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Todd McShay: Only 2 OLBs a value at No. 12

ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay just got off a conference call and I asked him his thoughts on outside linebackers and specifically, 3-4 outside linebackers that fit the Dolphins prototype.

The good news?

McShay believes there are two such OLB candidates that would be value picks at No. 12.

The bad news?

McShay believes there are only two such OLB candidates that would be value picks at No. 12 and both were college defensive ends and are being looked at as NFL 4-3 defensive ends by several teams.

The two players are Derrick Morgan of Georgia Tech and Jason Pierre-Paul of South Florida.

"If Miami's targetting one of the top two guys I mentioned and believe they can play outside linebacker which wouldn't shock me, by the way, Derrick Morgan I do think he's a better fit as a traditional defensive end," McShay said. "But he's 6-4, 268. Jason Pierre-Paul is a little bigger -- 6-5, 263. If they're targetting one of those two, I think at No. 12 it would be a good spot for either of them. I like Morgan a little more than Pierre-Paul, but I can see either player being a pretty good value."

I asked McShay to give me his three top "pure 3-4" OLBs and he mentioned Michigan's Brandon Graham, Texas's Sergio Kindle and TCU's Jerry Hughes. But I pressed him whether it's accurate none of those three would be value at No. 12, McShay.

"Yes," he answered, "That would be accurate to say."

That doesn't mean McShay doesn't like those guys. 

"I would probably start with Brandon Graham and depending on the 3-4 you're running, his height is a little bit of a concern so factor that in. I do think Brandon Graham, if you're looking for a 3-4 outside linebacker is as good as you're going to get in this class,' McShay said. "I just don't classify Derrick Morgan or Jason Pierre-Paul as typical 3-4 outside linebackers. I think Brandon Graham you start with his motor, intensity, toughness. I go back and watch LaMarr Woodley as a senior coming out and compare him to Brandon Graham and there's not a big difference. And you see the big impact Woodley has made.

"Sergio Kindle would probably be the next guy after Graham. He was productive at Texas but not quite as productive as you would have liked to see," McShay continued. "And he's at his best when you turn him loose and let him get up the field. He has good athleticism but he needs to get stronger versus the run, I think that's going to be an issue for him and may keep him out of the top 20 picks.

"After that I'd go with Jerry Hughes of TCU," McShay said. "He's an explosive pass-rusher and can get after the quarterback."

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I'm not a LIL b i t c h like you(use that term loosely, you give b i t c h e s a bad name) call me f a g o t.

Sorry, Give me a call F A G O T.

Sh*t, call me Patrick B I T C H!

Laugh it up f a g o t. You are under my skin b i t c h. Got my # p u s s y.


I would luv to stopm your f a g o t a s s....

Phone is not ringing F a g g o t ?

Po , go to bed , you're DRUNK !! I don't like sloppy sex. i'll toss your salad though.

LIL B i t c h,

What word comes to mind?

Yellow? Coward? P u s s y? B i t c h?


No d i c k? Hope so for the gay community.

You got my # F A G G O T!

I would take great pleasure in seeing you in a great deal of pain by my hand.


And I would be completely sober Spanky.

sweet blog tonight

Po , you're good with your hand ? will you toss my salad with it ??? PUNK !

Spanky ? will you Spank ME ?

Bobby...i post at work, so its kind of hard...I disagree with you on Marshall...so what if he did all that...at 26 I wasnt all that flash either..were you?...He HAS NOT i repeat HAS NOT been charged on any offence.
YES his homelife is crazy but so what???..I kind of feel you have a personal axe to grind here, like someone beat up your sister or something or you hate confrontation...no probs.
You get very passionate about this issue, OVERLY passionate.

Personally 50% of domestic violence in my experience is due to IMBECILE insecure males and the other 50% is due to BIG MOUTHED attitude WOMEN...there both just as bad as each other.Dont worry if women could beat up on men, many would.
In Marshalls case we dont know who is at fault.YES hes done it twice.Proves only that he is young and immature.That can be fixed.

But his talent is UNDENIABLE....do your job Parcells..!

I'm gonna make it my mission to get ya banned from the blog b i t h c h.

Oh and whoever is impersonating me...your a chickenshitt..!

Its the same F A G G O T that i'm talkin to Bigfly...

