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A speculative but interesting trade scenario

The following is not based on sourcing or reporting and is not likely to happen, alright? The following is merely fanciful speculation so let's get that out of the way before anyone spits up breakfast or the folks at rotoworld report this as fact. (By the way, rotoworld guys, I'm not the Dolphins beat writer. I'm a columnist at The Miami Herald so please get that correct from now on.)

This much is certain and true: Oklahoma State wide receiver Dez Bryant was in New England visiting the Patriots Thursday, according to the Boston Globe, Boston Herald, National Football Post, NESN.com, and probably even the dudes at rotoworld.

The Patriots have a situation at wide receiver because they lack a legitimate No. 3 even as their No. 2, Wes Welker, is recovering from a shredded knee and torn rotator cuff. The knee injury happened the final game of the 2009 regular season so the chances Welker will be his usual 100-catch self by the start of the 2010 season seems unlikely.

So the Pats have receiver issues.

And that's big because Tom Brady requires weapons and right now Randy Moss is the only healthy receiver on the roster that gives opposing defenses pause. Now, it says right here that perhaps the Patriots were working the Bryant visit as one of their evil empire devices. But maybe, just maybe, they have a serious interest in Bryant.

If that interest is serious, is it so far-fetched that New England might be willing to trade up to pick Dez Bryant? And what better place to trade up to than perhaps the No. 12 spot in the draft which is currently owned by ... the Miami Dolphins.

It is possible the Dolphins fancy Bryant because he is the best receiver in the draft and they need an upgrade at wide receiver. But it is also possible the Dolphins have no intention of picking Bryant because, regardless of his talent on the field, his stock has been in free-fall mode because he was late to something or other a couple of times.

Seriously, Bryant is the draft's best receiver. Anyone that doesn't see that is blind. And yet, despite never being arrested, he is reportedly falling because of maturity issues and a nightmarish background.

So perhaps the receiver-hungry Dolphins get a chance to pick Bryant. But perhaps the ever-conservative Dolphins don't really want to exercise that opportunity.

Trade!

If the Patriots want Bryant, well then, come and get him!

Back up a second ... even if the Dolphins like Bryant and would pick him, they should still consider trading the pick if Bryant is there at No. 12 because, let's face it, Bryant isn't going to resolve all their problems. But perhaps the Dolphins can use a chance to pick Bryant as a chip to dangle before the Patriots for one of their three second-round picks.

The Dolphins could give New England the No. 12 overall selection in exchange for moving to New England's No. 22 overall selection and picking up a second rounder -- the Pats own Nos. 44 overall, 47 overall, and 53 overall.

That would give the Dolphins three picks in the first two rounds, which means three possible starters on a team that needs starters at wide receiver, free safety, nose tackle and outside linebacker.

Works for me.

This trade value chart, which assigns a point value for every slot in the draft, says an even trade of this magnitude would require the Patriots to give up their 47th overall selection or the second-highest of their three second-rounders.

That would give the Dolphins Nos. 22, 43 and 47 overall.

Is that a superior or inferior standing than having No. 12 and No. 43 overall?

Granted, this scenario would give the Patriots the best wide receiver in the draft. But it would give the Dolphins the ability to pick up three starters.

Yes haters, I recognize the two clubs are in the same division.

The Washington Redskins and Philadelphia Eagles are also in the same division and they just completed a trade. The Pats and Fins were in the same division in 2007 and completed a trade for Welker.

The question here, in this speculative scenario, is would you give up the opportunity to draft Dez Bryant in exchange for New England's pick toward the bottom of the first round and an additional second rounder?

I believe after mulling it a good 10 or 15 seconds, yes, I'd do it. 

 

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Fernet, hell yes

Shut up dude. Every year at this time it gets slow, and you can never seem to scrape any real story together. He just talked with the Pats. He's going to talk with plenty of teams, I'm sure. Find some other hypothetical to talk about. I check this site every day in hopes reading some insightful article about my beloved Phins, and if I'm lucky enough to get a story to read, it's this crap. STOP IT!

First off, props Mando. Secondly, funny that the patriots needing a third wideout is a "situation," while the Phins have none. Might that qualify as a "crisis?"

If that were the scenario, our board could look like this. #22 Golden Tate Wr.
#43 Morgan Burnett S. #47 Linval Joseph NT. or Jerry Hughes Olb.

