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Dolphins interest in Mike Williams is interesting

OK, they're not interested in Brandon Marshall. I get that. They're not interested in Terrell Owens, even as a short-term solution to a big problem. I sort of get that, also.

The Dolphins might not be interested in Dez Bryant if it takes the No. 12 overall selection in the draft to get him. Something about risk versus reward. I get that, too.

Yet there is an interest in Mike Williams.

Hmmmm. I'm trying to get that.

The team brought Williams for a visit at the Davie, FL. training facility on Thursday and spent several hours with him.

Williams is a 6-2, 220-pound prototype from Syracuse University. Well, he was from Syracuse University until he reportedly left the team in November. Those reports, by the way, were the result of Syracuse coach Doug Marrone saying Williams quit the team. So the sourcing cannot be questioned. Williams quit the team according to his coach.

It was a strange situation because Marrone said Williams went to him without being summoned and simply quit.

Asked at the time why Williams quit the team, Marrone said, "You'd have to ask him. I have no idea. I'm not going to discuss the conversation from my end. Obviously, I told you that he came up to me and voluntarily took himself off the team. That's it."

Well, that's not really it.

Reports later surfaced that Williams was on the verge of being suspended by Marrone when he decided to quit. It wasn't the first time Williams had issues at Syracuse. He was suspended from school in 2008 for cheating on a test.

When he quit with four games left in the season, Williams had 49 catches for 746 yards and six touchdowns. He ranked first in the Big East and 14th nationally with seven receptions per game. He was first in his conference and 20th nationally in receiving yards.

The saga of Williams leaving the team in 2009 is a big issue for teams. When a player leaves a team it raises questions as to how much he loves the game, it raises questions whether he's a quitter, it raises questions whether he's likely to repeat the offense in the pros if things get tough, because as Nick Saban used to say, past actions is the best predictor of future actions.

"I've been talking to all the NFL teams about that," Williams said during the Indianapolis Combine in February. " I want to leave it at that. But what I want everybody to know is I didn't quit. I'll leave that story at that."

So Williams didn't want to say what actually happened, or what he believes happened, but he did want to remove the doubt about him quitting.

"I told the teams that, all the teams know the whole story," Williams said. "I want to leave it at that, I don't want to make it a big media story. I just want everybody to know I didn't quit."

Williams apparently is admitting to teams that he cheated on the test. He told them he simply doesn't like school. And he's telling teams that he can be reliable.

"I want to let them know that I'm a nice person, I'm a good person," Williams said. "School was just my problem. I had bad judgment when I was young. School has been my problem, I want to let them know I can play football and be there for that team."

Obviously the Dolphins have bought in -- at least to the point of bringing Williams to town.


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Mike had more YAC on those 7-8 plays than the whole Dolphins team had combined last year.Sign him up.

Jay in Raleigh,
I'm not sure I understand the situation you described as leading to Williams leaving the team... He's riding in a car that gets rear-ended and he feels compelled to then leave the team? In what way did Williams cause any trouble or have anything to worry about just because he was rear-ended? This doesn't make sense or there's more to the story. Speculation could be... The policy were called to the scene and found that Williams was in control of drugs or he was under 21 and was drunk or he listened to his friends tell the cop they were rear-ended, he then told the cop the same thing, but the cop arrested him for cheating because he told the cop the same answer...

That Carlton Mitchell WR is good.

For those who are beating on the "Bring JT back , a Vet that can help the rookies" drum. Available Vet WR
1) Torry Holt
2) L. Coles
3) Harrison
4) T.O

Who many do you want to sign up?

I'd Trade Ted Ginn, Jr. for Mike Williams. No doubt about it. Williams is a football player. Ginn is a panty waste!

I hope Tate is around at 43, but probably not going to work out that way. He is the most pro ready reciever out of all the guys projected in the first two rounds. He has played in a pro style offense, he knows how to run routes, and played with a Qb. that is going to be a first round pick. Great hands, great speed. He isn't the big reciever that we need, but I hope we can fill that void with a Te.

Mondo, I didn't read all the posts, so I may have missed it, but what I noted in your article is that you 'get' not going after Marshall, but only 'sort of get', not going after T.O. Are you saying that not wanting T.O. on your team is a head-scratcher??? The guy is locker-room poison. Even with his still impressive skills (although diminishing), he would do much, much more harm to this team than help.

The guy cheated on a test?
Like we all haven't done that. Oh well, let's crucify him anyway.

We don't need another WR like this?
I must have missed the other WR we got that's 6-1 220 and goes 4.49.

Other than a couple of hot teachers and the booty calls, I didn't like school either.
Williams visit to Miami is just an example of the Trifecta doing it's homework on our WR need. I'm not knocking it, I love it.

