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Thursday afternoon notes on the Dolphins

NFL.com's Pat Kirwan, a former NFL scout, released his second mock draft and he's got the Dolphins picking Penn State defensive lineman Jared Odrick.

Odrick, 6-5 and 305 pounds with a motor that does not quit, can probably fill the need at nose tackle but also could have the position flexibility to play the five technique as one of Miami's ends.

After the Senior Bowl, when Michigan DE/OLB Brandon Graham was asked which players impressed him most, he immediately mentioned Odrick. Players know who's good and who's not.

ESPN draftniks Mel Kiper and Todd McShay both have the Dolphins picking Tennessee defensive tackle/nose tackle Dan Williams.

The intriguing thing to me is that if this happens -- and it might -- we'll have the Dolphins still addressing the defensive line a full three years after the new administration came to town and started reworking the unit by picking three defensive linemen in their first draft, signing one defensive linemen in free agency, and trading for nose tackle Jason Ferguson.

In total, the Dolphins have made seven moves to assemble their current defensive line, drafting Phillip Merling, Kendall Lankford and Lionel Dotson, trading their sixth-round picks in 2008 and 2009 to Dallas for Jason Ferguson and Dallas'  2008 sixth-rounder, signing Randy Starks as a free agent, trading a seventh-rounder for Tony McDaniel, and most recently, re-signing Ferguson as a unrestricted free agent.

The interesting thing is that the defensive line -- which many, including me believe is a team strength -- is still not sufficiently solidified that we might say there is absolutely no need there.

Guess rebuilding is a slow slog, folks.

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Joey Porter's visit with the Arizona Cardinals just ended minutes ago. He was not offered a contract, according to a league source. But it is early in the process and that could change in the coming hours.

Porter clearly would like to play on the west coast as his family lives in Bakersfield, CA. Why, you might ask, doesn't the Porter family simply pack up and live wherever Porter's career leads?

Porter has two sons and two daughters and one of the girls, Jasmine has autism. Porter's wife Christy open a daycare center for special needs children in their hometown of Bakersfield, Calif. and attends to the center daily.

Porter would travel across country to see his wife and the kids several times per season. He wants to play closer to home now.

Different side of the big mouth linebacker we came to know with the Dolphins, no?

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Speaking of former Dolphins linebackers, Zach Thomas was on WQAM 560-AM Thursday.

He was asked what he'd say if Bill Parcells asked him whether or not to go after enigmatic Denver wide receiver Brandon Marshall, a restricted free agent. 

"Yes," Thomas said emphatically. "Do it now before anybody else changes their mind."

Marshall has issues, as you know if you read this blog. He has a history with domestic violence. He has been often unruly in Denver. On top of that, he would cost a first-round pick. He would also cost a contract that would likely average $9-$10 million per year.

No problem, Thomas said.

"With Brandon Marshall it’s about money," he said. "If you pay the guy well he’s gonna play hard. He even played hard last year. He’s got a lot of pride, and he can be a little selfish, but good players are selfish. Look at a guy like Terrell (Owens), guys can go to extremes. But Brandon Marshall is a proven player; he’s still young, and I tell you what, he’s best in the league right now.

"It’s not even a first and a third. Miles Austin is a first and third because (Dallas wants) to keep him. He’s a first round? It would make everybody better. It would make Ted Ginn better, it would make (Greg) Camarillo better, all of them better -- (Davone) Bess. That’s who they need. Because if you’re gonna take a chance on Dez Bryant – I don’t know much about college, I go by what I hear – but if you’re gonna take a chance, you don’t need that. You go with a guy that’s proven."

Thomas, whose final year with the Dolphins was 2007, said he still suffers from symptoms of concussions that plagued him during the latter part of his career. He is working the Players Association to help educate players about concussions.

Thomas is primarily a fan now. And like you, he's hopeful about the 2010 season.

"I expect big things," he said.

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Former Dolphins guard Andy Alleman, traded to the Chiefs last year, has signed with the Indianapolis Colts. Congratulations to him.

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Mando

The question is do any of these DL have the raw athletic ability to play my lethal prevent defense.

I think not.

Keep in mind, Bill Parcells fired Pat Kirwan when they were both with the Jets.

Odrick is a 3-4 end, not a nose tackle. And defensive end is the Dolphins deepest position and already pretty young. This would be a bad pick.

I don't know if he can handle the NT position full-time; but he has a similar build to Jay Ratliff from Dallas and that motor is relentess.

I think they would be better off taking a Rush OLB or FS at that spot; or even Dan Williams if he is available.

oh not another draft of the trenches sure they need a nose tackle but i am thinking they ought to hold off to get cam thomas of nc
WIDE RECIEVER & OUTSIDE LINEBACKER 1st and 2nd
in that order even if they get a wide out in free agency get another in the draft and please please parcells and company no project picks you are still dealing with a few of those


Myself and few of the alum were sitting around the beach and the following question came up.