I agree with this. Although I think Miami does need another WR, I do think they can find a decent one in the second round. I think if they have two picks in the second, they can nab some more defense in the second, and take a safety as their first pick, and a wr as one of their second picks. I would try and get a safety with the first pick though as it will be hard to get a really good one in the later rounds.

I can see the concern for us. We need TE, WR, 2 OLB's, FS, and NT, that's 6 players and realistically 4 picks, rounds 1-4 to solve this. Granted we can get by w/ maybe late picks at TE but we still need to fill 5 spots w/ 4 picks.

I think Mondo is back on da crack! what a waste of time to even think of this...

F da Patsies!

NJPhinfan is a patsie to, don't listen to his blah, blah, bullcrap and LOLs, OMG, & LMFAO and "just breakin your balls". ur a dummy NJ!

pick Morgan if not pick Bryant if not pick Thomas

Julie...we dont need a "decent" WR....we have "decent" wide receivers aplenty...Bess, Cam,Harline...all decent...and all fine upstanding young men....We actually need a GAME BREAKER wr.We need a 'CHUNK YARD DOG"...a mean MOFO who has to be double teamed.
How much longer are we gonna play this BS conservative game??...We need points through the AIR....
YES...draft defense by all means...lets stop giving up points...but on OFFENCE our next WR needs to be a BEAST...no point getting a "decent" receiver..!!!

We need to start getting top notch talent in the draft not the 5th best player at a position who never ammounts to anything other than an average player. We will never be more than average unless we get the best guys at a position. We need more than a bunch of average players to fill the voids in the roster..I would rather get a real star playmaker with our #12 pick that will be a force for the team for the next 10 yrs. That saftey from Texas might be the right player.. Ed Reed Jr..

amounts ...not ammounts ..

If Bryant is gone...trade down with Tennessee at 16 (so they can get Morgan) and pick up a third (#78).

Trade down again a few spots and pick up another 3rd or 4th and take Demaryius Thomas.

Use one of those picks to move up from the second spot to take a better player or to move from 3rd round to 2nd to get 2 2nd round picks.

I'd definitely do it...I'm no fan of Dez Bryant...not only because of the reasons you listed Mando, but he's also essentially a year removed from competitive football. Nobody seems to remember that...he played in only 3 games last year! Not only that, he showed up to the combine overweight and pushed his pro day back due to injury, suggesting he may have conditioning issues. Because of my opinion of him, I would not draft him with the intent of trading him. What if New England was playing everybody, and they don't have interest? We're now stuck (yes, stuck) with this guy who we really didn't want to pick, but did so in order to accumulate another pick from someone who was willing to take the risk on him. And that would make two years in a row the Patriots fooled us into taking a player we thought they might take (allegedly)...see Pat White. It also tells you how weak the WR class is this year when a receiver you have to look to the '08 season for highlights, is the hands-down best receiver in the draft...never mind his off-field issues. Sorry to poo-poo your scenario, but why wouldn't New England just trade with Denver? They get the slot before us, and give their extra pick to an out-of-division team...I can see their runner shooting us the bird as they pass our table to make their pick...

Mando is partly right,or,all the way right.SS or NT at 22,same and ad OLB at 43,trade 47 to denver for marshall and well....OK just a thought.

#12 Saftey from Texas # 43 Best OLB or NT Cody if available or WR which ever has the best talent available. #73 LB WR TE RB ..#110 WR RB LB #173,174,179,212,219,252.. Best talent at any position .. Sign T.O for one year to help the receiver position if we cant get a top WR..

On the T.O bandwagon for one year!

Get A WR next year

Please,tri-fecta let me go to my middle age with a solid team to watch.Damn I miss the 1980's with THE MAN and the MARK'S BROS.

I hear there is a Pat White clone available in the second round. We could do that? And we would just let the Patsies suck us into another deal to make us look like the Welker deal did. No football news eh?

slow day huh?

I agree with the trade down thinking, however I would not want to trade down so far if I could help it. I would rather only move 3-5 spots and maybe pickup an early round 3 or high round 2. That way we can choose a quality starter at 1 and pick a good extra pick.

Just read last blog posts and forgot it is now a Quad-fecta.Nolan will have say on the drafting of the D (said this on a past blog)and thing's just may change the way the phins draft.I think he will have a say.(Why wouldent he?).

I hope not don't want to see dez burn the dolphins for years to come. I am not saying let's draft him... But don't gift wrap him to a division foe for any amount!

