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Free agency on the way -- one way or another

Well, salary cap or no, there will be some sort of free agency starting on March 5. On Wednesday the NFL released the list of veterans with at least six credited seasons and an expiring contract that would constitute the sadly diminished class of 2010 unrestricted free agents should there be no new collective bargaining agreement and thus no salary cap.

Check out the list. There are 236 players on it along with the agents that represent them.

There are a couple of interesting names -- Karlos Dansby, Julius Peppers, Chad Pennington. And some of these guys will contribute to teams in 2010, no doubt about that.

So you tell me which ones you would target for the Dolphins.

One more thing: I included the names of the agents that represent these guys so note Jason Ferguson's agent. Jimmy Sexton represents the soon-to-be free agent nose tackle. Sexton also represents Bill Parcells and Tony Sparano.

Translation: If Ferguson is going to play in 2010, the Dolphins will get first dibs on him. No doubt about that.

By the way, you following me on twitter yet? I'm 108 followers short of 3K. Want to get there by this weekend. Follow me.

 

Accrued            
Seasons Club Player Pos Starts Current Agent*
10 ARZ Becht, Anthony TE 10 Rosenhaus, Drew
9 ARZ Beisel, Monty ILB 0 Price, Charles A.
12 ARZ Berry, Bert OLB 5 Flanagan, Anthony Emerson
7 ARZ Bridges, Jeremy G 4 Cook, James A.
10 ARZ Brown, Ralph CB 1 Capra, Patrick
6 ARZ Dansby, Karlos ILB 16 France, Todd E.
9 ARZ Gandy, Mike T 12 Dogra, R.K. Ben
10 ARZ Kreider, Dan FB 3 Bauer, Frank
7 ARZ Morey, Sean WR 0 Clohisy, Michael B.
11 ARZ Okeafor, Chike OLB 13 Simms, Andrew E.
10 ARZ Rackers, Neil K 0 Roche, Robert S.
13 ARZ Robinson, Bryan NT 15 Bartelstein, Mark
6 ARZ St. Pierre, Brian QB 0 Smith, Rick E.
6 ARZ Ware, Matt SS 1 Unknown
11 ATL Booker, Marty WR 1 Brothers, Raymond
7 ATL Gilbert, Tony MLB 0 France, Todd E.
6 ATL Haynes, Verron RB 2 Bolar, Robert Terry
7 ATL Redman, Chris QB 2 Branion, Joby
11 ATL Schneck, Mike LS 0 Sheehy, Paul R.
10 ATL Stecker, Aaron RB 0 Slavin, Ronald Benson
8 ATL Williams, Brian CB 5 Feagan, Jordan
10 ATL Zelenka, Joe LS 0 Sharbaugh, Vern G.
8 BLT Bannan, Justin DT 2 Mills, Thomas H.
6 BLT Edwards, Dwan DE 9 Bauer, Frank
7 BLT Ivy, Corey CB 0 Rosenhaus, Drew
13 BLT Mason, Derrick WR 16 Smith, Lamont
7 BLT Smith, L.J. TE 0 Mackler, Brian
7 BLT Tyree, David WR 0 Clouser, Mark
7 BLT Walker, Frank CB 1 Murtha, Frank J.
7 BLT Washington, Kelley WR 2 Speck, Chad
8 BUF Denney, Ryan DE 0 Lock, Ethan
11 BUF Draft, Chris OLB 3 Strickland, Vernon M.
7 BUF Johnson, Todd SS 0 Schaffer, Peter J.
8 BUF McKinney, Seth C 1 Cindrich, Ralph E.
14 BUF Owens, Terrell WR 16 Rosenhaus, Drew
8 BUF Reed, Josh WR 4 Dogra, R.K. Ben
7 BUF Scott, Bryan SS 9 Johnson, Edward G.
8 BUF Simmons, Kendall G 3 Metz, Eric
6 BUF Stamer, Josh OLB 0 Lattinville, Robert H.
7 CAR Brayton, Tyler DE 15 Mills, Thomas H.
9 CAR Feeley, A.J. QB 0 Dunn, David L.
8 CAR McCown, Josh QB 0 McCartney, Michael S.
14 CAR Muhammad, Muhsin WR 13 Segal, Joel G.
8 CAR Peppers, Julius DE 14 Carey, Carl Edward
14 CAR Thomas, Hollis DT 13 Bauer, Michael R.
9 CAR Vincent, Keydrick G 16 Branion, Joby
8 CAR Wesley, Dante CB 0 Hicks, Russel V.
6 CHI McClover, Darrell OLB 0 Rosenhaus, Drew
9 CHI Ogunleye, Adewale DE 14 Rosenhaus, Drew
8 CHI Peterson, Adrian RB 0 Kremer, Kendall
7 CHI Tinoisamoa, Pisa OLB 2 Sullivan, Michael F.
9 CIN Graham, Shayne K 0 Dunn, David L.
7 CIN Johnson, Jeremi FB 8 Schaffer, Peter J.
6 CIN Johnson, Larry RB 7 Schaffer, Peter J.
6 CIN Johnson, Tank DT 13 Unknown
11 CIN Kelly, Reggie TE 0 Sexton, James E.
10 CIN Williams, Bobbie G 16 Agnone, Anthony J.