Send a email to Mando.

I'm gonna do it 10 times a day.

asalguero@miamiherald.com

I'm gonna send 10 a day.

Next week i'm gonna sent 20...


Week after i'm gonns sent 30 and so on.


Paul, He already knows who you are.

I have analyzed what Miami is going to do in this draft and this what I have concluded! 1st round they go for HAYDEN and second round they go WR but they have to figure out if they should take the leap for DEZ in the first! I say no they don't and go for HAYDEN or trade down and get EARL

WOW!!!!

CHIRP....CHirp....chir....

Parcells must be wishing he ha another 2nd round pick

LUV THE FINS

oh no, this blog has hit a new low

Posted by: carlito from golfito | March 18, 2010 at 07:04 PM

LOL Carlito.

New low?

We have a ways to go on that one.

But i'm on vacation and gotta 18 pack.

I'm game to break that record.

Posted by: Po White Trash | March 18, 2010 at 07:10 PM

PO,

I think it's safe to say, you now have the record!!!!

Ok PO, i will email Armando....the weasel that is doing it is a chickenshiit....

Doesn't sound like PO survived that 18 pack.


I just couldn't wade through all these posts so forgive me if this has already said. Here are a few bios for all of you.

Todd McShay: Todd McShay is a College Football Insider for ESPN and ESPNU. He makes regular appearances on a number of ESPN programs, including ESPNU Coaches Spotlight, SportsCenter, and ESPN Radio focusing on the NFL Draft. He also calls the East-West Shrine Game and the College Football Skills Challenge for ESPN. He and Mel Kiper Jr. often debate where each player will be selected. An example of that is that Mel Kiper Jr. likes Jimmy Clausen better than McShay. McShay also writes for ESPN Insider and gives several mock drafts from February to April.

Mel Kiper Jr:Mel Kiper, Jr. (pronounced /ˈkaɪpər/; born July 25, 1960 in Baltimore, Maryland) is an American football analyst for the ESPN television channel. He has served as an analyst for ESPN's annual NFL draft coverage since 1984, providing in-depth information on the nation's potential draft picks. Kiper has established himself as one of the most famous and recognizable of all NFL Draft commentators.[citation needed] He has played a major role in transforming the draft from a quiet meeting few fans understood or cared about into a major public event over the course of the last 25 years. He is also known for his trademark gelled hair, which has often been the butt of jokes.[3] Kiper and fellow ESPN draft expert Todd McShay often disagree with one another when it comes to mock drafts and player ratings.[citation needed] He also is well known for making that comment that Matthew Stafford would eventually be the NFL number 1 overall pick whenever he decides to enter the draft and this was as he was leaving high school. He is also well known for having stated that JaMarcus Russell will be a Top 5 quarterback in the league.

Armando Salguero:Armando Salguero has covered South Florida sports for 25 years, starting as a 19-year-old in 1982. He's covered the Dolphins since 1990 and hosts a Dolphins hour show every weeknight 7-8 on 790 TheTicket (790theticket.com). He has worked nationally for ESPN and also writes sports columns for The Miami Herald.

Rhino: Some jackass on a message board who doesn't get paid for his ramblings and usually posts late a night after drinking lots of alcohol because he has no one to talk to.

Bill Parcells: I am just going to give his wiki page because there is way too much to copy and paste http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Parcells


Ok so who do you want running your football team and making the selections when it comes to your draft? Count me as 1 vote for the Tuna

Armando,

I'm calling you out.......DUDE(this could be the Jim Beam talking Mando, so if you find this offensive pay no attention)!
I'm tired of hearing everybody and their brothers opinion on the upcoming draft.

Did I say I'm calling you out? Dude?

It's your turn MONDO brother..........ah ....yeah, your turn.
Give us Monda's take. Any format you choose. Give us your mock draft, 2 rounds, one? Give us your top 100, your top 20.

I'm calling you out Mander. When the bell rings.... dude......meet me out on the playground...........

If you don't wanna haf ta neet me on the playground, you better have me something.


He and Mel Kiper Jr. often debate where each player will be selected. An example of that is that Mel Kiper Jr. likes Jimmy Clausen better than McShay. McShay also writes for ESPN Insider and gives several mock drafts from February to April.

