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Thursday afternoon notes on the Dolphins

NFL.com's Pat Kirwan, a former NFL scout, released his second mock draft and he's got the Dolphins picking Penn State defensive lineman Jared Odrick.

Odrick, 6-5 and 305 pounds with a motor that does not quit, can probably fill the need at nose tackle but also could have the position flexibility to play the five technique as one of Miami's ends.

After the Senior Bowl, when Michigan DE/OLB Brandon Graham was asked which players impressed him most, he immediately mentioned Odrick. Players know who's good and who's not.

ESPN draftniks Mel Kiper and Todd McShay both have the Dolphins picking Tennessee defensive tackle/nose tackle Dan Williams.

The intriguing thing to me is that if this happens -- and it might -- we'll have the Dolphins still addressing the defensive line a full three years after the new administration came to town and started reworking the unit by picking three defensive linemen in their first draft, signing one defensive linemen in free agency, and trading for nose tackle Jason Ferguson.

In total, the Dolphins have made seven moves to assemble their current defensive line, drafting Phillip Merling, Kendall Lankford and Lionel Dotson, trading their sixth-round picks in 2008 and 2009 to Dallas for Jason Ferguson and Dallas'  2008 sixth-rounder, signing Randy Starks as a free agent, trading a seventh-rounder for Tony McDaniel, and most recently, re-signing Ferguson as a unrestricted free agent.

The interesting thing is that the defensive line -- which many, including me believe is a team strength -- is still not sufficiently solidified that we might say there is absolutely no need there.

Guess rebuilding is a slow slog, folks.

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Joey Porter's visit with the Arizona Cardinals just ended minutes ago. He was not offered a contract, according to a league source. But it is early in the process and that could change in the coming hours.

Porter clearly would like to play on the west coast as his family lives in Bakersfield, CA. Why, you might ask, doesn't the Porter family simply pack up and live wherever Porter's career leads?

Porter has two sons and two daughters and one of the girls, Jasmine has autism. Porter's wife Christy open a daycare center for special needs children in their hometown of Bakersfield, Calif. and attends to the center daily.

Porter would travel across country to see his wife and the kids several times per season. He wants to play closer to home now.

Different side of the big mouth linebacker we came to know with the Dolphins, no?

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Speaking of former Dolphins linebackers, Zach Thomas was on WQAM 560-AM Thursday.

He was asked what he'd say if Bill Parcells asked him whether or not to go after enigmatic Denver wide receiver Brandon Marshall, a restricted free agent. 

"Yes," Thomas said emphatically. "Do it now before anybody else changes their mind."

Marshall has issues, as you know if you read this blog. He has a history with domestic violence. He has been often unruly in Denver. On top of that, he would cost a first-round pick. He would also cost a contract that would likely average $9-$10 million per year.

No problem, Thomas said.

"With Brandon Marshall it’s about money," he said. "If you pay the guy well he’s gonna play hard. He even played hard last year. He’s got a lot of pride, and he can be a little selfish, but good players are selfish. Look at a guy like Terrell (Owens), guys can go to extremes. But Brandon Marshall is a proven player; he’s still young, and I tell you what, he’s best in the league right now.

"It’s not even a first and a third. Miles Austin is a first and third because (Dallas wants) to keep him. He’s a first round? It would make everybody better. It would make Ted Ginn better, it would make (Greg) Camarillo better, all of them better -- (Davone) Bess. That’s who they need. Because if you’re gonna take a chance on Dez Bryant – I don’t know much about college, I go by what I hear – but if you’re gonna take a chance, you don’t need that. You go with a guy that’s proven."

Thomas, whose final year with the Dolphins was 2007, said he still suffers from symptoms of concussions that plagued him during the latter part of his career. He is working the Players Association to help educate players about concussions.

Thomas is primarily a fan now. And like you, he's hopeful about the 2010 season.

"I expect big things," he said.

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Former Dolphins guard Andy Alleman, traded to the Chiefs last year, has signed with the Indianapolis Colts. Congratulations to him.

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Tampafin,

I'll jump on the bandwagon of saying your crazy!! We have a good young guy in there, a guy who could start for us for ten years and we're going to trade him away for a pick. I think there is NO chance of this happening. I agree with bobbyd....after all we've been through at the QB position this would be ludicrious. This isn't how Parcells works.