8 CIN Williams, Roy SS 4 Woy, Jordan
7 CLV Furrey, Mike WR 4 Unknown
6 CLV Gaines, Michael TE 7 Agnone, Anthony J.
6 CLV Hadnot, Rex G 6 Rickert, John W.
8 CLV Poteat, Hank CB 2 Levy, Brian M.
13 CLV Tucker, Ryan G 0 Coletta, Joseph M.
6 CLV Yates, Billy G 0 Bass, George A.
7 DAL Holland, Montrae G 0 Feinsod, Jonathan
13 DEN Berger, Mitch P 0 Dunn, David L.
7 DEN Fox, Vernon SS 0 Self
8 DEN Gorin, Brandon T 1 Linta, Joseph Michael
8 DEN Greisen, Nick OLB 0 Leshnock, Brad
9 DEN Hamilton, Ben G 8 Schaffer, Peter J.
9 DEN Hochstein, Russ G 10 Linta, Joseph Michael
12 DEN Holliday, Vonnie DE 3 Fabrikant, Cary Mark
15 DEN Law, Ty CB 2 Poston, Kevin D.
7 DEN Lloyd, Brandon WR 1 Humenik, Mark
7 DET Ciurciu, Vinny OLB 0 Schaffer, Peter J.
6 DET Cook, Damion G 0 Unknown
11 DET Culpepper, Daunte QB 5 Self
7 DET Fitzsimmons, Casey TE 1 Hoven, J. Daniel
8 DET Foote, Larry MLB 14 Levy, Brian M.
7 DET Heller, Will TE 9 Williams, Philip C.
9 DET Henry, Anthony CB 6 Colton, Jerrold D.
9 DET James, William CB 14 Slavin, Ronald Benson
11 DET Jansen, Jon T 2 Smith, Rick E.
8 DET Manuel, Marquand SS 6 Slavin, Ronald Benson
7 DET Ramsey, Patrick QB 0 Sexton, James E.
10 GB Clifton, Chad T 12 Sexton, James E.
12 GB Green, Ahman RB 0 Branion, Joby
8 GB Kampman, Aaron OLB 9 Hurst, Jonathan R
9 GB Pickett, Ryan NT 9 McGuire, Kennard
10 GB Tauscher, Mark T 8 Cornrich, Neil
7 HOU Brown, Chris RB 4 Morgan, Ryan W.
8 HOU Campbell, Khary OLB 0 Flanagan, Joseph M.
10 HOU Ferguson, Nick SS 1 Reale, John P.
7 HOU Grossman, Rex QB 0 Rosenhaus, Drew
7 HOU Pittman, Bryan LS 0 Gold, Kevin
8 HOU Pitts, Chester G 2 Kessler, Andrew
10 HOU Reyes, Tutan G 0 Kremer, Kendall
6 HOU Robinson, Dunta CB 16 Chayut, Jason T.
8 HOU Russell, Brian FS 1 Frankel, Mitchell
12 HOU Salaam, Ephraim T 0 Branion, Joby
7 HOU Thompson, Chaun OLB 0 Mackler, Brian
15 HOU Turk, Matt P 0 Canter, David E.
7 HOU Walter, Kevin WR 14 Dunn, David L.
16 HOU Zgonina, Jeff NT 2 Self
7 IND Brackett, Gary MLB 14 Mackler, Brian
20 IND Stover, Matt K 0 Steiner, Jim
9 JAX Forney, Kynan G 0 Kiernan, Sean E.
9 JAX Hayward, Reggie DE 1 Smith, Fletcher N.
6 JAX Wilford, Ernest WR 7 Rosenhaus, Drew
10 KC Brown, Mike SS 16 Lock, Ethan
9 KC Chambers, Chris WR 14 Dogra, R.K. Ben
6 KC Copper, Terrance WR 2 Del Duca, Ronald M.
6 KC Ryan, Sean TE 8 Feinsod, Jonathan
7 KC Smith, Wade C 9 Parker, Brian D.
13 KC Vrabel, Mike OLB 14 Cornrich, Neil
7 KC Wade, Bobby WR 6 Stanley, W. Jerome
13 MIA Ferguson, Jason NT 9 Sexton, James E.
6 MIA Jones, Nathan CB 5 Scott, Everette L.
10 MIA Pennington, Chad QB 3 Condon, Thomas J.
13 MIA Taylor, Jason OLB 15 Wichard, Gary
8 MIN Hicks, Artis T 3 Rickert, John W.
6 MIN Kennedy, Jimmy NT 1 Condon, Thomas J.
7 MIN Lewis, Greg WR 1 Sarnoff, Kenneth R.
6 MIN Sapp, Benny CB 7 Shavers, Alonzo L.
8 MIN Taylor, Chester RB 0 Sarnoff, Kenneth R.
7 NE Banta-Cain, Tully OLB 10 Unknown
7 NE Bodden, Leigh CB 14 Unknown
9 NE Burgess, Derrick OLB 6 Sexton, James E.
11 NE Faulk, Kevin RB 7 Brothers, Raymond
8 NE Green, Jarvis DE 12 Elias, Albert G.
9 NE Hanson, Chris P 0 Rosenhaus, Drew
8 NE Neal, Steve G 12 Hurst, Jonathan R
19 NE Seau, Junior ILB 0 Demoff, Marvin
6 NE Watson, Benjamin TE 7 Rosenhaus, Drew
6 NE Wilfork, Vince NT 13 McGuire, Kennard
17 NO Brunell, Mark QB 1 Tollner, Bruce A.
11 NO Campbell, Dan TE 0 Roth, Leonard S.
10 NO Clancy, Kendrick NT 0 Del Duca, Ronald M.
8 NO Dinkins, Darnell TE 3 Benedict, Andrew Read
8 NO Fujita, Scott OLB 10 Yee, Donald H.
15 NO Kyle, Jason LS 0 Bauer, Frank
6 NO Leckey, Nick C 0 Harris, Ken
10 NO Miller, Billy TE 0 Poston, Kevin D.
11 NO Prioleau, Pierson SS 1 Mackler, Brian
13 NO Sharper, Darren FS 14 Segal, Joel G.
9 NO Spicer, Paul DE 0 Self
8 NYG Carr, David QB 0 Sullivan, Michael F.
