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Dolphins, Dolfans should monitor Waters saga

All Dolphins fans should monitor the situation between the Kansas City Chiefs and Brian Waters.

We all know the Dolphins are lately not in the business of being interested in 30-year-old-plus veteran players who are unhappy on other teams. But there are exceptions to every rule and, while nothing is imminent or certain, the Waters situation might eventually qualify as such an exception.

Waters is the 32-year-old veteran guard for the Chiefs. Acting as his own agent and in his own best-interest, he has requested the Chiefs trade him. The Chiefs, acting in their best business interest, have told Waters they will consider that option as long as the right opportunity to upgrade their team (read acceptable compensation) becomes available.

Kansas City general manager Scott Pioli, who happens to be son-in-law to Miami football czar Bill Parcells, shares this philosophical mantra with his father-in-law: Everybody's available for the right price.

Kansas City is in full-fledged reconstruction mode with a new coach, new general manager, new quarterback, new offensive and defensive system, and new way of doing things. This new day brought about the trade of tight end Tony Gonzalez. And it promises much, much more change that could include Waters.

So why are we discussing this on a Dolphins blog?

Well, because even as they have shown no public interest in Waters, the Dolphins are keenly aware he's dangling out there as a possible training camp "acorn," as general manager Jeff Ireland likes to call them. Waters as an option has not been ruled out by the Dolphins.

Yes, Waters is older than the profile of a player the Dolphins might like.

But so was Chad Pennington. And so was Jason Taylor.

And the Dolphins aren't so certain they won't have a hole along their offensive line that Waters, graded the 10th best guard in the NFL by Scouts Inc., could plug quite effectively.

The right guard spot has been something of a pain for the Dolphins in that Donald Thomas, the man who won the job in training camp last year, was injured in the season-opener and missed all but one game. Then this offseason he tore a pectoral muscle and his rehab time is between four and six months, which means he could be back before the end of training camp or sometime during the regular season, assuming the team opts to keep him on the active roster.

Adding to the uncertainty is the fact Andy Alleman, who was shuttling with Ikechuku Ndukwe at right guard before becoming the starter at left guard the final four games of 2008, has been hampered by a back condition that has forced him to miss OTA practices.

Coach Tony Sparano said the team is searching for a starting right guard by shuttling Brandon Frye, Ndukwe, and Shawn Murphy, among others, at the position. And while that might end up being the solution to the issue, no one would argue any of the players just mentioned have the resume Waters offers.

So what is likely to happen?

The situation in Kansas City has to reach critical mass and it is not there yet. There are dates that could trip some activity one way or the other. The start of training camp is one such date as the Chiefs might not want any drama or distractions in the locker room the day the new coach and new front office start their first training camp.

Waters was a good citizen at Kansas City's mandatory mini-camp over the weekend, saying the right things, albeit in a not-too-convincing tone. At one point during this interview, Waters is asked if he wants to play for the Chiefs and he answers, "Ah, you know what, yeah, today I do. That's why I'm here. If I didn't, I wouldn't be here. If that changes then the right people will be notified."

Not exactly a resounding commitment.

What if he decides on the first day of training camp that he doesn't? The point is the opening of training camp is one date that could trigger action. The next one is nearing the end of training camp and prior to the start of the season when teams are eager to improve themselves or make long-term decisions on players.

The Chiefs may decide they don't want to carry Waters into the season because that would automatically guarantee his $3.6 million base salary. And the next tripping point would be the midseason trade deadline in October.

The Dolphins will be searching for guard help throughout the remainder of this offseason and into training camp even though they will publicly say they are confident in the players already on the roster and are thrilled with what they have. (What else are they supposed to say?)

You should know that Waters is signed through the 2011 season, according the NFLPA. He is scheduled to make $2.9 million in 2010 and $3.9 million in 2011. You should also know the Chiefs and Dolphins have something of a relationship (as stated above between Parcells and Pioli) and in the fact Ireland and Pioli talked and even pulled off a minor trade during the past draft.

And finally, you should know that guards don't typically bring big compensation on the trade market. Yes, Waters is a three-time Pro Bowl player. But Pete Kendall, a disgruntled player for the New York Jets, cost the Redskins a fifth-round pick in 2007.

The timing of that Kendall trade was predictable -- in August's final week, just prior to the start of the season.

So monitor the Brian Waters news, Dolfan. The final chapter on what he has termed a "saga" has not yet been written.

[BLOG UPDATE: It's time for a live chat! Ok, maybe not quite yet. But Thursday from noon until about 2 p.m. (longer if there's enough feedback), I'll be on here to discuss Friday's opening of the team's only veteran mandatory offseason minicamp and just about anything else on your agenda.] 

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Why the dead fish fans has no class like us ,jet fans ? even their names do suck like Carlito , Hal 9000 and soiled bottom . the only opne i like here is the cuban menace

Prime, I'd do it in a heartbeat. But ...

