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Kindle: A look beyond stats and 40 times

So now you know that Mike Mayock believes the Dolphins will draft outside linebacker candidate Sergio Kindle because he is rated No. 7 among the draft analyst's best players, and Miami needs a defensive playmaker, and all those great football reasons.

And that is dandy for an analyst looking purely at a player's skill set and matching them to a team's needs. But drafting for an NFL team is more than purely projecting whether a player can play a position or adjust to a scheme or has the physical prowess to perform.

NFL drafting is also about knowing the person, his habits, his character. And Mayock doesn't measure any of that which the Dolphins must absolutely measure before taking a gamble on anyone such as Kindle.

You see, Kindle, by all accounts a fine athlete, has had some off-field issues during his 22 years on the planet. And the Dolphins must and will collect data on those issues and include them in their evaluation of Kindle.

This isn't new. Every team does this. But for some reason, unless the issues are obvious, guys such as Mayock and Mel Kiper rarely account for them. They loved Rey Maualuga last year, but didn't say anything about the drinking problem that most teams were aware of. Not surprisingly, Maualuga, supremely talented, had a drunk driving incident in January and then reportedly checked himself into a alcohol rebabilitation center.

Now you understand why he didn't go higher in the 2009 draft?

Kindle's current state of mind and character is for NFL teams to judge now. But I can tell you he's had trouble before that Mayock didnt mention in speaking about him Tuesday on a national conference call.

In July of 2007, when Kindle was a sophomore, he was arrested for DWI. He was suspended for the first three games of the season and had to perform community service.

In June of 2009, just prior to Kindle's final season at Texas, he was involved in a car accident in which he drove his car into an apartment building at 2:50 in the morning on a Wednesday. Kindle then got the help of some friends, pulled the car out of the wrecked apartment, and put it on the street.

Then Kindle fled the scene. Having suffered a concussion, his story is he was very tired and simply went home to sleep. Kindle claims there was no alcohol involved in this accident and that he was simply texting a coach when it happened.

(Um, show of hands in the comments section for anyone who totally buys this story.)

Kindle's car, by the way, was registered to his father: Johnny Walker.

I kid you not.

Anyway, even if you are a believer, you must wonder how Kindle would handle playing in a town like mine because we got a couple of places to party down here. Fact is, even people close to Kindle wonder if he should be playing in a town like Miami.

Kindle's high school coach Bobby Estes told the New York Times in January that he and his wife "cringe" at the idea of Kindle ending up in a city like Miami and are hopeful, instead, he ends up "in a cold-weather city so he would stay inside more."

“Is he Colt McCoy and Tim Tebow citing Scripture? No,” Estes said. “But I do know that he knows right from wrong. I hope he’s making mature choices."

Kindle told the newspaper stories about his reputation as a drinker and a partier don't worry him. He told the newspaper he's "not the Sergio of '06-'07," and is now "walking a straight line."

Well, it's up to NFL teams to find out if that "straight line" is one drawn by a cop during a field sobriety test.


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Too funny on the plumbing comments. I am sure Sloan or American Standard are busy building some special crapper equipment for Cody and his bulbous butt.

I will try to refrain from any posts that conjure such shuddering thoughts... lol.


For it to happen in Canada is a sad thing as well, but Canada still would of won last night with Brodeur in the lineup...i think they over reacted a little bit!

Yeah Indiana, I'm in Sac, CA and there are Dolphins fans EVERYWHERE in this city. We always have a solid fan base when I hit the sports bars.

Any thoughts if the fins are looking at Julius Peppers at OLB. Peppers is looking to play for a new team as OLB in the 3-4.

The bears are going after peppers real hard. He's not coming to miami. I doubt he can play the olb position in the 3-4/

Hey, we don't care about non-Fla. schools.

Indianapolis has a bunch of fair weather Colt fans because of manning, but I still have not failed to run into some Dolphin fans at the bars on Sundays.

