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Are the Dolphins close to Saints, Colts? No!

In the aftermath of Super Bowl XLIV, I cannot tell you how many times I've heard this phrase: The Dolphins aren't that far off from winning a Super Bowl. They played both New Orleans and Indianapolis well and should have beaten them. So they're close.

The logic apparently follows that since the Dolphins lost to Indianapolis 27-23 the second week of the season, then lost to New Orleans 46-34 on Oct. 25th, Miami is close to being pretty good because those two teams are obviously championship caliber.

And it's not just fans seeing the Dolphins through this prism.

"I think we're close," Dolphins running back Ronnie Brown said on his Ronnie Brown radio show on 560-WQAM this week. "I think we have a lot of the right pieces to the puzzle. I think we still have a few things we need to tweak and get better at. But as a team, we're pretty close.

"We played both those teams this year and, to our credit, we were in the games and had an opportunity to win both of those games. So that says, as a team, we're close. But there are a few pieces to the puzzle we've got left."

Now, you're not going to like this so if you're not in the mood for an honest dose of reality, simply stop reading now. That way you'll go on about the rest of your day thinking your team is close to being Super Bowl-caliber because it hung tough with the two Super Bowl teams.

The rest of you, read on.

The Dolphins are nowhere near close to the Saints or the Colts.

Some facts:

NFL teams are judged by what they do through an entire season, not by what they do in one game. And during the 2009 regular season, the Colts were 14-2 while the Saints were 13-3. The Dolphins were 7-9. So Indy won twice as many games as Miami while the Saints almost accomplished the feat.

Both the Saints and Colts won their respective divisions and were No. 1 seeds in the playoffs. The Dolphins finished third in the AFC East and didn't make the playoffs

The Dolphins aren't close.

Any logic that suggests one team is comparable to another based on the outcome of one game must be uniform. So anyone saying the Dolphins are close to the Saints because they almost beat the Saints, must then have to keep a straight face as they say the Washington Redskins are close to being as good as the Saints. The Redskins, after all, lost to New Orleans by a 33-30 score on Dec. 6th. And yes, the Saints played everyone in that game and did everything they could to win.

So do you think the Redskins are close to the Saints?

Taking the argument one step further, if you think the Dolphins are close to the Super Bowl champions based on playing them close in one game, you must also believe the Tampa Bay Bucs are better than the champs. Yes, Tampa Bay beat New Orleans 20-17 on Dec. 27th.

And you cannot argue the Saints gave up in that game because Drew Brees completed 32 of 37 passes for 258 yards with 1 TD. He completed 10 more passes against Tampa than he did against Miami. But the Bucs won.

So do you think Tampa Bay fans are foolish enough to believe they're close to being as good or better than New Orleans?

The Dolphins aren't close.

Finally, of course, there's the empirical argument against the Dolphins: The Saints have better players. And more of them. The Colts have better players. And more of them. That cannot be disputed by any right-thinking NFL fan or player.

Tell me ... what player on the Dolphins offense rises to the level of a Drew Brees or Peyton Manning? Let me answer -- none.

What receiver on the Dolphins could start for the Saints or Colts? Let me answer -- none.

What defender on the Dolphins makes as many game-changing plays as either Indy's Dwight Freeney or Who Dat's Darren Sharper? Let me answer -- none.

The Saints had seven Pro Bowl players in 2009. The Colts had seven Pro Bowl players in 2009. The Dolphins had three -- Yeremiah Bell, Dan Carpenter and Jake Long.

Long didn't play because of injury. Bell got on the team because Indy's Antoine Bethea was in the Super Bowl. And Carpenter played because Nate Kaeding injured himself the first day of practice.

So both Super Bowl teams have more than twice as many Pro Bowl players as Miami, even when we all know the reason the Dolphins had three was due to extenuating circumstances.

The Dolphins aren't close.

And it pains me to hear Dolfans saying they are close to the Saints and Colts because it suggests they're not being realistic. Or just don't know what they're talking about.

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NJ PHIN,

I, nor any owner, guru, draft pundit or swami doesn't know right now what will happen in the 2011 season. The spectre of a lockout looms large as of right now.

I am simply saying to be running any team as if there is a salary cap in a non capped year is sorta silly. The lack of salary cap is suppose to kill the small market teams but, since there are only a certain finite amout of FA's then that should self police too much blatant over spending.