Maybe I should be reading articles/blogs from a beat writer and not just a "columnist at the herald..."

I LIKE IT A LOT ...

22 ... CODY,NT ... and put him on a diet. He is the best 2 down run stopper in the draft

43. HUGHES, OLB, TCU (and keep JT)
47. R.JONES, F.S., GEORGIA

3rd round .... DEXTER MCCLUSTER,RB ole miss
4th round .... MIKE WILLIAMS, WR, syracuse

trade Sweeney for a 4th ... J.JERRY,OL ole miss

6th (3 picks) MICAH JOHNSON,ILB, F.BARNES,WR, SCHOENFIELD,OLB
7th (3 picks) KAFKA,QB, nw plus BPA BPA

No offense but this scenario is flawed. If the pats were going to move up to grab byrant they'd have to leap frog the broncos, so that's the 10th spot not the 12th. And if byrant is still on the board at 11, the pays are more likely to trade with the broncos than to help out a divisional foe and trade with the phins. That's just common sense.

Armando,

You are the best Dolphins beat reporter we got scoop.

What is it with those Pats and shredding their knees? Somebody gotta do it everyyear... who will it be in 2010?

Great...now the clowns in the media are going to start floating this as 'news' because Armando presented it as 'just an idea'.

If you read my blog post almost a month ago, i insinuated the same thing, this 12th pick will and should be traded. It will allow us to pick-up two NT's Alabama's Cody being the first, two OLB's, two WR's. Two chunk yard specialist (undersized skill guys) and you feel in the rest. Oh yeah Tyler Thigpen will be traded for 6th round pick this year and a conditional seventh next year.

the dolphins will never pick cody. forget all this trading down crap, just draft bryant already. they will get all these other players thinking they filled all their other holes and they will be major busts and we will be in the same position next year.


every trade down possibilty sounds good for a team like miami who need a lot of help but a trade with the pat's ??????????

NOT GONNA HAPPEN

Whats wrong with being a beat writer?

Armando Salguero, beat writer... its got a nice ring to it....

The real question on this scenario is would you rather the Pats have Dez Bryant or 3 picks in the 2nd?

NOPE....keep #12 and draft the biggest, nastiest beast at LB on the board...period.
This is the way of the Tuna!

The Fins MUST, I repeat... MUST pick Dez. WE CAN NOT allow the enemy to get a weapon that will SHREED us for the next 15 years.

All of you people that are against drafting a play maker are dumb and dummer.

Sure we need other spots filled but we MUST get a play maker.

I tell you all this FACT..

FACT...

If Dez is still available at the 12 pick and Miami passes on him...

GAME OVER.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO SUFFER and if NE gets Dez, we will continue to suffer for the next 15 years.

NE KNOWS how to pick players and I believe that the evil Belichick is MUCH better at building a team then the Tuna. NE record speaks for it self...

What has Tuna done for you lately?

Let's see..

He ran away from the Jets, the Pats. So, he only won with the Giants.

Now, he's at it again and will make mistakes and do it Bills way and screw up our team with his BS picks.

I say if Tuna does NOT pick a play maker this draft, then I say GOOD BY TUNA and don't let the door hit you in that phat butt.

actually not that crazy of an idea , but I still keep #12

The Pats could easily trade up, but I think they or another team that wants Bryant will have to trade up in front of us. I actually expect someone to trade in front of us to do just that.

We need playmakers on defense more than offense.
remember last year...we jumped out early...put up decent points on the board...then watched our defense let the game slip away.

DRAFT DEFENSE WITH #12.

We run a 3-4-4 defense...that "4" in the middle is the key cog in this scheme...without killer instinct ILB & OLB we are toast.

I still say draft McClain with #12 and then go for offense in the 3rd round...remember you need Playmakers on defense too.

What about this draft and trade scenario

1st Round - RB - CJ Spiller
2nd Round - draft best defense player available
3rd Round - trade pick with another later pick to Denver for Brandon Marshall.

The Dolphin offense will then be like the Saints. You don't need a great defense to win. The last Super Bowl proved that.

Hey Scotty Miller... get a life. This is a well written and interesting piece. Like all children who complain, you have options. Go outside and play... you're getting fussy. Adults have jobs and are required to produce, even when there's not much to work with in the way of hard news.