10 NYG Clark, Danny OLB 12 Branion, Joby
22 NYG Feagles, Jeff P 0 Self
10 NYG Robbins, Fred DT 12 Mackler, Brian
9 NYJ Dearth, James LS 0 Mackler, Brian
9 NYJ Douglas, Marques DT 12 Feinsod, Jonathan
9 NYJ Feely, Jay K 0 Schwartzman, Glenn A.
6 NYJ Fowler, Ryan ILB 0 Herman, Alan
6 NYJ Hartsock, Ben TE 7 McCartney, Michael S.
14 NYJ Izzo, Larry ILB 0 Rosenhaus, Drew
15 NYJ Richardson, Tony FB 10 Dye, Patrick F.
10 OAK Green, Cornell T 12 Williams, Philip C.
7 OAK Joseph, William NT 0 Rosenhaus, Drew
9 OAK Seymour, Richard DE 16 Parker, Eugene E.
12 OAK Wade, John C 0 Cook, James A.
8 OAK Walker, Langston T 2 Dubin, Stephen L.
7 OAK Williams, Sam OLB 2 Hoffman, Michael R.
6 PHI Babin, Jason DE 0 Rosa, Richard M.
6 PHI Jones, Sean SS 9 Mackler, Brian
11 PHI Trotter, Jeremiah MLB 7 Woy, Jordan
7 PHI White, Tracy OLB 0 Fisher, Jay M.
12 PIT Batch, Charlie QB 0 Kremer, Kendall
8 PIT Boiman, Rocky OLB 0 Herman, Alan
10 PIT Carter, Tyrone SS 12 Bechta, Jack D.
8 PIT Clark, Ryan FS 15 Turner, Joel E.
7 PIT Eason, Nick DE 5 Wyatt, David S.
14 PIT Galloway, Joey WR 2 Trell, Shawn A.
9 PIT Hampton, Casey NT 16 Overstreet, Brian E.
13 PIT Kirschke, Travis DE 7 Bauer, Frank
6 PIT Parker, Willie RB 3 Hendrickson, Douglas J.
8 PIT Reed, Jeff K 0 Henderson, Donal A.
12 PIT Townsend, Deshea CB 2 Schaffer, Peter J.
9 SD Boone, Alfonso DE 4 Domann, Craig E.
9 SD Manumaleuna, Brandon FB 4 Sheehy, Paul R.
9 SD Norman, Dennis C 0 Blank, Bradley K.
7 SD Osgood, Kassim WR 1 Rosenhaus, Drew
14 SD Runyan, Jon T 0 Dogra, R.K. Ben
7 SD Scott, Ian DT 7 Metz, Eric
6 SD Wilson, Kris TE 0 Smith, Lamont
7 SEA Burleson, Nate WR 12 Sarnoff, Kenneth R.
7 SEA Griffith, Justin FB 11 McCartney, Michael S.
10 SEA Houser, Kevin LS 0 Sharbaugh, Vern G.
7 SEA Lewis, D.D. OLB 0 Uberstine, Gary A.
9 SEA Lucas, Ken CB 6 Cook, James A.
13 SEA Mare, Olindo K 0 Rosenhaus, Drew
10 SEA McIntosh, Damion T 2 Tessler, Brett J.
14 SEA Milloy, Lawyer FS 1 France, Todd E.
7 SEA Redding, Cory DE 3 McGuire, Kennard
14 SEA Robinson, Jeff LS 0 Bauer, Frank
7 SF Battle, Arnaz WR 0 Leshnock, Brad
11 SF Bly, Dre’ CB 6 McGuire, Kennard
7 SF Franklin, Aubrayo NT 16 France, Todd E.
14 SF Harris, Walt CB 0 Capra, Patrick
7 SF Pashos, Tony T 1 Smith, Rick E.
10 SF Roman, Mark FS 1 Elias, Albert G.
11 SF Sims, Barry T 7 Vierra, Kenneth F.
10 SF Ulbrich, Jeff ILB 0 Flanagan, Joseph M.
7 SF Wilhelm, Matt ILB 1 Feldman, Steven C.
7 STL Boller, Kyle QB 4 Dunn, David L.
10 STL Hall, James DE 14 Condon, Thomas J.
7 STL Hart, Clinton SS 3 Self
8 STL Lenon, Paris MLB 10 Persch, Jonathan M.
12 STL Little, Leonard DE 13 Speck, Chad
8 STL Massey, Chris LS 0 DiPiero, Joseph Timothy
8 STL McMichael, Randy TE 16 Rosenhaus, Drew
6 TB Allen, Will FS 2 Baratz, Blake Aaron
7 TB Bryant, Antonio WR 11 Smith, Lamont
7 TB Crowell, Angelo OLB 0 France, Todd E.
7 TB Faine, Jeff C 12 Dogra, R.K. Ben
8 TB Phillips, Jermaine FS 2 Dye, Patrick F.
7 TB Wilkerson, Jimmy DE 15 Lewis, Harold C.
7 TEN Amato, Ken LS 0 Huebner, Robert E.
10 TEN Bulluck, Keith OLB 14 Wichard, Gary
9 TEN Crumpler, Alge TE 14 Williams, James D.
9 TEN Harper, Nicholas CB 11 Greengross, Ian
16 TEN Hentrich, Craig P 0 Demoff, Marvin
7 TEN Hood, Roderick CB 4 Segal, Joel G.
9 TEN Kaesviharn, Kevin FS 0 Tollner, Bruce A.
11 TEN Kearse, Jevon DE 4 Rosenhaus, Drew
16 TEN Mawae, Kevin C 16 Bartelstein, Mark
7 TEN Nickey, Donnie SS 1 Chilcoat, Jeffrey R.
9 TEN Vanden Bosch, Kyle DE 16 Agnone, Anthony J.
15 WAS Albright, Ethan LS 0 Conaty, Billy
14 WAS Daniels, Phillip DE 15 Unknown
8 WAS Jones, Levi T 8 Zuckerman, Kenneth I.
9 WAS Rabach, Casey C 16 Agnone, Anthony J.
11 WAS Smith, Hunter P 0 Mills, Thomas H.
6 WAS Williams, Mike T 8 Branion, Joby
13 WAS Wynn, Renaldo DE 0 Schaffer, Peter J.
10 WAS Yoder, Todd TE 1 Irwin, Tim E.

