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Kiper: Dolphins will debate McClain and Bryant

ESPN draft guru Mel Kiper has the Dolphins picking Alabama inside linebacker Rolando McClain with their No. 12 overall pick of the first round in the upcoming draft.

But Kiper believes the Dolphins will have a healthy and perhaps heated discussion whether to go with McClain or Oklahoma State's Dez Bryant if the wide receiver is on the board when Miami selects.

"Dez Bryant, I think he'll be in the discussion, but you look at him and he could go higher," Kiper said today on a nationwide conference call. "I have him going at No. 10 to Denver still ... [The Dolphins] certainly need wide receiver help and you got to get it at some point and I think they will try get in this draft.

"But at that point, I think McClain would be the best option if Bryant's gone. And even if Bryant's there it's going to be a heck of a discussion, I would think, even if Bryant is still on the board."

Yeah, I could see that discussion going something like this:

Jeff Ireland: Bill, we've got a wide receiver and a linebacker on the board and ...

Bill Parcells: I'm Bill freakin' Parcells and I love linebackers.

Ireland: Linebacker it is.

Seriously, the Parcells penchant for drafting linebackers is well-known. And picking McClain, whom Kiper says has "a Ray Lewis-type enthusiasm and Bill Parcells will see that in McClain," seems logical.

"You look at Parcells when he was with the Giants and at other places, he loves linebackers that have that type of ability, especially guys with his kind of size too, with LT and Carl Banks and those type of guys," Kiper said. "This is an inside linebacker that looks like an outside linebacker."

And that is where Kiper and I disagree. I believe the Dolphins have a greater need at OLB than ILB. But Kiper doesn't see any OLB as worthy of the No. 12 selection.

I believe Michigan's Brandon Graham is more than worthy of that pick, talk of his short arms be damned. I love Graham! I have put in adoption papers for Graham because I want that guy in my family if he's not going to be on the Dolphins!

And here's the kicker, despite saying Graham rates around No. 20-32, Kiper also seems to love Graham.

"I've liked him all along, that's the one guy I've been consistent with all the way through," Kiper said. "He's got that great work ethic, he comes hard every play. He took advantage of some offensive tackles that were very suspect, obviously, and in the NFL that's not the case."

Kiper believes Graham will somehow wind up chasing Dolphins quarterbacks someday, either for a Miami division foe, or a team the Dolphins must eventually beat to become great.

"I actually have him going to New England in the latest projection I did from the standpoint of being a 3-4 outside backer," Kiper said. "As a 4-3 defensive end situational guy if Indianapolis looks at him in that rotation with [Dwight] Freeney and Robert Mathis it makes sense. I think his character and every game bringing it, the way he did production-wise is the reason why he's a pick to go now between 20 and 32."

I think that's precisely the reason the Dolphins should take him at No. 12. The kid brings it every play. Every single play. And he brings it with speed and explosion and good instinct and discipline.

Why isn't he rated higher?

Anyway, if the Dolphins decide to address their 3-4 OLB need later in the draft, Kiper has a handful of guys rated after the first round. They are:

Jerry Hughes of TCU, Ricky Sapp from Clemson, Antonio Coleman at Auburn, Cameron Sheffield at Troy, Eric Norwood at South Carolina. Kiper had Wisconsin's O'Brian Schofield rated as a first-rounder until he blew out his knee at the Senior Bowl in January.

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Graig I think DWilliams is the best NT cominng out this yr. I do agree that #12 is a little high but he will be a top 25 pick and there will be no one in the 2nd or 3rd that can gobble up RBs like DWilliams. If McClain is not there try to trade back to late teens early 20s get the best value there and get a 3rd or 4th out of the deal.

I've read lots of things that are supposedly said. I read Mando's post a while back which claimed that Porter and Taylor got into it in the middle of the season. Taylor later came out and denied that ever happened. Just because you read it doesn't make it true, just like typing in all caps doesn't make it true either.

But if it is true and he will only be happy as an every down player then thanks for the years JT and good luck wherever you end up.

Is Dan Williams in BJ Raji's class? I think he is. If so, 12 is not to high.

