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How would Vincent Jackson look in Miami?

When I sat down in front of the keyboard this evening, I had every intention of discussing either Cameron Wake's improvement, or the dominance of the Dolphins' running game, or a couple of other subjects I have planned for this space in the coming days.

And then I remembered it has been at least a couple of minutes since I complained about Miami's receiver crops. So, that's the direction I'm going because I know some Dolphins decision-makers read this blog.

And maybe, just maybe, if you and I beg enough for the eventual addition of talent to that WR corps, the folks that make the decisions will do something to improve the situation -- just so you and I will finally shut our no-football-knowing mouths about it.

Here's the deal as I see it: Dolphins management has done a satisfactory, but unspectacular job of collecting receiver talent. The focus has been on the offensive and defensive lines and Bill Parcells and Jeff Ireland have done a magnificent job of making the Dolphins not only solid, but bordering on elite along the two lines of scrimmage.

You must remember Miami has the best running game in the NFL and is No. 2 against the run league wide. So the job of building the foundation is accomplished.

Now can we make it possible so the offense can pass the ball even a little bit?

Soon -- as in now if they can swing some trade before the deadline, or next offseason at the latest -- Parcells and Ireland absolutely must add a difference-making receiver. Why? The Dolphins sorely, dearly, painfully lack one. (Have you read that here before?)

Parcells and Ireland have tried to address the WR position in their first two seasons. Ernest Wilford was a strikeout. Davone Bess was a stand up triple considering he came as an undrafted rookie. Rookies Brian Hartline and Patrick Turner are too new to judge.

Meanwhile, Greg Camarillo and Ted Ginn Jr. were already on the roster when Ireland and Parcells began remaking the team in their images.

Regardless of all that, not one of the players I just mentioned is elite.

So Miami's receiver corps is bottom third in the NFL -- somewhere between No. 20 and No. 28 or so. And one elite receiver would raise that level to anywhere between No. 10 and No. 19. And that's really what you need to compete for championships if you're running the ball as well as Miami does and stop the run as Miami is doing.

So what can the Dolphins do?

One name I will throw out now and will continue to repeat until free agency begins in 2010: Vincent Jackson.

Heard of him? Last you saw him, he was catching that deep ball over Will Allen and Yeremiah Bell in San Diego. Before that, he caught another deep ball over Sean Smith and Gibril Wilson. And before that he caught 59 passes for 1,098 yards last season for a whopping 18.6 yard per catch average.

He's on a similar pace this year with 20 receptions for 373 yards and two touchdowns. Divide the 20 into 37 and, yeah, he's averaging 18.7 yards per catch this year. He's also on pace for a 1,400-yard season.

For perspective, the Dolphins currently do not have any wide receiver averaging more than 9.9 yards per catch.

Anyway, Jackson will be available next offseason. If the NFL and the players come to a collective bargaining agreement, Jackson will be an unrestricted free agent. If the union and the league don't come to a new agreement and the 2010 season is uncapped, Jackson will be a restricted free agent in the offseason.

Why do I know Jackson will be available? Well, San Diego GM A.J. Smith has said he won't sign Jackson to an extension until after the season. Guess what? After the season, all bets are off and anything becomes possible.

Now, I am not yelling at the top of my lungs for the Dolphins to consider this even when it doesn't make sense. This is not a request to add a problem child like Brandon Marshall or Chad Johnson or Terrell Owens. Jackson did have one DUI arrest last January that has yet to be adjudicated, but his record is otherwise clean.

Meanwhile he is catching 73 percent of his targetted passes. He is 6-5 and 230 pounds. He runs the 40 in the low 4.4s and actually ran a 4.38 when he was coming out of Northern Colorado five seasons ago. He is 26 years old. Let me repeat, he's 26.

He plays hurt as he did last week when he caught four passes for 56 yards -- his worst outing of the season -- while playing with a bruised knee versus Pittsburgh. And as for his toughness?

