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Josh Cribbs, sure, but at what price?

The Miami Dolphins talked to the Cleveland Browns about Joshua Cribbs last season -- once for sure in the days and weeks before the October trade deadline and perhaps once another time much earlier.

Obviously the Browns, which traded away talent like it was going out of style, didn't budge on trading Cribbs. But all that may change now.

The Browns have a new football czar in Mike Holmgren and apparently Cribbs and his agent have gotten the message that a new contract is not in the immediate offing for perhaps the most outstanding and electric return man in the NFL.

So Cribbs believes he's played his final game in Cleveland. "Thanks everyone," Cribbs wrote this week on his twitter feed. "I love playing for the browns (sic) & put my all in to (sic) it, but it doesn't look good 4me(sic)  at this point on (sic) returning. I don't believe I made the to do list for the team in 2010."

Why does Cribbs believe he's gone? Because on-going negotiations yielded an offer from Cleveland that would have paid him approximately $1.4 million per season over the next six years with approximately $400,000 to sign. I must say that's a lowball offer.

And Cribbs agrees. "I'm sorry guys," he said. "I don't want to seem greedy but fair is fair and there is no way around that. I'm the best at what I do but the lowest paid ..."

So Cribbs intends to request a trade on the first day of the new league year and hold out if he doesn't get one.

"We’re going to formally put in a request for a trade,” agent J.R. Rickert told NFL.com. “He will not set foot in that facility again. If they had offered even something like $2.5 million per season we could have worked with them, but to me this offer is indefensible."

The fact of the matter is this is Mike Holmgren's first contract squabble in Cleveland. I doubt he wants to lose it. The fact is Cribbs is over-performing on a contract that has three years remaining. The fact is both sides have good leverage.

So don't be surprised if the Browns try to turn this mess into a draft pick with which Holmgren can bring in "his guy."

Enter the Miami Dolphins.

As we know, they need dynamic playmakers because there are precious few of those on the team. They could stand an upgrade at punt returner and kick returner. They could also use Cribbs in the Wildcat package, which he ran quite effectively in Cleveland. He averaged 6.9 yards per rush in 2009.

Oh, and did I mention Cribbs took snaps as a wide receiver also? He caught a modest 20 passes for 135 yards but obviously that is not his primary value.

His primary value is special teams. He returned three kickoffs and a punt for touchdowns this season. He has 10 return TDs in five seasons.

The downside is the guy does fumble. He had six fumbles in 2009 while fulfilling all his various duties. For perspective, you should know Davone Bess led the Dolphins with six fumbles in 2009.

So should the Dolphins be interested in Cribbs? Of course, they would be. But would they pull the trigger on a trade that would also involve paying the guy a new contract? That another matter.

If all Cribbs wants is $2.5 million per year, you should know the Dolphins are paying Ted Ginn Jr. an average of $3.5 million per year. Which is the better player?

And if the Browns are asking a second- or third-round pick for Cribbs, it probably sounds like an exceedingly high price to pay. But I remind you second- and third-round picks don't always turn into good players.

The Dolphins spent a second round pick on Pat White last year. They also spent a third round pick on Patrick Turner. Neither contributed very much, if at all, in 2009.

So what would you do?

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New owner take control of football operations...NEVER!!! He don't know anything about football.

ARE YOU STUPID, WE HAVE 8 WR'S??? A BUNCH OF OLBERS??? PORTER, AND CAMARILLO WITH A SECOND, IS GREAT!! GIVES US THE CAP ROOM, TO ACQUIRE MARSHALL, AND LETS US TO KEEP OUR FIRST ROUND. NOT TO MENTION WE HAVE 3 SIXTH ROUND, AND 2 SEVENTH ROUND PICKS FOR DEPTH. Or we can just keep rotating Camarillo, and Hartline, Bess, keep turner on sidelines, and ginn, and rotate Porter, with wake, and anderson, and complain about crappy wr's.

The worst thing about all this is we have to wait another 2 months for the start of the free agency period, whilst I think Wilfork may happen and Marshall has to/should happen in all reality it probably wont as this management don't have a history of doing anything headline worthy so I can't imagine how they intend to solve the WR position!!

OR WE CAN TRADE PORTER, AND A SOLID NUMBER 3 WR CAMARILLO, WITH A SECOND ROUND TO DENVER WHO WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ALL THREE FOR MARSHALL, WHO IN RETURN WOULD SET UP OUR OFFENSE LIKE CRAZY!!! AND GO AFTER THE BEST S, IN FIRST ROUND, AND GETTING A BUNCH OF MLB'S IN LATER ROUNDS. BUT I GUESS THAT MAKES TO MUCH SENSE.