We need to get something for Porter, Even though I like his talent I don't and never did like his "Big Mouth' I just can't stand any player from any sports to have a "Mouth" when they realise they are privleged to play in a leauge like this.
Get rid of the bad apple, and realise the Finz need a secondary and wide receivers that's the only way they are going to win at anything. The Receivers thay have don't know what to do when a ball is thrown to them...(Your suppose to cath it) Besides Will allen we are weak. I like JT -We need extra bodies to do the Job....Keep JT.The Finz need to take McClain with their No. 12 overall pick.

LOL @ always

and having a name like i am always doesnt make you right either lol. i have to type in all caps at works and i sometimes forget to take it off and far too lazy to start over typing lol... JT no good for us thought this year. "progress stopper"

Hartline ran a 4.52 in the combine. That's fast, but it's not Ginn fast. He did get down field this year, but it didn't happen consistently enough to consider him a possible #1 next year. He did do it more than Ginn, which just goes to show how much of a bust Ginn really is.

Back to the Dan Williams discussion. The whole discussion here is whether or not Williams is a reach at 12. That depends on who gets picked between 1 and 11. My opinion is that they will pick the best player at a need position, in order of need. NT/LB/FS trumps WR. Dan Williams, based on most mock drafts, would be the best NT available at 12. Taking him is getting the best player at a position of need. Dan Williams is a projected first rounder. That's not a reach in my opinion. It's filling a position of need with a quality player. My idea of a reach is taking Pat White with the second pick in the draft. Major reach. Why? Because QB was not a position of need at the time. So basically our definitions waver on what a reach is. And here we'll have to agree to disagree.

quitting time again YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! talk to you all tomorrow...............

Hartline is quicker than Ginn. He gets open faster and if he catches the ball in stride, he has a burstto make big plays but most often than not he will get caught from behind.

If denver and miami pass on williams , PITT @ 12 will grab him.

Chuck in Detroit @3:22,

Kudos!!! Excellent post bro.

PS NJ PHIN,

Hang on dude...just catching up the posts...we can hash in a few mins. hang tight

Cheers,

LOL @ WestVaFins. I thought the caps was intentional. Either way, I understand your argument, but I feel under the right circumstances, it would be very good for the team to resign JT.

And my name doesn't say I AM ALWAYS RIGHT just I AM ALWAYS believe me, I know I am not always right and have no problem admitting when I am wrong :)

Getting open faster does not mean he's quicker. It means he runs better routes. Hartline is a much better receiver than Ginn. He sure as hell is not faster. But in this case, it doesn't matter. Because like I said before, Ginn is a sprinter, not a football player. Hartline is a football player. My point is he's not a #1 receiver. Put someone on the other side that is a #1 receiver, who commands double coverage, and watch Hartline shine.

Seer, Rooney has a lot of Steve Tasker in him, doesn't he?

If you want a good at work site, check out athde.net. But make sure nobody can see your computer. They stream sports live for free without having to register.

So, picking him at 12 is a reach but is just fine at 18? I say pick the stud. Who is going to be on our team for the next ten years dominating? Pick him, who cares where it is. Too many times teams get caught up in chasing the chart and trying to get value in every pick but if the draft is done over at the end of the year, the entire draft would be turned upside down and everyone's value would change. ex. Chris Johnson would go from getting chosen 24 overall to top 5.

Has anyone seen Bucky Brooks' latest mock on nfl.com? He has Berry going at #13, meaning he'd be available to the Phins at #12 (he has us taking Kindle with that pick). Could we really pass up on Berry at #12, even if McClain, Kindle, Graham and Morgan are still there? I think he's the third best football player in this draft, behind Suh and McCoy only. What do you think?

i meant @ 18

Data, Getting open faster and quicker were two statements not one. He is quicker and he gets open faster. Ginn takes forever to build up his speed. He is a long strider.

indiana, what I am saying is that I don't want him on the team if he doesn;t want to be a rotational player. he obviously is on the downside and I think a platoon of a day one draft pick and quentin moses will be better than JT for the Dolphins in the long run. I want to see Wake starting too.