*subject to change

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A good businessman will adjust his decision when some breaking information sheds more light on the problem.
So I dont want JT rehabbing in training camp. Bring 3 rookies and see who sticks.

As far as Dansby goes yes he is an upgrade certainly a proven commodity but going into free agency he will certainly expect more then the six million he was paid last year...and again, if you read his comments hint hint he REALLLY wants to play for the Giants and with Antonio Pierce gone the Giants could use him...I think after March 5th the Dansby-Giants marriage will come rather quickly

MARCUS,
U BRING up a very good point. Mclain always had a free shot a the backfield because DOUGH BOY CODY was taking on double teams all day long.

Derek in WPB, Great points about patience with young players. I don't know how many times I have heard during the season that Pat Turner is a bust. How can you be a bust and never play a down. It is funny because if a CBA was signed, two FA's that people on this blog would be screaming for would be Vincent Jackson and Miles Austin. Here is a news flash, Miles had no catches his first year and Jackson had a dozen or so. Each player did not establish themselves until the third year. If the mob on here would have been in the management, they would have cut or traded those players before they reach the potential and then complain about it for the next ten years (aka Welker). Give it time people.

WestVa,
Pat White is the best athlete and most explosive offensive player on the Phins.
He can run every play that Reggie Bush can - better.
He deserves to be traded to a team that will give him 60 snaps a game as a QB and if it does not work then give him Reggie's role.
Imagine the offense they could put up in Minnesota or Oakland or Arizona with Pat White as QB.

Waterboy, Nick Saban is a mastermind on defense.... He knew how to put McClain in position for the big play but Saban players seem to get over hyped... Remember Laron Landry? He was suppose to be the next Ronnie Lott... He is good, but not that good. He had the size, speed, accolades... But that defense Saban puts on the field makes good players great and great players into Defensive Player of the Year... ex. Jason Taylor

Pat White is 100% on 2 pt conversions. Also he is 100% on 3rd downs when the game is in the last 2 minutes.

Marcus, food for thought, read up on Rolando McClain and his drive and intelligence...They made this guy take plays off in practice because he never let up, and when they gave him plays off he never went to the sideline, he stood by Saban asking questions..He knew where everyone of his teammates on defense were supposed to line up on each scheme..I mean, this quality in this guy is an intangible that most players either can't or won't take the time to learn...like I said, food for thought

Think back to any of Saban's great teams at LSU... Josh Reed, Michael Clayton, Travis Daniels, Corey Webster, Marcus Spears... Not so great in the pros...