Martin is in the final year of his contract and is injured right now so this would not happen, at least not at present, and not without him agreeing to a new deal with KC first.

None of that is on the table that I know of.

Liked you in Transformers I, by the way. But there was a little overacting at times.

Dear Mr. Jet in Amore

"ok riddle me this"

How does a Jet fan now when its time to leave ?
If your a Jet fan its always time to leave.

Sorry about Phin fans its the best I can do when working with Jet material there's just not much there.

Soiled :)

That guy: First post about right guard was hilarious. A home run.

Second post? Swing and a miss.

you put rachel ray stomach ad pictures + soiled bottom= dolphin fan in colors

The jets are the 3rd team in their own state the 2nd team in their own home and the 4th team in the AFC EAST.You can tell they suck thats why they come here to be around CHAMPS!

i love reading afc east champs b/c he really into dolphins, not like carlito or soiled or fake gm who just here to learn from us .

Armando

Any word on JT and whether he will be used only as a situational pass rusher. Is there any chance he's being considered as an end in the base 3-4? This would get him Porter, and Roth or Wake on the field at the dame time.

who has a better house;
crowder
jt
marino
henne
wake
porter
NJ PHIN FAN

Dear Mr. Jets Rock

"you put rachel ray stomach ad pictures + soiled bottom= dolphin fan in colors"

Are you comming on to me ?

Though I am flattered I am sorry to tell you I dont swing that way.

Have you tried a Jets Gay chat line ?
I here N.Y is full of them.

Anyhoo good luck in finding that certain someone.

Soiled :)

Jet Rocks

You jets fans are all the same. Your own team sucks so bad you end up here. You try to hang with some real fans, and like the jets you lose again. Then the reality of your situation sets in, and you resort to calling names.
Stay on the porch kitty kat. You can't hang with the big dogs.
Thank God I'm a Dolphins fan.

you stole those lines from me little boy odinseye, i wrote the same thing about you the other day .GOOD TRY.

PS soiled and more soiled

And how is it that so many of you are convinced Donald Thomas is the second coming when his resume includes more significant injuries (2) than games played (1)?


For once I agree completely. I still say no to Waters because I do not think he is needed or worth the cost. I agree that while Thomas has potential he has yet to prove it will be anything other than potential.

Odinseye, there is virtually no chance JT will be a 3-4 defensive end in the Dolphins base defense.

Armando, am I the only one who thought trading Satele away might be a mistake? He was still pretty cheap and could've played provided competition at guard and backed up at C? Who did the Dolphins end up getting for that pick? Nalbone? Might have been able to get him later on in the draft, who knows?

Mark,

I agree with you on Satele. He is clearly a functonal player in this league. I think they traded him b/c keeping him around as a backup (after he was a 2 year starter) would have damaged chemistry in the locker room considering they brought someone (Jake Grove) from outside the organization to take his job. That happens often in the NFL - a free agent is brought in to take someone's job and the incumbent starter is then traded/released so that there is no beef in the locker room.

Mando,
Is that the seventh floor of Jackson MemorialHospital.
(The Psyche Ward)

No higher than a 5th rounder!

No Deal!

I would not trade a pick for a 32 yrd old Brian Waters. The best thing for KC would be to hold him til training camp until lineman get hurt. The going rate is a 4th or 5th for a good 30 yr old lineman during training camp. I think the Redskins got Pete Kendall for a 4th or 5th. Trading a pick for Waters would be something Wannstedt or Spielman would do. That is too rich for a player who will steal reps from the young guys. Let Frye sink or swim at RG and allow Thomas to fight back through the injury to win the position. That's the best way to handle it and I think that is what is going to happen. It's RG Mando. Right Guard. One of the last positions that is needed and one of the easiest to fill. It is not a premier position and the Phins are fine with what they have.

jets rock u jets fans are so classy u all boo EVERY draft pick ur team makes. not to say it's without good reason but still without class. danny boy got put down his final game but at least our retired qb made it 2 the playoffs and won a playoff game! can u say the same about your recently retired qb? admitting is the first step to recovery but i'll save you the shame and tell you NO! now that's class. you and all jet fans hope dream and pray to your respective religous deity that sanchez will be half as good in his rookie year as marino was in his rookie year!

and at least our fans names are original. any fan can put their fav team in front of rock ie raiders rock , rams rock, browns rock, bengals rock etc.

Sammo Rocks

It's funny how these Not Yet fans are on the Patsies nuts all day and night. grow some yourselves then you would not have to come visit a real mans team site. go home

AFC EAST CHAMPS . Till proven otherwise. not the Cheatriots not the Not Yets or the Billy goats but THE MIAMI THATS RIGHT DOLPHINS, GO PHINS.