Id rather do that trade with another team. Just like the skins trade was a dumb and bad ideal(great deal for skins).We traded Welker because we would have had no choice on our teams if we didn't(poison pill).

I hope we draft FS,but even with a great
secondary the last thing we need is to go against moss/welker/bryant twice a year with brady tossing them the ball.

btw, we wont be drafting williams with the 12th pick nor will we draft a de to olb convert with that pick. We cant afford a bust and we need a playmaker to stop all the big plays we got burned on

A more interesting and possible trade is the Bears want a Safety. Maybe we get a butt-load of future picks from them.

Dez Bryant and Brandon Marshall are sure going to look good in Miami Dolphins uniforms this year! Ginn will be where he belongs, returning kicks and playing some slot and 4WR sets.

It would be much better if we could have both 43 and 44. Its always a nice luxury when you can pick players back to back.

Id do it, let them deal with Bryant. Its not like their passing game could get any better than it was 2 years ago...

22 would be a great pick for Aurelius Benn WR, where as 12 would be reaching for him. Then maybe Major Write FS at 43, Linval Joseph NT at 47

I'd go for that in a heartbeat. Anyone here who thinks Bill Parcells will pick up an offensive player in the first round of this draft will be very disappointed. So, with that said, why not trade down and get an extra 2nd-round pick and increase the potential new starters (especially since this draft class is pretty stocked)?

And Mike in Boston, I gonna assume you're either high or joking if you think Denver will trade Brandon Marshall for a 3rd-round pick (or lower). Stop dreaming!


Gholston, Glenn Dorsey, Tony Mandarich, Mike Mamula, Ryan Leaf, the list goes on and on...These players from past and present illustrate precisely the reason the Fins need to trade back with the Patriots or ANY team so they can gather more draft picks in rounds 2,3 and 4.

The mantra has been the same since drafting began, it's an inexact science! Add in "the chance your studmo draft pick can get injured" and the chance for long term success further dwindles with less picks.

The aforementioned players are the type of EARLY 1st round, CAN'T MISS TYPES that should be the calling card of gathering extra choices helping a team to increase the odds of hitting a good player.

There will be a VERY good player at 22 (Brandon Graham might be there although I think he will be gone) Mike Iupati, M. Pouncey, Dan Williams, maybe Earl Thomas even makes it that far.

The leverage and the abilty to grab an extra guy that may be a starter in the 2nd round would be gigantic. A Saftey like Morgan Burnett, a Pass rusher like Hughes, a WR like D. Thomas or A Benn, or a chunk yardage specialist like RB Jahvid Best. If you think all the NT types will get snapped up early you can now pounce on one.

The possiblities abound when you have more picks and your overall chance that you hit paydirt with a stud player or two goes up greatly if you have more bullets in your talent finding gun.

Cheers,

PS, I believe Taylor will end up playing elsewhere after watching Ireland speak

I really think Teddy Ginn gets traded to the Ravens. They need a burner and we need an extra pick for our defense.

I would be happy going into the season with Camarillo, Hartline, Bess, Grice Crispy Gullen, Bay Bay Thomas at WR

Put Patty White as PR/KR punching bag

Regards

i would love to get a playmaker on offense like dez or cj because we have no offensive threats. the FO makes mistakes drafting offense like patrick turner and pat white who almost never saw the field. pat white was a misguided attempt for a playmaker; then we proceded to handcuff him with our playcalling. i still think the pats faked an interest in white so we wasted a 2nd round pick for a 5th round player!

Could pick WR Demaryius Thomas at 22 before the Jets get him. I would like to see the Patriots have a bad draft. Trading up for the risky Bryant could start that new trend.

rob in OC, i felt the same way about listening to ireland speak about JT. he came across as agitated that he may have to answer the fans concerns/questions on JT's status. i hope he has more success on draft day than he does in speaking. IMO he is a pompous ass!

NO YOU DON't GET BETTER BY PICKING UP 3rd TIER PLAYERS.
YOU GET THE BEST. PICKING UP 1 EXTRA PICK DON't MAKE YOU BETTER.

THIS IS A DEEP CLASS BUT NOT MANY SUPERSTARS.

BRYANT
SPILLER
BERRY
McCAIN
KINDLE
THE 2 DTs
SUPER STARS HANDS DOWN

THE REST CAN RISE BUT YOU're NOT GOING TO GET ANYBODY WITH THOSE PICKS THAT WILL EQUAL DEZ.