If every Dophins QB in the post Dan Marino era were entered into a Battle Royal style free-for-all, who would win.

My buddy Rick said Daunte Culpepper -- bad knees and all, would probably win as he has the best raw strength of the bunch.

Rick's brother Ross, put his money on Penningto -- saying that the canny veteran had some Rick Flair style pizzazz in him.

As for me -- I'm thinking about Gus Ferotte -- the man once gave himself a concussion by HEADBUTTING A GOAL POST. You don't f___ around wiht that kind of toughness...

Mando--


you of all people know that EVERY unit - - including the highly paid OLine, as you have repeatedly stated - - is being rebuilt.

To proactively criticize the possibility that a DLineman will be the pick at #12 is a bit much.

Any unit that gets the first-rounder can be criticized for the same reason--i.e., that "three years in and they're still drafting XXX," etc.

It is a slow slog; most of us fans have accepted this sad fact.

Where's the beef ? OL and DL are the foundation to any good team, you get them until you are 8-9 deep !!!!!!!

Ya Baby is right

You can never have too much beef up the middle.

LOL... Gary Stevens... thanks for the chuckle

BTW, Miami need playmaker in offense ! :-S

WR, TE and maybe RB.

Terrible comments Mando.

Blaming the FO for not being finished with the DLINE. All thats needed is a NT and you tell me, whats been available for them to do that?

i am not sure what your 7 count is (2 picks for Ferguson or resigning him). The guys contract ended. Should he not have been resigned so the dline count stayed at 6 or maybe signed him to a longer deal orginally?

Its a team strength but the FO is stupid for trying to maintain it as one.

And this was all sparked from speculation about a draft pick. Sheesh...


Wow, what a wasted pick taking a 3-4 DE in the first round. Horrible.

Did anybody see the side-by-side Kiper and McShay drafts on ESPN yesterday? Both guys had Miami taking Dan Williams DT from Tennessee.

I think it's OLB/NT 1-2 in either order so I'd certainly be on board with this pick and I think Williams will be a starter from Day 1.

All defense, a TE, no WR in 2010 boys.

Seer, here's how I see it.

The Dolphins have issues at NT -- Fergusson is a shadow of his former self -- and Solai is a ham-and-egger. NT needs to be addressed in the first three picks (he's hoping Mount Cody eats his way to #43)

The 5 technique DE's are actually harder to evaluate. In a traditional 3-4 alignment they are more about gap control and occupying blockers than true pash rushers. I think Kendall Langford, in particular has a tonne of potential while Randy Starks flashed huge last year. Merling is a bit of a dissapointment for a former 2nd round pick but he makes enough plays to give him due credit as a very solid background.

A 3-4 DE would have to be a once in a generation talent to make a huge game-day upgrade over Starks or Langford. Given the needs at FS, OLB and WR -- it would irresponsible to waste the pick on a stacked position.

'But wait' you say -- 'the conventional wisdom is you take the top player on the board -- and never draft for need' -- exactly which is why my money is, in fact, on the Dolphins trading down for a couple of additional picks.

lol gus

Joe Porter = Oakland Raiders

Terry - Other people / sites have mentioned that Miami has been very impressed with Odrick and others see us asking him to play NT. Armando - regarding the picks on the DLine... It's not as if we haven't picked WRs also... Turner, Hartline, Bess, Wilford, Grice-Mullen, the PS fools (James Robinson, Anthony Armstrong, etc.)

You forget MartinK, Bess was an undrafted FA.

There are two kinds of Dolphins Fans -- those who believe that, with the right pieces in place elsewhere the fins can win with a roster of #2 WRs -- and those who believe we need a #1.

Mando obviously falls into group number two, as do most fans. Parcells, however, seems to clearly fall into group one.

Just Because,

I also still believe OLB will be the choice. If by some zany chance Berry fell I think they would feel comfortable with him @12.

In this copy cat NFL world we have the success of Houston and Green Bay with OLB Brian Cushing and OLB Clay Matthew Jr as a template. Both teams had super success inserting those 1st round picks into their line-ups.

Throw in that BP loves him some knarly LB's and I think the chase is on.

They have been seperating the wheat from the chaf from jumpstreet so we shall see what new talent arrives to help the Fins win.

I would believe that since they coached him in the Senior Bowl that Dan Williams is also in the convo. He has size and motor they would like. If however they feel that a NT type can be selected in rounds 2-4 that is too far behind Williams I think they pick their favorite OLB prospect 1st round.