Morgan has the same length as JPP---which puts both at a disadvatage in a bench press----Alligator arms Graham has the advantage thier--


All your stats and reasons to stick up for BG are valid but dont 4get one aspect---Which is the basketball anagolgy---im a scout for Division II level basketball program-----

Its not only about comparing thier production at the college level---for a couple of reasons----

Some players are just more developed at a earlier age----like BG when compared to a JPP--- He has some hand techniques that these other guys havnt devolped yet----

second its about projections---just because a well developed/with a maxed out build--like BG dominated the Big Ten----doesnt mean he has a better chance of dominating the NFL than a JPP---

Best analogy----tyler hansborough---dominated college---was the best player on the College floor vs. NBA talent----but that doesnt mean he is going to do it at the next level---and thats why he wasnt a top 15 pick---compared to guys that he outperformed in college----

The biggest intangible---is which 4-3 end-----BG, JPP, Morgan, or kindle----will transition better to standing up---B/C THEY ARE ALL PROJECTS IN THAT ASPECT-----we didnt even get to see BG do positional drills standing up once this offseason

Williams looks like TO but slower.. That being said, WE NEED SPEED! Our fastest player is Ted ginn, then Ricki probably. We have a huge deficit at speed/playmaking compared to better teams. We need that guy.

Waterboy, I'm not quite sure what your complaint is but I am simply reporting some of the players the Dolphins have brought to camp for interviews and visits. That's my job, bro.

I didn't say they're drafting the guy. I didn't say he's signing tomorrow. The Dolphins are showing interest and, in turn, that should interest a true Dolphins fan.

And because the Dolphins are showing interest, I'm telling you what the guy's history is.

So what's the problem again?

Nice looking receiver. Reminds me of a tall Chambers. Except that I didn't see a broken tackle there. Not much to go on given that there are only five or six catches shown.

Waterboy - out of those vets? Coles or T.O. have the most left in the tank. Coles is not a diva, but T.O. has bigger plays in him - not to mention his size. I still think there will be a couple of surprises, or at least nice additions, in FA.

Good post Allen


I'm not going to argue with the point your trying to make. However, you missed it on Graham.

You said: second its about projections---just because a well developed/with a maxed out build--like BG dominated the Big Ten----doesnt mean he has a better chance of dominating the NFL than a JPP---

Graham is anything but maxed out when it comes to build. I'm a Graham fan but I've also seen him with his shirt off. He looks like a dough boy. Lots of room for improvement in strength and conditioning.

Bob G: Here's my feeling on T.O.

I would not want him on my team for more than one year. Period.

But if I'm desperate to get WR help. If he's going to play for cheap. If he's going to sign for 1 year and only 1 year, I might be interested.

His history is he's locker room poison after the first year. By that time he'd be gone.

He isn't the answer for the future. He isn't the guy you build around.

But he can help you win games -- as he helped Buffalo beat Miami last year -- over a one-year span.

Hey Darryl, DRAFTCOUNTDOWN has Tate going at pick 50 to the Chiefs and the Phins taking Cody at pick 43. I would take Tate before Cody any day.

And, trade TEDDY and HIS FAMILY for a 2nd (I think CAM would be stupid enough) or 3rd or 4th or whatever!! BTW, I was a Teddy fan until this year -- boy, I hate to be wrong.


I remember Parcells while with the Jets using a 3rd round pick on a receiver with questionable character out of FSU and it turned out very well - L. Coles. He turned out to be a 1st round talent acquired with a later pick. Maybe this guy is another one.

To the guy that said trade Ginn for a 2nd, (as NJ PHIN FAN would say), I'm LMFAO!!!!

We couldn't get a 2nd packaging Ginn with SMILEY.

His ONLY value is as a returner and his return game ain't all that valuable.

Count me IN for this guy, late late rounds or free agent ONLY.

So what's the problem again?

Posted by: Armando Salguero | March 26, 2010 at 02:30 PM

No problem Armando, good post.

PS: Don't worry, when you need a good hazing, I'll be there!

I think we need to get out of the numbers game...rd 1 rd 3 whatever...Brandon Marshall was a 4 th round pick...it comes down to a little luck and someone breaking out...there will be some competition in camp this year at WR position and we will draft at least one WR yhis draft

good points Allen.

Armando, wanna get a Mock Draft out of u or at least ur first four rounds of Dolphins picks!!!

Some people here are thinking Ronnie Brown will get a suspension. It ain't happening.

He'a young rich black man, not to mention a model citizen with no prior criminal record.

He's facing some minimal probation, and some type of A.A. awareness classes. That's it.

I'm thinking Ronnie will learn from this little mistake, and put it behind him real quick.

End of story for me.

Dez Bryant is getting some real bad advice if someone is advising him...no workouts, hanging with the Pacman, his value is dropping like a rock

Check out Tate against USC last year. He catches a long TD, takes a lick from Taylor Mays, who is a little out of position or just couldn't catch him. Tate catches another TD. and another shot from Mays, who goes down while Tate makes it into the end zone. I know there are a lot of people who think Tate is too small, But he is explosive, and in the biggest ND. played in last year, he was the best player on the field. Including Mays, and Clausen.

Ok I was born a Dolphin Fan. Why not go after Marshall. Give up a Number 1 and even maybe the 2nd along with it. I know it sounds foolish but this is the only hole in the team is a #1 WR.(in my eyes) So why not get a proven BEAST. Our Defense is as young as it has been in years with more talent that i have seen in a while. And we all know we are great at finding them 3rd 4th an 5th round gems. Just my own in-put.