I feel Dansby has worth and I think you feel that way too. The question becomes the ethereal "How much?" question. I simply feel a veteran presence, with his size/weight/speed ratio that can play both inside and outside would be a good get. My price tag in a an uncapped year would be in the $6-9 million a year range. If Dan Snyder or the Giants want to give him $10+ million a season I will say have at him. I would bid them up that way just like anyone does on Ebay before the price gets to steep and they drop out.


Cheers, Cheers, (I forgot to give ya a cheers on one of my last posts..lol)

Cobra kai . mark is so stupid he needs to post twice so he can read what he's saying. LOL !

NJPHINFAN

The problem with the Dansby situation is that with a uncapped year the balance of power shifts towards the rich...so right it's possible that teams with deep pockets might over pay for a good not great player like Dansby. Teams like Washington, Giants, Dallas, and the Raiders all have deep pockets and if their is a bidding war then his value becomes less as his price tag goes up...

The question is how deep are the pockets of Stephen Ross? Because if they are deep and the possiblity of a lock out in 2011?...or the possiblity of a rookie cap in 2011 and if a player like Dansby gets most of his money in the first year, like a huge signing bonus, it would be possible to sign a Karlos Dansby player, whether they do or not is another questions?...

But he is a tackling machine and his tackles have gone up each and every year since he came into the league. And has gone over a 100 tackles last two years. So you know what your getting and he may not merit a big pay day, like super star money, but he would free up the Dolphins hand somewhat to choose other need positions.

NJ , ARE YOU TALKING TO YOURSELF ?

Monkey what type monkey are you? Do you wear Dolphin shirt? Monkey in Dolphin shirt is very comical

Hey...What ever happened to NYScott and Souljabeats???

Rob in oc. To run your team like there's no salary cap will be foolish. I bet you the smart teams will run it like there's a salary cap . There's not going to be one this year but there will one in the future. Any players you sign this year will count to the teams salary cap in the future.. If he doesn't pan out , you'll have salary cap ramifications. Cheers

I'm not taking sides here. I just don't understand the argument?
Dansby would be an upgrade over what we have inside RIGHT NOW.
However, with an uncapped year and Parcells holding the purse strings, the Dansby (non)issue is a pipe dream.

Carlito my Golfithian friend. How are you?

In 2011 there will either be a lockout or a cap, so unless we're going to sign players to a one year deal we have to think about how signings will impact our future and consider the future cap unless there is some rule that says all signings this year will not affect future capped years.

LOL @ NJ. You beat me to it.

KObra Kai,


ARE YOU TALKING TO YOURSELF NJ ?

I'm alway . BINGO !!! now there's a smart man. Some of these guys don't get it. If you sign a player he will count towards your salary cap when both side finally agree. EVERYONE GOT THAT ?????

Joey Porter is still a Dolphin!! According to the NFL, the Dolphins are not allowed to vut Porter till March 5th because if they cut him before an uncapped year, they would exceed the 2009 salary cap...so Porter stays till March 5th

Odin, You Norse warrior, Where have you been????

LOL @ i'm always. Sorry i did beat you to it. Unlike jackA$$'s like mark , i run businesses and i know what the hell i'm talking about.

Welcome back Joey, u worthless piece of SH"T!!

Im afraid nobody knows what you're talking about NJ. Still not gonna admit that you're wrong..? Why aint i surprised?! I've had enough of embarrassing you NJ,time to start a conversation with someone who knows what they're talking about...


NJ PHIN,

I get the salary cap ramifications. When that time comes you have to let go of or "trim" the big salaries or excess fat in players/salaries from your team.

Not even entering the market as there may be one down the road is a bit extreme don't you think?

I think they can "potentially" bid for Dansby's services as Dolphins4life pointed out if nothing else he is a tackling machine. If he tackled like that and made all the "Other" plays too he would be angling for an Albert Haynsworth type deal for LB's. Thank God we can point to his starting to get older and lack of crazy picks and ff's to temper his value during negotiations.

If he/ his agent can talk a team like the Giants or Skins into playing him over his value more power to him.

Let's say for S&G's we had to go to 8.5 million to get him to sign with the Fins. Ross's money not mine and yours mind you. We would try to back end load all that we could and as soon as a cap is in place we jettison him. He has bought us 1 maybe 2 years of time. He will be older then and the cap may be raised to house his salary if they so chose to keep him.