Sorry but the expression, the new owner may be looking for his own people. He is looking for business and a DIVA is problem in the locker room but is money in the pocket ( merchandising, etc)

We better be getting more than just Marshall for a 2nd rounder, Porter and Camarillo. I would think those 2 players for Marshall would be enough or just a 2nd round pick only....

You as a person in charge of football operations would give up WAY to much for players and have a terrible team!

Hate to break it to you guys, but this won't happen for anything less than a 2nd rounder +

Cribbs is a game changer. In fact, he single-handedly won the Browns a few games this year, including one against Pittsburgh to knock them out of the playoffs. He is the ALL TIME NFL Leader in Kick Off Returns for Touchdowns at age 26. He has to be accounted for everytime he touches the field and the attention paid to him was a huge contributor to the Browns improved running game down the stretch.

Would love to get our hands on this guy, but thinking anything less than a 2nd rounder and more picks/players is ridiculous.

Yeah Denver would want prob a first round, and them some for Marshall, we wont give up our first round, however our second round choices have been pretty crappy of late, fine offer all three, and make them give a 6th round, or senvth with Marshall, whatever it takes.

Ginn and a 4th for Cribbs...nothing more. This seems rich but in the end is really only a fourth for a dynamic player + a slight dump of salary. I really can't see them taking Ginn though.

What about that dude that was returning well in training camp but busted his arm? Is he still in the mix?

Of course Denver would like all 3 of them for one player, because it would be way to much.

Isn't this particular article/blog about Cribbs and not that worthless crybaby, problematic WR Brandon Marshall?

You don't even know if he is on the trading block, because that is all specualation...

I gotta give ya credit Josh I would love us to get Marshall and Wilfork more than anyone else out there and do tend to agree with you buddy, if you're persistance forces Tuna to change his philosophy then we will all owe you a debt!

I know what my team has, and what it needs, and willing to do whatever the cost to make it happen. Denver with Orton, and a old defense wont matter much. Mia with GINN, BESS, HARTLINE, MARSHALL, with our running attack, and young solid defense would.

Josh Cribbs and his family should be Miami Dolphins

Pats got Moss for a 4th round pick...

You damn right, you owe me a beer, to much, for what What has Porter done this season, except get benched, because he cant cover wr's, and tackle RB'S, and only gets 8 sacks. Why keep Camarillo, when we have a better, faster cheaper, Hartline??? Have our second round picks realy done alot???

Our starting QB (Henne) for years to come is a second rounder

Al Davis is senile. McFagels isnt Davis, he is greedy, and wants compensation. So instead of number one round picks, give him somone we can afford to lose, porter, and Camarillo. Our second round picks, besides Merling, and Smith, havnt panned out, so realy?

JOSH is the sharpest one on here. Marshall is a BEAST, he may be the best WR in the NFL. A panel of HOF players voted him over Fitzgerald and Johnson. Guess where Marshall is from....Florida!! Parcells brought in a diva at Dallas and New York. Get Marshall, Wilfork, get rid of Gibril, Porter, Ginn for whatever they can get. Draft a LB or Safety!

So you want to keep EXPENSIVE PORTER? who is a shell of his former self? You want to keep Camarillo, who is 4th on our roster, who you going to draft in the second round, that is better than Marshall??? We can get Wilfork FA, so tell me, WE can get Taylor Mays first round, or another solid Safty, and be set in all three of our biggest needs, our third, fourth, and fith, BUNCH of six, and sevenths, can get depth, and MLBS.

Yeah and we wouldn't even go for Moss for a 4th!!!!
Josh I agree with you buddy, hope and pray it happens but don't think it will, I have no confidence in this managements ability/willingness to trade picks for gamechanging players, they would rather gamble on the draft and play it safe which keeps us in mediocrity!!

Please trade the editor who put "(sic)" in the Cribbs quote 4 times!

Also...in regards to the 6 fumbles.

Cribbs lost 2 of them. In 517 career combined touches he's lost 3 fumbles.

The other 4 fumbles this year took place on special teams and all of them went out of bounds or were recovered by the Browns.

This writer is simply going to cbssports.com and looking up stats he can find to justify devaluing Cribbs. Lazy, lazy, lazy.

Cribbs. Cut Ginn in an uncapped season. Let Cameron have him. Cribbs is a strong guy and a play maker. Screw Pat White...he can't run inbetween the tackles like Cribbs.

FORGET CRIBBS! CRIBBS WONT EVEN BE A ISSUE.

I love Ted Ginn. We need ou thumbs to go in this direction

If we dont get Wilfork, and Marshall, i wont even watch next years debacle.

Cribbs would be a waste, just a waste.

I've had several 3-ways, and I'd have to agree, more often than not it's not all that glamourous...Not that it wasn't fun occassionally, but, I could live without it...

