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Thurs. evening update & '97 Limburger moment

If you are a big fan of sizzling offensive football, skip the top portion of this blog and go directly to the Classic Training Camp Moment. If you are a big fan of stifling defense that is made to look better by unproductive offense, then read on.

The Dolphins defense was active and effective in Thursday's afternoon practice. No, there weren't any great fumble strips or amazing diving interceptions. It was just stay in your gaps, mind your coverage type of stuff.

And so the offense got in the end zone a grand total of once during the two-minute (actually 1:44) and going in from the 20 work. That TD by the third-team offense against the third team defense was a Pat White 20 yard run on a bootleg. White continues to impress me, but only out of shotgun formation, which is apparently the only time he feels comfortable.

White played in the spread offense in college so the shotgun is kin to him. Backing out from under center, he seems to be thinking too much about his drop, his reads, and the pressure around him. He obviously doesn't have to worry about a 3-step or 5-step drop in shotgun. He can scan the field more easily. It suits him.

Keep that in mind as the Dolphins try to find what coach Tony Sparano called a "Pat Package."

"We did that with [Dallas Cowboys QB Tony] Romo his first couple of years in the league," Sparano said. "It was more, 'Let's figure out what this guy can do well for us right now and let's not bog him down with what he maybe doesn't do so well just because the coaches want to do it.' We need to figure out with Pat the things he tends to do well."

What the Dolphins did well in practice this afternoon was pressure the quarterback and cover fairly well. You should know the Dolphins have a timed buzzer on every pass play that goes off when play has taken too long. When that buzzer sounds, the quarterback is considered sacked. Well, the buzzer was the MVP of this practice as it must have collected at least half a dozen sacks.

Joey Porter also had one sack and Jason Taylor collected his second batted pass of the day, the first coming in morning drills.

I am searching my notes for something, anything that sounds like great offense and can't find much. How's this: Ted Ginn Jr must have caught at least four passes on crossing routes. Of course, all netted no more than 5 yards.

Ernest Wilford made a great leaping catch in the corner of the end zone on a ball lobbed by Chad Henne. But alas, he was ruled out of bounds. Nice effort, though.

Today's Classic Training Camp Moment goes back to Aug of 1997. Yes, it was Jimmy Johnson's second season with the Dolphins and, as most new coaches do, they bring in players and coaches they're familiar and comfortable with.

So there was an influx of former Dallas Cowboys (the first of what now has become two such migrations) and there were several former University of Miami Hurricanes also brought to camp. Wide receiver Lamar Thomas was one such former Cane brought in in '96.

Thomas was quite accomplished at Miami but his early career in Tampa was derailed by inconsistent performance and some off-field issues that included domestic violence. Despite this, Johnson brought Thomas to the receiver-starved Dolphins in '96 and was rewarded with the player being on his best behavior for a season.

And things were going well for Thomas until the Aug. 23, 1997 preseason game at Tampa. On that road trip, Thomas was in the team hotel parking lot with then-girlfriend Ebony Cooksey. The two had a very rocky relationship.

Well, at one point in their parking lot visit in the car Cooksey brought to the team hotel, the couple began to argue. It was animated enough that hotel parking lot security noticed and told the Dolphins. Jimmy Johnson was livid that Thomas, with a questionable domestic violence reputation at the time, had allowed himself to be involved in a public argument with his girlfriend. So Johnson sent Thomas home without letting him play that night against the Bucs.

No one would confirm why Thomas was sent home, so I called his then-agent Howard Weinberg, who explained to me on the record the reason Thomas got sent home. "It was nothing, Armando, seriously, nothing," Weinberg said. "But you will not believe me if I tell you."

Tell me, Howard.

"You won't believe it," he said.

I want to know Howard. You need to tell me everything.

"OK, but when you write it, you have to be very careful how this sounds," he said.


"Lamar and Ebony got into an argument in the car because Lamar passed gas," Weinberg said.


"He farted," Weinberg said. "And it offended Ebony and they got into an argument about it. It really is pretty innocent."