PIT Clark, Ryan FS 15
MIA Taylor, Jason OLB 15
ARZ Dansby, Karlos ILB 16
CAR Peppers, Julius DE 14
NE Wilfork, Vince NT 13
NO Sharper, Darren FS 14
TEN Kaesviharn, Kevin FS 0
KC Wade, Bobby WR 6
BLT Smith, L.J. TE 0

WestVaFins - As I probably agree with you on forget about this Fa or that FA, but until the franchise tags are placed on the players we can still talk about getting any FA. We as fans do not know who is going to get tagged and anyone saying they will is just their opinion. As some players are more probable to get tagged, I think we can still discuss the hope of getting any FA until they are tagged.

Waterboy - How many 2 pt conversions has he attempted and how many 3rd down conversion attempts inside 2 minutes has he completed? I think it may be one each. I don't think Lousaka Polite would EVER be stopped on a 2 pt conversion!!! LOL

Bobby, that's great... Joey Porter didn't like coming off the field either... No player does.

Just like people say he is bust a QB for 0-5 throwing, then he is a Pro Bowler going 1-1 on 2pt convertion and 1-1 on 3rd down draw plays

Marcus, maybe u misunderstood, I said read up on McClain and I also said "practice" when I said he doesn't want to come off the field..instead of being an AS"HOLE this early in the morning why don't you try comprehending what somebody wrote??

No Ted Ginn is a bust because he SUCKS!!!! That's why Ted Ginn is a bust.

Marcus, i'm with you on this one. I don't agree with the thought that "spoon is better suited to OLB. He's 240+ lbs, big enough to play inside. As a matter of fact, when you compare his speed, coverage ability, and awareness, he reminds me an awful lot of karlos Dansby. I'm not saying McClain will not be an excellent player but I think 'Spoon is every bit his equal in talent, just different types of ILB. And considering the LBs biggest flaw this year for Miami was covering backs and TEs, I wonder aloud if 'Spoon is not the better fit for Miami?

Personally, I see 'Spoon and Rolando as #1 a and #1 b as ILB prospects. Really can't lose in picking one or the other.

But really to question 'Spoons ability as a playmaker is ridiculous. He will make tackles, cover, and come up with more than his share of interceptions in the NFL.

Easy there Bobby, relax, we're all on the same team here. You have your coffee yet?? Just kidding man!!

Well said boobyd12.... Here is the good part for all of us. No one on this blog has so much as a word to say about what is going to happen, Thankfully... and I include my own dumb ars in that group.
I would hate to see this Management and coaching staff do what Cameron and Wanny did. Cave into the fans gripes and allow it all to get away from them. The need for "Instant Gratification" as you so well dubbed it... would have this team in a full blown fire sale within two years. Honestly, Miami would look much as it did at the end of the great Don Shula's career, when it got past him and we had a gaggle of Offense and could not stop a "Pop Warner Team" from scoring. When Jimmy Johnson was building that Dallas team in the late 80's and early 90's... Dallas fans stayed mad at him because they were used to high flying pass drama... then he brought in Emmit running behind that O-line he had worked so hard to assemble. It was brutal to play that team man. Their O-line and D-lines DOMINATED the NFL for 5 years... coming away with 3 Super Bowl wins... That is how you build a team... not with a bunch of loud mouth hot shots without a football brain between them.

How much money to Clam Chowder get guaranteed? That seemed like a stop gap contract to me.

dolfandave - You say he sucks because the coaches you drafted him tried to put him in a position he was not cut out to be. Do you think any of the true #1 receiers would of been good and considered not a bust if they got drafted to a bad team that went 1-15, then who had a qb (Pennington) who couldn't throw him the deep ball and has only played 3 years? Do you think Ted Ginn would be a bust if he had Manning throwing to him with Reggie Wayne on the other side of the field? I do not think so...

Also, if our brain trust at that time would not of drafted Ted Ginn sso high in the draft he would not have the label "bust". Even in his first year I recall he had 3-4 returns for TD's called back due to penalties, because we were a bad team back then!

I am giving Ted Ginn the benefit of the doubt until we get a true #1 receiver on our team and I want to see him this next season in the 2nd year with Henne...

I agree Indiana, you can't blame Ginn for where he was drafted, just like you can't blame Pat White where he was drafted.

That being said; both of those picks where a reach and could have been better utilized

Too many names. I want to see ages of these guys! If I had to to pick a few targets, they'd be the guys below. Now, when Franshise tags get involved, that eliminates some of them.

Dansby
Larry Foote
Wilfork
Ben Watson
Jason Taylor
Jason Fergusen
Nate Jones
Chester Taylor

Maybes:
Antonio Bryant
Jermaine Phillips
Duntae Robinson

I want to use Ronnie Brown more in the passing game

Bobby, you can kiss my AS"HOLE early in the morning or late at night... Make me no never mind... Wasn't trying to be... Its nice to have drive, most kids who make it have it. They come from adverse situations to make it.