I do not see any reason JT can't play every down. He can and did better than any LB we had on our team this past season. Without JT we will decline as a whole

WVA:
It's hard to say goodbye. The first NFL game I took my son to was the Vikings game in 2006 in Joe Robbie/Dolphins/Pro Player/Landshark/Sun Life stadium. JT intercepted a pass and ran it back 51 yards.

Everyone (of course) went bonkers. I'd love to have JT around playing at that level for 5-10 more years, but it ain't going to happen. Father Time gets us all.

Good point Datajack. The last thing we all want is Parcells picking someone really early that leaves us all scratching our heads in amazement ala Pat White. Linebackers,NT,Safety and a WR has to be picked early and often baby,early and often.

Quick and fast are two different things. marcus were you talking to me about williams and the to high thing ???

I've said this before, hartline is not a welker type slot receiver. he is an outside receiver with adequate speed, good size, and lots of toughness. for god sakes, by the time he finished filling out, he will be 6'2 200 lbs plus compared to welker's 5'8 165.

don't racially profile Brian Hartline!!!

You guys are crazy if you think Porter doesn't carry weight with the other players. Plus, Peezy has some trade value. This has become personal to the Tuna. I guess business is not high up on Tuna's priorties. That's why he almost skrewed up on this whole fiasco.

Attitude reflects leadership. Tuna is no leader. Tuna is a narcissist.

Datajack,

Did Hartline actually get downfield more often than Ginn, or did he just get open more? If it's the latter, then does it lend support to the, he's sneaky quick theory, or that Ginn isn't as good of a route runner? Or both?

I was speaking to everybody... Anyone who will respond.

Berry is considered a top 5 pick by just about everybody. Bucky Brooks is smoking something illegal. There's no way he drops to 12. If he does, then there's something teams know that we don't. I can think of 3 players that dropped in the draft: Aaron Rodgers, Matt Leinart and Brady Quinn. So far only one of those three have been successful (Rodgers) in the NFL. So if he drops, there's a good chance he's not as good as people think he is.

How can JT be a progress stopper when he is a better player no matter what his age is...you should play the better players on the team if you want to succeed correct??

I am always: I have NEVER written that Porter and Taylor "got into it." NEVER.

This blog has archives. You will not find anything from me saying that in the archives.

And you said, you saying it doesn't make it true.

IM OUT...

Say YES to JT, the more talented player out of all our current LB's!!

Indiana, which jason taylor were you watching? he was invisible in the last 6 games or so. he's done as a full time starter.

Datajack,
Nevermind, I just read your posy @ 4:41 and agree totally.

Rex Ryan's Fupa @3:53,

Agree totally. Spiller is the guy if they Off.

Cheers,

Ok , beacuse i said if miami wants williams , they better draft him sooner that later. pitt will grab him. hartline will turn out to be one of the better #2 wr's in football.

and being the best LB on this team last year is like being the Valedictorian of Summer School.

Mark , thanks for the top 2 pick. LOL !!

LOL, I must have gotten it confused with the other paper Mando. Apologies. Either way, the statement stands. Just because it's written doesn't make it true.

You sure about that Mark? yeah he was not getting pressure because he was dropping into coverage because none of the other LB's were good enough to cover

NJ, what is your take on Carlton Mitchell from USF? He looks like a good prospect from the little I have seen... Hard to find stuff on the USF guys... Looks like TO in terms of size and rac ability...

JT had 14 tackles, 1.5 sack, 1 forced fumble and one passed defensed in the last 6 games...

Also, don't forget the Tenn game when the play was called dead to early on the Chris Johnson fumble in OT when JT stripped him and would of ran it to the house have the refs not called the play dead way to early

Indiana:
Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. Dan Fouts is a more talented QB than Chad Henne. I do not want Dan Fouts taking snaps for the Fins in 2010. I don't even want Chad Pennington taking snaps for the Fins in 2010 - for many of the same reasons I don't truly want to see JT taking snaps. I want to see the youngsters playing. The folks that will be 26, 27, 30 when the Dolphins make it to the Super Bowl.