Well, let's just say after the game, Pittsburgh's James Farrior said something to Jackson and the two had to be separated by teammates. After the game! And Farrior is a linebacker. That is a departure from having receivers that head for the nearest sideline to avoid contact.

I recognize restricted free agents don't often switch teams because you have to give up a draft pick for them. Guess what? I'd give up a first-round pick for Jackson. He was, after all, drafted in the second round in 2005 and is now on the brink of being an elite player.

I also recognize 2010 free agency is a long way off. That's fine. More time for me to remind everyone Vincent Jackson would look mighty good in a Dolphins uniform.

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Did anyone at game hate the fins song after touchdowns?

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Dolfan's have a voice!!!!

This is the petition to change the Dolphins fight song back and keep tradition alive........

Lets get a million people to sign!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Support the movement!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alfonso, It is a fantastic song... c'mon, sing along with me ...
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Finally something I can agree with you about, but first re-sign Ronnie

Mando,

Because of cap issues the Fins may not be able to sign a guy like Jackson. Ronnie Brown still needs a new contract, and I think he gets the front seat when it comes to big contracts.

Yeah, I know there may not be a cap next year, but there will be a cap as soon as a deal gets done between the teams and players.

It's just cheaper to draft the answer at WR. Or sign a very talented WR that is flying under the radar, develop him and pay him decent money.

I just think they've put sooo much money in other places that paying a top notch proven WR might wreck their cap situation.

I wish we could adopt Jackson to the ginn family it would take a huge load off Teddy

Look we all know that Ginn was drafted to be our return man, not a receiver. Like I've said before, trade Ginn while we still can. I know that the Chiefs are open to hear trades for Dwayne Bowe from LSU. This kid is from South Florida, he went to Norland High School and he has been the Chiefs go-to receiver for the past 2 years. BTW, he's 6'2 weights 221 lbs. Also, I am open to the Braylon Edwards idea, but that seems like a long shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvWn_yGaA-Y

The Fins stole their old song from the Oilers.
As a Dolphin fan even I was embarrassed. The Oilers rolled out the song on a MNF game when the Oilers won 35-30 on an Earl Campbell 80 something yard run. Sidenote: This was about 1979. Csonka was back with the team after the WFL debacle and a stint w/ the Giants (where he fumbled on the famous "Miracle at the Meadowlands" handoff from Pisarcik and Herm Edwards ran it in for the Eagles who had no timeouts w/ 31 left on what should have been a kneel down play). Csonk ran for 88 yards in that game. One of the greatest games ever, but like the San Diego divisional game they lost.
Anyway the next season the Dolphins rolled out the same studid Houston Oliers song with Miami worded in. That was the sleaziest PR thing ever. Fins has to go, but lets get a song with some balls that speaks to the power and glory of the greatest organization on the face of the Earth.

Just cut Ted(no testicular fortitude)Ginn jr. and his clip board holding daddy..

The reason none of our WR's have an average of over 9.9 yards is because we had a QB that didn't throw it more than an average of 5.8 yards per toss this year! As of last week, we now have a QB that can toss the ball however far you want him too......lets see how Hartline, Bess, Cam and Turner do now! But I do agree, we need premier receiver while the before mentioned mature.....lets bring in Marvin Harrison for the rest of the year.

LOL< 1st rnd pick??????? whatever, JAckson would be a good pick up, but not worth a #1. evaluate like this. He does not have greta speed, but does have decent hands, uhhhhhhh we have that already in Cam, Bess. What he does bring is Height. ALso, when you play on a team with a asmart QB like rivers, & threats @ RB like LT & Sproles playaction is huge, Not saying we dont have that but HEnne i sstill learning. remember Wilford was a beast in Jville before he moved to Miami, a benefit of MJD, & fred taylor setting up passing game. I say go for it, but not at the price of a #1. ALso Braylon Edwards is a no-go, he is anotehr Ginn. They passed on Boldin, so go build it in the draft

someone asked what happened to Wilford, well we cut him, his old team, Jacksonville signed him, and as of Sunday's games go, he caught as many passes as Ted Ginn did... except his was 29 yards, where our 9th overall pick had his for 4 yards... yeah.