I just can't see the Fins hirng a babysitter to follow WR Dez around and wake him up and get him places on time. Rough life or not his own lightbulb should have gone on when he started hearing the chatter about him and clean up his act in college.

Cheers,

I agree with Thomas -

Why take a chance on Bryant when you can get a proven troubled talent like Marshall relatively cheap considering what he'll add to the team...?

looking at the past 2 drafts I think they will get 2 OLBs in the first 3 picks with a NT or WR (best available) as the other in the top 3. Then S for the next 2 picks. Then best available WR, RB, OL, TE, ILB for the rest. I hope we can trade down the first and still get Williams.

Mando,

I am very disappointed that the Phins haven't made at least an inquiry regarding O.J Atogwe. It seemed to me that he was the best FS available and can be had without giving up a draft pick. Is there a reason they have not even inquired about him?

If it's not a big plug in the middle of the line to take up 2 blockers the CAN'T take a DL with the 1st pick! That's insane! Hopefully a player a couple teams want falls to 12 so the Phins are able to trade back a few picks. Maybe Spielman in Minnesota will give back some of the picks he sold for a handful of beans while he was here.

i dont how much of Zack's word can we take, after all he he still suffers from symptoms of concussions

offer next years 1st for Marshall, but not this years 12th overall. We will/should be better next year, so likely to be in the 18-26 spot...

i dont know how much of Zack's word can we take, after all he still suffers from symptoms of concussions

Image and Thomas,

It would be a no brainer to get Marshall if you wanted to go after a talented WR round 1.

They both have very distinctly different red flags but they are both HUGE in their own right. The main difference talent wise is Marhsall has already put up good number in the NFL. You don't really have to wonder if he can do it at this level.

With Dez you CAN'T know until he puts on his big boy cleats.

That said, I am all for nabbing OLB like Brandon Graham or Weatherspoon in the 1st. Possible NT Williams and S E. Thomas would be included in the discussion but I would take either of the LB's myself.

It goes without saying that a trade down that netted extra picks would be optimal but, this feels like a year when many hang onto their picks. That means you would have to take less in trade to gain picks most likely.

I think #1 WR would be best filled in the 2nd with Georgia Tech's D. Thomas. His size is similar if not bigger than Dez or Marshall. He has speed as well.

All just in my opinion...

Cheers,

We'll give them the whole Wild kitten package, Ronnie Brown, the great Pat White, and we'll throw in the great Ted Ginn, for Marshall. They will have there whole offense made. LMFAO

I keep seeing people thinking/hoping the Berry falls inthe draft. I don`t think yhis is going to happen. However there is a bigger name that I think might,his name is Gerald McCoy.
Consider what could happen.
1 St Louis drafts a QB.2 Detroit has a brain and drafts Okung to be their Left Tackle. Tampa gets Suh.4 Washington has a brain and takes a tackle, 5 KC take Berry, 6 Seattle grab a QB,7 Cleveland get Haden they do need secondary help,8 Raiders take J Pierre Paul; he`s an athletic freak,and we all know about Al Davis. Buffalo next and they really need a tackle. All thats left between us and McCoy is Denver and Jacksonville. At this point I`d trade up past Denver and grab him.
I know it`s a long shot but... Only 3 teams need to take a tackle and 2 need QB`s,2 secondary guys and a little luck...

rob in oc,


i agree w/you on the point of filling our need for wr w/ D.thomas .

Chilly,

How would we the fans know of every move or player that the Fins brass are interested in?

They are not a regime that tip there hands too often and they may know more about the players injury being worse than is public.

If he is clear medically then he is probably being discussed.

I am sure Armando's Bat phone linked directly to BP's office doesn't ring often with news.

Cheers,

sign TO if not Marshall...TO was not a distraction in Buffalo and put up some awesome numbers considering the bills had NO passing offense to speak of.

He will produce and maybe he can teach some of the WR's like Patrick Turner how to perform better.

ps-Lets not make a big deal of the Ryan Clark scenario. He was offered a contract and he said "no thanks." Should be end of story. Lets continue to look forward.

I like hairy balz.

and i like hairy butts,

Hey ALoco,

Right on. The guy is a legit beast of a specimin. I would think he would qualify to be a #1 type WR and that way we don't have to figure out if sleepy Dez can make it to meetings.

With this Front office I think selling them on your passion for the game is paramount to becoming a Fin. Clark found out that no position is just handed to people. If having to earn your stripes while knowing you can scared Clark off... then, bye.

Dez Bryant should go put on one of those rubber wristband reminder bracelets (Or steal on of the 10 that Tim TeBow has...LOL) and it should read... W.W.J.R.D

For: What would Jerry Rice Do?

Cheers bud,

I agree with Zach 100%. Let's put him in the front office for a day and get it done. Parcells can go get a tee time tomorrow.