Im telling ya we need to go after Marshall, and Wilfork. Do what ya gotta do Ireland. Make it happen, and we are instantly playoff calibur. Draft the best S, or MLB in first round, and draft alot of depth, then we are instantly SB calibur.

:)

Unless they cut him, forget it. Don't wanna give away picks for a guy that only touches the ball a couple times a game.

Johs, you have to much of a hard on for Marshall...

Jerry Jones brought in TO in Dallas, not Parcells!!

Armando you need to make some columns, talking about trading for Marshall, and get that rock rolling, and also going after Wilfork, we the fans need as much exposure to that as we can thanks.

Josh and Canfin is the same person...

You realize we can't go after ANYONE for another couple months. The playoffs have not even started...

You're not trading football cards here, kids. There are salaries and contracts involved.

The simple fact is this: nobody is going to give us ANYTHING for Ginn, Wilson, White, Turner, J. Allen, Porter, or any of our other assorted busts / underachievers. We'll pay them to play or we'll pay them to walk.

The good thing about the uncapped year is that we can clear off the dead weight without cap implications. The bad thing is, a lot of the FAs will be restricted so it'll be harder to replace even mediocre players.

Cribbs is great, but we have more pressing needs. We don't need to give up high picks for a return man.

Likewise, we have about a 1 in 32 chance of getting Wilfork. I'd love to see it happen, but don't hold your breath. Also, Belichick is a pretty shrewd talent evaluator - if he lets Vince walk there'll be a very good reason for it.

Don't you think Chicago will try to re-unite Marshall and Cutler (both cry babies)?

An uncapped year if no CBA is reached = ANY contract can be terminated without penalty (salary cap hit)

So BIG contracts won't really matter...

Jay, we have a 1/32 chance of getting any player in the NFL. Way to go Captain Obvious!!

We not the same person f.ck wad, however we think alike, in that we know the best offseason moves for our team, unlike the rest of you. CHICAGO has already given up the bank, to get Cutler, and is spent in the Draft bank, douitch-bag.

I don't waste a draft pick or overpay a punt/kick returner... I'd rather use that pick/money on an a new weapon for the offense.

We have a returner. We need a play-making reciever.

Josh, please shut it about trading for Marshall. It won't happen. Don't get me wrong, I would take him for a 2nd or 3rd. But it isn't going to happen. Just forget about it. Dude doesn't even always play good. He has outstanding moments, but that's it.

Could we trade away picks?

Can White return punts?

My point, Indiana, is that we're not the only ones who'd be interested in him. With the uncapped season ahead, most of the "big name" UFAs will end up RFAs instead. Wilfork is a UFA no matter what- so potentially he'll be "the" big free agent in this class. He'll get Haynesworth-type money, with a big part of it frontloaded in the uncapped year.

Parcells is too shrewd to play that game. Wilfork will end up on a bad team playing for an owner with more money than sense.

Wilfork will end up somwhere where, he can make money, and actualy contend, who doesnt like south beach? Come on We got the second highest paid team already, money is not a issue. Wilfork will be ours, there are two solid 3-4 NT in the league already, and what 20 teams use 3.4 defense? You might be surprised about use acquireing him. So you dont want marshall huh, tell me LOL this will be good, who do we get to fill in the ELITE WR role, somone PLEAE tell me, all im getting is BS stuff like no Marshall, yet i didnt once read ANYWHERE ABOUT A BETTER SOLUTION TO OUR MOST OBVIOUS PROBLEM???? GO AHEAD FLOOR IS YOURS!!

All these teams are going to give Miami all their good players for our underachievers. This is NOT Madden or your fantasy league. This regime is very cautious with draft picks. Wilfork AND Jackson will be tagged and it will cost us at least a 1st and 3rd or 2nd and 7th rounders.

If 2010 is heading for an uncapped then we get whoever is out their without worrying about $$$ as Ross said. But this teams needs a lot of work and it's coming through the draft and not FA.

Marshall is a diva, that's the reason the Broncos sat him down in the final game with a "hamstring" when they still had a chance to make the playoffs playing the Chiefs!

Wilfork is a mammoth man and NE might let him go for a 1st and 3rd to rebuild their defense quickly but as you know from our situation, NT's don't grow on trees.

SD already said they will do ANYTHING to keep Jackson and money won't be an issue.

Can we all get back to reality? Because Cribbs will be good for another year or so like Devin Hester and then struggle to become a receiver.

Save the Draft Picks!!!

NYFINFAN YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING WILFORK IS A UNRESTRICTED FA IDIOT@@@!!!! AND HE IS UNHAPPY IN NE, GO LOOK AT NFL.COMS ARCIEVES, MCDANIELS DONT CARE ABOUT MARSHALL, WHICH IS OBVIOUS, HE CARES MORE ABOUT HIM BEING RESPECTED THAN WINNING, AND IS READY TO DEAL MARSHALL. WE WILL USE OUR FIRST ROUND PICK, ON EITHER A SAFTY, OR MLBER. MONEY IS NOT A OPTION TO ACQUIRE WILFORK, BECAUSE OF UNCAPPED YEAR!!! MARSHALL, WILL REQUIRE SOME COMPENSATION, AND WILL BE WELL WORTH IT!!

