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A mock draft of picks 1-13 by national media

For a few years now writers and columnists from the 32 NFL cities have been doing a live mock draft. The idea is to have folks with a solid finger on the pulse of their teams run through the exercise and see how the actual draft might go.

The first leg of that draft happened Sunday, as 13 selections were made. I made the selection for the Dolphins among the list of national media. (And I recognize you are now asking, 'Why did Salguero make the Miami pick if it's supposed to be done by someone with a good idea what the team will do?')

Folks, this isn't science. I made the pick for Miami, like it or not.

I am not predicting this will be Miami's pick.

The greater point is, judging from the picks made by folks ahead of the Dolphins, I would tell you the Dolphins will have quite a few talented players to pick from at No. 12 if the writers have any clue what their teams might do.

The exercise suggests that when Miami picks at No. 12 great talent will remain on the board for the Dolphins if they do not trade down. In this mock, Earl Thomas, Jimmy Clausen, Mike Iupati, Derrick Morgan, Dez Bryant, Sergio Kindle, and Dan Williams are all available to Miami at No. 12.

If that happens on draft day, I would tell you the Dolphins will try to bug out of No. 12. Clausen will have value to someone. Bryant may have value to someone. Thomas will have value to someone, as well as to Miami.

The Dolphins may be able to trade down and get back a second or third round pick. Of course, all this is speculation, an opportunity for you to disagree. It's a mock draft.

1: St. Louis Rams (By Jim Thomas, St. Louis Post Dispatch).

The skinny: After passing on Mark Sanchez and Matt Ryan in the past two years, the Rams won't pass on Sam Bradford this year. Only what GM Billy Devaney calls a "king's ransom" of picks and players in a trade down will keep St. Louis from taking Bradford. After three subpar seasons, two-time Pro Bowler Marc Bulger was released, leaving only A.J. Feeley, and small-school projects Keith Null, and Mike Reilly on the roster at QB. The pick: Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma.

2: Detroit Lions (By Mike O'Hara, longtime Lions beat writer for Detroit News).

The skinny: The Leos have ranked last in the NFL in yards allowed for three straight years, and the interior defense has been especially soft. Ndamukong Suh can give them more than a run-stuffing tackle. He can get pressure up the middle on the quarterback, and his presence will free up players such as Kyle Vanden Bosch and Cliff Avril to get single blocking to rush the passer. The pick: DT Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska.

3: Tampa Bay Buccaneers (By Ira Kaufman, Tampa Tribune).

The skinny: The Bucs finished last in rushing defense and their starting DTs were Ryan Sims and Chris Hovan. Enough said. It's hard to imagine the Bucs passing on either Suh or Gerald McCoy at No. 3. If both are gone, the Bucs will entertain offers to move down and perhaps land S Eric Berry. Other pressing needs are DE, WR, CB and G. Tampa Bay was strangely silent in the offseason for a 3-13 club, signing free agent S Sean Jones and trading for Eagles WR Reggie Brown. Second-year QB Josh Freeman desperately needs more weapons, but GM Mark Dominik and coach Raheem Morris are committed to rebuilding a once-proud defense and the D-line is in shambles. I believe they prefer Suh over McCoy, but they won't mind turning in a card with McCoy's name on it Thursday evening. The pick: DT Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma.

4: Washington Redskins (By David Elfin, longtime beat writer for the Washington Times).

The skinny: If there was any doubt that the Redskins would use the No. 4 on a LT to replace Chris Samuels (who had to retire because of spinal issues), that was erased when they traded for Donovan McNabb to replace incumbent Jason Campbell. After a 4-12 season, their worst since 1994, the Redskins have plenty of needs (see above) not to mention unhappy DT Albert Haynesworth and LB Rocky McIntosh, who skipped this weekend's "voluntary" minicamp, but they are bereft at LT beyond the marginal Stephon Heyer, who started at RT last season. Washington hopes that Okung can be a carbon copy of Samuels, who made six Pro Bowls in 10 seasons after being chosen second overall in the 2000 draft. The pick: OT Russell Okung, Oklahoma State.

5: Kansas City Chiefs (By Randy Covitz, Kansas City Star).