Also, Doug Crusan (an IU grad), who was an offensive tackle lives in Indianpolis. He is my sisters co-worker's neighbor. never met him, but he did sign a team photo I had of the 1972 team and gave me another picture of himself signed. Very nice of him!!

I AM ALWAYS, my father was a huge Dolphins fan in the seventies, so I became one as well... When Dan Marino came into the league, that was just awesome. To this day, he's my all time idol. The fact that this guy never won a SB is very sad. What an arm... He could hit an open WR better than anyone. I miss the Shula-Marino years. I've always been a real fan, but Jimmy Johnson, Dave Waanstedt, Nick Saban, Cam Cameron and all them guys really set the team back badly. I don't believe in those big names. Even Parcells-Ireland-Sparano, I hope they turn this franchise around, but I'm certainly not sold on them. As far as I'm concerned, the jury is still out. If they finish 2010 with another 7-9 or 8-8, how are they different than the other guys I mentioned? I miss the old Dolphins... And I miss Marino...

mark , canada should be worried about russia. Do you see the firepower on that team. I'm glad broduer's career could be ending.

NJ - It was never really known we wanted to go after Peppers anyways, so somewhat irrelevant! Also, you are right with the 3-4 vs 4-3 and his position...

NJ - The Bears wanting Peppers is old news. They been saying that on nfl and espn all day long

I'm always . I've explained how i became a dolphins fan plenty of time on here. did you see it ???


My Dad was born and raised in Elverta, CA near Sac. CA. I am from Sacto as well before moving to SoCal.

Great to hear there are many Fins football fans around the area. I always thought 49er and Oakland fans were overrunning that area.


LMFAO !!! . It's old news , they've been saying it all day today on espn and nfl.com ???? really ??? it's old news yet they've been saying it TODAY !!! how the F can it be old news when it just came out ???? LMFAO !!!

also , i was responding to thuderbolt who asked about peppers.

Thanks fro the reply #1. My father is the reason I like the Dolphins as well although it's exactly the opposite. He was a Niner's fan and I started watching football during the Niner's/Dolphins Super bowl and wanted to root against him because we really didn't get along. From that point on I was a football finatic and I lived and breathed Dolphin football.

NJ, I think I was unclear in my reference. You explained to me about a year ago why there are so many New Jersey natives who love the Dolphins and I was referencing that conversation (the hint, hint was because I was under a different screen name at that time) :)

LMFAO!!It was reported like 8 hours ago (LMFAO), so to me that is old news. LMFAO The way I read your post it sounded like you were reporting breaking news... LMFAO!!

LMFAO waiting on a NJ response...LMFAO

Rob, I have lived all over the country but I have always called Carmichael home. Right around the corner from Elverta :)

Indy, I don't think pulling brodeur was an over reaction at all. Brodeur was directly responsible for more than one goal and when you have the depth Canada has, one foopah is enough to get you planted on the bench. By the way, brodeur is not the only victime, looks like Chris Pronger's international career is over too. Now if they only could have gone back in time and selected Lecavalier and Stamkos instead of the perennial playoff chokers in joe Thornton (NJ knows this piece of crap well) and Patrick Marleau, they would have a much better chance.

Peppers is guy that I would NOT go after...period!

He has great size, has been a valuable player in the league at times. He has even put in some dominating performances albeit as DE for Carolina.

Conversely, he has a motor that only runs when he is highly motivated and has been known to take games let alone downs off. Like NJ PHIN, I am not sold at all on him making an 3-4 OLB switch successfully. I think at his age and success level he would be lazy in pursuit and would not have the wheels in space to cacth the speed based edge runs. His age is a mild concern and he will be looking for a Brinks truck much like Haynesworth got.

Just my opinions.


And about Peppers, he looks much to big to be an OLB. He verges on 300 lbs. He's much closer to being a DE in a 3-4 but despite his size, isn't very stout against the run. I just don't think he likes playing the run so it's attitude vs physical ability.

OH SHYY @ I' m always . i have an idea who you are but i have to think about it. This is going to drive me crazy.

