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Is Ginn over Quinn the pick you make today?

Got on an American Airlines flight out of Miami to Tampa Monday afternoon, as I am spending the next seven days of my life covering my 18th Super Bowl.

So who was on the same flight?

Brady Quinn ...

The Cleveland Browns quarterback ...

... The guy who should have been the Dolphins quarterback after the 2007 draft.

Aside from the fact Quinn was flying coach and that seemed odd to me -- he's a millionaire -- I got to thinking how things would be different today if Randy Mueller and Cam Cameron had picked Quinn and not Ted Ginn Jr. in April of 2007.

Had that happened, it is possible 1-15 might never have happened. It is also likely 11-6 might never have happened because I believe Quinn might have played better than John Beck did in 2007 and then-owner Wayne Huizenga might have been less likely to pull the plug on Cameron and Co. after one season -- thus ensuring 2008 would not have been the success it was.

But forget what the pick meant to fate for a second. Consider the pick as it was, straight up, and tell me if you would make the same choice today given the same set of circumstances. If you are sitting with 15 minutes on the draft day clock and have both Brady Quinn and Ted Ginn Jr. on the board, knowing what you know today about both players, which do you pick?

Do you pick Quinn, a quarterback who might become a good player down the road but has not gotten that far down the road yet? Or do you pick Ginn, a receiver who might become a good player down the road but hasn't gotten that far down the road yet?

So far, Ginn has been the more productive player. His stats show a player who nearly doubled his output from 2007 to 2008. But we all know he has a long, long, long way to go before he becomes a legitimate No. 1 NFL receiver. 

Quinn's stats show he has proven absolutely nothing in two seasons with Cleveland. He's started only three games and then got hurt after throwing two touchdown passes and two interceptions last season. He has a long, long, long way to go before showing his a starting-caliber NFL quarterback.

But to be fair Ginn has gotten far more opportunities than Quinn. And to be fair, Quinn didn't look like the moment was bigger than him when he got in games last year. He looked comfortable and able to lead.

So would you make the same decision as the Dolphins did knowing what you know today about these guys? It is a question I have been pondering ... and now I leave it to you to ponder.

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Time is like a string laid in a straight line, vary off that line and everything changes. Apples and Oranges what I know now I'd support the Ginn pick, but at the time the pick was made I threw a pillow in a straight line at the tv.

hey mr bungle go back to the sun-sentinel with your boyfriend tinshaker,so you can make fun at armando by calling him a short forhead,little eared,bulging eyes creepy looking basterd and get a kick out of making fun of me and other posters a-hole.by monalizzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Give me eleven Teddy Ginn, Jrs [with or without entire family] and I'll show you an offense that can beat the St. Frances School of the Blind H.S. Junior Varsity on any given Sunday.

There were also rumors that Houston was prepared to take Ginn at #10.

"Okoye actually regressed form year one to year two. A lot of folks in KC think he is a bust."

Why do folks in KC care, he plays in Houston?

I'm not sure how much different our position would be now if we'd have taken Quinn. We still would have had to go for a receiver in '08, which would likely give us exactly what we have now: young, unproven players at WR and QB. DeSean Jackson would not

first of all mando, wayne didnt fire cam. it was parcells that did. get your facts straight.

MR ;BUNGLE..I JUST SAW SOME ONE SIGNED W/MY NAME AND IWOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT NOT ME .COULD BE SOME LIKE GO FINS MAY BE BUT AGAIN THAT WAS NOT ME ,
BY REAL MONALIZA

have been around by the time we got there--would he have?

Hey monalizzzzzza, nice name by the way. I guess you're gay. I never said Armando was a short forhead,little eared,bulging eyes creepy looking basterd. Get your facts straight before you put your c*ck in your mouth once again.

Nice spelling by the way, do you wear a helmet when you're in school?

i agree with pat fan.I can't believe it.

MONALIZA, there can't be two retards who are as poor at spelling and grammar as you are. But I must say that you and go phins are very alike when it comes to spelling and grammar. So I guess there is more than one.