The skinny: I would be lying if I said I had any idea what Scott Pioli is thinking other than I know it's something completely different than the rest of us (see Tyson Jackson). While they don't have a safety to line up and play a game, I'm not buying into the Eric Berry hype. Just too high a pick for a safety when the Chiefs can grab one with one of their two second-rounders. Of course, some say they can get an OT in the second round. I really think Pioli wants to trade down, pick up extra picks, take a Rolando McClain or an Earl Thomas later in the first round or one of the second-tier OTs. Short of predicting trades, I've been giving them Iowa OT Bryan Bulaga with the fifth pick in most mock drafts, though if Suh falls there, they'd have to grab him. They can play Bulaga at RT or move Branden Albert from LT to RT and plug in Bulaga at LT. He's a safe pick and fits their profile. The Chiefs allowed 45 sacks last season. Trent Williams' inconsistency and work ethic does not fit what Piioli calls The Right 53. The pick: OT Bryan Bulaga, Iowa .

6: Seattle Seahawks (By Danny O'Neil, Seattle Times).

The skinny: General manager John Schneider is running his first draft, and in Green Bay he worked for a team that made a habit of trading down in the draft order to acquire more picks. Trading down will be a consideration at No. 14, but at No. 6, expect Seattle to take a left tackle. While Walter Jones has not officially retired, the Seahawks are planning as if he won't return. Seattle started four different players at left tackle last year, two of whom were not on the team's roster when training camp began (Brandon Frye and Damion McIntosh). Seattle held its first minicamp last week, which showed just how thin Seattle is along the offensive line. Both of the tackles on the second-string offensive line were tryout players. Seattle is high on safety Eric Berry, who played for Monte Kiffin last season at Tennessee. Kiffin remains a formative influence on new Seattle coach Pete Carroll, but the Seahawks' needs on offense are simply more urgent as Seattle hasn't chosen an offensive player in the first round since choosing center Chris Spencer in 2005. The pick: OT Trent Williams, Oklahoma.

7: Cleveland Browns (By Tony Grossi, Cleveland Plain Dealer). 

The skinny: Forget a trade up with Rams. Forget taking Jimmy Clausen. Mike Holmgren's statement to me about wishing he liked Clausen more was not a smokescreen; he was being candid. Could he have been won over by now? Possibly, but Holmgren realizes the team has many more urgent needs. He paid Jake Delhomme $7 million for 2010 and thinks the world of backup Seneca Wallace. Odds are down to 50-50 that Holmgren even picks a QB, perhaps using two 3s to move into 2d for McCoy. Otherwise, he might wait till 5th ... I seriously doubt they would trade up with Kansas City to take Eric Berry. I just don't think they like Berry enough to give up a 3 for him. Like everyone else, they like to move down. Potential move-down possibilities are Penn State DE Jared Odrick (they love him and they've got nothing but over-30s at DEs) and OG Mike Iupati. If they stay at No. 7 and Berry's there, I'd say Berry. If he's not there, they may consider Odrick that high, but my best guess would be Texas S Earl Thomas (if Berry's not there). CB Joe Haden was eliminated when they traded for Sheldon Brown. Dez Bryant or C.J. Spiller? I think Bryant scares them (post-Braylon Edwards). Spiller is a glorified Jerome Harrison, who they already have. Derrick Morgan or Jason Pierre-Paul? Neither are fits in the 3-4 and the Browns had more sacks (40) last year than 8 playoff teams, including God's gift to the NFL, the Jets. The pick: FS Eric Berry, Tennessee.

8: Oakland Raiders (By Nancy Gay, AOL Fanhouse)

The skinny: Al Davis is tempted – really tempted – to pick Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen here, since he is still on the board and even the owner seems to be losing patience with JaMarcus Russell. But can the Raiders afford another first-round quarterback mistake? No way. The team has four quarterbacks on the roster now (Russell, Bruce Gradkowski, Charlie Frye, Kyle Boller) but has no legitimate left tackle to protect any of them. He may consider Oklahoma OT Trent Williams here and is intrigued by the potential of USF. DE Jason Pierre-Paul, but Davis won’t be able to forget what one of the Combine’s celebrated workout stars. The pick: OT Bruce Campbell, Maryland.

9: Buffalo Bills (By Mark Gaughan, Buffalo News).

The skinny: The Bills' entire 2009 season was held hostage by the OT position. But the top three tackles are gone. Don't think they will reach for Anthony Davis here. I don't think they will go with Clausen even though you could make a good case for it. They're kind of stuck. Look for a surprise pick. They will go best player available. Possiblities include C.J. Spiller, Dan Williams and Rolando McClain. The pick: RB C.J. Spiller, Clemson.

10: Jacksonville Jaguars (By Vito Stellino, Florida Times-Union).

The skinny: What they want to do is trade down. They hope somebody will want to trade up for Clausen. They want more picks and don't think they'll get value at 10. Think they'll have to overpay. They would have liked one of the 3 OT tackles and could play Eban Britton at guard but they're gone. So is Spiller. Gene Smith is a best available guy. The pick: ILB Rolando McClain, Alabama.