What you going to find a True number one elite wr in the second round this year? LOL. We aint going to go after one in the frist round. The best two NT's will be gone, should be gone. That leaves us with a Safty, or a MLB. Which is exactly what we need to draft in the first round. I perfere the game changing Safty.

I bet Indianapolis would be willing to give us Peyton Manning in exchange for Ted Ginn and this ball of smelly lint I just found in my belly button. Do you think they'd agree to subsidize part of his salary, too?

I liked the Pat White pick, problem with him is, they changed his throwing Mechanics, and Didnt use him where he was needed most, as the flanker in the Wildcat. Thats why he is a waisted pick. You can blame the coachs for screwing up Whites throwing ability.

The floor is ours huh??

Was Marshall a stud his first or second year? Tell me one WR that was a complete pro bowl stud in their first year...

So, in return, how do we know Hartline won't be pro bowl caliber next year. If the Bengals choke against the Jets maybe Ochocinco would be available via trade. He also is from Florida. TO will be available...

I am not saying we need to do any of these options I listed above, but all I am saying is I don't think we need to get Marshall. I have never denied his talent, but I think he carries to much baggage! I believe we can find a Hines Ward, Donald Driver, ect. type player. NOT A misbehaving cry baby who is not a team player...

None of the following Parcells draft picks started thier first year in the league: Phil Simms, Tom Brady, Tony Romo, Chad Henne, it's a long list these names are top of mind. Bret Favre, Philip Rivers and Aaron Rogers both sat the first 2 years in the league but he obviously wasn't drafted by Parcells.
My point: just because a draft pick doesn't play the first year doesn't mean he sucks.

Patrick Turner doesn't suck. Patrick Turner is the receiver that turned Mark Sanchez into the #5 overall pick in the draft.

TO MUCH BAGAGE YOU WOULD RATHER GO WITH OCHO CINCO? THAT RETARD. LOL 31 YEARS OLD? GETS FINED EVERY GAME, AND IS A MOCHERY OF A PLAYER GET REAL!! WE CANT FIND A HINES WARD, OR DRIVER THERE OLD WHAT 35? 33? COME ON GET REAL, WE NEED A LONG TERM ELITE WR, NOT A OLD BUSTED UP RETARD. GOOD GOD SERIOUSLY DOLFAN THATS YOUR ARGUMENT? 35 YEAR DRIVER, 33 34 YEAR OLD WARD?? 31 YEAR OLD OCHO CINCO?? MISTER MOCHERY.

You say money is not an issue this year with no cap, but what happens the year after when there is a cap and we can't afford half our players? Be reasonable...

Money does not always buy championships in one year. Look at the Yankees...they didn't win for how many years and pay a TON of money every year. The NFL teams only have one year where they can pay any amount of money...

I love Hartline, ive liked him since training camp, but he is white. Welker, and other slot wr's are the only solid white wr's, there will never be a Calvin Johnson white wr, just wont happen. So Hartline will be a solid wr, but we need Marshall. Thats our best choice 25 from FL, butting heads with Denver, and undervalued, beause of that.

Since Denver is going to lose 1 or 2 recivers the move is to trade Camarillo to Denver for a linebacker.
That frees up the depth chart to activate Turner and we can draft a wr later on to replace Turner on practice squad.

That's why you hose hounds can't make any money.

thank you jay!! finally someone who isn't running the franchise like he's playing madden.

trade ginn, porter, ect.... what do you people think these players are worth. r u serious???

porter high salary...bad knees.. makes 10 plays a year. yeah I'm sure some teams gonna offer a 2nd rounder or want to package him for brandon.

ginn... guy can't catch. runs out of bounds. had 2 good returns vs jets and then what? yeah package him in a deal. sure he'll get lots of interest.

teams generally don't trade for players that teams may eventually cut.

as for wilfork. no way pats don't slap franchise on him (without new CBA teams now have 2 franchise tags to use). even if they don't want to sign to big contract they will not let him walk for nothing...remember cassel.

I didn't say I would get those exact players, just using those type of players (Ward, Driver) as an example. Ochocinco is not a cry baby and a bad teammate. He gets fined because he has fun playing the game and gets the fans into the game. Have you ever seen Ochocinco punting balls in practice or not catching balls on purpose or failing to make a team meeting?

I am not going to say we need to go get this exact player or that exact player, because I am not in charge of any football teams operation. I am just stating the type of players that would nice to have on a team that fans would like...

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