Walden.

My point about the Jets special teams botching an XP and getting a punt blocked was to point out it's not about the coach. He couldn't stop that from happening. He can't make a kick or punt return happen either. So when is it about Westhoff? When does he get the credit and when does he get the blame? That's why I say that coaching position is overrated.

Keith Armstrong got criticized a lot in Miami but one or two years his special teams units ranked in the top 5. Then other years they ranked at the bottom. Why is that? Did he forget what he was doing? It's the talent on the field.

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