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Brandon Marshall: Great talent, lots of baggage

So the Denver Broncos put a first-round tender (only a first-round tender, it is being portrayed in league circles) on Brandon Marshall and immediately Dolphins fans think Miami should rush to trade for the enigmatic wide receiver.

I don't believe this is today an idea being seriously considered within the Dolphins halls connecting the offices of Bill Parcells, Jeff Ireland and Tony Sparano. Frankly, it would be out-of-character for those men to be currently planning a move for Marshall because they are excellent football men.

And excellent football men don't trade the No. 12 overall selection in the first round -- a premium draft pick by any measure -- then pay a king's ransom in a new contract, all for the right to inherit someone else's headache.

For the record, Marshall is a supremely talented individual. He is 6-4 and 230 pounds and has caught over 100 passes for over 1,000 yards in each of the last three seasons.

But guess what? Marshall is not the answer to every Miami problem that is, has been, and will be. Fact is Marshall has helped the Broncos reach the playoffs zero times in the three years he was posting those fat numbers.

And that's not even the first problem with chasing Marshall.

Marshall has shown a troubling side for over a year now. He was witness in the murder trial of former Broncos player Darrent Williams because he was at the club the night the shooting happened and played a small role in the altercation that may have led to the crime.

Show of hands, how many of you remember what Bill Parcells said he tells his players all the time?

"Stay out of the clubs."

Anyway, in his trial testimony Marshall said that not one day passes when he doesn't think of Williams. "Every day," Marshall said. It was an emotional and stirring moment when he said that as his eyes were watering. But that death happened over three years ago. Perhaps it sounds callous, but NFL teams worry about the emotional state of players they are about to acquire.

Any team considering Marshall must gauge this testimony. And they must gauge his history of domestic violence which is best outlined by the video below.

Then there are the other troubling issues. Why do you think the Broncos want to get rid of Marshall? Is it because he's a really good player? Is it because he caught an NFL record 21 passes in one game last year and is a mismatch against practically any defensive back he faces?

KC Chiefs cornerback Brandon Flowers once said Marshall, "is a defensive lineman playing wide receiver. He wants to inflict phyisal punishment on you. He wants you to try to tackle him so he can shove you off of him and get more yards."

You think that's the reason the Broncos want him gone?

Or do you think it's because they have weighed Marshall's positives against his negatives and have found the negatives weigh more?

Buyer beware, folks.

Marshall had several run-ins with new coach Josh McDaniels last year. That doesn't worry me so much because so did new Miami defensive coordinator Mike Nolan. But Marshall's behavior was unprofessional following those run-ins. He supposedly dropped passes in practices on purpose because he was upset.

That got him benched for the final two games of the preseason. Funny thing is he'd been benched the first two preseason games for conduct detrimental to the team.

Then he was benched for the final regular season game because he reportedly blew off a physical therapy session.

Does any of this sound like a Bill Parcells player? Does this sound like a player Parcells will give the No. 12 pick in the draft for?

On top of all this, Marshall will require a contract that keeps him happy. It is not beyond imagination that he believes he should be paid what the most productive WRs in the NFL make because, frankly, he's among the top producers. The five highest-paid WRs in 2009 averaged $9.5 million in salary and that price is likely to climb for Marshall to be happy.

That doesn't matter now. There will be no salary cap in 2010. But no one knows what is over the fiscal horizon in the NFL -- or in this country, for that matter. So what seems like an acceptable contract now could become an anchor around the neck of a future Dolphins offseason.

I'm not saying Brandon Marshall won't be traded. He likely will.The Broncos want badly to get rid of him and mny teams are actively looking for WRs and want to make a splash.

I am saying any team that lands Marshall will have paid a steep, steep price to acquire a player with great talent and a great amount of baggage.

Does that sound like the Dolphins to you? I don't think so at this time.

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Jamal Williams is a good NT when he is not hurt and that is the problem. If we can get him for cheap and he is healthy sounds good to me. I would still draft a younger model for the future.

March 04, 2010, 04:13 PM EST .1 Comment .Maybe Karlos Dansby has a hot spot in South Florida that he likes.

Maybe it’s a vacation to the Miami area that has been planned for some time.