11: Denver Broncos (By Jeff Legwold, Denver Post)

The skinny: If the Jags or anybody else indeed take McClain as this scenario had unfolded, they're going to be looking to get out and move down. They're looking wide receiver at the top of the second, though Josh McDaniels (some smokescreen) went on and on Friday about how Dez Bryant is not a bad guy. So that is a slight possibility here. However, they would love to move down a little, get a pick and take Florida center Maurkice Pouncey, who could start from the moment they draft him. So, that's who I would give them here with the caveat they would try to move down to do it. They do like Dan Williams as well as a guy to go in the rotation at the nose so he is a possibility as well. But Pouncey would be my pick with a move down to do it. The pick: C Markice Pouncey, Florida.

12: Miami Dolphins (By Mando, The Miami Herald).

The skinny: The Dolphins are in the market for extra picks. They want to recover the second-rounder they gave up for Brandon Marshall. Another reason they want to add picks is they currently have no proven starter at FS, SOLB, and LG. NT is also a problem because 36-year-old Jason Ferguson will serve an 8-game suspension for testing positive for performance enhancing drugs. He won't be availabe until November, meaning Miami has issues at NT as well. If Miami cannot get out of the pick and add a second- or third-rounder in the process, it will look to fill one of its top needs. Bill Parcells is still looking for his new Lawrence Taylor. After carefully considering Earl Thomas (who's visited twice and worked out) and Dan Williams (who has the measurables at NT), the Dolphins go with the pass-rusher. The pick: OLB Derrick Morgan, Georgia Tech.

13: San Francisco 49'ers (by Nancy Gay, AOL Fanhouse).

The skinny: Offensive tackle (LT Joe Staley is very solid but RT Adam Snyder struggles in pass protection and is really a backup thrust into a starting role); cornerback (LCB Walt Harris is recovering from ACL surgery, big-money free agent bust Nate Clements was replaced in the starting lineup last season by ’07 fifth-round pick Tarell Brown and talented Shawntae Spencer is better as a nickel CB); outside linebacker (Niners need a hybrid pass rushing LB/end who can excel in both fronts); nose tackle; wide receiver. The 49'ers are thrilled to grab the top-rated CB in the draft, who excels in press coverage and should have an easier transition to the NFL than most college cornerbacks. Coach Mike Singletary isn’t worried about the knocks on Haden’s speed; he’s more impressed with Haden’s physical play against top SEC receivers. The pick: CB Joe Haden, Florida.

OK, the countdown is on before someone comments that my pick is wrong. 3-2-1...

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TheSMF yeah I remember but that's not them move for Miami. They have too many holes much like back then lol. That's why as fans we haven't seen a Super Bowl. As a kid I was all about Marino throwing the ball all game but not I'd rather build a defense and run the rock.

Andy, I actually think Sims will fit in great with the Eagles and what they do. The issue is the same with him as Ronnie - injury bug (partly cause they both are run through a wall types, no fear guys).

I think Eagles just made a great trade!! Sims for a fifth!! Very nice!! The guy is a tackling machine and he will benefit greatly from getting out of Detroit and playing in a winning environment.

No idea what Denver is doing. McDaniels is dragging that organization into the ground. A fifth and a seventh for Scheffler.....YIKES!! Add TE to Denver's long list of needs. YIKES!!

Craig, this is the year to grab a quality TE late at least. But definitely still some house cleaning going on in Denver.

Esteban yeah you're right on Sims he is reckless no fear type but I personally don't like him. I live about 20 minutes from Philly and watch the Eagles a lot when I'm not watching Miami and yes he is a nice fit as an undersized fast weakside linebacker. I just think he leaves his teamates out to dry too much. He runs around a pulling guard to get the safety smashes so he can make a bask side tackle 10 yards later.

Esteban,

It's a mess!! Be thankful we're not Broncos fans. McDaniels is ruining that franchise and he's destined to NEVER be a Head Coach again when he's done. He's trying to be Belicheck and he's nothing more than a 35 year old punk!! Bowlen will rue the day that he ever let this guy take over the franchise. It's just a matter of time before KC and Oaklnad pass them, KC probably this year.

Andy NJ,

Morgan played DE in college. Not OLB. So right away he's got a huge learning curve. On top of that he's not an elite pass rusher. Maybe he'll get there one day, but he's not elite right now.

So Morgan has to learn a new position, and develop his pass rushing skills. That can take years.

Cameron Wake barely contributed last year, and he came into last year way ahead of where Morgan is right now. On top of that Wake is a much better pass rusher. Morgan would be lucky to be able to do as much this year as Wake did last year.

