« Ireland draft wrap: Dolphins looking for acorns | Main | Which endangered Fin might become extinct? »

One positive aspect of cutting John Beck

Nobody apparently would give even a seventh-round pick for John Beck the past month or so and the Dolphins apparently weren't convinced anyone would change their minds in the coming months leading up to training camp.

So they released him Monday.

The move does have a saving grace in that it saves the Dolphins approximately $120,000 in cap space, although they will now carry the accelaration of Beck's original signing bonus on their books. That acceleration will be about $800,000. Beck's 2009 cap number was scheduled to be approximately $918,900 before he got cut.

Beck will likely latch on with some other team. It will be interesting to me whether Baltimore (where Cam Cameron is the offensive coordinator) will show any interest whatsoever.

Obviously the Dolphins didn't want to carry Beck and subtract practice repetitions from Pat White or Chad Henne or Chad Pennington.

What a waste of a second round pick.

TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00d83451b26169e201156f61bd81970c

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference One positive aspect of cutting John Beck:

Comments

Feed You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the comment feed for this post.

Beck was a disaster.

I remember sitting in Dolphin Stadium during the Fins/Cowboys game and a lady was crying (for real) because cam wouldnt put this looser in the game. I was like wtf is she drinking! I'm happy we got on with the get on! IN THE TUNA WE TRUST!

The NFL is a business, but one cannot help but feel bad for Beck. He always seemed like an alright guy and he was forced into such a terrible position with Cameron. Obviously, he does not fit into the Dolphins' plan and had to be released or traded. The NFL is a business, hopefully the kid rebounds. Everything Cam Cameron did was virtually a waste, though.

oh and first??

They couldn't get even a 7th round pick for him?!?! Ughh....that's just depressing. Cameron/Mueller's two 2nd round picks turned into one 6th round pick in two years.

Any word on the JT talks? I hope they sign him soon.

Good point, Mando. For those crybabies moaning and bitvhing about the Pat White pick (like local radio legend Big O), the Beck pick shows what a real wasted 2d looks like. I Wish him well, but let's go Pat.

Beck is a good example of a rookie thrown into the mix to early on a team without the supporting cast to help him and not so good coaches..... Wish him well, he does have skills and hopefully will get another chance.

Perhaps...Sanchez will go that route...we can only hope ....

Mando what is the latest on JT? Come on you are the best connected guy on the Herald...make a call

After Vontae Davis (who is a headcase) and Sean Smith, this draft looks horrific on paper. Not only what positions they drafted, but the players as well.

I have pretty good evidence that the Dolphins paid no attention to the independent draft analysts (Mel Kiper, Todd Mcshay, profootballweekly, Tony Pauline) and did their analyses completely independently. Thats ok if the draft is a success, but if it isnt, then they really screwed up big time. B/c these picks were major reaches.

The failure to consult McShay's mock draft resulted in that horrific trade out of the 7th Rd. The loss of that pick dooms us into eternity.

Patrick Turner in the 3rd round was a joke. He's a 5th or 6th rounder according to most. I hope I am wrong.

From the way they picked, you would think they did all the film work and analyses in some cave in Aphganistan (where there is no contact with the rest of the scouting community) and only came out to make the selections. If they hit on these picks, they are geniuses, but if not, this draft is going to look really bad.

Good for Beck.... He would never of gotten the chance in Miami

Armando I need to ask why in the hell did you decide to talk about cheerleaders for more than half of you show on 790 today? The day after the draft and you being our Dolphins Insider thats what you think we all want to hear? That was just horrible...

Your usually very good on the ticket but I just cant understand why you did this...It was very annoying

Another wasted pick by pre-Trifecta management...who would have thunk it? Hopefully the last two drafts will make me forget about the previous 10. Go Phins!

Fake GM, I understand and had my own doubts about the draft but,they got what they wanted...if they don't pan out they are gone. Thats the good thing with this regime. If 2 end up as starters by 2010 and 2 more end up adding depth then great. If not...next!

2007 draft updated history.
T Ginn - still on team. Mixed reviews as to #1.
J Beck - just cut. Maybe a back up somewhere.
L Booker - traded to Philly. Bench player.
S Satele - trade to raiders.Too small for AFC E.
P Soliai - still on team. best value of 2007?
R Mauia - Last heard in denver?
D Mormino - out of league?
K Smith - out of league?
A Wright - out of League?
B Fields - Still on team (punter).

Armando,

You know more about the Dolphins than anybody that is not employed by the club.
You are also a smart, analytical, and articulate guy. When you get on 790, please talk about the Dolphins and stop fooling around talking about nothing. I dont get why you do that.

Yeah mando,
Where's JT? When do you think we'll find out?
Thanks

I mean? WTF?