He is some actual breaking news: Raiders put the franchise tag on Richard Seymour. This is not surprising, but figured I would share:


I wonder how many more farnchise tags are going to happen by the end of the day tomorrow, because that is the cut off...

Mark, I truly hope we we get a rematch of USA & Canada. I'm not a big hockey fan but I watched the whole game and was riveted. It just seemed like it was played full-bore for the ENTIRE game by the players and that energy was contagious. I would love to see a rematch.

Indiana , you're truly pathetic . Your little gotcha games are childish and are getting old . Grow up man !!!

Mark, agreed 100% on Peppers... And you're right about Thornton. WTF is up with that? Lecavalier and Stamkos should be on the team. Bad call by one of the all time greats Stevie Y...


Kewl beans! I have MANY fond memories of fishing for Black Bass in all the lakes and particularly the rice canals around that area. My Dad was a huge outdoorsman.

Also became a fairly big Sprint Car/Super Mod dirt race car fan cause of pops. We went to Capital Speedway a bunch of times when I was growing up. Also hit Placerville speedway and my fav Calistoga Raceway.

Good times.

Good luck rooting for the Fins in 2010 and beyond!


Mark , boy do i know about that stiff joe thorton. don't remind me.

NJ PHIN FAN - Gotcha games?? What are you talking about?? I am not playing any "gotcha" games. Do you not like people trying to give ya a little grief for fun or something?? No sense of humor??

I'm always , you're from cali right. we used to talk alot . I welcomed you on this blog. I was one of the first guys you talked to on here .I remember you telling me how you like coming on here and talking dolphins because there aren't many dolphin fans in cali where you live. CFfinfan or something like that. ??

McClain over Kindle as of right now but things can change

The problem with tagging Seymour is the only team in the NFL that would be willing to give up a first round pick for a 30 year old defensive lineman is, you guessed it, the Oakland Raiders... LOL!!

Well aperantly dtackle from steelers is going to get franchised if a long term deal can't be reached

#1 Dolphin Fan in Montreal - Good one!!

USA vs Switzerland 1-0 in 3rd period


I say NO to peppers he is lazy.I like that CB from TEXAS.

When young, I used to play football for the local team. I used to watch CFL football. Then one day, after we won the provincial championships, we played a game against a team from Kenner Louisiana. We thought we were good but we got destroyed in that game 35-0 I think. They were coached by that half foot place kicker, Dempsey. The one with the 62 yard field goal. Anyway, it made me interested in NFL football. This was in 1983. Anyone who became a fan that year or the year after had to be a Marino fan or they had no soul.

I still have the memoribilia I collected as a kid including the autographed football and rookie card.

Still sad about the SB record, but I made sure to Attend the HOF induction. What a magical time.

Pickett from packers is tagged

Brandon Graham owes a debt of gratitude to Dolphins’ Jake Long
Miami Dolphins star showed young defender what it took during their Michigan days

USA just scored again, probably with an empty net!!! WAY to go USA Hockey!!

Craig Miller it must be (MILLER TIME) when you said THOMAS,offerdahl,did not have the WOW factor.YOUR NUTS McClain SUCKS.Put that beer down you had to many.

A NT in the 2nd and a FS at some point

Indiana Dolfan,calm down we got this.Just kidding ID I,m seeing this one to.USA,USA,USA.

We need a bad ash, if you know what I mean. A reason for other teams to fear us. You think they fear Porter? Wake? Taylor? They used to fear Taylor and Porter, and maybe someday they will fear Wake, but Kindle might be the guy they fear NOW. Take another OLB, 2 NTs, a FS, and a pass catching TE and call it a draft. In the off season, sign Antonio Bryant and load up on o-line. God, they should just put me in charge.

#1 In mtl, if Joe Thornton was European, Don Cherry would be burning him at the stake on a weekly basis on HNIC. Because he's CDN, he gets a pass. Ovechkin is going to be heck on wheels tonight. By gawd! Total war (non military reference - don't want to upset anyone who serves) on ice.