Posted by: Rhino | March 19, 2010 at 01:52 AM


Why does Mel like Jimmy better than he likes Todd? What did Todd ever do to Mel?

Seriously, Kiper and McShay could take a but buddy ride up broke back mountain for all I care.
I would put more stock in Aloco's top 100. Kiper and McShay are a couple of blowhards that never have to answer for their inept bullsh it.

Rhino: Some jackass on a message board who doesn't get paid for his ramblings and usually posts late a night after drinking lots of alcohol because he has no one to talk to.

Rhino?

Are you sure you're not me?



Yes I am positive. I am better looking.

Positive for what?

Sometimes being better looking can be a curse.

Seriously do you like Kiper and/or McShay?

What's your dream pick/scenario for the big no.12?

What part of the country are you in?

Jim Beam on the Rocks....and you?

LIGHTWEIGHTS!!!!

Time for round two. Guess I'm gonna see if I can't aggravate my favorite green eyed blonde in all the right ways!!!!


Not a fan of either Kiper or McShay

My dream for #12 is a rookie of the year and future hall of famer

I don't share this info. What do you want to meet for drinks or something?

Makers Mark Manhattan

Congrats on the green eyed blonde, what's his name?

WOW,the last two pages were ,uh ,well,shall we say informative?Na guess not

OK what did I miss.The posers are back I see.I knew I should not have stopped to see that fine barmaid.Well she is ALWAYS worth it and fun to boot.

My kid is a Fins fan and likes to keep up on this site.....what a shame to read all this crap being posted...Armando, can't you have this stuff blocked??????

Why are all these so called Pro-Analyst talking about LB's so much when the #1 priority for the Dolphins should be WR. They signed a LB already, they signed a OL already. Thats all good but those guys aren't gonna put the points on the board. Jesus Christ !!

BOBBY

AGAIN I CAN't JUDGE THAT MAN.
FOR ALL YOU KNOW SHE WAS BEATING HIS ASS AND HE PUSHED HER. SO SHE CALLED THE COPS.

THERE's ALOT OF WOMEN THAT WILL FIGHT. AND I DON't MEAN THAT HAIR PULLING THAT SOME MAY THINK BUT HIT YOU TO TRY TO KNOCK YOU OUT.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE. HE COMES HOME HIS LADY's MAD AND THEY GET INTO AN ARGUMENT. HE WALKS AWAY. SHE HITS HIM IN THE BACK. HE STOPS TO WARN HER.

HOWEVER SHE DOESN't STOP SHE HITS HIM NUMEROUS TIMES AND SHE's SWINGING HEY MAKER AFTER HEY MAKER.

HE GETS HIT IN THE FACE IN THE EYE EVERYWHERE.
HE DIDn't WANT TO HURT HER SO HE PUSH HER AND WITH HIM BEING BIGGER SHE GOES BACK AND FALL.

AFTER SHE HIT HIM 50 TIMES HE's BLOODY AND EVERYTHING SHE CALLS THE COPS AND SAID IT WAS SELF DEFENCE.

HE GETS LOCKED UP EVEN THOUGH HE IS HURT AND SHE DON't HAVE A SCRATCH.

I KNOW A COP WHO IS A FRIEND LOCKED SOME GUY UP FOR A BULLSHI+ CRIME SO HE CAN SPEND THE NIGHT WITH THAT GUYS GIRL.

ALL I'm SAYING IS I DON't JUDGE.

I

Dan Williams - conversation over.

Next round.....

Wow Justin, I enjoy how u wrote an entire blog on Marshalls domestic violence issues BUT totally skip over the rest of my question...So the assault on a Police Officer, the fact he pulled a gun on his own dad, the fact he may have more involvement in the murder of his teammate, u don't wanna answer that do you??? And the fact DIFFERENT women have accused him of the exact same crime is just a coincidence???? Ever here the phrase "Walks like a duck?" or "Where there's smoke there's fire?" Sorry Justin, he is a SKUMBAG major league, and put all together, anyone with any common sense should be able to judge what he really is

Kindle cannot play the run! Joey Porter Jr. We don't need that guy.

I would be depressed if they picked him that early.

Whoa, sounds like I missed some fun last night.