No Mando, look at the title of your blog and your opening lines. Thats my problem, you are trying to imply, hmmm... they dont like such and such problem childs (TO and Marshall) but they can bring in this problemo (Williams). Thats my beef. If you were just reporting the visit, I would be fine.


Good call.

Armando if a mock is a bit much, at least give us your top 50 board.

This blog will light the F up.

Reminds me of another Patrick Turner...Seriously.

Wonder what both of their Wunderlic scores were?

Golden Tate would be a stud in the Wildcat, he plays bigger than he is.

Taylor Mays can cover but will get drafted by Tuna or Al Davis.

Most important thing I see about Williams is how aggressively he goes for the ball in the endzone. "He plays big", a phrase coach Sparano loves to allude to.

Taylor Mays CANT cover

Turner could even turn out to be a very good wr when he learn how to beat press coverage and become more aggressive going after the ball when it's in the air. With his size alone he would pick up major yac against the much smaller db's.

Taylor Mays may be more suited to play ss rather than fs.

Reminds me of another Patrick Turner...Seriously.

Wonder what both of their Wunderlic scores were?

Posted by: flipper013 | March 26, 2010 at 02:56 PM

Turner seemed like a very intereting project this time last year. He couldn't get on the field, so maybe we missed maybe we didn't.
The point is, you can't let the Turner pick jade you.
Should we just give up?

My biggest sleeper at wr in the entire deaft is Gators Riley Cooper. He came on very strong his last 5 games of his collegiate career.

He finally found his "on switch" and was absolutely phenominal. His stock has soared on my draftboard and I see mock drafts have him 5th rd or later. Waht a value he would be.


Waterboy, i almost replied to the "can cover". figured it had to be a typo.

Waterboy, The headline is that the interest in Williams is interesting. What part of that offends you?

Look, we're going to have to agree to disagree here.

there's also about a 9 million difference in pay per year. would you rather take a risk on a player that makes 10 million a year or a player who makes 1 million a year.

Armando how do you feel about Riley Cooper?

MartinK, there have never been any reports of drugs and/or alcohol being involved in the incident. Marrone apparently thought the kids shouldn't have been coming home at 5:30 a.m. Williams was a passenger, not driving, when they were rear-ended. The other three players in the car were all suspended for breaking 'team rules' the same day Williams 'quit'.

I'm not big on Riley Cooper. lack of willingness to go across the middle or catch in traffic on any part of the field just leaves me looking to the next WR.

Keep it up!!!!!!!!!!!!! MANDO



Esteban you'll be eating those words someday whether Riley Cooper plays for us or not. Remember I told you so ok?

Hey, I'm just glad they're checking out a WR. But I was confused on how they decide on whether to take a chance on player with some issues. I mean, how much trouble is too much?

Then it came to me, they assign points for infractions. Let's say an ax murder will get you a whopping -100 points. A drive by -50 but cheating on a test is a measly -5.

And that's how they do it. Either that or they use that magic 8 ball they don't want anyone to know about.


.....umm all you guys who think this would be a bad move.... watch the video and watch how he catches the ball and how he fights for it against some pretty good coverage towerd the end!

That coupled with the fact the Phins would get him cheap.....sounds like a no brainer to me!

So, what are you all up in arms about?

Oh, he might quite the team.... well the only tests he will be taking in the NFL are drug tests and he dosn't seem to have a problem with that so.........

Whats your problem now?

Riley Cooper reminds of a Ed McCafferty type wr and that's exactly who I believe his playing style will resemble in the nfl.


Riley Cooper was an average college receiver who had some off-field issues a couple of years back and supposedly did not impress during SR Bowl practices.

He looks the part in that he's big. But I don't see him as being better than anyone on the team right now to be honest, Dyingbreed.

And isn't the goal to UPGRADE?

Waterboy, The headline is that the interest in Williams is interesting. What part of that offends you?

Look, we're going to have to agree to disagree here.

Posted by: Armando Salguero | March 26, 2010 at 03:12 PM

I don't know why, but I can't stop laughing at this.

I do love fans that keep saying that Marshall was arrested many times for abuse...really?
I do know he was acquitted the ONLY time he was prosecuted. I do know he has no really record...as far as I know he has never been sentenced or spendt time for any offense.
This I do know...the Dolphins rather acquire a cheap receiver/player that has had problems before or has quit a team he played for...than to spend for a proven player.

Aloco, your dumb

Mando no problem, we can disagree and continue on. No grudge here


If you don't post your top 50 you are a so and so, and a such and such. Ok ha ha(fill in your own blanks)!!!!

Seriously then, I would have to suggest that the poster's here make our own Miami Dolphins In Depth Top 50 Draft Board.

We can start at No. 1 and keep a running vote to formulate our top 50

A consensus says of sorts. We would have to nominate one regular here to keep count and update the board.

Anybody game?

Unlike baseball where u can go into a minor league system the NFL uses college as a minor league system...kid didn't like school, lots of people don't like school but if he wanted to play ball his options were limited...i'm glad Fins are checking him out


Armando, can you acknowledge Odinseye, hes riding the mock draft thing until sunset.

Give him some love.

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