Armando is the Cuban Menace? I don't know, but that line about Ginn going to sideline make me thinking.

I like Vincent Jackson, but come on Mando. Its midseason and we have important Monday Night Jets game coming and you writing about receiver free agency? come on! How bout you write about:

Rex Ryan fat face?

Or Sanchito the turnover machine?

or Crowder the comedian?

or Henne the Hero

or Ronnie the Rabid Beast?

Or Wake Jt's sack apprentice?

just some ideas.

I am cool with the likes of a Vincent Jackson or Braylon Edwards as long as we don't give up either a 1st round pick or multiple draft picks for them, but I still believe we should pursue a WR in the first round as well.

Dez Bryant, the kid from Kansas, Decker from Minnesota comes off the top of my head...Anyone of those three are going to be studs in the NFL. At least of them should be there for Miami to take.

Top draft priority will be RB & LB. This is Williams last year. And in an uncapped year Ronnie becomes an unrestricted free agent.

how does this sound for u Armando?

Braylon Edwards for a conditional pick, 3rd round if we dont make the playoffs, 2nd round pick if we do, 1st round pick if we make super bowl

WR's will start to make more plays because we now have a QB that can throw a rope into coverage and give them a chance to make a play. That's what NFL QB's and WR's are paid to do: make the hard plays. Perfect example was the throw to Fasano in the end zone. When Penny was in there then the velocity of the throw was questioned. Everyone on the team realizes now that if the reciever does not make that play the blame is 100% on the receiver.

Dreamers here this: we're in week five, our job is to play this season. With mighty few exceptions that means playing with what we've got now, and that includs Ginn. I would like to see the coaching staff get the last drop out of the talent we have now and take care of next year when it gets here. Look at what happened in one week by opening the door to some young blood. One can only wonder what Wilford would have meant to us now that we have a strong arm.

In the real world there is a thing called "time and place utility". Sure there's talent out there but until it's available to the Dolphins it's just a distraction.

It's kind of like having the most beautiful woman in the world live next door as your neighbors wife.

Think like coach, ask you're self "what can I do with what I've got."

Why would you even ask this question? Stupid!!!!! How do you think he will look? He is 6-5, 230lb and runs like a deer!!!! Enough said!!!! Armando, if you don't have anything to say worth while, wait until you have an epiphany and then speak!!!

first to address a few of the comments on here...
gonzalez and ginn went to ohio state not michigan. i have a feeling if you had them switch teams everyone would be raving about ginn and wondering about gonzalez. having manning throwing and reggie wayne opposite you makes a huge difference!!


second, this thought we need to get new inside LB's...
we are number one against the run because of channing and akin! and i contend that neither should be covering the TE. it should be a safety or at worst an OLB not an inside guy.


third, i do think we have an actual future star receiver on our roster in brian hartline. i think we have a top slot guy in bess. what we need is for someone to step up on the other side of hartline. we can get through this season with either ginn stepping up, or camarillo. i think there will be a number of choices out there at season's end. th giants are loaded with young talent and can't keep them all. boldin still wants out, i'd definitely take marshall if he was on the block!! his reason's for being angry were legit! no to old TO. b. edwards? questionalbe hands like ginn. our guy turner must suck if he can't be active with his size and speed on the roster. we just haven't found the late round gems like other teams. look at mario manningham or mike sims-walker. with our running game clicking those big passing play will come sooner rather than later. henne took a couple shots. henne's biggest weakness as i see it is a lack of feel for the pocket. no clue when to move or get rid of the ball. hopefully that improves! luckily we didn't lose either of his 2 fumbles. but if he keeps doing that it will kill us in a game or two!