Armando thanks for getting back to me. I know your a busy guy these days but stick your head in the blog a little more, would ya.....we miss having you around!

Bootang.....always a good read. I probably respect your opinions on a lot of this stuff as much as anybody. I know your interested in doing some sort of sports management thing...I think you are well on your way!!

Guys, I have to be honest, because it's the Raiders and I hate them and because they are SO bad year after year, I don't really pay much attention to them. Is Andra Davis any good? I know the Raiders are dysfunctional and I always feel with them you can't gauge players properly because they are so messed up but is this the same guy who played in Cleveland? Is he worth acquiring or should we be drafting an OLB in the draft?

Brian Hartline is too slow and too white...

Sorry guys....I think I thought this guy was with the Raiders....it's the Broncos. And he did play for Cleveland. Makes more sense now. Still, would he be a starter on this team or would be sign him for depth?

Armando, remember that Rome wasn't built in a day. And neither will these Dolphins. though it's frustrating, I'd rather see the Fins build slowly to be a consistent winner i.e. Colts, Pats, Steelers than a flash in the pan team that gets hot for one year & then fades the next several years.

Armando,

Like Tebow, McClain and many others Graham will have another pro day. I believe I read it was April 10 but don't quote me on that.

I think he will answer some questions then. Despite his slight height difference and the arm length flap I think he is REALLY a Bill Parcells type of player.

He may not be the 2nd coming of L.T. coming off the edge but he is the closest this draft has imho. Lead the nation in tackles for loss and that is hustling! He shows great instincts to locate where the ballcarrier is and doesn't pursue from behind by taking bad angles as some players do. I feel he will be a stud.

Like you, I was bummed he pulled his hammy at the combine but at least he did it competing! Ahem, unlike one of his more heralded peers.

Here is a video that shows him working out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-Aky4TdRuI

He is/has been definitely working out and hitting it hard. The bench as well as the hang and clean is 315lbs by my calculations!! WOW, that's a ton of weight for any size player. It also sounds like he can make great strides with a better planned diet.

Cheers,

Eric,

That statement is ridiculous. Brian Hartline showed more potential than any Dolphin last season imho

GetterDone,

Agree that it's a long shot, but Dez Bryant especially, will be snatched up if available, and we pass on him. It all depends on how good a poker player one is.

Craig,

Appreciate the compliment. The Davis signing would be huge for us on a bunch of levels. He provides depth and leadership. He gives us additional draft flexibility, if we can't land a starting OLB we could move Dansby outside. But the most important thing is he already knows what Mike Nolan wants out of his defense. He will be an extra source of information for our guys. He would give us a Pennington type as far as helping teach the younger guys.

The Cuban has arrived, What's on the plate tonite boys????

Mando...nice job with this blog. Thanks for the information, we all look forward to it.

Man, there's a lot of upset Broncos fans at the cutting of Andra Davis. Most people seem to think he's still a good leader. Hopefully the trifecta at least looks at this guy.

And for the guy that suggested Thigpen for Whitner, I think that would be a good move. There are criticisms of Whitner but I think he would bring a dimension to our backfield that would help and he's still relatively young.

I think we can find a quality NT later in the draft. We need FS, OLB,WR. I think you take the best player available at the #12 spot. Whether Dez Bryant slips to 12, Sergio Kendle, Jason Pierre-Paul, or Ronaldo McClain, Taylor Mays or Earl Thomas would all make sense.

Then in the 2nd or 3rd round we can add a NT like Mt. Cody at #43 or Cam Thomas or my favorite prospect Linval Joseph from East Carolina (6'4" 328 lbs. 39 reps of 225 lbs) in the 3rd.

A Thigpen trade in our own division isn't really a good idea. The Welker trade should come to mind. I think the general consensus is that Thigpen has a good amount of potential, why trade him to a division rival. Additionally, even if Buffalo is tired of Whitner, you would think they know S is one of Miami's biggest holes. Why would they trade him to us? I have seen crazier things happen, but can not see this happening.

Boot, I was gonna post essentially the same thing to Craig M.
I think it all comes down to Davis asking price, his age (31), not true trifecta size, and how much Nolan pushes for him.
I wouldn't object to him playing here for the right price, especially since we are most likey going OLB earl;y in the draft.

Getter,

I read a good article on Nolan using a very high number of different packages as far as LB went last year. A couple of there guys had a large number of snaps all along the defensive front. I would not be surprised if in FA and the draft we added 3 or 4 more LBs.

