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Dolphins, Dolfans should monitor Waters saga

All Dolphins fans should monitor the situation between the Kansas City Chiefs and Brian Waters.

We all know the Dolphins are lately not in the business of being interested in 30-year-old-plus veteran players who are unhappy on other teams. But there are exceptions to every rule and, while nothing is imminent or certain, the Waters situation might eventually qualify as such an exception.

Waters is the 32-year-old veteran guard for the Chiefs. Acting as his own agent and in his own best-interest, he has requested the Chiefs trade him. The Chiefs, acting in their best business interest, have told Waters they will consider that option as long as the right opportunity to upgrade their team (read acceptable compensation) becomes available.

Kansas City general manager Scott Pioli, who happens to be son-in-law to Miami football czar Bill Parcells, shares this philosophical mantra with his father-in-law: Everybody's available for the right price.

Kansas City is in full-fledged reconstruction mode with a new coach, new general manager, new quarterback, new offensive and defensive system, and new way of doing things. This new day brought about the trade of tight end Tony Gonzalez. And it promises much, much more change that could include Waters.

So why are we discussing this on a Dolphins blog?

Well, because even as they have shown no public interest in Waters, the Dolphins are keenly aware he's dangling out there as a possible training camp "acorn," as general manager Jeff Ireland likes to call them. Waters as an option has not been ruled out by the Dolphins.

Yes, Waters is older than the profile of a player the Dolphins might like.

But so was Chad Pennington. And so was Jason Taylor.

And the Dolphins aren't so certain they won't have a hole along their offensive line that Waters, graded the 10th best guard in the NFL by Scouts Inc., could plug quite effectively.

The right guard spot has been something of a pain for the Dolphins in that Donald Thomas, the man who won the job in training camp last year, was injured in the season-opener and missed all but one game. Then this offseason he tore a pectoral muscle and his rehab time is between four and six months, which means he could be back before the end of training camp or sometime during the regular season, assuming the team opts to keep him on the active roster.

Adding to the uncertainty is the fact Andy Alleman, who was shuttling with Ikechuku Ndukwe at right guard before becoming the starter at left guard the final four games of 2008, has been hampered by a back condition that has forced him to miss OTA practices.

Coach Tony Sparano said the team is searching for a starting right guard by shuttling Brandon Frye, Ndukwe, and Shawn Murphy, among others, at the position. And while that might end up being the solution to the issue, no one would argue any of the players just mentioned have the resume Waters offers.

So what is likely to happen?

The situation in Kansas City has to reach critical mass and it is not there yet. There are dates that could trip some activity one way or the other. The start of training camp is one such date as the Chiefs might not want any drama or distractions in the locker room the day the new coach and new front office start their first training camp.

Waters was a good citizen at Kansas City's mandatory mini-camp over the weekend, saying the right things, albeit in a not-too-convincing tone. At one point during this interview, Waters is asked if he wants to play for the Chiefs and he answers, "Ah, you know what, yeah, today I do. That's why I'm here. If I didn't, I wouldn't be here. If that changes then the right people will be notified."

Not exactly a resounding commitment.

What if he decides on the first day of training camp that he doesn't? The point is the opening of training camp is one date that could trigger action. The next one is nearing the end of training camp and prior to the start of the season when teams are eager to improve themselves or make long-term decisions on players.

The Chiefs may decide they don't want to carry Waters into the season because that would automatically guarantee his $3.6 million base salary. And the next tripping point would be the midseason trade deadline in October.

The Dolphins will be searching for guard help throughout the remainder of this offseason and into training camp even though they will publicly say they are confident in the players already on the roster and are thrilled with what they have. (What else are they supposed to say?)

You should know that Waters is signed through the 2011 season, according the NFLPA. He is scheduled to make $2.9 million in 2010 and $3.9 million in 2011. You should also know the Chiefs and Dolphins have something of a relationship (as stated above between Parcells and Pioli) and in the fact Ireland and Pioli talked and even pulled off a minor trade during the past draft.

And finally, you should know that guards don't typically bring big compensation on the trade market. Yes, Waters is a three-time Pro Bowl player. But Pete Kendall, a disgruntled player for the New York Jets, cost the Redskins a fifth-round pick in 2007.