lastly... i really hope we don't abandon the wildcat with pat white. the one pass play he got worked perfectly, he just overthrew it. the other few plays were a waste. standing in the shotgun with brown and william a foot away and handing it off up the middle?? and no, thigpen can't move like white, not even close!! that was a stupid trade. we could have signed garcia, a proven winner and a guy who could have continued helping henne and white develop for free!! white is a winner at every level so far. the staff has spent most of their time with him changing everything, his footwork, his throwing motion and his drops. so sure that has slowed his progress but he can run the wildcat passing game. he can move, he is both fast and quick, he has the arm strength, he has very god play action motion, and he can take a hit when he runs. his is the same size as drew brees, so he in't too small to play! you don't set an ncaa record for yards rushing if you're too small to take hit!! he needs to be given plays that use his skills. i think this monday night game will be wildcat crazy and will introduce new packages, just like the pats game last year. it will shock both the jets and the pundits and put us back on track, just like the pats game. i see a surprise blowout win. 48-20

Armando:

Hw bad is Turner, can we give the guy a chance to prove him self ? i have not seen him since the pre-season whats up with that? its not like we are overflowing with receivers..

Like always, Tuna will draft a DE in the first round. A LB in round two... maybe a WR in round 4 or 5 who know...

You guys are making way too much out of Henne right now. He's played one game. He completed 14 passes for a little over 100 yards. He played a nice game but didn't do anything differently than the other Chad. I have faith that Henne will progress and be a good QB for us but most of you posters are acting like a strong arm will cure all our problems in the passing game. How about the fact that our line can't protect? We gave up 6 sacks to Buffalo! How about the fact that we have mediocre at best receivers? Stop glorifying Bess and Camarillo because they helped us win games last year, they just flat out aren't that good. Ginn is a joke. Haven't seen enough of Hartline and Mando keeps talking about Turner but I haven't seen him on the field at all. For the passing game to work we have to be realists. If the running game continues to be superb and the line can protect, Henne can scratch out games in the low 200-yard mark, but strong arm or not, this passing game is not going to be better than mediocre this year. Get real.

sorry, Im all for OchoCinco, Boldin, or Hightower in a Dolphins uniform. These guys make spectacular plays and have a good jump on the ball. We need a guy like those three ! (fizgerald will never be for sale)


I say let Turner Play!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we will find out if he has it or not just let the guy play

Keep beating the drum Mando! Any receivers that could be possibly be on the trading block this year? Maybe we'll soon find out. If we get back in the race I wonder if a receiver will come available.

anthing would be better than our "OHIO STATE" duo! when ya look for recievers why would you ever go outside of fla? Boldin,Johnson,murphy,harvin, need i go on?

Armando, I'm with you 100% on Miami's need for a WR (it's ridiculous not to see that, right?). But you're off on your analysis of Vincent Jackson. He's good but not worthy of a 1st or 2nd round pick. His next contract will be through the roof! I live in the San Diego area & have watched this guy under-achieve for (what seems like) an eternity. Please remember that Jackson is the 3rd or 4th option on San Diego's high powered attack (depending on Sproles).

In Miami, he'd be the #1 option & get all the attention. This reeks of Alvin Harper or Peerless Price failing when they left potent Offenses & became exposed as #1's.

Armando, can you start giving us a clue about Patrick Turner? The guy seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth. What the hell happened there? At the very least he'd help Miami's Red Zone woes, right?

Hrrmm.. the passing game just isn't the focal point of this offense. This is a running, ball control offense obviously.
I think you people are overreacting. Everything is progressing nicely. I would like to see Hartline on the field more often though. That kid looks like a baller. But you aren't going to see any receiver getting tons of yards and touchdowns on this team. They want to run the ball, period. And they should with Ricky and Ronnie. Run blocking is the O'lines strength. They are dominating. It wouldn't make sense to throw the ball all over. They are converting 3rd and 4th downs like crazy.
The passing game is fine.

"THAT GUY" Thank you very much for your insight on the Dolphins, 'er the Oilers, fight song. I knew they had the same song (which Tennessee adopted, I think), but wasn't sure whose was first.