If there is one good thing that comes from the Owners trying to take power back from the players union it's that I hope the money gets paid to the Vet's that have paid their dues. I just hate it when a TE like Gresham for example comes into the league making near what TE Tony Gonzales or TE Dallas Clark gets paid.

Ughh, are you serious bobbyd12? And here I thought we could finally lay this crap to rest. So does that mean we are going to have to pay that a**hole his roster bonus before cutting him? What a freakin' crock!!

I'm serious, www.profootballtalk.com has the story

Funny, everyone talking about salary cap ramifications, here's a perfect example

Mark , keep up the good work on making an a@@ of yourself, You're pretty good at it. Listen , you're not even in my league about football knowledge. I see alot more dolphin fans conversing with me about football than you. Your jealousy is embarrassing. You now have reached stalker status. Congrats on becoming a troll . LMFAO !!!

So I guess there's no way we can cut Gibril before that time either

So were we closer last year? Also teams that get huge pub always have more players in the pro bowl then anyone else because, for the most part, fans vote them in.

I AM ALWAYS

One big reason for the lockout in 2011 is to have a rookie cap. If you look at a player who was the No1 pick last year Mathew Stafford, in signed for six-year, $78M deal, including $41.7M guaranteed, that is twice as much as Tom Brady gets. And Stafford hasnt even played a down of football when he got that contract, right. So another thing that may end up happening is a if you sign a player now and give up front money in this uncapped salary year and back load some of that through incentives for the next few years then its a win win situation. If he meets those incentives like playin a certain percentage of snaps, making a certain amount of tackles, or making the probowl in later years then he would warrant receiving those bonuses, even if there is a cap year in 2011. Just my opinion...now lets see what happens.

Rob in oc . you 're going to come to the salary cap ramifications when it comes down the road ??? Are you kidding me ?? Do you run a business ?? LOL ! . You might have to deplete your team of it''s depth just to get under the cap and keep a dansby who by that time might be on the decline anyeay.Yoy would pay dansby in the 6-9 mil area ?? are you insane ?? Also crowder was averging 100 tackles a year but didn't come up with big plays. sound famalier ?? dansny , over 100 tackles > 1 int , 1 sack , 1 ff. cheers

Does anyone know what ever happened to NYScott and Souljabeats? Anyone?...

Rob, no offense because I think you really know your stuff, but I think that thinking is flawed. It goes back to Dansby not being the final piece we need. We have numerous holes to fill so considering this is a LB heavy draft, I would prefer to draft a LB that we can groom to be our starter for years to come and be ready for our real SB runs in a couple of years instead of overpaying and killing time with a "filler" guy for a year that we don't intend to keep.

So you're saying you know alot about football? So why dont you stop acting like a prat and start acting alittle bit more mature for your age cus for the last couple of hours,you've been acting like a spotty teenager who has'nt even started puberty.

Lots Of Buffoonery going on here tonite......

Bobbyd12 is correct. miami has to wait til march 5 to release him. no big deal. he a goner. I'am too. I'm out til later.

Yes, the answer is the Dolphins have to pay Porter his 1 million dollar bonus before they can cut him

Shits and Giggles huh Rob in the OC...
I havn't heard that in a while, classic S&G!

cuban,in the da house.....................

Good points Dolphins4life. Personally I think the most vitally important thing that needs to come out of this new deal is some sort of rookie salary cap. Like you said, it's absurd when you have rooks who haven't played a down making more than the stars of this league. Your point about front loading the contract for this year is the only way it MIGHT make sense to overpay for Dansby IMO because it might make it possible to keep him for longer than a year with a reasonable salary from 2011 on.

nj is a buffoon of the first order ,

The herald and sun-sentinel are both reporting that Joey Porter has been RELEASED. About time.

porter has been released ????????????????

The Fins are being ripped big time on radio for screwing up the salary cap thing w/ Porter............if these buffoons are rebuilding the team, we truly are doomed.

Pay him a MILLION to criticize & trash us!!!

ouch.

released w/ LOVE AND KISSES .

I said it once and I'll say it again: What an effing crock!! Porter is smiling all the way to way to the bank. He gets the roster bonus and gets cut (which is what he wants). What a freakin a**hole!!