The timing of that Kendall trade was predictable -- in August's final week, just prior to the start of the season.

So monitor the Brian Waters news, Dolfan. The final chapter on what he has termed a "saga" has not yet been written.

[BLOG UPDATE: It's time for a live chat! Ok, maybe not quite yet. But Thursday from noon until about 2 p.m. (longer if there's enough feedback), I'll be on here to discuss Friday's opening of the team's only veteran mandatory offseason minicamp and just about anything else on your agenda.] 


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How come when a team, any team, is ready to trade someone, you start in on the Dolphins should trade for this guy. If you were the GM, the Dolphins would have no draft picks and a busted cap. Just who the hell do the Dolphins have to trade that would interest the Chiefs. Pennington? Henne? Long? Porter? They probably wouldn't want them. Maybe they want Soliai. Or how about Wilford? I'm sure they want him. Maybe they like Wright. You're nuts.

I am the Walrus. Sadly, however, I am not first.

Welcome back from vacation Mando!

That's a surmise based on your recent blog posts.

Methinks the Fins have at least two RG capable bodies on the roster now - Don't see this Waters thing happening.

Donald Thomas looks to be on the mend and any number of the other guard candidates seem more than capable of getting the job done. Mainly because Grove is at center and, if he plays to expectations, will be the difference maker this year.

How bout a draft pick tom...Its not nuts to think they might give up a pick for a starting pro bowl caliber guard..only question is what pick?

I AM having lunch now, any one has a good funny joke ?

That is one big contract for a 34 year old. Maybe they can use him for a year as insurance if they can get him for a 4th pick or lower and then cut him if someone else moves him off the job. But no way would he get an extended deal for more money. That being said, this looks like the weakest position on the team.

There is also no guarantee Smiley will be healthy either so another veteran (playable) guard might be a good move.

Oh! and getting Pennington and JT did not involve giving up picks or people.

It all depends on price now, doesn't it.

Just like the Boldin situation.

How much is a 32 year old OG worth, no matter what his pro-bowl predigree, and no matter how big the need on the team.

I could see the Dolphins parting with -- say --a 4th round pick for a player like Waters But anything more than that would be hard to justify.

If KC will accept a 4th round pick (nothing higher),then, me thinks it will be a good deal for the Phins.

Big "IF".

Donald Thomas is a beast. If he is healthy we will dominate defenses. I don't see a reason to give up draft picks and cap space for another starter. We need exceptional back ups. We might have them we might not. The GM will decide that.

Jets Rocks
sanchez will show the dead fish dolphins ,they don't belong to be w/elite teams of the east

Do I know much about the Chief's guards? Not a bit.

It all comes down to D. Thomas' condition, the price (hard to see more than a 4th), and how the alternative right guards on the squad are viewed (which ain't great as far as I can tell). And none of those I know.

Another situation in which the answer is gotta trust Parcells & Co.

Y-not, I wasn't on vacation. That doesn't start until next week. I do, however, get days off and I will be working this weekend.

tom@jax: You are wrong. Other than Boldin, name one player I've stated the Dolphins should trade for. And please re-read this post as nowhere in here do I advocate the Dolphins should do this. I'm stating they are monitoring the situation and so should the team's fans.

I think the guard position is well manned, no there isn't a standout right now, but if Thomas returns healthy, that is solidified. I don't think they should give up any picks for him, the front office is so good at drafting, why would you give up picks that could be used on youth for an older veteran who is unhappy. At most he has 3 good years left. If he is cut, then I could see it but otherwise, nope, doesn't make sense.

... And how is it that so many of you are convinced Donald Thomas is the second coming when his resume includes more significant injuries (2) than games played (1)?

tom@jax, do you change oil and filter for cars, ican tell you don't much know about football

agree with armando. would LOVE to count on a healthy D.thomas but it seems you can't. definitely need more depth on OL.


There was a recent story (not in the herald) that said that Donald Thomas is actually recovering quicker than what was initially expected and that he is back to his regular weight lifting routine. He expects to be back for the start of trainig camp. Can you please check on that? I will be asking you about his status on Thursday.