Are you seriously telling me it wouldn't be smarter to hold on to him until at least camps are in full swing and maybe injuries strike some teams QB's and we get a late pick or player for him?

Bad bad move. Its a VERY nice gesture towards Beck to allow him to try and pick a team he can flourish with but this is a freakin business not a charity!

Let's flash back 1 year ago. Beyond Long, there were no known great picks. Merling fell due to injury and Henne was the 4th or 5th QB selected. Nobody heard of Langford or Murphy or Donald Thomas or either RB or Dotson. A year later, we realize that Langford is good, Merling is solid, Thomas is good and Dotson may have potential. Now back to today, we clearly needed help at CB. We got a great player in Vontae Davis. Sean Smith was picked to go in late round 1 or early 2. So we got 2 solid CB prospects. We needed WR help, so we draft a tall redzone threat in Turner and a possibly sleeper in Hartline. Throw in a TE prospect and some OT and ILB depth. Not too bad. Point is, nobody knows how this draft will pan out. AND - if Pat White can play 10 plays per game and make things happen, then awesome. How many plays does Reggie Bush play per game? And he was picked 2nd overall! Go Fins!!

Beck had the misfortune of getting drafted by Cameron, and thrown into his disaster without any hope of success. Henne would have done no better.

The kid does have skills, is a hard worker, and deserves a chance to show what he can do.

Hopefully he'll get one.

Just a thought.

Where are all those experts who were whining about not picking Quinn a couple of years ago.

Come on fellas. Speak up. LOL

JR is back in the house. Lets get the party started

It didn't matter what the Phins did when Beck was here, he was screwed. No offensive line and he was running for his life in every game he started. Cammorron turned a proud franchise into the laughing stock of the NFL.

It was clear Cameron and Mueller had no idea what they were doing. They...

1. Had Ronnie Brown returning kickoffs in the preseason (before he, you know, led the NFL in yards from scrimmage through 6 weeks).
2. Used a 3rd round pick on a 3rd down back (Booker), when the team needed to start rebuillding after a 5 win season.
3. Took a big time risk in Ted Ginn when the team needed a solid, safe pick at #9 overall.

Thats why those clowns went 1-15. The record does not lie.

So many follow these threads like they are gospel. Waste of a second round pick? How about waste of a coach and GM! Beck was and remains a quality human being, put into a no-win situation by people who had no business making those decisions. Not once did he complain. He is what we all should be - humble, hard-working, and honest. It just goes to show us all what a sad, sick business this is where a writer will call his pick a "waste" [Mando] and his "picker" can't convince his own team he's worth even a seventh round selection two years removed [Cameron]. I hope John Beck finds an opportunity to shine - he deserves that much and more!

"After Vontae Davis (who is a headcase) and Sean Smith, this draft looks horrific on paper. Not only what positions they drafted, but the players as well.

I have pretty good evidence that the Dolphins paid no attention to the independent draft analysts (Mel Kiper, Todd Mcshay, profootballweekly, Tony Pauline) and did their analyses completely independently. Thats ok if the draft is a success, but if it isnt, then they really screwed up big time. B/c these picks were major reaches.

Posted by: Fake GM | April 27, 2009 at 09:13 PM"

NO MORE A REACH THEN WHAT YOUR FATHER ENDED UP WITH ON HIS WEDDING NIGHT .....

It's Bill Parcells - How dare someone like YOU question him. Go back under the rock from where you came .....

I agree, Bill Parcells has the credentials to make those picks. I wouldnt want anyone else running the show. But he's a human being, you can question his picks. This could end up being a great draft. It just looks bad right now.

Fake - why would any NFL team consult those morons? Am I missing a joke here?

I feel for Beck. I think it was a bad idea to drop him now instead of waiting to get something for him in the preseason but I can see why they did it... not to be nice but because they don't want dead weight on this team and John Beck was not in their plans = dead weight. opens up another roster space for someone they think can be a player here.

Pat Turner = Oronde Gadsden. Last I remember Gadsden was a pretty darned effective player. 6-2/215/not very fast with big hands. Sounds a lot like Turner. Give the kid a chance.

At first I hated the Davis pick. But if you look at it, Zook benched him and it worked. He didn't continue to slack. He brought it. If he was responsive to Zook, he'll be responsive to Sparano... or end up swimming with the fishes.

Pat White is worth it if his contribution results in yards and TDs out of the Wildcat. Plus, when he lines up at WR in the 'cat formation, he is a legitimate threat, unlike Penny.

Sean Smith is going to be good.

Hartline must have been for ST and to come in for Camarillo. Otherwise I see no reason to draft him.

Jimmy Jam,

I hope the picks turn out exactly like you said, I really do. Even if Vontae Davis just behaves, that first round pick will make the whole draft. If Vontae had good character, he would have been a top 10 pick easily. He is the best corner in the draft by far, even better than Malcolm Jenkins.