Either way, the old Dolphins song is really cheesy & doesn't belong associated w/ an NFL team. The T-Pain version is the same freaking thing with different 'instruments'.

The dominance from 1973 is long gone, let's move into a new era. For starters it's time for a new song, & new uniforms! Add a true #1 WR & Miami will be legit in 2010.

We need to give Turner a chance to prove himself before we trade for draft picks.It seems like a waste to draft Turner and not use him in a real game situation just to roll the dice on another reciever.This isn't Las Vegas.

You killed us aginn. Figurative, of course. Does Tony Soprano really read your blog. He don't even now our name.

"Guess what? I'd give up a first-round pick for Jackson."
thats why you write about sports and dont run a team.

Awesome idea, awesome video. I almost cracked up at the post that said Jackson is San Diego's No. 3 option. Stupid, that was.

He is their No. 1 option. He is a stud. He regularly makes plays we haven't seen out of a Miami receiver since Irving Fryar was here.

Get a clue, people, the guy is elite.

The interesting thing to me is that Jackson does it against the two best cornerbacks in the NFL.

He plays against Champ Bailey and Namdi Asomugha four times a year. And if you watch the video, he made Asomugha look like a high school CB.

Get him!

Keep beating the drums, Mando!

What about Boldin?...Lets go get Him NOW.......

You are spot on Armando. Sparano is always talking about quarterback friendly receivers and Jackson is definitely quarterback friendly. For the guy that said we should bring in Braylon Edwards, that's ridiculous! For someone that is an NFL receiver, the coaching staff should not be spending there time coaching him how to catch the ball. With the addition of Vincent Jackson, he would make an immediate impact and step into the role of a true number one receiver. Right now we have a crew filled with number threes.

Did we learn our lesson trading a 2 to Philly for Feeley (hey, rhyme)? Or all the other draft picks we gave away for someone else's trash? This is the first yr in ten we kept all but one of our picks. Now that we know how to pick, lets keep picking in April.

I heard Jerry Rice is available

Pricemaster. This is NOT Ricky williams's last year. He just signed a 1 year extension about a month ago.

Anybody on here questioning jackson's talent doen't know what the hell they're talking about. He's not SD 3 0r 4rth option ! LOL. He has no speed ? The man runs a 4.4 at 6 - 2 230. Lmao. Draft a wr ? Wr's are a crap shoot and you'd have wait 2-3 years to develop. Jackson is only 26 years old and has been in the league a # of years . NO waiting ! Please get a clue !

Mando,

Should have stuck with your first two ideas! Do you really think the Dolphins , their scouting department and coaching staff are not aware of Vincent Jackson or that ANYTHING you post would influence what they do?

You remind me of my ex , closet full of cloths and shoes , we're going out and she needs a new dress or shoes ! How about trying to put together an ensemble with what you have and enough with the window shopping already!

Westerfin, and exactly what does miami already have at wr ? :}

Never post but cannot resist this time. Westernfin, the Dolphins do not have a closet full of great receivers. They've been shopping in consignment shops and Goodwill and that's what they've got ... a bunch of not-good-enough receivers.

And if the Dolphins don't read this blog, then they are more stupid than you give them credit for.

1st round pick for Jackson? u gotta be kidding me! You can sign a Housh with the money you have to pay him and draft a vontae davis type. what you are saying Mando? come on!

Play Turner, some players shine at game time, play the dam guy!!!!!!!!!

I'm tired of watching highlight videos of non-Dolphins. make a post bout how to fill the stadium with Phins fans this monday.


Play Turner. I say we start a play turner chant, it wont hurt. I mean if we can play gin with the expectations of zero production because thats what Gin produces Zero, why cant we play the rookie he might just hold on to the ball.


Copa,

I'm quite sure the Dolphins are aware of their need for a better wide receiver , that's why they drafted two this year. Personally I think Brian Hartline is going to be fine . If Patrick Turner doesn't pan out I'm pretty sure they will address the wide receiver position again in the draft.This isn't fantasy football , it's one brick at a time . Also if an acorn falls their way I'm sure they'll pick it up.