PLEASE PEOPLE NO ONE SHOULD SIGN WITH SOME ONE ELSE NAME AND CAUSE BAD FEELINGS TOWARD A PERSON .IT SHOWS HATE TOWRD A PERSON WHO ALLOW US TO ENGOY WRITING AND TALKING ABOUT SPORT.IF I KONW HOW TO WRITE MORE WORDS IN ENGLISH I WOULD HAVE USED STRONGER WORDS .
BY REAL MONALIZA

I agree with pats fan.I can't believe i said that.

I remember watching Quinn and the Irish getting stomped by Michigan his senior year at which time he was a heisman candidate. I was relieved the Finns passed on him.


MR BUNGLE ;THERE IS NO NEED FOR ME TO KEEP EXPLAINING BUT THE REASON I AM DOING THAT IS I AM NOT A LOW LIFE TO WRITE SUCH HURTFUL THINGS ABOUT A PERSON LIKE MANDO EVEN IF I DON'T KNOW HIM.LAST WHY WOULD I SIGN MY NAME FOR THAT COMMENT.MY ENGLISH NOT VERY GOOD BUT I HAVE A BRAIN .I COME HERE TO HAVE SOME FUN NOT TO HURT POPLE IN THAT UGLY WITH WORDS.THANK YOU
REAL REAL MONALIZA

Quinny stanks.
Ginn will never live up to 9th pick overall but straight up Iwould rather have a guy who helps than do myoplex commercials.
If we get a big wr acquisition than Ginn could expand his game ( along with Henne ).
I dont see why the hate of Ginn is so popular , he didnt ask to go 9th , I never would have picked him that high but I think he will make good strides next season.

BUNGLE ;ITOLD YOU THAT WAS NOT ME .I AM NOT A LOW LIFE FIN FAN
BY MONALZA

bungle...watch out marc and go fins trying to make troubles and sign with different names.they did the same thing with me earlier.

low life fin fan? did you hear that fellow dolphin fans?

Forget Willis...They should have drafted Amobi Okoye. The kid was 19 and now we'd do anything for D-line help.

Cuban, I salute you for your remarkable perspicacity in appreciating my multitudinous talents.

I do not belong to the Huntington Beach Dodsworths. (Parenthetically, the Huntington Beach Dodsworths absconded with my family's fortune and used it to purchase all the sugar cane in Madagascar).

Nay, Dodsworth is a pseudonym. It's my salute to the great Warner Bros. cartoon featuring Sheldon Leonard in which he played the very lazy, yet loveable, feline Dodsworth. Dodsworth uttered the immortal line, "I don't mind an honest day's woik as long as someone else is dooooin it!"

My schooling, sparse as it is, consisted of a four-year program in an inferior Canadian university.

Because you seem so interested, I will let you know that my interests include marital coitus and sundry other forms of ecstasy with my beloved, builing Lego stadiums, and forever extolling the virtues of A.J. Duhe.

And next year or there after if Henne bust I'm SURE that you'll be writing that if we'd only picked Quinn none of this would be happening to us. All the while Quinn can't even stay healthy enough to play 1/2 a season. Thanks for playing Woulda, coulda, and shoulda!

Sir, I salute you!!!!!

What is the trade value today of Quinn and Ginn. I beleive Quinn would/ could still muster a #1 draft pick for some QB starved team where Ginn would at best gardner a late second or third round pick. So from a trade value Quinn. Ginn also does not fit the prototype WR Parcells & co and company like. They want tall strong WR not just fast guys which Ginn is. Quinn on the other hand is a strong QB who can throw the long ball much like our 2nd round pick QB Henne is. Take in the fact that if we did pick Quinn last year we would have not picked Beck last year who appears to have no future in Maimi and we would have also not probably picked Henne this year and instead used that 2nd round pick on a productive player who most proably would have contributed this year and you have to go with Quinn hands down. Quinn would be your backup QB this year, with Simms from Tampa Bay your 3rd stringer. Given that scenario the Dolphins would have had 2 2nd round picks from the last 2 years to have used at positions other than QB. Most likely last year they would have picked a WR at Becks draft spot and the question is were there any good ones available? This years 2nd round pick would have prably still been used on defense. So there you go. That all being said at this point (2 years) in their careers what I "think" Ginn will be more productive than Ginn but that is just IMO not the facts!