I agree with Bills post.
John Beck did nothing wrong except for being thrown in the middle of a bad situation. He was lucky not to be on a streacher the way he was rushed and pounded. He never complained and is a quality person. Good luck john maybe you will prove them all wrong and I hope the next offensive line you are behind blocks for you...

Kinda funny, about a month or two ago when I suggested the Dolphins just cut Beck loose the wierdos who live in your blog comments section said I was crazy (as usual). Who is laughing now?
Good luck, lady Beck.
Now, trade for Boldin, sign JT and then we can go to the Super Bowl. Thats all I think needs done to get this team to the next level.

Vontae Davis barred from Spring Game---get TMZ on this asap!

Good luck, lady Beck.
Now, trade for Boldin, sign JT and then we can go to the Super Bowl. Thats all I think needs done to get this team to the next level.

Posted by: jed | April 27, 2009 at 09:55 PM

Five words for you, you bigoted clown:

Moron, your bus is leaving!

Oh My God. The failure to consult Mel kiper , Todd Mcshay and Pro football weekly just set the MIAMI DOLPHINS back 10 years. LMAO !

What I don't get about the Pat White/Wildcat scenario is this: where would he line up?
If he's the wide receiver who's the qb? And if he's the qb can he scare defenses as a running threat when the offensive line couldn't open holes for the bigger,stronger and faster Brown out of the formation? And is White enough of a threat as a passer, short as he is, to threaten defenses?
I don't doubt his ability given a good offensive line. Unfortunately, the Fins don't have one of those yet. They believe, mistakenly, that they can coach up cast-offs, free agent backups and lower round choices. That's the same hubris Shula, Johnson, Wannstedt and Mueller suffered from. They would have been better off drafting more offensive linemen.
It's amazing how much better receivers are when the quarterback has all day to throw and how good mediocre backs can be when there are holes to run through.

There's no need to resort to gimmick offenses when the offensive line can consistently knock defensive players on their backsides.

The stormin' mormon??? Oh well, he was VERY not good... And that's all I have to say about that.

NO MORE A REACH THEN WHAT YOUR FATHER ENDED UP WITH ON HIS WEDDING NIGHT .....

It's Bill Parcells - How dare someone like YOU question him. Go back under the rock from where you came .....


......................................

AWESOME REPLY!

CLASSIC!

FormFactor,

Shut up Bozo!!!!!!!!!!!

Good luck Beck, you got the shaft. At 6'2 they said you were to short at QB. Now we have a savior at QB, Pat White who is 6'0, but it's okay he's black. Maybe these people who say how great PW is at Qb should read about him on Scout.com. The Fin's will regret this pick.

You guys are killing me! LMBO!

im not sure but beck will be someone somewhere. just needs some time around the ball, imean he through for like3,380 yds&like 38 tds. i know we do not want him but we may be talking about him sometime, near future.

ya well thats threw. ha,ha

Carlito,
The sad thing is that the number of exclamation points in your reply exceeds your IQ by about 10. I wish you nothing but the best as you forge a career cleaning bathroom stalls at MIA, my friend. It takes a man to clean the toilet another man will take a dump in. You're a hero and inspiration to us all.

Form: Pat White doesnt have the be a WR catching the ball from Ronnie Brown to be effective. He can simply line up as WR, and do a reverse/fake reverse/reverse*throw the ball. I can see both Ricky Williams and Pat White doing the reverse. Defenses will chase both and if Pat White gets the ball, it may leave the tight end wide open. I think the fact that he is on the field makes him a threat at running, throwing/passing. Or you can line him up in the wild cat and have ronnie brown/ricky williams both reversing and Pat could option to either or pass. There are a lot of options that he gives you that Pennington doesnt standing as a WR. My only concern is that with White on the field, you know what's coming. With Chad on the field, they could run into the WildCat real quick before opposing defenses could make the personnel adjustments. Thoughts?

Check you stats Miami average 6 yards per carry out of the cat as opposed to 4 out of mor traditonal alignments.

FormFactor. That post is asinine. We have a freaking solid O-line now. Smiley is healthy. We have Jake Grove now and Donald Thomas. Vernon Carey is a solid right tackle, above average for sure, and a pro bowl left tackle in Jake long, the first rookie number one overall pick to go to the pro bowl since 1981. This offense this year is gonna be sick but in 2010-2012, this team could be a freaking show-stopper!

nickizi, are you as stupid as what you write. bigoted clown? wtf is that?

What I don't get about the Pat White/Wildcat scenario is this: where would he line up?
If he's the wide receiver who's the qb? And if he's the qb can he scare defenses as a running threat when the offensive line couldn't open holes for the bigger,stronger and faster Brown out of the formation? And is White enough of a threat as a passer, short as he is, to threaten defenses?
Posted by: FormFactor |
-----------------------------------------
I think he's going to do a little of everything in the Wildcat. His main position in the wildcat will be QB. With the supposed upgrade at center and a healthy Donald Thomas, hopefully the holes will be a little bit bigger to run through. He's definitely a threat to throw. He's actually a very good passer. White will line up at both Ronnie's position and Pennington's position.