In the meantime they will work with what they have in the closet and surly not look at fans for advice or opinions.In the meantime the closet says RUN the ball!

Where's the live blog?

"wear the aqua shirts with white pants whenever the opponent wears dark jerseys."

Oops, I meant whenever the opponent wears WHITE jerseys. Sorry...

Why would we give up a 1st round pick,... in a healthy draft

We have greater needs...
SS- Y.Bell is older and good, but not great?
NT- P.Soali is doing well, but is he elite?
ILB- Akin is older "not great" R.Tober still can't unseat him
RB- If we lose Ronnie, then what Ricky can't carry the ball 30 times.
QB- We'll see where we are at by the end of the year...

I don't dislike V.Jackson but I am tired of giving up draft picks...

Let's also bring in Rivers and Guates while talking to the chargers.

If we get VJ, I would have to trade him in my FF league. Can't have Brown and Jackson on the same team!

This could be a good fit for the Dolphins but why we first give P.Turner and B. Hartline a real chance to prove why we pick them. Turner had been inactive for the first four games. It doesn`t make sense to have player inactive while we keep struggling with our pass attack

A NO.1 Receiver, automatically turns MIAMI into a CONTENDER! Bottom LINE!!!!!

Okay first of all I forbid anybody else from bringing up the name Braylon Edwards and Miami in the same sentence. he's terrible, just awful. he's just a taller equally bad version of Ted Ginn.

This just in, neither Ted Ginn, nor anybody in his extended family can catch a football. why is he still here? seriously what was better about his upside than Brandon London. Is Ginn still growing? is he gonna get any taller? no and even if he did he still wouldn't be able to catch a football or make anybody miss.

Ted Ginn reminds me A LOT of John Avery. He's really fast and his best days are ahead of him.... in the CFL.

John Beck, Samson Satele and Lorenzo Booker all have one thing in common, 2007 Dolphins draft picks that have all been sent packing. somebody take Ginn to the airport and send him back to Ohio. please.

never thought I'd say this but, where have you gone Marty Booker? even if he did trip over his own cleats and ruin any chance of picking up some YAC at least he could get open. well maybe the defense didn't feel a need to cover him since he fell down all the time anyway.

is Will Allen taking the same stuff Booker was?

Hakeem Nicks was the guy the Dolphins needed to take in the first round, not Vontae Davis. If the Dolphins took Hicks they likely could have still gotten Davis instead of Pat White. The Pat White pick was/is a disaster. He looks like a kicker snuck on the field to line up behind the center as a joke. Why they don't explain to him that he's not getting any meaningful playing time on the field this year as a QB and start getting him practice reps as a WR is beyond me.

okay, solutions Julio Jones, AJ Green (both sophs) or Dez Bryant (jr) if any of them come out early. Trades? Vinny Jax or Brandon Marshall, say what you want about Brandon but he's a beast.

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I agree that spending a high draft pick on a WR is a very risky. Vincent Jackson would be a great pickup if you can get him.
What is really disappointing is that Ginn hasn't stepped up like we hoped. I was hoping he would develop into a Steve Smith-type WR... small but strong and fast. He should have packed on a dozen pounds or so of muscle since he got here but I don't see it. Is dedication a question? I am cheering for him and would like to see him step-up.

Just like Ricky and Ronnie are all of a sudden piling up yards because of an offensive line now...A quarterback who can throw the fricken ball will solve the problem...Dan Marino threw completions to the fricken 5th string full back. Besides Duper/Clayton and maybe Fryer and Jackson who did he throw to? Last night Favre took the same WRs from last year and made them look like pro-bowlers. How about Cutler with the same basic garbage as last year in Chicago. Payton Manning is making some guy named Pierre look like Jerry Rice. If Henne can gun it no one wants to see TURNER,BESS,HARTLINE,FASANO,GINN. You put Manning, Rivers or any Elite QB back there without changing him every year with this line and running game? WATCH OUT!

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