Mando the first play on this clip shows Donald Thomas toss an ILB to the floor like nothing. I know it's not at DE or DT but, watching all the highlights of Thomas I could, the guy didn't make mistakes.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80a3aeb1/Dolphins-24-Chiefs-0

Q-rex ryan....sammo , who's your daddy next season ?
A-sammo.....sanchez wil lbe my daddy

rex ....crowder, who's your daddy next season ?
crowder.....sanchez will be my daddy

rex.....JT , who's your daddy next season ?
JT.........tom brady will be my daddy

these results based on a football fan poll on best fan base of NFL team making love in bed after their team wins in game day;

1-Steelers
2-jets
3-Bears
4-cowboys
5-new england
6-dolphins
7-colts
8-bills
9-seahawks.....got the picture

Spanenglish?

jet rocks at seasons end when a consective dolphins division title is had i'll gladly approve of you calling me dad. you'll whine and cry and wish you could die but i'll light up a celabratory stogie and together we'll get high . you'll finally know what's it like to feel like a winner, now shut up son and go make yer daddy some dinner!

sammo, sanchez will win the super bowl not like marino who didn't win any rings,it's 8.00 pm and you didn't any dinner yet ?

hows about you list all the jets qb's who never won a ring? too bad favre's don't count huh? marino was great but that's in the past. i'm a late evening eater what can i say?

sammo , did you see this list where you come at NO 6 in love making after your team wins a game , after jets and steelers fans as they come as beasts in bed at NO 1 and 2.i wonder how you do it in bed poor sammo after a game if you do it at all but i can show you if you a make the dinner for both of us .

Last season showed that there is absolutely no depth at guard on this Dolphins' team. Thomas will be good if he's healthy. If he's not, there's a glaring hole at guard just like there was last year.

mando you fraud nobody believes your fake news!

i seen that same list a week ago on this blog and miami was no,4 now no.6 moved down 2 spots during a time when nfl games aren't being played hmmmm could it be most stats are flawed or even thrown off by biased stat takers or maybe the peepz giving the answers are liars hmmm i wonder? and you just offered to make love to a man wonder if gay love was included in that so called list hmmm grab ur ankles take your place atop the list with pride. myb u should holla at jet in lube? or is that lube in jet? to quote jerry and george “ not that there's anything wrong with that”

I like young black boys.

I like to do the nasty on the patio.In the back yard in the rain.

With both my girlfriends

OK just got pop from my lady. I'm not a pimp.

Hey FELLAS my lady is jets fan and I'm a FIN fan. Her Parents are jets fans and her and I have been together for 3 years.So we can all get along. Can you DOL-FANS even think how A BLACK man so happy to see their faces when their team loses to the PHINS on the last game of the year. Did I say my lady is a gorgous white woman with a nice ass.Her dad gave me that look like he wanted to f=== me up.And I LOVED EVERY MINUTE OF IT.

This blog very nasty for weds night. You hear next thing Rex Ryan and his 800 chins say to Channing Crowder? I think the old fatty should watch him mouth. They keep saying he is like him daddy Buddy Ryan. If you know football, like I know football, Buddy Ryan was very mean, but can't throw a punch. Its true go find old footage, he punch like little girl and never make target.

afc east champs,

this is very funny story, but to all kids at home, don't sleep with girls Jets Fan, maybe you catch something.

jets fans, please. denial is not a future. so heres a clue and try to follow. miami has a four year starting college rookie qb yet still a back up to our starting qb you fools gave us. plus he's learning the whole time. you blind jets fans however have a one season of experience college rookie qb whom im sure you desperate souls are planing to start right away out of just that, pure desperation. if you are so sure of your selfs then why are we sitting on a much more experienced rookie qb with no concern? maybe because we are that much futher ahead of the shambles you call the mighty jets. ha! what a joke!

I love the idea of trading for him. Specially if it only costs us a fourth round or better.

OL players can play well into their 30's so we could have a real solid O line locked up for the next 3-5 years.

I say pull the trigger on this guy so there is top talent all across the OL. D Thomas, Frye and Murphy will provide solid depth.

This move would insure the power running game the Fins want will be there. You can't just run between the center and LG all the time, you need a RG that will open holes as well.

Give then a 5th, and negotiate a lower salary for Waters and get him in here.

One of the top 10 guards in the league? That's a no brainer.

And I don't care that he is 32 and may have only 3 years left. Let's win now.

quit deleting my post armando you fraud!

Is 32 really considered old for a guard? A speed position, sure you'd lose a step, but a guard? If it solidifies the line, it's a good move and worse case it provides depth. Trading with a relative is easier than trading with a stranger. lol. I make trades between my controlled franchise madden teams for next to nothing, lol Isn't our philosophy, "it starts with building the lines" ? Long, Smiley, Grove, Waters, and Carey, that sounds pretty damn good to me

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