And I don't think the Fins have the luxury of using such a high pick on a player that has to develop tremendously in order to contribute this year.

Indiana Dolfan - Feel free to leave comments there. New post coming in a bit.

i agree that if morgan is there we will pick him

although i want earl thomas over him

but like ive been saying for months if the opportunity is there to trade down we should and we will

I know that the fins need some more talent on D. However, I would LOVE to see them draft D. Bryant @ 12. That addition would put fins in a great position. You don't win with just defense in this league any longer. It has become an offensive oriented league.
Primarily passing. Colts and saints D was 18 and 25 respectively last year I believe. Passing O was 1st and 4th or something like that.

Let's think outside the box for a sec. Is a rookie olb gonna have more impact than the unquestionable best receiver available? Think last years rookie of the year percy harvin. Just sayin.

I don't know if Wake came into last season ahead of Morgan at all. Wake LB poorly in college at Penn State and played DE very good in the CFL - a league where you don't have to play the run for the most part. So coming into last season as a one dimensional player isn't really ahead of Morgan who's solid against both the pass and the run.

Tommya,

Where do you get your information from? Morgan had 12.5 sacks last year! So, how do you figure Wake 'is a much better pass rusher'? There will be a bit of a learning curve moving from DE to LB for Morgan but I would hardly call it 'HUGE'. And if you know anything about Morgan he is regarded as being very good against the run, something that can't be said for Wake. So be careful what you are throwing out there.....your making yourself look silly!! What you are showing is your biases against Morgan, whcih really aren't relevant to this discussion.

So, just so I'm clear Tommya, you are saying you want Thomas for the pick? Where is your pass rush coming from this year? Don't say we're going to trade back, because that might not be possible. I want to know what you are proposing our pass rush to be this year because if we can't address it until the third round you boy Thomas had better be REALLY good because QB's are going to have ALL DAY to thrown on him.

So here's the deal.....regardless of what you and I think, Parcells and Company DO know linebackers, so if they like Morgan and he's there, he will be the pick!

With the smiley for scheffler rumor started in this blog earlier, I can say that would never happen. Scheffler was just traded to the lions in a three team trade.

Andrew,

What about all the WR busts that have existed through the year. Mike Williams of Detroit sound familiar? Rogers? Still not sold on Heyward-Bay. Was the guy in Tennessee a difference-maker last year?

Things didn't happen for New Orleans until they addressed the defence. They've been a good offensive team for years but until they brought in Greg Williams, added Darren Sharper and Jonathan Vilma, this was an 8-8 football team. This is not fantasy football. We have to stop somebody at some point, something we couldn't do versus Iny, NO and Houston last year.

I wish everyone would get off the Dez Bryant crap. He has never played a game in the NFL. What is wrong with Bess, Hartline and Camarillo. Now that we have a true #1 in Marshall the other receivers will be better. I will take the current WR's over any player who hasn't played in the NFL yet, not to mention one that has a past with issues like Bryant does. I do like Hartline as our #2 guy. He showed some promise as a rookie last year when we didn't have a true #1 receiver. We are not going to waste a high pick on Bryant when we have other holes in which we don't have a starter at a few positions(FS, OLB)!

Craig M,

I like Thomas at 12 for the Fins. I think solidifying the secondary for the next ten years with Smith, Davis, and Thomas would be nice. Plus, I think Thomas has just as much upside as Morgan, but can make a bigger impact this year.

As far as pass rush this year... I think bringing back Jason Taylor and starting Wake is the best option for the Fins this year. Draft an OLB in the third or fourth round to develop under Taylor for a year in order to be ready for 2011.

And if Thomas isn't there at 12 I'd do this:

Trade down, and pick up a second round pick for next years draft. There are guys like Jerry Hughes DE TCU that will be available later on in the first round.

So getting Jerry Hughes and a 2nd round pick for 2011 is better IMO than Derrick Morgan at 12.

I would go for an excellent starter at defense for pick 12 in the first round...just remember we don't need Dez....Golden Tate and others would be perfect in later rounds...don't sleep on Tate now, he is a real good WR...and Tate opposite I'd BM along with our slot guys would be virtually unstoppable. I say get a big D starter first and a quality #2 WR later in the draft...agree disagree?