Jets Rock

Give me a J
Give me a E
Give me a BREAK!
I've been a Dolphin fan my entire life. I've never been on any other teams blog. I check opponents rosters and depth charts looking for mismatches that's it.
Serious question: Is it really that bad being a jet fan? Oh wait let me answer that for you:
Give me a Y
Give me a E
Give me a S

Dear Mr. Salguero

"Scott Pioli, who happens to be son-in-law to Miami football czar Bill Parcells, shares this philosophical mantra with his father-in-law: Everybody's available for the right price."

If this is true I believe I'll have the following.

1 Jessica Alba
1 Olson twin (Doesnt matter which one there interchangeable)
1 Estel Getty from the golden girls (What a guy cant have a fetish ?)
1 Of whatever David Caridine was spanking his monkey too.

Just charge them to my account

Soiled :)


Donald Thomas was a beast last training camp and in the pre-season. He looks like a pro bowler. He played 2 years of college football (after walking on), gets drafted, and is the opening day starter for an NFL team in his rookie year. Thats how you know he's good. He is playing on talent alone, b/c you know his technique isnt there yet.

odinseye, i like how you write in simple english so i can understand,thank you.

Q ,since you know every thing dolphins, tell me what was last game dan marino played before he retired .

every player in training camp w/shorts looks like a beast to Fake GM, can't you wait until the games start and all these beasts can do ?


All hard working men need some time off. But I have to warn you. Some of the inmates were trying to take over the asylum!
This post was more interesting than a few of the priors. Nonetheless I wouldn't quite call it a stellar return.
Brian Waters is listed at 6-3 320. He plays in the "old school road grader" mode.
Considering the OL prospects in next years draft, and the players currently available, a 4Th rd pick seems a little steep.

Nice to have you back

I swear armando .. sometimes i feel u act like a deceptecon.. are u?

Jet rocks:

A: Marino's last game was in a horrible playoff game losing in Jacksonville, early in 2000.

Dear Captain Armando Salguero

Yesturday I gave you a heads up about a possible Mutany on the blog "My bad Mando, but I'm calling for a mutiny on the blog"Odinseye
And his Co-conspirator "OK odinseye" Gopats

Then this last night "URGENT: Soiled Bottom
If were to succeed we need your support.
Not only am I prepared to offer extra Grog and Meed, but all the smoking hot Valkyries

Now today there are Jet fans here.

We should nip this in the bud now and throw them all in the brigg.

Just thought you should know

Soiled :)

Jets Choke

I'll do better than that. Let me tell you about the last victory a good Jets quarterback had.
Hint: It was in the meadow lands. Stumped?

Answer: Chad Pennington wearing a Dolphin uniform, ending your season.

What Now Homeboy

Treason on soiled U are THe deceptecon.

shuttling? I don't speak very good english, but I think you mean shuffling.

I dont know much about this Solied Bottom all tanned up and lubed up looks like a Guy from the hills. If i werent a homophobic id take care of him myself.

I would have to say that the grass is always greener on the other side and in this case Walters being the other side.

While I'm not happy with our current situation I don't think it is a huge need to be trading away people or picks to acquire him. We have two young players in Murphy and Thomas (who is apparently going to be ready for Training Camp) who could fill in and Ike filled in ok last season.

I say lets wait to the end of training camp to see how the younger players have progressed and move on from there.

Jets Rock

I'll do better than that. Let me tell you about the last victory a good Jets QB had.
HINT: It was in the Meadow Lands. Stumped?
ANSWER: It Pennington wearing a Dolphins uniform ending your season.

What Now Homeboy!

Fake GM: I aware of what Thomas said about his return for the start of training camp. That would fall in the four-month portion of his return. But he IS NOT now lifting weights at the level he was before the injury.

Soiled: This blog has had Jets fans and Pats fans trolling on here for years. I trust you guys are strong enough and smart enough to overcome their taunts. Plus, the facts are kind of on your side, no?