I think the idea with the Wildcat this year will be to get all the threats out there - Ginn, Ricky, Ronnie, White, and even Cobbs. It's going going to be very difficult to defend because the Dolphins will be able to threaten every area of the field with talent.

If teams don't respect the handoff to the strong side to Ricky, then he's fast enough to go for a big one. If they overplay that, they have they'll have a reverse to White or the counter-pass play that they used against the Cheatriots.

With White at Ronnie's spot, teams can't overplay the run or he'll burn them with a pass. With White at Pennington's spot, the options are limitless.

I would say good luck but isn't it already time for him to retire. Isn't he almost 30? He must be the oldest inexperienced player in the league.

Total bungle by Ireland (it's time we start holding him accountable since Tuna doesn't want to take credit or blame). If leading up to the draft Ireland didn't express how Henne was the up and coming, while never mentioning or promoting Beck as viable competition, and if Ireland didn't express that he felt White was competing for a full time QB role, the perception (and value) of Beck would have been totally different.

I understand wanting to be the captain of your crew, but throwing Beck entirely under the bus led to every other team in the league not being able to justify his 2nd round salary even for a low end pick.

He was still a member of your team, yet every public comment denigrated him. You don't do that. You just don't do that.

He earned a decent salary over his two years and he'll be just fine, but unless his heart burns to compete (something we haven't exactly seen) I don't expect him to sign and/or succeed elsewhere.

John Beck will be just fine. Cameron/Mueller and now Parcells/Ireland, and alas the fans, are the only losers in this matter.

Great. "Genius" Parcells drafted another QB and didn't bother to take a defensive lineman. Why do you guys like Parcells so much? I lost all respect for him when he said last year that he will not trade Jaso Taylor. And then guess what he did?

Sean. Or maybe it's just simple as that teams don't think he's any good.

Actually, the loser is Beck considering that he doesn't even justify a seventh round pick. Prediction time: By the end of the season, Beck will be a pizza delivery man or Mel Kiper's waterboy.

Good luck Beck, you got the shaft. At 6'2 they said you were to short at QB. Now we have a savior at QB, Pat White who is 6'0, but it's okay he's black. Maybe these people who say how great PW is at Qb should read about him on Scout.com. The Fin's will regret this pick.

Posted by: Ramsterone | April 27, 2009 at 10:31 PM
What does being black have to do with Pat White being 6'0? If you saying he's to short than what does his race have to do with his height?

This is the same player that cried multiple times during his career at BYU. The same player that threw the ball out of the end zone on the final play of the game against Utah when they rushed ONE player and left everyone else in coverage. The same player that completed about 20% of his passes when the other team blitzed. Despite all of this the former regime thought that since he had the 2nd best arm strength out of all the QBs in the draft he was worth a 2nd round pick. Thank you trifecta for putting this dog down. Good riddance. I can now put the 2007 draft behind me.

NJ Phin Fan ...

Parcells/Ireland helped in the perception that Beck isn't good. Beck was considered a 2nd round pick two years ago by more than just Cam Cameron and Randy Mueller. Talking him down (or rather not talking him up) lies squarely at the hands of Parcells/Ireland. It's their fault we couldn't get any trade value for him. They could have praised him as a strong competitor to Henne and at LEAST gotten something in return.

I honestly don't think John Beck will be on a roster at the conclusion of the 2009 season, but that's not all John Beck's fault.

He could have been an 8-10 year career backup were the circumstances different, but from all I know he's gonna be happier being just John Beck. That kid who Marino supported as his replacement however ... well, let's just say he's been chasing a dream he could never fulfill for his entire life...

Beck sucked. He was like a 29 year old scared puppy. Sure he had no supporting cast...but he was also a massive wuss.

And liar-whining-guy above...Why do we like Parcells??? Are you kidding. He just engineered one of the biggest turn arounds in NFL history. JT forced the trade..and it turned out to be a huuuuuge move. We got a second round pick. JT Was injured during the preseason and didn't hardly paly in DC. Now he might be coming back. Thats outstanding work by the Tuna. So shut it.

Sean. the only people who ruined beck was CAM Cameron and Beck Himself. He's just not that good.

it's very funny, all you fans are so dumb ,one day you support Beck and next day you turn on him like a Pit Bull,that's prove one thing that is, you have no clue about real football and you deserve only people like nick satan and cam camreon.

carlito, shut up for few hours until your papi leaves.

cuban left and nj shows up, nice

1 2 3 4 5 »

The comments to this entry are closed.