First...alot of you are jumping the gun...Taylor isn't gone yet...and when you add the fact that Wake in only spare time acquired 5.5 sacks...I wouldn't call that shabby and add the fact that the Dolphins still can acquire another OLB in the 2nd or third round makes it seem a lesser need at this time. It's not like the Dolphins don't have linebackers on the roster already. Just because Morgan had a decent year playing in college playing on a 4-3 defense doesn't mean he can adjust to a 3-4...of course it doesn't mean he can't...but are you willing to use a top pick on a player that may or may not be successful at changing everything he was taught? The same issue goe to Williams...he has never played in a 3-4 defense and until his senior year...was a nobody...are you really going to use the 12th pick on him, when history tells you that Parcells has always found NT's in the later rounds.

Here's a link that shows Morgan may slip in the draft due to 3-4 d's being all the rage he's a 4-3 DE he better not be our pick at 12.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5112543

Draft options for the Fins:

http://dolphinscorner.blogspot.com/
http://dolphinscorner.blogspot.com/
http://dolphinscorner.blogspot.com/

Craig M,

While I agree that defense is important, I am merely stating that another explosive talent @ WR would be welcome. For every mike williams, there is a megatron @ detroit. For every charles johnson, there is a larry fitzgerald.

The draft is a crapshoot. There will always be busts. If you look @ the playoff teams from last year, most had explosive passing ofenses. And the ones that didn't went out and got more WR help. I.e. jets, ravens. These teams plus colts, saints, vikings, packers, pats all have two really good receiving options. Wouldn't hurt if fins follow suit.

Plus, vilma and sharper are veterans who made a difference, not mere rookies. Miami can get some serviceable help in later rounds on d. But if bryant is as advertised, he makes a HUGE difference

Esteban, good info buddy, thanks. By the way, I'm not far from UMd either (I live on Rhode Island Ave. in DC, right near the MD border).

Indiana, I agree with Dez, it ain't happenin'. Would be a silly pick if you ask me. There's more pressing needs now, plus we can get another WR who would be almost just as good. But I'm cool with Hartline, Camarillo and Bess too (with Marshall of course). We need to shore up that defense now, that's should be the priority.

Tommya,

Your dreaming if you think Davis, Smith and Thomas are our secondary for the next ten years. Most NFL careers last 3-5 years and there is no way Thomas will hold up for ten years at his size and the way he plays the game. So let's scrap that idea!!

YOur idea of bringing back JT and using Wake and bringing in a guy in the third is riddled with holes. JT is 36 years old and coming back from a bum shoulder. He's a shadow of his former self and has become horrible against the run. Wake is a big question mark and we don't know what we're getting from him and who are you going to get in the third that's ever going to be any good for us?

I'd rather address one of our biggest needs in the first (pass rush) and add a safety in the third or fourth round. Pass rush is more important to a team than safety and I think with my plan we'd be further ahead.

Indiana, which scares you more...Marshall and Hartline or Marshall and Bryant? I have nothing against Hartline...but please...it's like comparing grapes to watermellons...Bryant would make the Dolphins along with Marshall the scariest receiving tandem in football. Now with Marshall and Bryant you add Hartline as the third receiver...he gets to play against the third corner...and with Marshall and Bryant, who gets doubled? Every play one of them will have single coverage...every play teams will not be able to play 8 or 9 men in the box against the runners.

Fishypete, we don't have a SECOND round pick. Might be hard to draft an OLB without a pick in the second. Yes, we could trade for one but it's easier said than done.

Andrew, your wrong!!....for EVERY Larry Fitzgerald there are TEN Mike Williams. You just stated two WRs who have had success early. I can name you a bunch more who have failed. Does the name Ted Ginn Jr ring a bell? How about Yatil Green? I could go on but won't....

To add a WR in the first after we have just traded two seconds for a guy to be our number one and with many holes on defence would be irresponsible. I think you missed my point about NO. They were an average team until they realized the defence needed to be better. We'll be the same if we don't wake up and fix the defence.

fishypete - I just don't think much of players who have never plaeyd in the NFL being "great" before they even step on an NFL field. Look at some of the so called "great" receivers that Detroit drafted throughout the years. Besides Calvin Johnson none of them turned out to be that outstanding, but rather just the average WR. I think Bess, Hartline and Camarillo are good average receivers. No one can say that Bryant will become "great". Talent in college does not always equate to talent in the pros!!!!

Hartline is not to be underestimated. He showed he is tough enough, deceptively fast, has good hands, and will play special teams. Best of all, though is his intelligence and likliness to gett better, faster, stronger. That being said, in following with Parcells' 'draft in twos' I say there is a great chance we get Bryant if he falls, or at least draft another WR later. Remember, this regime is all avout winning later, not necessarily winning now. Thus, I also would assign a high probability to drafting Iupati. This draft can't be all defense. Iupati is eeally the best value at 12, not Bryant, Morgan, Kindle, Williams, or Thomas, however I would say there is room for argument for Thomas at 12. In sum, Bryant, Iupati, and Thomas should be top 3 considerations, because if the season were to start tomorrow, those positions would be the biggest red flags to other teams as our weaknesses.