I would have taken Quinn at the time because we needed a quarterback. I would have also taken Beck in the second round that year too. So we'd have been stuck with Quinn and Beck. At the time I liked Beck better than Quinn anyway but I'd have taken him at #9. But then again, if I was in charge we would not have been in that situation because I would have taken Brees and Rivers in previous drafts. In fact I was upset that we didn't. I was also upset that we drafted Eddie Moore in 2003...I really wanted Anquan Bolden.

Now for all of the Cam bashers, I for one understand why Cam and Mueller took Ginn, and it is a valid view to have. The team simply needed to get younger and much faster. All of the picks made that year were toward that end. The only reason that they look so out of place now is becasuse Parcells likes bigger players. The Rams were so successful because that over loaded defenses with playmakers and speed...teams just couldn't match up man to man and they got burned.

For post Fin season, this is an excelle nt post...........

I think very few of us would have wanted Ginn, or his family picked, either then or now-certainly not for a first round pick, BUT...
having said that.......I see no person in the above comments pick up on the greater point.....


IF PICKING GINN, GOT RID OF CAMERON, AND GOT US THE TUNA, THEN GINN & HIS FAMILY MIGHT HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE GREATESTS PICKS EVER.......

I MEAN SERIOUSLY, IF PICKING QUINN, WOULD MEAN WE WERE STILL STUCK WITH CAM CAMERON, THEN DUDE GINN WAS A COUP!!

Great stuff Armando!

Pat Willis is a monster and would be great in the Miami Defense.

However, I never had a problem with them taking Ginn over Quinn. Quinn was never that great of a QB and his arm is mediocre at best. He is intelligent but when I heard people comparing him to Bernie Kosar, that was a turn off. He hasn't done anything in CLE and was so unimpressive his rookie year that Anderson thought to the the third stringer won the job.

It always takes WR's three years to develop and Ginn is just entering that year.

His first season he was on a horrible team with horrible coaching.

If Chad Henne, Joe Flacco, and Matt Ryan had been in that draft they all would have been drafted ahead of Quinn.

Ginn!

Ginn almost doubled his stats from year #1 and I think he will do even better next season once he's played with the same QB and our O-Line gets vastly improved by the trifecta. I feel like his ducking out of bounds will get better also. I imagine the team will have the guys in the weight room all off-season (BP loves to work the guys) and he should toughen up a bit.

THERE BOTH AVRAGE PLAYERS THUS FAR, BUT LET GINN PUT ON SOME MUSCLE THIS OFFSEASON AND THEN WEEL SEE WHOS A BETTER DRAFT PICK...GINN GETS UP AND STARTS TALKING CRAP AND CLAPPING HIS HANDS AFTER HE GETS HIT. I HOPE HE JUST STOPS RUNNING OUT OF BOUNDS AND OUT MUSCLES CORNERBACKS ALREADY!

jeb4prez, spot on my friend..

teddys 25 i dont see him getting much bigger ..

unless Vincent K. Mcmahon is his trainer..

"Forget Willis...They should have drafted Amobi Okoye. The kid was 19 and now we'd do anything for D-line help.

Posted by: jeepmanmatt | January 27, 2009 at 01:44 PM"

We need some depth at NT but Okoye is not a NT. We're in good shape on the DL

"bungle...watch out marc and go fins trying to make troubles and sign with different names.they did the same thing with me earlier.

Posted by: | January 27, 2009 at 01:40 PM"

How does anyone bother you, you have no name? LOL

Hey cuban menace/monaliza,you don't say hurtful things on this blog?You got to be kidding me you collossal loser.

You guys are really into this today ... Anyway, couple of things:

1. Chris S. that was certainly an insightful response. Why did you bother?

2. Louis: Quinn walked past my seat in first class.

3. If the Dolphin had passed on a QB and WR and picked a LB that year, there would have been a freaking mutiny. Fans would have burned down the facility.