Mark in Toronto, no coffee yet, no work today...Listen, I have no problem with Weatherspoon per se...the man has motivation but I believe his natural position will be OLB...Point on McClain is his intelligence, think Zach Thomas in a much bigger body...6:4 265 vs 6:1 240 and I read Weatherspoon struggled a little to get up to and stay at 240...both will be impact players in the NFL but Weatherspoon will do it at OLB

"They come from adverse situations to make it."


So we need a kid who's parents are crack addicts and he was beaten his whole life and lived in the getto...then we will have a monster LB


lol

Tesla invented the light bulb

Point is we need an impact player with that first round pick, we know McClain is an ILB while Spoony we are not 100% sure...IMO

McClain is not Zach Thomas in a bigger body. He did not make the amount of plays in college that Thomas made in Miami. Oh yeah Thomas had problems fighting off blocks too... Thomas did not have long speed, so his plays were made in the hole or in the backfield... You did not see him trying to make a tackle on someone 5 to 10 yards downfield like I saw McClain do alot this year... Thomas came up with 140 - 160 tackles a year with 80 - 100 being solo...

Bobby I agree... But to me and alot of teams around the league.... ILB is not an impact position in the 3-4 defense.

its funny how most of the jets fans hated on chad pennington when he was a dolphin and now i see them asking to get rid of clemens to bring him back lol wow stick to your gunz fellaz

at least we appreciate the dude for what hes done here

here is the post on espn claytons mailbag

Q: I believe the Jets should drop Kellen Clemens so it appeases the final eight rule of the free-agency policy for the uncapped year. That way the Jets could go for Chad Pennington if the Dolphins get rid of him. Only a few other quarterbacks are better mentors to a young quarterback than Pennington so he would be perfect for mentoring Mark Sanchez and, even with the shoulder problems, he is a much smarter and accurate quarterback than Clemens is. What's your opinion on this?


Mike in Wantagh, N.Y.


A: The strategy doesn't work. In an uncapped year, Clemens is a restricted free agent. Dropping him doesn't open a door for the Jets to sign another unrestricted free agent. Plus, is there a guarantee a team would rush to sign Clemens? If he's not good enough for the Jets, he's only going to be a backup quarterback, at best, on another team. Pennington would be a good backup to the Jets, but that's more for his talent than his coaching ability. A lot of times, the veteran backup quarterback isn't going to go out of his way to help the young quarterback. But if the Jets can get Pennington back just to be a backup, it's not a bad move

Guys in regards to Weatherspoon, his skill set does best translate to the weakside OLB in a 4-3. However, putting him at the 'ted' in the 3-4 is not putting a square peg in a round hole. He could very easily be a player at that position. One concern is with his lack of frame, he may not be able to add the 10-12 pounds that we would like to see. His athleticism and leadership are off the charts. He would be a better than average ILB in our D. if he can run with D McCluster, he will matchup well against the Dallas Clarks of the NFL. But, I think he would be a Pro Bowler with a team like NO or Atlanta, as the weakside guy. Either way, I think his name is one that you will hear often no matter where he ends up in the draft. Opening kickoff and he was down there making a solo tackle, it is obvious this kid just wants to be a great player, no matter what. And the INT in the Senior Bowl was no gimme, like Taylor Mays. If spoon is a Dolphin, I guarantee we will not be complaining at this time next year, no matter where we pick him.

I had a post in regards to ILB last night, naming the guys picked in round 1 the last 5 years. No busts. All good players. 2 that come to mind, Jon Beason and Lawrence Timmons. Neither one gets a lot of publicity, but ask there teams how important they are, and you will get the same answer. Very important. McClain does have some questionable areas, but his intangibles, leadership, dedication, passion can't be measured at the combine. You either have it or you don't. He does. He may not win ROY but will be a very good get for whatever team drafts him.

waterboy,

Crowder was signed for 7 million a year, with 5 million in first year guaranteed. You're right, it was a last minute stop gap. He can be cut any time and cost nothing.

I think there are 4 or 5 guys who if we got, I would be ecstatic. Every player has questions, there are very few sure things. Guys that will realistically be there, that I would be happy with: Rolando McClain, Dan Williams, Earl Thomas, Sean Weatherspoon, and Brandon Graham. Some are better picks at #20 than #12, but these are guys i like. IMO. We can all pick holes in there games, but I think they are all good players who fit what we do, and offer lots of options defensively.

Sean Weatherspoon notables:Nickname is "Spoon" --- Was a three-year starter at Mizzou --- Named 1st Team All-Big 12 in 2007, 2008 and 2009 --- Earned All-American honors in 2008 (3rd Team) and 2009 (2nd Team) --- Led the Tigers in tackles from 2007-2009 and ranks second in school history in that category --- Returned two interceptions for touchdowns during his career --- Also excelled on special teams --- Underwent surgery to repair a torn labrum in his shoulder prior to the 2008 season --- Could project either outside or inside at the next level --- A true playmaker who always seems to be around the action --- Fantastic all-around player with an outstanding blend of physical tools and elite intangibles.

1. True Playmaker
2. Fantastic all-around player
3. Elite intangibles

The guy even takes the ball to the house.... He scores tds...