MY MIAMI DOLPHIN MOCK DRAFT.....

1ST. 12THPK.- S Earl Thomas or S Eric Berry if he falls, if neither are there Sergio Kindle olb

3rd. 73rdpk.- Cam Thomas NT
4th round- micah johnson olb/ilb
5th.- TE DENNIS PITA OR TE Jimmy Graham
6th. linebacker
6th. o-line
6th.LINEBACKER
7TH.?
7TH?

Craig M,

I'm not knocking Morgan. I just think the number 12 pick should be used on a player that will without a doubt be a key contributor this year. If the Fins can't get that with the pick then they should trade down.

You think Morgan is a sure thing at OLB and that he'll be the starter this year and will put up big time numbers. I don't agree.

Morgan reminds me of Anthony Spencer. So the Fins might agree with you and draft a guy that is very similar to people they've drafted in the past.

willi chrino nobody said anything about your mother tongue, but you sound like a mother fer

Indiana...who said great? 1500 yds receiving is nothing to sneeze about...compare that to any receiver including Crabtree and Johnson you'll find it's equal or better. The point was do you fear a tandem of Marshall and Bryant or Marshall and Hartline...I believe any person being honest would take the first two. I don't know about you, but I'm tired of average receivers...average receivers should play as thrid or fourth receivers...bot first or second.

Wakes going to be the guy that gets turned loose in Nolan's 3-4 style D. It's the perfect fit for the guy.
He got juked by a punter on a fake. Big deal, I bet that after the embarrassment subsided, he did some refreshers on basic mechanics.
Not only is Wake a great pass rusher and workout warrior, he studies all the time. The guy didn't even have a TV in his apartment because it was a distraction.
That's dedication and that's why were not picking Morgan.
This ain't Pasqually's D anymore. Wake is going to be a beast in Nolan's D this year.

fishypete, andrew and others,

I get your logic... If Brandon Marshall is one Ferrari... why not draft Dez Bryant and get two to crush the league offensively?

In a perfect world it could work... but this the stark reality of the NFL. I am not saying that to demean or belittle your opinions either.

The fact is that Brandon Marshall and Dez Bryant are high strung stallion/diva type receivers. Those personality types don't just sit tight when they are not getting enough balls thrown their way. Especially if it happens to be a loss. Many Stud WR's feel like "that is exactly why we lost cause they didn't throw it to me enough, I'm open 24/7". T.O., 85, Steve Smith are all in that same category. I believe it helps them get into that I'm unstoppable mindset.

Being a run based team as the Fins are, there simply would not be enough receptions to go around if Dez was added to the mix.

Also in moving to get Marshall I think the Trifecta simply deemed Marshall a much more articulate, intelligent WR that has already done it in the NFL. Dez has killer talent no doubt but, it's the off the field stuff and cleaning up a guy that was really dealt a raw hand that would take time to fix. Not to mention the touches for the rest of the offense.

Just my two cents.

Cheers,

Best post goes to cavemomma about Home ( who got busted as the Fake NJ on here ). The 2nd best post is indiana asking if it's thursday yet.

I actually like you pick Armando
No reason to apologize
We need LBs

I guess KC is the wildcard here
If te go oline instead of berry, then berry falls to te browns and earl Thomas will fall to us. If that happens we can trade down an still get our linebacker

Miami got turned off by the bryant interviews hence the 180 turnaround on marshall and then the trade . Bryant won' t be the pick but would be a great bargaining chip in a trade down for some team that wants bryant. That's why i'm rooting for bryant to still be on the board.

Rob;

You mean the Dolphins were a run first team. If the Dolphins either trade this year or next R. Brown, lose R. Williams...then it appears that the team has grown up to be more of a equal offense. Let me remind you that the Cards had Fitzgerald and Bolden and that combo worked well...even thou Bolden didn't like the idea of being paid far less than a rookie receiver. There's more to receiver than just catching...there's blocking, can you imagine how the blocking would be with both Marshall and Bryant. I for one don't buy the hype that Bryant is a problem child...in fact I like receivers that want the ball...and I believe BOTH Marshall and Bryant would help each other in the long run. I also remeber that Shulas was accused a few times of spreading rumors of players...so they could drop in the draft...I wouldn't put it past Parcells for hyping Bryant.