You OK Po? Where are you vacationing at? Going to Bonaire April 10-17. Round Trip air, lodging, unlimited air/nitrox, rental truck, free breakfast for $1500. Reef walking distance.

Cuban, Newtonian physics will not work for beer/remote. Quantum mechanics is the way to go.

Unless we sign OJ or Sharper, the best value at #12 will be Earl Thomas - great upside and ball skills.

Let's re-sign Jay Tay! He's still productive; 45 tackles, 7.5 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, INt and a TD. Also, I can't wait for the official reslease of WAKE the beast, I garauntee this guy will be a sack master!! I think a 2nd round OLB/DE to compliment those two and deveolp into a starter is the way to go rather than forcing the pick when there's more value at other positions with that #12 spot.

3rd round pick - NT; who will be available?

Dolphins made an offer to a bengals scrub

CocoaJoe, I have a feeling PO won't be up till late afternoon LOL...man I've learned to not be hanging around this blog too late cause ALoco will drive u insane and he definitley drove PO over the edge last nite!!!

The Miami Dolphins today hosted linebacker Rashad Jeanty (pronounced "jean-tee") on a free agent visit. Jeanty played the last four seasons with the Cincinnati Bengals.

Jeanty started his pro career as a defensive end with the Edmonton Eskimos of the Canadian Football League from 2002-05. He won the Grey Cup Championship with the Eskimos in 2003 and 2005. He signed a contract with the Bengals on February 13, 2006. In four season with Cincinnati, he totaled 241 tackles and five forced fumbles.

Which "scrub" is that waterboy?

I haven't heard of this Jeanty guy but with 60 tackles per year he must have been a starter? What about as far as sacks, does he get after the QB?

I would be happy with the following picks

1) Earl Thomas
2) Trade Down
3) Dan Williams
4) Bay Bay Thomas
5) Spikes
6) Dough Boy
7) Jimmy Graham
8) Morgan

I would be pissed with the following picks
1) Mclain
2) Spiller
3) Trade Up
4) Dez Bryant
5) Some Yahoo like Nalbone
6) Paul Pierce
7) Tebow

@ Jamillion
Word is Jeanty was a starter until last year, good against the run but went to the bench because of Maluaga.
He is good on Special Teams.

A nice scrub for Depth. Could start if Charlie Anderson stinks it up in TC

I'm not sure if I read his stats right but ZERO sacks in his time with Bengals???

B12,

Thanks for the info on Marshall. I knew about the domestic violence. I didn't know about assaulting a policeman or pulling a gun on his own father.
I tend to admire some people that assault certain officers, but this guy sounds a bit to close to the edge.
Has Marshall been charged or convicted for any of this sh it?
If it was you or me, we would be doing life in Sing Sing.

Waterboy, I like your pick order.
Earl Thomas, I also believe will be the best value at #12, specially if OJ or Sharper do not get signed.
There's really no clear choice for OLB at #12 so lets wait for that in the 2nd round, Dan Williams would be a nice pick as well and upgrade from both Solai and Ferguson though he may be a reach at #12.
We really need to resign Taylor and let the man retire a Dolphin.

Who do you guys think Tebow will go to and what round? I love how Henne called him out in that interview, he was just keeping it real with his thoughts. Tebow has great work ethic and attitude but he really just doesn't have the NFL tools, his arms are way too big to even have a productive throwing motion. With his determination he will play somehow but most likely will be a 3rd string QB or backup TE/FB. Tebow disciples will be disapionted, sad. lol

Jeanty probably would fit better in a 3-4 than he did in a 4-3 since he played DE in college and in the CFL. Was a good pass rusher in both. Would be a good low cost pick up. Wouldn't be a reason not to take a Derrick Morgan if you really like him (assuming he's on the board), but makes OLB less of a need.

Rd 1: Trade down, or Dez Bryant
Rnd 2: Jerry Hughes

Odinseye, let's face it, even me as a Law Enforcement Officer will tell u there is different justice depending on money n status...Donte Stallworth is a great example, there is no other citizen in Miami who wouldn't have gotten 15 yrs for DUI manslaughter....Someone like Marshall, the last place he needs to be is South Beach, it's like putting a problem gambler in Las Vegas

Esteban, putting OLB as much less of a need, if he signs does it change how u feel about the draft??

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