Re-sorted by position, starts, seasons:
Pos Starts Seasons Club Player
C 16 9 WAS Rabach, Casey
C 16 16 TEN Mawae, Kevin
C 12 7 TB Faine, Jeff
C 9 7 KC Smith, Wade
CB 16 6 HOU Robinson, Dunta
CB 14 7 NE Bodden, Leigh
CB 14 9 DET James, William
CB 11 9 TEN Harper, Nicholas
DE 16 9 OAK Seymour, Richard
DE 16 9 TEN Vanden Bosch, Kyle
DE 15 7 CAR Brayton, Tyler
DE 15 7 TB Wilkerson, Jimmy
DE 15 14 WAS Daniels, Phillip
DE 14 8 CAR Peppers, Julius
DE 14 9 CHI Ogunleye, Adewale
DE 14 10 STL Hall, James
DE 13 12 STL Little, Leonard
DE 12 8 NE Green, Jarvis
DE 9 6 BLT Edwards, Dwan
DT 13 6 CIN Johnson, Tank
DT 13 14 CAR Thomas, Hollis
DT 12 9 NYJ Douglas, Marques
DT 12 10 NYG Robbins, Fred
FB 11 7 SEA Griffith, Justin
FB 10 15 NYJ Richardson, Tony
FB 8 7 CIN Johnson, Jeremi
FS 15 8 PIT Clark, Ryan
FS 14 13 NO Sharper, Darren
G 16 9 CAR Vincent, Keydrick
G 16 10 CIN Williams, Bobbie
G 12 8 NE Neal, Steve
G 10 9 DEN Hochstein, Russ
G 8 9 DEN Hamilton, Ben
ILB 16 6 ARZ Dansby, Karlos
MLB 14 7 IND Brackett, Gary
MLB 14 8 DET Foote, Larry
MLB 10 8 STL Lenon, Paris
NT 16 7 SF Franklin, Aubrayo
NT 16 9 PIT Hampton, Casey
NT 15 13 ARZ Robinson, Bryan
NT 13 6 NE Wilfork, Vince
NT 9 9 GB Pickett, Ryan
NT 9 13 MIA Ferguson, Jason
OLB 15 13 MIA Taylor, Jason
OLB 14 10 TEN Bulluck, Keith
OLB 14 13 KC Vrabel, Mike
OLB 13 11 ARZ Okeafor, Chike
OLB 12 10 NYG Clark, Danny
OLB 10 7 NE Banta-Cain, Tully
OLB 10 8 NO Fujita, Scott
OLB 9 8 GB Kampman, Aaron
SS 16 10 KC Brown, Mike
SS 12 10 PIT Carter, Tyrone
SS 9 6 PHI Jones, Sean
SS 9 7 BUF Scott, Bryan
T 12 9 ARZ Gandy, Mike
T 12 10 GB Clifton, Chad
T 12 10 OAK Green, Cornell
T 8 6 WAS Williams, Mike
T 8 8 WAS Jones, Levi
T 8 10 GB Tauscher, Mark
TE 16 8 STL McMichael, Randy
TE 14 9 TEN Crumpler, Alge
TE 10 10 ARZ Becht, Anthony
TE 9 7 DET Heller, Will
TE 8 6 KC Ryan, Sean
WR 16 13 BLT Mason, Derrick
WR 16 14 BUF Owens, Terrell
WR 14 7 HOU Walter, Kevin
WR 14 9 KC Chambers, Chris
WR 13 14 CAR Muhammad, Muhsin
WR 12 7 SEA Burleson, Nate
WR 11 7 TB Bryant, Antonio

Marcus, lol I should have just done that. That is a great assessment of spoon.

For all these guys saying watch YouTube videos of these guys, check out some of his non highlights, him singing in the locker room. I love Weatherspoon, he is the type of player other guys LOVE playing with

Sup everyone. Crap it took me forever just to get caught up!

Reading through that list (my eyes are still bleeding...), #1 for me would be Dansby. I put him first because we actually have a chance to sign him, assuming Arizona doesn't franchise him. Other players on that list (like Wilfork) are less likely to be let go by their teams. Wilfork isn't going anywhere this year. Next year seems more realistic.

I also like Dansby, because it gives them more options with that 12th pick. If they don't sign a ILB and McClain is available at 12 (which I doubt), then they are almost forced to pick him. But if they sign Dansby, then they can use that pick to fill another need like OLB or NT, or even FS (you never know who will be available). Of course they can also pick McClain as well. Dansby and McClain. I'm not even going to dream about that one...

Just keep in mind the trifecta likes to build a team using draft picks. So don't expect them to trade any of their higher picks for big name players. I do hope they open up the pocket book and get some premiere players signed. The more they do in free agency, the more flexability they'll have when the draft comes around.

Bootang25 - You mention that some picks are better at 20th vs. 12th, but if it is a first round pick who turns out to be a stud does it matter if they are drafted 8 spots higher or lower?? As long as we get a 1st round stud for our NEEDS it will not matter whether that player is drafted 12th or 20th

Indiana, I wholeheartedly agree. Like I said, any of those 5 guys I would be happy with. I am not someone who feels you can't take a guy because he is 6 spots lower on your board. If he fits what you do, of you think he is a stud it doesn't matter where you draft him.