Trade Pigpen (Thigpen) for Quinn!! Get Marshall!

Mando, Do i detect that you are starting to like the idea of getting Marshall?

Jeremy in Cowtown,

I don't believe Berry will fall.

I do think that McCoy slipping could happen.

I don't see the Trifecta parting with the picks to jump up for anybody.

I believe they will be in fall in our lap mode come draft time so we can maintain leverage throughout the draft in getting other guys they really want later.

While it would be an outstanding get to have McCoy or Berry I think it would be a peeric victory.

Well played on your draft scenario though...

Cheers,

What up, folks.

I just told the twitter peeps I'd be here for an hour.

What's going on? (Guess I should read your comments to find out. Give me a second)

I agree with trading next year's 1st round draft pick for Marshall, there's no gurantee of a season next year. Adding Marshall and some better D this year in the draft we should be a ton better next year and won't need to build our team from the draft.

Armando, Who would you pick, Dan Williams or Dez Bryant

Just for the record... regardless of what any pros say, I dont beleive there is a single FA WR worth chasing.

Hey Mando -

What are some names being tossed around for possible starting positions left in FA???

Well to add to my last comment, we will need a RB next year with Williams most likely done. Mando, what's up with Leon Washington?

Seer, a little defensive, no?

I tell you what is the possibility and the facts -- they might use another high pick on DL -- and you see this as proactive criticism?

If you see a statement of fact as a criticism then I think you feel something you don't want to admit.

Mando,

Are you shocked how little the Dolphins offered Ryan Clark in their first offer - around 3.5 million a year and Antrel Rolle gets 7.4 mil a year - that's a big gap.

Also, it seems the Dolphins have very little urgency filling the 4 holes #1 receiver, NT, OLB, and FS since Clark...isn't this puzzling??

Mando - your thoughts??

Q: Jeff, thanks for the work you guys at the Herald do. I've read Mando my entire life. What's he like to work with?

Answered 03/09/10 15:51:21 by Jeff Darlington
A: He's the same guy in person as he is in print: Passionate, confident and relentless. He's one of the hardest-working dudes I know.

t,

I was sharing what Zach Thomas, a respected Dolphins alum, believes.

I think you guys know that I don't think Marshall is a good gamble. I wanted Anquan Boldin. You guys know that.

Yes, Marshall is a better player. But Boldin was less a character risk and much cheaper.

Whats the liklihood of us trading down in the 1st round (or possibly to the top of the 2nd) and still getting a NT?

can you see us trading down from the 12 spot if Dez and Dan Williams are gone or do you think they reach for a Odrick, Graham, Kindle?

Armando,

The "Twitter" folks have become the star belly snitches? They are more loved and instantaneous than we are?

LOL... just joking.

We are all just wringing our hands, hoping and praying to get NO "switches and coal" in our draft day stockings.

I know you like Brandon Graham (I'm a huge fan of that pick too) do you have a dark horse pick in the 1st or 2nd round? How bout a sleeper type any of your draft buds, scouts or insiders say to keep an eye on late?

Cheers,

Sprock, I have a feeling that 7.4 mill wasnt the first offer they gave to Rolle.

armando. can the fins trade down in the first round now. say to somewhere in the 25-32 range and use that pick to sign Marshall? then we are getting him plus other consideration

Mando, I didnt mean my comments negatively... please dont take them that way. I agree with you completely that Marshall isnt worth the risk. I dont think that any player, regardless of position, is worth the risk that Marshall would bring.

Sprock, this is the thing on the Clark issue:

The Dolphins have always been very good at setting a price they're willing to pay on a player. They believe in that price and will happily pay that price. And if not, they'll let the player walk.

They set a price on Clark, but are now saying they would have gone higher? Now they're saying that was their first offer?

That doesn't jibe with their history, that doesn't match what Clark said. I simply don't buy it for a minute.

I was a winner at this years arnold classic in the featherweight division . I'm huge !!! I'm also about to fight manny pacquiao after i put some weight on from my featherweight division. i' a champion boxer. Did i mention i'm huge ? /

What do you think are the chances of Tedd Ginn getting traded before the season starts?

Mando,

I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Eric Berry fell to #5, if we traded with KC and grabbed him. Given the relationship between Pioli and Parcells, I don't think the cost would be as high as normal. Sort of like the Jets-Browns trade last year. While I am high on having picks, especially in such a deep draft, if it was a good deal for us, I could see it happening. Maybe include guys like Merling or Camarillo. Your thoughts?

Dantheman,

You da man!

Anyway, RB will be a problem next year. Can we start to solve this year's problems first?

This team has a starting OLB vacancy and a starting FS vacancy. If they want to field a team in 2010, that's kind of important to have 11 starters.

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