As for a mutiny ... well, I'm not too worried. I serve at the readers' pleasure, not the other way around.

odinseye, the chad victory doesn't count b/c we gave him to you to save your rotten ass from saban and the cam years.when last time you won a super bowl my little man ?

As for a mutiny ... well, I'm not too worried. I serve at the readers' pleasure, not the other way around.

Thanks armando for keeping it real.
U my good man, are not a deceptecon ...THis is not your war.

Dear Mr. Fagatron

"U are THe deceptecon"

No sir I am not, I am Underdog, Shoeshine Boy’s heroic alter-ego.

And you sir are not Fagatron but really Simon Bar Sinister.

Well at least that what my girl friend Sweet Polly Purebred says.

Soiled :)

Armando, if the Fins can get Waters for a late round pick, go for it. As much as I like Thomas, Waters is a much more proven player.

Boy, these young Belichick boys sure like to piss off the existing players, don't they?

Can someone please help me with two lessons in english?

number 1. How do you shuttle an an o-line man. Does this mean he train in no gravity at NASA so he know how to feel light?

number 2. We have no acorn in Golfito. Please explain someone how acorn is a good way to also say old football player to sign?

Simon Bar Sinister??? Why WHy this is maddness.

Thanks for the response Armando, I appreciate it

Can't believe the lack of knowledge here. A starting RG is pretty important. We don't have one right now. Don't discount the Parcells connection. Don't count on Thomas this year. Sign Waters....no guaranteed money.

Tried to dumb it down for learning impaired.


estel getty?

Estel Getty??


I thought my fetish{es} were bad!

Half the time I dream about my girlfriend, and half the time I dream about an unbalanced line in the wildcat featuring (from left to right) Jake Grove, Donald Thomas, Vernon Carey, and Jake Long. Do you think those guys can move people out of the way? I think so (just a hunch).

Carlito are u familer with hairy Acorns that have been known to grow ripe in the golfito?

Dear Mr. Hal9000

"Can't believe the lack of knowledge here"

Thank (insert your favorite religous action figure now)God your finally here to raise the overall I.Q. of this blog.

We've got some idiot posting here about UnderDog and David Caridine spanking his monkey.(Dohhh thats me)

But now that your here I feel smarter already.

Soiled :)

Mr hat 9000 i will eat your children!!

Thank u, that is all for now.

You guys are funny today. Carlito this from dictionary.com

–verb (used with object) 6. to cause (someone or something) to move to and fro or back and forth by or as if by a shuttle: They shuttled me all over the seventh floor.

–verb (used without object) 7. to move to and fro: constantly shuttling between city and suburb

who's smarter;
fake gm

Thanks for the assist, HAL.

Jets rock

We won two in a row 72&73. You guys never did win a "Superbowl". The championship you won was in 69. No matter how you slice it, we got your number, always have.
Pennington doesn't count wah wah wah. What do you want a "do over"? You gave us something to save us? Actually what happened was your top brass made another of a long line of blunders. Your GM and HC torpedoed your season before it began, and cost them their jobs. Much like Ryan and co will do again.
No wonder your on the Dolphin Blog. I suspect your really a "closet" DolFan, No?

The Jets won Super Bowl III in 1969.

Oh BOY! Didn't the FINS go to the playoffs. With a beat up line. Now those two back ups have games under their belts. Which means better depth if they don't start and if they do play they'll be more than able to do the job. Not saying THE GODFATHERS won't like to upgrade but we were able to get it done with the same guards we have now.ARMANDO goes nutz for acorns.

Right Guard is gvery important, it has unsurpassed odor and wetness protection.

ok riddle me this odies eye what the total record of wins and losses between the jets and gayphins.

i mean anything less than a right guard would be uncivilized.

Secret. Strong enough for a man but made for a wom... Jet.

The Jets have won 2 division titles in 40 years. Look it up. They have been dreadful forever. Thats why you cant compare the Dolphins history with the Jets. They are an embarrassment of a franchise.

At the minimum, you have to shut up for the rest of the offseason, b/c the Dolphins owned the Jets last year (Phins won the division and the Jets got their coach fired). So at least shut up until next year.

Armando, how would you feel for a trade swap : Waters for David Martin.

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