Maybe it’s both.

The word the National Football Post picked up this afternoon is that the linebacker, who will become a free agent in a little less than eight hours, is boarding a plane for the Miami area in, well, a little less than eight hours.

That would be a convenient trip with the Miami Dolphins long rumored to be one of the leading candidates for Dansby’s services. He’s been angling for a way to reach the open market for some time and will finally make it this year as the Cardinals elected not to place the franchise tag on him.

Dansby fits what the Dolphins need and Miami general manager Jeff Ireland pretty much summed that up last week at the scouting combine in Indianapolis without using Dansby’s name.

“We have to get more production from the inside linebacker position,” Ireland said. “They knew that, we know that, you guys know that.”

We’re guessing Dansby and quite possibly the pilot know that too. Dansby is angling for a deal that will provide him with $30 million guaranteed. It will be interesting to see if he can hit that number. It’s a very watered down market this year and the premium players should get premium bucks.

Washington has also been mentioned as a possible destination for Dansby. So have the New York Giants and Philadelphia.

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Woops, posted mine before I read yours Craig. We said the same thing.

I also agree on the Dansby post Craig. I do think he is an upgrade for us at ILB but if we do sign him to an exhorbitant price, people are going to be wondering for the next few years "Why if he is making so much money isn't he Ray Lewis?" With the Giants supposedly dropping out this Dansby talk does get interesting though.

Didn't Jamal Williams play for Miami like 15 years ago?

Ok, time to start some more crap. Antrelle Rolle has been just released. Go for Rolle lovers! LOL

If we could get him, I would go for it. There are no proven 1st rounders. He is a proven player. They get him into rehab, get him around the right group of people and you will have a great receiver and teammate.

Angel Cabrera is Even after 14 holes at the Honda Classic

I don't believe the Giants have dropped out cavalierkong. I think there's a lot of games being played. I think they realize Miami wants this guy and wants to lull Miami into thinking they (the Giants) are not interested. Dansby makes too much sense for the Giants not to be interested.

There's a lot of talk the Cowboys are going to go hard after Rolle. They can have him as far as I am concerned!!

No, I'm thinking about Norman Hand. He went to the Chargers and played defensive tackle.

Jamal Williams was a dominant nose for many years, made many Pro Bowls. He has played for SD all his career.. Was 2nd round pick in 98... Looks to show you what type of talent you can get in the 2nd round.

So Pat White will be a Pro Bowler?

NJ - Is there something wrong with being simple. Why make things difficult if they don't have to be!!

The Giants spent alot of money last year on players who did nothing... I'm not sure they are that interested... They could make a play for Kirk Morrison who would be a better fit in my opinion... Also, there are quite a few good linebackers in this draft that would fit their 4-3... Angerer and Sean Lee come to mind... Tough guys who would look good at MLB.

Damn! The blog is moving at light speed today!

Lotta chattin goin on fer sure.

As to the Marshall debate my two cents is:

If you are saying that you can't see why anyone wouldn't give a 1st round pick up for the guy they have either haven't watched the Outside the Lines video attached at the top or ar letting the talent blind you.

NOT ONE person on this blog that I have seen claiming Marshall is not a top tier talent... including Armando. What the "NO" people are trying to say is there are reasons Denver is trying to move him.

#1 Marshall has been in and out and back in McDaniels doghouse. He was sat the last regular season game and 2 preseason games... that's more than upstart Joey Porter got. McDaniels is a brand new head coach that knows he has to win and he is willing to part with Marshall.

#2 If he was a product he would be the "Slap Chop" food processor the Sham-Wow guys hawks on tv. Marshall is only a couple slap chops away from major league suspensions. You know Goodell is taking hardline stances on repeat offenders (Like sit down a year and think about it Pac-Man!).

#3 The Broncos realize that the parents of that girl Marshall was smacking around aren't going away and are angling towards sueing the NFL. She made the mistake of getting back with him over and over but the cops won't care as assualts keep piling up with him.

#4 The BRAND NEW girl he was ingaged with was involved in physical fight with Marshall... His Anger management courses aren't sinking in. He is an incident or two away from major suspensions.