And I am Always, you are right, hockey at that level is amazing. I'm totally passive about the sport during the year because it's not the same. These guys know they are playing in front of the planet and are bawls out 100% of the time. Awesome sport at it's best.

By the way, if we have any LA Kings fans on this blog, Drew Doughty's future is so dang bright!

No Sean,a NT in the first.The need is that great

Who Agrees,MARINO best QB EVER? I say YES.

NJ, you’re half right. I only had the one convo with you when you welcomed me on this blog when I was a new blogmentor, then I was a semi-regular at the SS until I realized that Mando and his blog are far superior. My dumb a** fell for the Taylor April fools!! LOL That should be enough for ya
Gotta get back to work. Peace out buddy :)

I think it's safe to say that most of us here were Marino's babies? I was one. To this day, the only athlete in North American pro sports to capture my heart and imagination. Too bad he played in that era of dominant running and defenses. if he played today, he would have his ring.

Then again, if I was about 8 years today, I would be a Peyton Manning fan. Closest thing to Marino that I've seen. The way that he just outsmarts a defense and throws into blitzes without fear reminds me of Danny. he controls the game in much the same way Marino did.

Brady would be Montana. BOOOOO!


LOL, it used to be the phrase was "I went to a fight and hockey game broke out".

I will modify that to "I went to a Fins NFL football blog and a hockey blog broke out". =)

Not hating just observation.

I never have followed hockey but did witness the power, drama, and emotion that was the Lake Placid 1980 Winter Games...Miracle on Ice is so fitting. Some of the most powerful storyline in sports history.

I can see why many are passionate about it but, a two headed snake never eats. My truest passion is Fins Football followed by MMA. I don't follow any of the other major sports as there is never enough hours in the day as it is.



LMFAO @ I' m always . I also told you that gibril wilson sucks and is goimg to be a bust here in miami and you didn't believe me . Now you do . LOL !!! HI MY GOOD FRIEND , CAVALIERKONG !!!!! it's always a pleasure.

If Marino would have been on some of the other more balanced teams he would have rings.

For quick release, being hard to sack, quick decisions and best pure passer I would have to say YES to Marino being best ever.

His lack of mobility, quick decline in late years and fair or not measurement of no rings puts him back into discussion of best all time.

Brett Farve still has the #1 QB record that astounds me to this day and that is his crazy games played streak. Every NFL guy on every defense he has played has wanted to kill him and yet he never got knocked off his continual starts record...insane! Addicted to pain killers or not, he was always game. Many QB's refuse to play regardless of drug help, doctor help or rehab with lesser injuries than Farve has had. Even a guy as good as Peyton won't break that imho.

For what it's worth I don't believe Farve comes back next year...85% sure. =)



You were dead on balls accurate about Gibril. Boy was I wrong on that one. :)

NJ,Who's leading in the converted "BUFFOON POST OF THE DAY"??

I agree about Peppers. Hell be a drain on whoever signs him for a few years.

If they don't get rid of Gebril it will be interesting to see if Nolan can get him into better situations. I have not written him off completely as he did have much better success earlier with other teams.

He had a HORRID year last year and apparently can't answer Mando about how he thinks he played in 09. That coupled with a chip on his shoulder and better schemes could help a ton.

He seems better suited to SS and Bell is holding that spot so I don't know what will give? Sign a Vet S like Ryan Clark? Clemons comes on strong and gets the start? Draft a Safety specifically to take his place? Draft other help and run a scheme that plays more to his strengths?

He seemed to play a little better late in the year but, it's a mystery as to how they will handle the FS spot.


Evening gentlemen. catching up but I don't see how u don't cut Wilson if he won't take a voluntary pay cut...unique opportunity to get bad players with big contacts off the books without taking a cap hit..

That is exactly what's been bugging me all along. It's a mystery to me what will they do at FS. That's why I keep asking where is Clemons, but I guess that we will know when the pads come on. Surely after the draft we will have a better idea.

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