NJ Phin Fan,
god D*MN I am tired of hearing you all over every blog! You think you know everything, but I have heard you say so many rediculous, assinine things I couldnt even begin to keep track. Quit talking to everyone like you are some freakin expert, and go back to Newark, where I'm sure you live. Can someone in the USA's armpit (NJ) please jack this moron and take his computer so we dont have to hear this POS. I'm sure you are some John Clayton look-a-like who has never played football,or has never even touched a fotoball. Have some respect for what other Dolphin fans have to say (most of them are just as knowledgable as you!.. You arent a beat writer, and you dont work for the Phins, so what you say dont mean sht. Also, can you please stop with the "LMFAO" comments, and the constatnt LOL comments.. Its really annoying, and you sound like a F'ing moron.

NJ, you would agree or disagree with my analogy that Weatherspoon is not a square peg in a round hole as it pertains to playing ILB. I think he would be a very good player, but would be a Pro Bowler in NO or ATL. Is my assessment fair?

Lol we asked each other the same question at the same time.

When did 6'2 241 become small for a linebacker? I don't see how he can't play inside? Which linebacker doesn't need to be shielded? Isn't that the role of the NT and DEs in a 3-4? Not a big playmaker yet his stats were better than McCain's with less of a supporting cast.

I think it is far easier to coach a football player to play football no matter the scheme. As far as most busts, oftentimes it is workout warriors or outstanding athletes in which a team says they can turn them into a good football player. If that makes any sense.

Dansby is a linebacker, Junior Seau was another that was flip flopped between ILB and OLB in a 3-4 system because of their athletic abilities. Does it mean they can't excel inside just because they can also play outside? Be careful pigeon-holing players.

Fasano can't block. He's gone I think. Ben Watson is a good blocker. I'd replace Ferguson with Casey Hampton. Paul Solalia will probably start for us next season.

I would make Wilfork my #1 priority

is it just me or is nate burleson not an upgrade at the wr position??

Solaia is the last of the SOMOANS standing.
He will start next season

NJ, I just posted Spoon's notables and it said he was a true playmaker. Where did you get that scouting report? And his stats are better to equal to McClain's and McClain had all his plays funneled to him... Where does that put McClain as a playmaker?

And what is McClain going to do when he gets to Miami and the 3-4 and teammates he played with at Alabama, are better than who he is playing with here?

If Solai starts next season, he's going to need alot of help. When he replaced Fergy, run defense suffered.

NJ Phin Fan,
Thats fine, please just stick to your stupid arguments with everyone, and name calling ect.. Just please dont talk football or Dolphins, and make us have to hear your assinine comments.. I feel more stupid everytime I read you're "analysis".. Actually, I feel a little more stupid just responding to you! Maybe if you spent less time tossing your daddy's salad, and more time watching football, then you would know what your talking about.. Moron

@ 11:45 Perspective:

If Soliai starts next season, we are DOOMED.

He had a few good (not great) moments,but overall he SUCKED.

We must have Fergie back, and either a more reliable back-up or a young prospect to develop.

Paulie ain't it.

The Texas product led the team in special teams tackles as a true freshman in 2005. He stepped into a starting role on the weak side as a sophomore, making 127 tackles (75 solo, 9.5 for loss) to earn second-team All-Big 12 honors.

His reputation as a tackling machine grew in 2008. He was an All-American and consensus first-team all-conference selection with 155 tackles (76 solo, 18.5 for loss, five sacks). He also earned defensive MVP in the Alamo Bowl (17 tackles) against Northwestern.

As a senior, Weatherspoon was named first-team All-Big 12 after making 104 tackles, 14.5 for loss, and 4.5 sacks.

Not all NFL scouts are convinced that he can be an elite linebacker at the next level. He has only adequate size and tends to run around blocks. But Weatherspoon's speed and productivity will convince a team to pick him early in the draft.
CBS Sports Draft Day

Listen, we can quote articles all day long pro and con on Weatherspoon...Fact is, almost every scouting report, NFL digest report and Mock draft puts Sean Weatherspoon as an OLB prospect and second or third best linebacker in this draft..Who is the consensus first, yes Rolando McClain, nothing in life is 100% guaranteed, but if the Fins pass on McClain for Weatherspoon, the boo's from the draft party and criticism will come raining down from around the NFL, it might be a mute point if McClain is gone by 12 or the fins trade down, but there is no way you don't take Rolando McClain if he is there at 12

If we dont have either Dez Bryant, Anquin Boldin, or B-Marsh next year, I'm going to be highly dissapointed. Also, if Bryant or McClain doesnt fall to us, do we trade down? We can prob get DT Williams or LB Kindler or DT Price.. we could probably get one of those players late in the fist round, and then possibly take a gamble on TE Gresham in the 2nd round if he's available

240 is big enough, how isn't it big enough?? Dansby is 250 on 2 more inches in height. That's less bulk.

NJ, its supposed to be laughable... Its a joke. You take yourself too seriously Mike Mayock Jr....

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