He's not gonna be in Parcell's wheelhouse and for all his talents I would absolutely take my chances we can go in other directions with his baggage. D. Thomas 6'3" 220+lbs and fast in the 2nd.

NE or Cincy or whoever can have him.

Sorry for the length...had to bust one off.

Cheers,

Yes. I think Pat White has the talent to be a Professional Bowler.

Craig, I don't put too much stock in any of the rumors coming out a day or two before free agency so this Giants talk is probably crap, but if it is true they were the ones I saw really driving his price up. I skimmed a couple of posts talking about the Bills and while I could see them making the mistake of paying way too much for one big name player they are usually a pretty frugal franchise.

Rolle has "officially" been released, not that we already knew it was going to happen at some point...

I didn't realize that Williams will soon be 34 and is 6' 3", 348lbs. He's bigger and older than I thought. He might not be a bad addition for a year or two if he's healthy. Thoughts?....

You want a Brandon Marshall talent? Take Demariyus Thomas. I feel like I went 5 years in to the future and have seen what this kid dominate the league, and have come back to tell Miami... Please take Demariyus Thomas!

Craig, he has been broke up for the last few years... Maybe in a rotation with Fergie and Soliai... He could be a solid addition.

BAY BAY at WR?

When will the Real Fergie be signed for another year?

I like your last two posts Marcus. You are probably right. He was a real good NT at one point in his career.....

Waterboy = Marc

Aloco, you are way off...

He is like the only guy I want... I guess I got a "man crush" on Bay Bay... If we got him, it wouldn't even matter to me what the other picks were.

I see that the Chargers have changed their minds on Sproles. He is not 'free' any more. They placed a first and a thrd tender on him. Looks like he'll be back in San Diego this year. Probably a smart move for them.

They didnt want someone in the AFC to pick him up.... sounds like a panic move

Can we ship Ted Ginn to Oakland? I'd take Morrison or Zach Miller... Or Michael Bush and a 5th...

Ted ginn is awesome

against the JETS

I was amazed they were going to let him go in the first place. Although his numbers weren't great last year, he can be extremely explosive. The last few years when we played the Chargers, he was the running back that scared me, not LT.

Dansby is on the Fins radar. If you can believe the news that he is in town it may be to finalize a deal OR give the Fins 1st shot at the deal.

I would take first crack at signing him as they will prbably have a somewhat max ciling offer before he leaves. If someone else wants to beat it they can have Dansby. If Dansby likes it, he may take the no state tax $$ break and similar weather in Miami to AZ and just ink the deal.

If he becomes a Fin I am not expecting all world production... I would settle for a great scheme guy that plays both ILB and OLB and can help Nolan unleash some confusing blitzes. That fact will help others we have get more sacks if Dansby does not get em. He will be a great locker room guy that knows how to freakin tackle! (100+ a lock!) He stays healthy and I have not heard any drama swirls around this guy. If he doesn't have tons of picks I knew that coming in.

Gives us draft flexibilty and helps fill glaring need in process... pull the trigger Mr. P!!

He's a Leon Washington type. Great in the return game, great on the swing passes, great as a change of pace back. They'll likely draft somebody in the first or second round but he'll be nice complimentary player on that team.

wow why are all you fans worried about these guys backgrounds thats for the dolphins brass to worry about i guess you rather watch the playoffs every year with nothing to root for cause all we want is no talent goody to shoes than change the name to the miami saints get me marsall get me dansby lets get off our butts & stop worring about every litte thing its not these top players background its about the money with the cheap dolphins

The Dolphins have been lacking a true number 1 since Duper and Clayton. It is long overdue for the Phins to go out and get a guy of Marshalls caliber. The Phins would be best suited if the Chargers wanted to sign Brown and let him go for their fist (#28) overall. With the 12th pick we can draft CJ Spiller and with the 28th we could send to Denver for Marshall. I don't care what anyone says about the defense we still would have eight picks to patch up the holes. Henne showed last year that he is a franchise QB and we need to give him a WR that will make him that much better. It's time to get play makers on offense and if it sending a 12th or a 28th overall to Denver to get one it shouldn't even be discussed just do it.

I want a Dansby to be a Zach Thomas type leader for all LB's on our team if we sign him...

Anyways, I am out!!