THE BEST WIDE OUT TO COME OUT SINCE ANDRE JOHNSON

WOULD YOU TRADE LARRY FITZGERALD FOR CROWDER,BELL,GINN,SMILEY,LANGFORD and WAKE

I WOULDN't

WOULD YOU TRADE ANDRE JOHNSON FOR THEM

SOME PLAYERS ARE JUST THAT MUCH BETTER.

THOMAS,BENN,TATE ARE NICE BUT NOT GREAT.

YOU KNOW HOW YOU CAN TELL THAT HE IS GREAT FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT SAY HE's NOT.

HE PLAYED IN 3 GAMES AND EVERYBODY ELSE HAD A WHOLE YEAR TO KNOCK HIM OFF AND HE's STILL THE BEST.

I'm FOR PAUL PLAYING THE NOSE.
I DON't THINK HE DID THAT BAD FOR HIS FIRST TIME STARTING AT NOSE.

HE STARTED AGINST JAKSONVILLE JONES-DREW HAD 50 YARDS.

THE JETS GAME JT PICKED UP A FUMBLE FOR A TD.
PAUL CAUSED THAT FUMBLE.

SAME GAME HE MADE A GREAT PLAY SPLITTING THE DOUBLE TEAM FOR A TACKLE IN THE BACK FIELD.

WHEN SACHEZ WAS RUNNING FOR HIS LIFE AT THE END OF THE GAME PAUL WAS THE ONE WHO WAS CHASING HIM.

HE's 26 YEARS OLD.

YOU GET DEZ AND LET THE CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY.

TRADING BACK IS FOR SUCKERS.

BROWNS TRADED BACK TWICE GOT MANY 2nd ROUND PICKS AND WHERE DID THEY GO.

JETS TRADED UP TWICE ONLY HAD 3 or 4 PICKS AND WENT TO THE CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP.

QUALITY OVER QUANITY (SORRY NOT GOOD SPELLER)


The key to our draft are the words “chunk yardage” mentioned by Sparano more than a few times. Ireland also mentioned “special players” and “deep draft”. The only special players in the draft are Ndamukong Suh, Gerald Mc Coy, Eric Berry, Russell Okung, Bryant and Spiller. Everybody else falls under the category of deep draft. Suh, Mc Coy and Berry although priorities will be long gone by the time we draft; Okung is not a need having Long, so the first real “need” priority for the Dolphins will be Bryant because we lack a true # 1 receiver, but if he’s gone and Spiller is still on the board don’t be surprised if they take Spiller. And don’t put Spiller down just because we have Ronnie Brown. Spiller has game-breaking speed; he touched the ball 30 times during returns, 7 went for touchdowns; he also had 21 career rushing touchdowns of 50+ yards. That tells you he’s fast and evasive. Getting Spiller with our awesome offensive line will be I think what puts this team over the top. It would be like having “Cadillac Williams and Ronnie Brown” in the same backfield with Ricky Williams as backup. And remember that Parcells is from the “pound the ball” school. Then, because the draft is “deep” they think they can get a playmaker DT or OLB in the 2nd round and an S further down. By that time all the “special players” would be gone. They are also high on Clemons for safety but they have no depth there so they need to address that.

No, it's stupid.

Not with the Patriots.

Eric Berry or Earl Thomas, one should be there at #12(both can be game changing players on defense for a long time - no doubt). If you trade out of that slot, we miss out on both and give our division rivals the best receiver in the draft - he'll just be another Randy once Moss retires.

So instead of improving our receiving corps we grant the Pats a WR that will eventually take the place of Moss to continue killing us. Great idea.

Not smart at all.

Who will be there at #22 that's as valuable for us right away? Possibly OLB Graham - that's about it. You can get a Graham like OLB with the 43rd pick and a more valuable player such as Berry or Thomas at #12. Quality over Quantity.

So No, thanks.

"TRADING BACK IS FOR SUCKERS"

I hope Ireland has this phrase on his office wall.

Hey we had 3 picks last year in the first 2 rounds. Guess what we picked White. I'd rather not do the trade and keep bryant.

Bryant's going to suck at the next level- I smell another Ryan Leaf.

Jamillion, say it with me

Erik Berry or Earl Thomas or Bust

Sign up TO for 1 year

We must trade down and get more picks.
But it would be unwise to help the Pats solve their biggest problem.

new england would never trade up for bryant

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