Listen, the Dolfan in me wants to see JT playing. The pragmatist in me wants to see at least one rookie, maybe a FA, and Cameron Wake or Moses or Anderson playing.

I love JT. I always will, but he does not need to be playing for the Dolphins in 2010. If he signs with the Colts or Cowboys or whoever, part of me will be pulling for that team next year, just to see him get a ring. He's not getting one here - we're too far away still.

perspective,

I meant he caught more passed downfield than Ginn. Ginn is just bad. He can't go over the middle, he can't catch consistently, he can't get off the ball, which renders his speed useless, and he runs bad routes (probably because he's afraid to get it). Hartline is a much better receiver in my opinion. He's a true football player. I can see why Parcells took him in the draft.

Marcus, I understand but lets not lose focus here. The question here is: Is Hartline a #1 receiver? Will he ever be a #1 receiver? I don't think so. If he bulks up as Mark from Toronto says, can he be a #2? Will he lose speed when he adds another 15-20lbs? His quickness and sneaky ability is what makes him a perfect slot receiver. My point is, he's not a #1 WR. We need to find one. And it'll probably happen next year.

Alright guys I'm outta here. I'll check in tomorrow. Mando please comment on my posts I'm curious what your take on my opinions are.

Oh. I didn't know what the discussion was. I just gave my opinion on Hartline. I think he is a #2. So is Camarillo and so is Bess. Camarillo was excellent at the end of the year. To be honest all three were great at the end of the year. We just need the rac specialist, a receiver that can take it to the house at any second...

Marcus , i love carlton mitchell's size . he's good value in the mid rounds and is worth a look. i saw him play and have a good game vs some team but i forgot, do you remember ?

Marcus is right , not only is hartline a #2 but will be one of the better ones in the NFL. Miami has a keeper in hartline.

Ok I'm out of the catch up on blog threads dungeon, now I can Fin's Chat.

To all those that asked for shorter posts from ... I pledge to do so! I really will try harder. I thought it was the same as reading a million tiny ones... there is a happy medium to be found for sure. Apologies.

All caps is annoying as hell...won't do that to anyone either.

Cheers,

Marcus , vs syracuse. he also had a great game vs west virginia.

He had big games against WV, Syracuse and Western Kentucky... Why do his stats fluctuate so much? Some games he has like 2 catches.

Datajack, totally agree with you about Hartline and Ginn. Dead on!

No worries, I am always. It's all good.

14 tackles and 1.5 sacks is good to you? And that early whistle vs Tenn was debateable at best. Again, Valedictorian of summer school.

The blueprint of a strong side linebacker in the NFL is Lamarr Woodley. 2009 stats - 62 tackles, 13.5 sacks. That is how you do it.

Side note: Woodley is listed at 265 on a 6'2 frame. Those saying Derrick Morgan is too big to be an OLB - he's 6'4 270.

Sand in Shoes,

There was a time I was a fan of Moses. What I need explained to me now is, why is it he doesn't get playing time? He doesn't do alot when he does get on the field, which isn't very often. Yet, I keep seeing people waving his banner. Why?

NJ PHIN,

You got me on the Brain Baluga in the Senior Bowl post... I had distraction while watching the game and simply screwed up the name of the OT. My bad, I apologize for having said it in error.

How about that was another "All-Star" level tackle he was going around to make plays...and not just one during the Senior Bowl. Does that work a little better?

Cheers,

(New and improved shorter post's Rob in OC!)

Isn't Ware 6'4 265? Morgan can drop 10 lbs and be just fine. Their builds are very similar.

And NJ, shut up with the Leafs Bruins trade already. My Maple Leafs are cursed through enternity. Nothing they do can disappoint me any longer. I think a Stanley Cup might actually cause a large number of strokes and cardiac arrests in the city because of it's improbability. So for the love of humanity, they're better off stinking.

I agree Marcus. Morgan is a fantastic athlete in the Ware/Merriman mold and if he shows up at 270, there's no reason he shouldn't be considered a WOLB prospect of the highest order.

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