Good luck to the Fins to make the right moves in free agency!!

Let's see if Dansby can be a Dolphin quicker than Justin Smiley was. I think it was only 8 min or so into free agency that Smiley was signed.

Don't know if anyone has said anything yet, but the Rams pro bowl FS can be signed without draft pick compensation. That sure sounds like an "acorn" to me. I hope Ireland and Parcells think the same.

I'd be shocked if Miami doesn't end up with Boldin or Marshall. I would hope they could trade down in the first round and pick up an extra 2nd and 3rd round pick to make up for giving up the first. Who knows, maybe Miami can trade their first and get Denver's 2nd round pick along with Marshall.

Marshall is a risk, that is a given. But it's worth the risk for a 25 year old multiple time pro bowl receiver. We worry about giving up the #12 pick? What about the #9 pick a few years ago? How did that turn out? I'd take a few headaches for proven results rather than headaches from a guy who is scared to take a hit. It may be the Jerry Jones philosophy, but Marshall is no where near what TO was in his prime prima donna hayday.

whoever think miami shouldnt trade for marshall is crazy. the guy is a top 5 wideout and a game changer. miami hasnt had a game changer in a long time and it is about time they get 1. 99 percent of NFL player have baggage for that matter a lot of HALL OF FAME players have baggage. but in this case i think miami has to pull the trigger and get marshall because whoever we take at 12 will be nowhere as good as marshall.

What people forget is Miami is plugging two holes for the price of one big hole. Dansby can play strong side OLB on 1st and 2nd and move inside on 3rd. This would allow Miami to develop Wake and he can be the same impact rusher on 3rd down in Nolan's scheme. At the very least it gives Miami flexibility heading into the draft.

Cavkong,

Chris Johnson was the guy that freaked me out to play against.

Not many times does our DEF have to go against a guy that has a realistic shot (at the time) to get to 2000+ yards by the seasons end.

Dolphins did a GREAT job all things considered (injuries)... He had 29 rushes for 104 and just a 3.6 average. That was his lowest total since week 5 and the lowest per carry avg all year for him. Cryin shame we lost in OT!

Had the same lame feeling as the loss to Indy where the Fins have executed the perfect game plan in keeping Peyton off the field a RECORD amount of time and still lose a tight game.

Cheers,

If dez falls to 12, I'd rather give broncos our 1st rounder for Marshall than take Dez Bryant

It's not just the headaches with Marshall. If it was only a maturity issue I'd say sign him. Hell, we've dealt with Porter's lame a s s for years now and surely Marshall would put up numbers. But the fact is he is one mistake away from a multiple game suspension and after that, who knows. And his history shows he will probably make that mistake. What good to sign the guy and lose him to his own stupidity ala Chris Henry (RIP) or Pacman Jones.

Who knows, maybe with the change of scenery, whoever gets Marshall gets a changed man and he goes on to have a hall of fame career, so I understand the thinking of the Pro-Marshall people but I don't see it happening, especially in Miami.

Rob, couldn't agree more on Johnson. That guy is scary good. It’ll be interesting to see if he can keep up that torrid pace this year. I expect he'll slow down some...err...well, maybe not SLOW down, but put up smaller numbers this year. I’m also curious to see how Peterson responds this year after an “off” year.

I think you are overlooking some issues...1) Because of the murder of his teammate it is probably in everyone's best interest to remove him from Denver so he could start elsewhere with a clean slate. 2) If we provide him with his own personal relocation assistant (the successful Euro teams do this frequently per the book Soccernomics), and provide him with any support he needs to be successful, we should take this avenue.

Giving up a #12 pick is a steep price but there have been plenty of first round flops in the past and who is to say we wouldnt get one? At least with Marshall we know he is arguably the best WR in the game today. He is 26 and comes at the price of the #12 pick. Yes we will pay an arm and a leg for him re: his salary, but how much are we gonna pay that #12 pick with guaranteed $$ to boot?

This is a no brainer. I doubt his baggage comes with him provided we make sure he assimilates (spell check) into south Florida with his own personal relocation personal assistant.

Thanks for this blog Armando. I doubt the Dolphin brass will pull the trigger but they should at least do their due dilligence and really look into this as a possiblity.