Always, His Douchebaggery is legendary....

Cant say i'm too disapointed that NJ has fooked off. LOL. Lets hope he never comes back...unless he wants to be even more embarrassed than he already is he he

Why can the Giants cut Pierce now but Miami have to wait till March 5th??

Cant say i'm too disapointed that NJ has fooked off. LOL. Lets hope he never comes back...unless he wants to be even more embarrassed than he already is he he

Why can the Giants cut Pierce now but Miami have to wait till March 5th??

What-NJ left because his beloved Tuna & Ireland F**ked up BIG TIME!

Outsmarted by Joey Porter.

No comment, NJ?

CM, yeah I was never a fan of his. Anybody who is proud of the fact that he can beat the snot out of a guy with 6 or 7 of his closest sycophants (the levi jones situation) is and always will be a punk in my book.

PORTER TOOK WILSON CLOTHS AND BAG BEFORE HE LEFT .

Mark, apparently cutting Porter now puts them over the salary cap limit for 2009. I'm not too sure how that works but that's what's being said.

" Why can the giants cut pierce but the dolphins can't cut porter " posted by mark . WOOOOOOOOOW !! . Your lack of football knowledge never ceases to amaze me . You can't be serious. You area complete embarrassment. That statement says it all. LMFAO !! do yourself a favor and leave now before you embarress yourself any further.

Dolphins4life @ 6:43. Thanks for the read, glad u got it. =)

I AM ALWAYS @ 6:46 That's what D4L and I are saying. Creatively structure the contract to make it easiest to extend or get rid of and it's doable. That way you rent an experienced ILB/OLB on flexible terms going forward. He can mentor or lead by example the incoming rookie LB(s) Miami will no doubt be drafting.

Cheers,

Well,thats not good. At least we all know he is'nt gonna be on the team next year i suppose. And whats 1 million dollars eh? :(

U know the idiots are out in force...first off, because of the uncapped year there will be unique situations coming up over salary cap issues...maybe the Trifecta knew about Porters cap numbers and tried to push it through hoping they wouldn't have to pay that one million...maybe it was something else or yes maybe it was a mistake, pure and simple.. But idiots like Pinhead listen to some sports announcer and get all worked up because they can't think for themselves, there is more then one possibility dimwit

Mark , just to ask that question puts you on the pay no mind list. LOL !! What an IDIOT and embarressment.

I AM ALWAYS

Thanks and that's what I'm getting at and this year the uncapped year there are so many scenarios that can happen, like swapping players and their contracts, thus for example a player like G-Wil and his contract could be swaped with another player that may be a special teamer and afford us a lesser hit on the team's salary.

But, if they did sign a player like Dansby they would open their options somewhat because: It's a LB heavy draft as you mentioned, the Phin's can go for a cog in the middle at NT, or they can go the best OLB they feel would suite the style of the team and the regime. Draft ILB's later and have more freedom in their picks for the draft. ie. S, WR, TE, OL, DL and RB.

On another note if we can trade a player like on the roster or trade down to add more picks that would be good. I would love to have another pick in rounds 2 or 3.

Now they are saying his still on the roster, They being the NFL Network, Did not understand it but they said he is still a dolphin.

NJ,

What are they talking about? NFL Network said something about salary cap and having to release another player to release Porter...

'You area complete embarrassment.' Posted by NJ

Before you start criticising,learn how to make sense you muppet.

Dear o dear

Palm beach post is saying Porter is still a Dolphin for now also? Whats up?

I misunderstood your post Rob. I thought you mentioned backloading the contract which didn't make any sense to me because you are basically saying we're keeping you a year and then getting rid of you.

I can agree with possibly front loading the contract with the intent of making 2011 on very reasonable cap friendly years for the Dolphins. The only problem with that is he is getting the bulk of his money up front and has less incentive to "be all he can be" for the remaining years on his contract. With players nowadays it seems they need good motivation and if you pay him all up front does he

A: stay happy each year seeing as he is getting this much smaller salary?
B: is he motivated to do all the little things to stay at the top of his game?

So you are still taking a risk in this scenario but I can jump on board with this thinking having merits.

Po White, Porter can't be released till March 5th because of a salary cap situation. If they release him now, they would violate the 2009 salary cap...that's what happened

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