I'm not sure if anyone saw this yet;

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/379787-detroit-lions-seriously-considering-ronnie-brown

According to multiple media sources, the Detroit Lions are actively talking to Miami about a trade for running back Ronnie Brown.

I can confirm that news tonight.

I just talked to a good source of mine, and according to them Detroit is talking very seriously about trying to put together a deal that would land them the Dolphins starting running back.

Whta about it Armando...if they are talking serious...how come you don't have any info?
Where is R. Brown now...do you know?

Criag M,

I agree with you that it is difficult to trade back I definitely would not discount it as an option to gather back a missing pick.

BP has lots of contacts and knows how to swing deals. Hell, maybe Jerry Jones even listens more to trade chat in an effort to make ammends for his lame comments about Parcells? It simply depends on the compensation and if the Fins have anyone they really think is the goods at #12.

For the record I don't see Morgan as being a special player. I just don't see the explosion and he is a little robotic. I think he will end up being a player that is average but does not live up to where he was drafted...much like Ginn.

Morgan had only a .72 sacks per game average throughout his career. Morgan had 28 TFL's over the last 2 yrs, which is well behind a couple other players.

By comparison OLB Jerry Hughes had a ratio of 1.01 sacks per game and had 8 more TFL's than Morgan with one less game. Hughes had 36 TFLs over the last two years.

This is the type of production that makes a trade back VERY attractive imo.

For comparisons sake:

OLB Sergio Kindle had only a .57 sack per game average with 34.5 TFL's last 2 yrs.

OLB/DE Brandon Graham had .89 sacks per game and a whopping 46 TFL's last 2 yrs.

JPP played in 13 games and started only 7. He only has a .05 sack per game avg if you average 13 gms played. If you just average his starts it jumps to .92 sacks per game. 16.5 TFLs in his lone year at USF.

If I were guessing I would say the Trifecta would prefer to have Kindle over Morgan.

Cheers,

How about Hughes Rob?

Yup . kindle had a whopping 57 plays behind the line of scrimmage and not all of them were sacks making his run play very underatted. Hughes would be my target in a trade down to the 20's.

fishypete,

Let me remind you this is Parcells we are talking about. He will figure out ways to replace flat tires (RBs that are broken, too old, not cutting it) and stay at least a run first type team. He is NOT going to start drafting a bunch of wideouts on purpose so he can go out and completely change his M.O.

What worked for the Cards won't always work here and Kurt Warner was that driving force...lets see how pass happy the Cards are with Linehart.

NJ PHIN and I don't always agree but he stated some of my same thoughts perfectly at 1:55 on the post above yours.

I simply would be flabbergasted if Dez became a Fin... and I ain't gettin that! ;)

Cheers,

fishypete,

I think Hughes would be a VERY solid selction in the late 1st. It would seem a trade back would be the best Value but as Craig stated those aren't always easy to pull off.

It would seem due to predraft rankings that he would not be drafted at #12 as that would be too high but, as with Marshall being a Dolphin, anything can happen if they like him enough I suppose.

Cheers,

Excuse me...Miami got turned off...did it take two days to get turned off? LOL

Sorry...I don't buy it. There's plenty of reason to change Rob...the Dolphins have two running backs coming off injuries, one short of retirement...and the best for last...you now have a QB that they believe can get the job done. Do I believe the Dolphins would select Bryant at 12...no...but if they trade back to lets say 24...you betcha they would. You can acquire NT, OLB and FS in later rounds but you can't get the best receiver past 24 IMHO.

Can people stop talking about Taylor Mays. He isn't going to be a dolphin. He is over rated and can't cover. Reminds me of a guy named Gibril Wilson. Ya, remember him? We already have a hard hitting safety in Yeremiah Bell, we dont need two. Just forget about it. We should take Earl Thomas if we don't trade down - a safety who CAN cover.

Packers, Eagles have expressed interest in trading up to 10-12 range. But it could depend on how board falls. Good prospects everywhere

ESPN Stats & Information researcher Matt Lyon, with help from ProFootballFocus.com play-by-play data, produced some numbers that show Cromartie has had trouble containing Marshall the past two years.

LOL...Well Cromartie guess who's coming home for dinner.

Taylor Mays is the classic "workout warrior" type. With strong coaching he could be Ronnie Lott, but he could also disappoint forever. Leave him for the raiders. Trust Parcells on this one - if he takes him he sees something, if he doesn't - he's probably not worth it.

I still say it is funny how anyone could ever be on the Hughes bandwagon that disliked BG for physical reasons.

Hughes is literally the same height and same reach as Brandon Graham. A half an inch in height and reach is all the difference. Hughes is a svelte 255lbs and BG weighs in a thick 268lbs!