So I wrote the story for The Miami Herald. And The Miami Herald refused to publish it because the story had the word flatulence in it. Until, of course, Pulitzer Prize Winning humorist Dave Barry thought it classic enough to use in one of his stories. What follows is two paragraphs from Barry's story:

"Team sources said that the cause of the argument between Thomas and Cooksey was that he didn't want to let her have the keys to a house he maintains in Tampa. But Thomas' agent, Howard Weinberg, told The Miami Herald that the real cause was -- I am not making this up -- flatulence. (You did not read this in The Miami Herald, because the subject matter of the story, written by our excellent Dolphins beat writer Armando Salguero, was deemed to be below the taste standards of our sports section. Fortunately for you, here at Tropic magazine we have no taste standards.)

"Weinberg claims that while Thomas and Cooksey were sitting in her car, talking calmly, Thomas -- to use football parlance -- sliced a major hunk of Limburger, thereby causing Cooksey to rapidly exit the car and yell at Thomas in a laughing and good-natured fashion. The Dolphins contend that it was not good-natured. We'll probably never know what really happened, but since an agent is now involved, the whole matter could easily be tied up in some kind of arbitration for the next 10 years. "

Thomas recovered from this foul start to his Dolphins career and played with Miami until 2000. To this day, he remains one of my favorite people for his good heart, strong sense of competitiveness and desire.

And obviously, I feel pretty good about things today because, after all these years, I finally get to tell the story for The Miami Herald. 


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Please Mando...keep those classic moments coming.

But one question -- if one of those oh so interesting situations comes up this season, are we going to have to wait until the player in question retires to hear about it?

Thanks for the update and I love the classic moments.

Classic stuff Mando... keep 'em coming!

Look Mando,

I don't really like you because of the attitude you take toward your readers (clickers), and I haven't posted or read your blog for over a year (I confess I've read your blog twice this preseason since I follow you on twitter).

But being that Lamar Thomas is one of my favorite unfamous dolphins, and this story about him is outstanding, I gotta give you mad Kudos. Kudos to Barry too for giving you your due credit.


We all know you are a Penny guy, but can you be fair to Henne and how he is doing. He may have to step in if Penny gets hurt. Some good PR wouldn't hurt.

Jahndoh, I'm not sure about that attitude thing. Look, I appreciate everyone on here and encourage everyone to come back every day and several times a day if they like as I update often.

Anyway, thanks for coming back and I hope you continue to do so. I got another Lamar story, but I'm not sure it happened during training camp so I have to get that straight before sharing it.

thanks for the good story!! that one and the jimmy johnson/warren sapp story were fun to read after long days at work!

On a camp note...haven't heard much about Kendall Langford. How is he progressing in year 2? I think the development of him, merling, Solial, and McDaniel is a major key to this team. Thanks!


It seems like Camarillo and Ginn have the top 2 receiver spots and Bess is the man in the slot. I also really like what I'm hearing about Turner... What do you think Turner's role would be as a 4th receiver, how do you see him fitting in?

I farted. It stinks.

Cameron wake had 2 would be sacks ( whistle blows to stop play ) albiet playing with the 2nd team defense against the 2d team offense , it still shows he's making great strides. this is a good sign. Like i've said all along Patrick turner( a BEAST !) is going to be a STEAL !

Taco night here at casa de Boog'...

Funny story of Thomas, keep it coming. It is good to see Turner perfoming well and Hartline too.

sanchez going to be famous next year and thanks to the fins

Hartline just has to be a servicable #5 receiver and he'll make the team. He's one of the best special teams players the Dolphins have. He can return punts and is a good special teams coverage guy as well.


mando, care to comment on greg cote's passive-aggressive swipes at your judgement in his blog?

viandazo, who's greg cot's ?

its 2009. that was over 10 years ago... any more about what went on 2day?

havent heard much about gibril wilson. how is he looking in the secondary?