4. Huizenga brought in Parcells so he absolutely pulled the plug on Randy and Cam.

5. Where is that tool MJF or Marcus or whatever name he's going by today?

weird question!! Quinn never beat Henne in face to face.. Henne was always ahead of Quinn with stats.. Let's not forget he broke every Michigan record over some damm good QB's. tom brady included. Henne just needs a chance to play, then we will see Ginn and the other wr's grow to the potential they have..Quinn needs some playing time to.. but he is not the winner Henne is>> Our future is bright after Henne gets a fair chance..

Mando,2 questions #1 They've got first class going on a inter-state flight #2 did you take your golden parachute??just interested you know, my modes of transportation consits of 3 inter tubes and rope..

At that time I would take Quinn over Ginn... During that time we needed a QB badly and we had Marty Booker and Chris Chambers at wideout,,, instead we sign Trent Green at Qb and draft Ted Ginn. The result was a disaster season but hey it worked out for the better,,, if it wasn't for the Ginn drafting, Cam Cameron and Randy mueller nearly destroying the team we would never have gotten The Tuna.. So that 1-15 season was all worth it right guys

If you can go back don't you almost have to go w/ Quinn? I'd say so. Even w/ Ginn's improvement last yr, it appears he's only going to be a #3 WR. While I hope he explodes it only shows that speed shows more in College than the NFL.

go phins sucks

Mando I agree with your points I think at that current point in time we dont pass on a qb and we get a wr in the later rounds we still did have Chambers for that period of time,look all that im saying is what if we did go Willis fans still would have been upset we didnt take BQ,then we draft Bowe and then later on we draft Trent Edwards then our wr and qb situation is settled Edwards may not be the best thing going but he is better than Beck.

All you Phins fans are ridiculous. Ginn has given us something positive, we have seen glimpses of a very talented receiver. He will become a good # 2 receiver next year. His ability to stretch the field accounts for two defenders on every play he runs a fly route. This opens the field for everyone else. In addition, I think it was a mistake to take Ginn away from return duties, and feel its one glaring mistake this coaching staff has made. Quinn has done nothing and fell to 22 in the draft. Please wake up, there is a reason no one else wanted him except his hometown GM and coach who have since been fired.

One more, look at The U's own Santana Moss. His first two years were pedestrian at best and look what happened. And he lacks the speed and quickness of Ginn, with similar size.

IT STILL TO EARLY TO TELL LOOK AT THE BEST WR IN TODAY IT DIDN'T HAPPEND OVER NIGHT. JUST GIVE GINN A CHANCE WITH THIS NEW TEAM AND COACHES HE WILL BECOME THE #1 WR

Mando,
Im sorry but this is a rather stupid question...but to answer it...I'd still Draft Ginn over Quinn anyday! Brady Quinn is a HIGHLY HIGHLY OVER RATED!!!! The only reason his stats were so good his Senior year at Notre Dame was because the Irish didn't have that difficult of a schedule! The Defenses he faced were some of the weakest he'd ever faced so of course he's going to be productive. He is then, as he is now...the HIGHEST PAID PINE PONY RIDING BACK-UP Quarterback! Sure he looked comfortable in those 3 starts but he still got his BUTT planted hard and his head almost handed to him in those 3 starts! Yes Beck, had a shakey start in 2007, but he was a rookie, and made rookie mistakes. Every Rookie has there problems...with exceptions...Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco being those exceptions. Ryan started immeditately and had the backup of his team. Flacco, wasn't even supposed to be the starter, and only became the starter after injuries to Bolliger and Smith. Flacco wasn't steller, and didnt have his best game until he played our beloved Dolphins which really got his confidence up and which showed him he could play at the NFL Level. So yes, I would still draft Ginn and Beck, and leave Brady Quinn sitting in complete shock as he started to stand when Comissioner Goodele announced "with the 9th pick of the 2007 draft, the Miami Dolphins select Ted Ginn, Jr Wide Receiver from Ohio State!" That complete look of shock on Quinn's face was priceless! And then for him to be moved off the floor with those that were supposed to be the top 50 prospects to a private room because he kept watching his stock take a nose dive until Cleveland traded for the 22nd pick in the Draft to be able to take Quinn. Quinn is a loser and as i said previously...HIGHLY OVER RATED! I cant with for the the 2009 Draft to get here! Im anxious to see who the Miami Dolphins take w/their 1st Rd 25th overall pick.