I like both players a lot but, then again I never argued that and inch or two can stop a guy from making plays.

Just saying.

Cheers,

Actually I agree with you Rob...but does Parcells? Sapp seems like a player that would fit the type more...as long as his knee's aren't a problem.

all it takes is a one hour interview nevermind 2 days to get turned off on a player. LOL ! all indications is that 's what happened. williams just hired drew roesnhouse as his agent and has said he wants to play beyond tis year, If brown get traded , they'll just get another RB to go along with williams and hilliard. The tuna has a been a run first man for ages and is NEVER going to a wide open throwing offensive team. LMFAO !!!

Well lets see the tuna isn't coaching the team, the Dolphins have selected or traded for at least two receivers in the last two years and while many believe the Dolphins run more, the facts are they are appx even in the run to pass totals. 545/509. SO Laugh...aren't you the guy that said the Dolphins will NEVER trade for Marshall...LOL

NJ PHIN,

I am not sure where you get 57 plays made behind the line of scrimmage for Kindle?

Those numbers are way off.

These next stats are all the plays made behind the line of scrimmage, stats website follows to look it up yourself and confirm.

Here are the big 4 OLB types being considered and their actual numbers over the last 3 years:

Tackles for Loss / with Sacks inc
Brandon Graham......54.5.............82.5.....

Jerry Hughes........39.5.............67.......

Sergio Kindle.......32.5.............49.......

Derrick Morgan......29.5.............49.......


To me it's fairly obvious which player has the CONSTANT, RELENTLESS MOTOR and CAMPS OUT IN THE OPPOSING TEAMS BACKFIELD!

BG is my 1st choice bar none and Jerry Hughes would be my second in a trade back.

Don't just take my word for it here is the stats website:

http://www.cfbstats.com/2009/player/703/1003760/sack/split.html

Great site, simple and easy to use to look up all kinds of stats on players.

Cheers,

According to sources throughout the league, the St. Louis Rams (owners of the first pick), Seattle Seahawks (6, 14) Cleveland Browns (7), Denver Broncos (11), Miami Dolphins (12), New England Patriots (22), Philadelphia Eagles (24) and Dallas Cowboys (27) are all actively exploring trade opportunities

fishypete,

I am with you on the who knows exactly what Bill P is thinking?

He has some track record with big people but Pat White was small. Then you think you have him pegged on the zero tolerance for thugs, druggies, diva types and he pulls the trigger on resigning Fergie. Signs Incognito and signs Marshall...all are at least partially in those categories.

Head scratchers abound. I simply am trying to scope out VERY talented players I believe would help our Fins get over the top.

I can't really expect my thoughts and draft hopes to align perfectly with the Trifectas board. I just play armchair GM to the best of my own abilities like all others on this blog. I throw my hat in the ring on certain players and let the chips fall where they may.

I have heard Sapp mentioned as a possibility later on. The medical stuff has to check out of course.

I say they take a pass rushing OLB type with their 1st pick and then maybe again 5 round on.

With their 3rd round choice (as it stands now) they should grab a safety to compete. I am hoping Morgan Burnett is available there. Maybe Major Wright or Stuckey.

4rth would be a NT type Weston or Owens.

If they can get another 2nd back that would be killer but we shall see...

Cheers,

Rob, we are all arm chair experts...some use common sense some use their hearts...we are all wrong and all right. I don't believe that Parcells would have traded for Marshall if he didn't already have a good idea that he could trade back and acquire another second round pick. I believe there's now reported at least four teams looking to trade up, Eagles, Packers, Cowboys are three I know of. I guess it all depends how the board falls. If the Dolphins trade back and IF they trade R.Brown, you can bet they will have the ammo to acquire their needs and plus more.

This is how I see it if they trade back to say 24,

24- Hughes, Bryant or Pouncey

55- L. Houston

73- R. Sapp

110- Akwasi Owusu-Ansah

Of course we don't know IF R. Brown will be traded or not, if so...one could add in a draft pick.

Fishypete, you didn't think marshall would be traded to the dolphins either. Sure you wanted it to happen but you said you didn't think it would happen too. I'm tired of that Crap. Nobdy thought it would happen. i thought it wouldn't happen based on the 1st and 3 round asking price and tender, When the asking price went down and the turnoff of bryant changed things, By the way it the tuna's run first philosophy on the team that runs down the organazation through ireland to coach sparano. This OL is built for that run first mentality.

Rob , the 57 plays behind the line of scrimmage are reported on all the scouting reports on kindle . Could they include broken up passes on screens or fumbles caused or recoverd ?? Maybe,

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