Flipper,

They're not doing it for the 12th pick....you gotta get that straight!! Maybe if there's a trade down and we can work something out with Denver, but it's not happening otherwise.

I don't believe Marshall can continue in Denver. I think we'll see a trade of this guy at some point and I think it will end up being for less than the 12th pick. If the Broncos could get a 12th for him they would do it in a heartbeat!!.....not happening!!!

Is it just me or does it really annoy you to see how much success GM Rick Spielman has had with the Vikings???

I mean the guy was a MAJOR reason the Fins cupboards went so bare with crappy trades and draft picks so numerous and too painful to list.

He goes to the Vikings and acts like he knows what he's doing... drafts RB Adrian Peterson, Sydney Rice, Phil Loadholt, Percy Harvin among others... Also trades or picks up Jared Allen, Madieu Williams, Bernard Berrian and even gets Brett Farve to come out smellin like a rose.

I don't get it...are the football Gods that angry with the Fins?

Cheers,

You know Rob, maybe it's a case of having the right people around him to get those decisions right. Or maybe he learned from the mistakes he made with the Fins and changed his whole modus operandi and what he's doing now works. Any way you slice it, what a freaking jerk!! lol

If by the end of the Parcells era in Miami we haven't gotten significantly better and become a major contender for the SB year in and year out then I would have to assume that the football gods ARE angry and we'd better figure out what to do to appease them :)

Rob,

It's funny you should say that. I was watching Spielman on the NFL Network during the compound and he actually sounded pretty competent. I don't remember him like that when he was in Miami. I think he's done a decent job but yes, I think it does help when you have competent people around you too. Of course we'll have to see how much the Vikes slide backwards should Favre retire.

The Broncos tendered Marshall ONLY a 1st round RFA so that is max compensation a team would need to offer.

They could have done the top tier RFA 1st and 3rd but are trying to move the guy without too many concessions.

If NO teams jump on this 1st round pick for Marshall offer it will spell out loud and clear that NFL teams are being cautious and not diving on Marshall as people are suggesting.

If that happens it will force Denver to deal him at a lower cost 2nd rounder or conditional pick(s) etc.

Time will tell but, it's hard for me to fathom BP, Ireland and TS signing off on ANY obvious character concern guys.

The caveat is always if the price dips low enough, it makes sense to give it a try. The same could be said for Bolden. AZ has been coming down on their price and now it's at a 3rd rounder. If they still get no real action a 4rth rounder or 4rth plus some other consideration may do it.

Cheers,

Hey Mando, what about T.O.?

1ST round pick doesn't make sense, denver might have to settle for a 2nd or third round pick if they really want to get rid of him, just too much of a premium on 1st round pick value unless you are a team that thinks they are just one WR away from the superbowl and any sensible dolfan knows that's not the case in Miami. Why give up a first round for a WR when you can get a younger and maybe better Bryant with the same pick????

Craig M and Cavkong,

I saw that NFLN piece with Rick S too and dammit he was downright likable in it!

Being surrounded with a good cast of help is always great.

I think Spielman and Cam Camoron just came up with bubcas!

Cheers,

Gotta run!

Be back later, cheers.

The Phins should be smart and go after Nate Burleson -an upgrade from everybody they have now!

Since we no longer have any idiots in a position to decide what we do with our first round pick and it would take an idiot to it give up for Marshal it follows that the chances of that happening are nil.

i agree dont give up the 12th pick. but couldnt we trade our first round pick to a team with a 1st round pick in the 20-25 range. we would get their 1st and say a second rd pick. then use that lower 1st rd to sign mashall.

ENTER THE DRAGON THE MOVIE IS ON AMC NOW .CHEERS

Mando don't be dumb. Marshall represents more value at 12 then anyone who may fall to us in the actual draft. He's the 2nd or 3rd best wr in the NFL and young, worthy of a big contract. I do agree with you that it seems the Broncos are trying to move him but I feel it has more to do with McDaniels philosophy aka New England Patriots philosophy of ejecting players that disrupt team chemistry.

Stick to running the ball Zonk,you aint no Edgar Cayce so how are you gonna predict who might fall to us at 12 with such certainty?

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