Dude Mando i about pissed my pants laughin at that story. amazing. good camp updates too, can't get it anywhere else.
P.S. I don't know if anyone else notices but i've noticed u and cote taking ur subtle shots at each other n it's kinda funny. don't kiss and make up cuz i wanna see more of it.

viandazo, for what it's worth, mando took his own shot a week or two ago about their personal feelings about the dolphins getting vick so i guess it's just cote getting even. it's kinda funny (mando is cooler though)

Yeeeeeeeeeah BOOOOOOOOY ! Where's everybody at ?

why we can't be nice to each other and you may get some meat balls as a gift from your monkey papa

first, derrick thomas was a complete bad nightmare for qb's. any one know the the team he had like 10 sacks on in one game? next, please tell me collinsworth is not taking over monday night as well. if so, i guess i will now be well rested for work on tuesday's because he suck's, cant stand him, and if i watch, it will have to be on mute. sorry al. next, who honestly is worried about our receivers? i mean come on who the heck was flacco throwing to? rivers? hasselback the superbowl year? brees? etc, etc. were styling with wide outs. tired of hearing distress over that position. vick sucks, farve is retired, brady's term is about complete, and the phins defense looks bad a$$. come on preseason, finally dolphins BRING IT TO THEM!

"Jahndoh, I'm not sure about that attitude thing. Look, I appreciate everyone on here and encourage everyone to come back every day and several times a day if they like as I update often.

Anyway, thanks for coming back and I hope you continue to do so. I got another Lamar story, but I'm not sure it happened during training camp so I have to get that straight before sharing it.

Thanks for the response Mando. I will be back, and I hope it turns out I was wrong to leave in the first place.


How is Ricky looking this summer?

Mark my words yall, he will bring something surprising along the way, at just the right time, e.g. break off a 180yd game in the playoffs.

Mando. I actually like the 'classic' moments you've been sharing. It breaks up the monotony of reports on training camp and various tedium that results from the season not being here yet. If I were you, I'd keep those coming. Nice. Thanks for the training camp tidbits. It would also be nice, just for the sake of knowing, why that kid, SirVincent Rogers just up and left camp. Did he just realize he was no match for these guys or what? Anyway,....I'm out! Peace man.

Dude, you have to write a book about this stuff. The three classic moments so far have been awesome. You do a great job.

Hey Mando very nice of you to put out the welcome mat for jahndoh. I've noticed him on other dolphins blogs and wondered why he didn't spend time on the best one ... yours.

You usually bring good threads jahndoh. I'm glad you're here too.

"A quick word on the Dolphins: The team still is lacking at wide receiver. Unlike some others in the local media, I haven't stopped thinking that, done an about-face and gone all a-swoon over Miami's WR corps based on the scant evidence of a few practices. The lack of a proven, defense-scaring, playmaking target for Chad Pennington remains the team's biggest concern, followed by the secondary."

-- Greg Cote

Take that Salguero! Just cause you know more football than me, write better than me, have more sources and readers than me, and ripped me when I wanted the Dolphins to sign Ochocinco and favre and Michael Vick, I'm not going to believe you're right and I'm wrong again about the current receivers.

I know things dammit! I really do! Just ask me.

For those of you that don't know, Greg Coat gets no respect here in South Florida. He makes a fool of himself signing (badly) on some radio shows and nobody puts him on any of the local shows. The guy is a tool. And he better not mess with my boy Armando or the Army will come for him.

We is gonna have to reply in kind to your classic moments cause you be killin us.

We's will be updating our boring play by play blog with cooler ghetto slang and hip-hop references. We's gonna also talk about our playin career in pop warner and lets everyone think we played at a higha level.

Until then, stop being so dang entatainin.

I'm with Lamar, and that is why i do not have a girlfriend, i can't fart whenever i please.


The Lamar whoever item is a really worthwhile story and will not dissuade me in anyway from coming to this blog for info. Nor will it take you down say, 9 notches on a 1-10 scale of respect or make me think this is a place for sleaze. Thanks for sharing and stay classy.

I once suggested that we keep Jason Taylor and trade a certain member of the sports media when he brought up the subject of a draft pick for JT.We got him back at a bargain basement price and it looks like he is going to be a major part of our defense this year.As events played out trading him worked out well for the Fins.I am happy that this was one of those very rare occasions where I was wrong.


"very rare occasions where I was wrong"
You are full of yourself...you pizz ant.

Hi everyone! Love the dolphins!

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