Bootang,

I agree. the only thing I wasn't sure of is whether the guy still has it. If he's still good why are the Broncos cutting him. And if he's still got leadership wouldn't he be of use to help a guy like McClain?

I think this just backs up what I was saying yesterday.....Denver is one messed up organization!! How can Bowlen sit back and let these guys run his organization into the ground. They will be like the Raiders in a couple of years.....

it was kind of a joke Mark. But when was the last time a white wideout made a difference on a team as a number 1 receiver.

Did you read my NT post that we can find a quality NT of the future in rounds 2 or 3 and we don't have to neccesariy have to take Dan Willaims at #12

Ok boys I'm out!!......I will try and check in later tonight.....

Cody will not last come #43. Not when 3/4 of D's are applying the 3-4.

Craig,

The Trifecta will undoubtedly look at it. Teams often don't have a role for a guy anymore. I bring up Pennington, who got cut, and Ferguson, who got traded for next to nothing. There squads had no use for them. They were key for us because of what they bring on the field, but arguably more importantly, what they provide in the locker room. If Nolan goes to the Trifecta and vouched for this guy, and he comes at the right price, I believe we sign him.

Boot agreed, Nolan does use a lot of looks, and especially on the front. He utilized Davis far better than he was ever used in Cleveland, and that was on a Crennel type D, even tho he wasn't the coordinator.
Nolan also was responsible for the delayed coming out party of Dumervil.
Nolan has an eye on how to cook the groceries he's been given.

Then I say take Linval Joseph from East Carolina he has prototypical size and athleticism for the position. 6'4" 328 lbs. 39 reps of 225 lbs (Jake Long had 37 reps) faster 40 times then Dan Williams (24 reps of 225 lbs) Mt. Cody, and Cam Thomas. Also had better broad jump #'s then those 3 as well. Broad jump measures lower body strength which is key to NT position.

John the Dolfan,
I agree, I too am not sold on Williams at the 12 spot, he will most likely take time to develop and he isn't a real huge upgrade over approx 4-5 of the prototype NT's in this draft.
I think Tuna knows this and will shoot for Joseph or Troupe later.
At the 12 spot you have to get a guy that will be a starter ASAP.
I like Kindle/Morgan/Spoon/Hughes in that spot.

nolan has been fired alot. course he cant be any worse than what we had. wish lee was our ocord instead of henning

Craig M,

I didn't say trade Henne for a first round pick. I said would they consider trading him for two picks (a first and a second or a first and a third).

With all the holes the Fins have to fill, a first and a second round pick would be something to think about. The Fins could possibly fill two needs with the trade that would be immediate starters (not counting their own picks).

They will try to trade a lot of players for extra picks.

Will Pennington be allowed to compete for his old job? If Henne plays even with Pennington prior to the season, he should start. If Pennington outplays Henne, does the FO still allow Henne to start? I say play the best players.

John, both Nolan AND Sprano have both stated numerous times that the NT position is THE most important position in the 3-4....since they both have stated that, why do u think we should take a second rate NT??? U take the best you can, which if he is there, Dan Williams

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henne is the starter, period.

Tampafin, great so we throw the QB position back into a mess and watch Henne become a great QB elsewhere??? U don't take a position of strength and make it weak...u have PATINCE and continent to fill the weak positions with FA and draft picks with time

AHHH Ohhhh A possible "Plungie" Finalist.....

bobbyd, I just don't think Williams is that much heads above some of the others, this is a deep enough draft for NT types.
Williams probably doesn't start right away over BigPaul, so why spend your most important and highest paid pick on him when you can get a good value NT later to do the same thing as you would with Williams...groom.

Anyone out there familiar W/ Denario Alexander from Missouri? He is 6'5 and ran the same 40 time as Dez. he was at the senior bowl but did not play because of injury. He would have been projected in the mid 2nd-3rd round. I'm sure the coaching staff had a good look, and he may be worth a flier in the late rounds if he is available.

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Tampafin, about trading Henne......

Tampafin,

I'm just not sure why you would want to mess with the QB position. This guy has the potential to be really good. Do you want to see him be really good somewhere else? For like the next ten years? So what would your answer be at the QB position? Pennington and Thigpen? Not exactly first rate is it? And what in 2-3 years? Start over again?