GO DOLPHINS!

well said ginn fan.

you never take a receiver over a quarterback unless you have a qb. At the time we had a one-legged Culpepper and there was talk of trading for the resurrected mummified corpse of Trent Green...Quinn should have been the pick.

Amobi Okoye should have been the pick. But, in hindsight Patrick Willis would have been great.

I'd take Ginn, but the bigger question Armando is, are you still high-fiving with Greg Cote about the Dolphins losing to the Ravens ?

this is off the subject, but iam watching the history channel and they said clinton could have taken out bin-laden while he was hunting in the dessert of afganestan, my question is, what was bin laden hunting in the dessert??

Ted Ginn has 1,210 receiving yards and 7 TDs (receiving, rushing, and returning) in his 2 years.

Brady Quinn has 563 passing yards, has 2 TDs, 2 INTs, has completed less than half of the passes he has thrown, and has a QB rating of 65.8.

What was the question again?

Please cut the following players:

Pennington
Beck

W. Allen
J. Allen
N. Jones

Thank you!

All in all I'm happy we got Ginn, but on that day, in that moment I wanted Quinn.

I will take that 1-15 year to be where we are today, instead of a quick fix we are in place to be a competitor year in and year out; I just hope the days of getting to the playoffs and not the SB are behind us. It has been what 24 years since we've been and 34 since we've won one?

Trent Green, in his 5 games as a Dolphin, had a higher QB rating than Quinn does for his career and we were ready to draw and quarter TG. Do any of you people that think "Ginn sucks/Quinn is going to be a star" actually watch football?

Armando, knowing what I know about each player, I pick neither of them. Instead, I look to guys like Patrick Willis (picked 11th), or Marshawn Lynch (12th), or Dwayne Bowe (a steal at 23), or even Anthony Gonzalex, the last pick in the first round (32). Just look at the success these players have had in the past two seasons, and they were picked after Ted Ginn Jr (two were picked after Brady Quinn (22)). So, knowing what I know now, neither of them would have gotten dressed in aqua and orange, because neither of them would have deserved it.

Until Quinn shows me he is a great quarterback...I say Ginn was a great choice over Quinn.

Okay, well maybe I'm a little hard on Ginn, but I doubt I would have been had the real reason the coach at the time, whom I dare not speak by name, didn't pick him for the worng reason. The only reason Ginn was picked so high was because of the history the coach and Ginn's father shared. As a fan, I felt cheated and I can't imagine how any other Dolfan didn't feel the same way when the relationship between the two came out. That's why I think we're all as hard as we are on Ginn; because, primarily, it was who Ginn knew, not what he could that got him drafted.

"3. If the Dolphin had passed on a QB and WR and picked a LB that year, there would have been a freaking mutiny. Fans would have burned down the facility."

And it would have been the right pick in the 1st round. You draft the best players, and at #9 neither Quinn or Ginn were the best players. Why did Quinn last until #22?

Like i said, if teddy had the testecular fortitude of fitzgerald or bolden he would have had his thousand yards , he dropped 18 passes that were in his hands.

Hey Bungle,
I'm not suggesting Ginn was the right choice at #9, but he clearly does not "suck", and Quinn at this point is clearly not the next coming of Montana. Maybe after next year we'll feel differently about Quinn, but right now...yuck.

To suggest that picking Ginn over Quinn was a blunder of monumental proportions is wrong. Picking Ginn over maybe 4 or 5 other players may have been a screw up, but I think he would have been gone by 15 at the latest. He is massively talented, and as long as he has the right attitude and stays healthy, he will catch several hundred balls in his career.

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