No, Henne is the man. Pennington has been brought back to be nothing more than a third string QB at this point and should something develop allowing us to get something good for Thigpen, then so be it. But Pennington is there to mentor Henne, provide some veteran leadership and some insurance. No way he takes over from Henne unless the kid really struggles!!

Lot of teams are going to 3-4...NT will be at a premium and alot of draft boards have Williams moving up the boards...We can take Williams at 12 and get a top rated WR Demetrius Thomas maybe in second round...There will be enough OLB depth in round 3 to round things out

bobbyd,

I side with John on this one.

If Williams is there at #12 (I think he will be) AND if the group of "other" DT/NT types that include Thomas,Troup and Joseph is comparable why would you use the 1st pick in such a close race?

If you think Williams is in a different stratosphere then there is your answer.

Do you think Dan Williams is much better or in draft terms a round or two better than the other DT/NT prospects?

Just picking your brain.

Cheers,

Rob in OC's love for Brandon Graham is unending and his hate for McClain is legendary...

These are the types of things novels are made from

Marino,

Henne showed some promise last year but he also screwed up.

I hope I'm wrong but I believe Henne will only be an average QB not an elite QB.

Tampafin, C'Mon Man, think about it. Your so far off base here.

No way Henne should be traded, and no way a team would give up a 1st n 2nd or 3rd together.
Both sides know the jury is still out on him.
Plus he's showed a lot more promise than Thigpen in a much shorter amount of time.

LOL GetterDone,

We had nearly the same post to Bobbyd.

Touche'

Cheers,

Getter, Are you nominating Tampafin for a "PLUNGIE"????

The simple truth is, going into year 3, our Miami Dolphins should not have this many holes to fill.

And please, no '1-15, patience, Rome not built in a day, we trust Bill' responses. That $hit is wearing a little thin.

What a lot of you people don't understand is bad decisions in the NFL are a lot like bad decisions in life. You're usually stuck with them for a while.

Ron In OC, sounds like the same arguement that happened with Jake Long, u can pick up another serviceable guy at that position later on blah blah blah...and again with the way Nolan and Sprano have both talked about NT, don't u think u take THE BEST not someone "close to the best"????

tampafin, C'Mon dood, no QB is elite right away.
So even if Henne was traded in your fantasy world, then what so called elite QB do you select in the draft with your new found picks????
Waiting

Cocoajoe,

When Tuna came to this team there were 53 holes... I'm sorry, 51... We had Ronnie Brown and a punter...

Now there are 4 (NT, WR, FS, OLB)

carlito,

You could say the exact opposite holds true for you...

except you may not dislike BG as a player as much as I think McClain is not one.

Now I can't say anything about B Graham without you saying something?

No novel... just facts.

Cheers,

TO on the plane heading to Oakland, perfect spot for him

were a 8-8 team with this roster, lets get some playmakers

Rob in OC,

"Brandon, friends listen to endless love in the dark..."

LOL!

bobbyd,
Why is Williams the best of the NT prospects in your opinion, most importanly, in the trifecta's opinion.
As for moving up the board, the same has been said about Joseph and Troupe.

We are a 6-10 team with Brandon Marshall and no defense

Rob in OC,

You are delusional. I like both players. I just think Brandon Graham would be a better fit on a different team... I would take Weatherspoon over him any day.

only 4 holes, wow are u insane. we have plenty of holes to fill.

Marino,

We are talking about the Dolphins team, not my saturday night.

Bobbyd,

I want to be clear that I am not picking on your strategy and in fact include Williams in my 1st round picks list as well.

I am just thinking out loud here.

Who is you 3rd round OLB that will make a difference?

You and I are in the same boat on grabbing D Thomas WR in the 2nd. So we are same plage there.

If I go Brandon Graham or Weatherspoon in the 1st I think a Joesph, Troup in the 3rd is a fair trade.

Who is your 3rd round OLB?

Cheers,

carlito, yes tampafin is hanging by the handle of the plunger.
I know he wants more draft picks, who doesn't, but that sure as hell isn't the way a sane front office would go about it.
He'll learn, at least he's a Phin fan and not a Succaneer fan from tamps.

opps, last post was meant for Cuban not Carlito, get you guys mixed up...lol

"PLUNGIE,PLUNGIE,PLUNGIE" Where's NJ when you need him????

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