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Jets acquire Santonio Holmes: The fallout

This thing with the Jets adding players almost every week is starting to get a little irritating.

Rex Ryan's team is limited by the "Final Four Rule" that says they cannot add a free agent unless they lose a free agent and cannot pay that player more than the player they lost gets from his new team. And despite this limitation the Jets have added LaDanian Tomlinson, Antonio Cromartie and on Sunday night Santonio Holmes.

Cromartie and Holmes both came via trade, with Holmes being added for a modest fifth-round selection.

There is little doubt Holmes brings trouble with him. It is no secret league-wide that he will be suspended for four games in 2010 for violating the league's substance abuse policy. He also has some legal issues to clear up in connection with him allegedly throwing a glass at a women at an Orlando club.

But have you heard? He was also the Super Bowl MVP in 2008-09, and caught 79 passes for 1,248 yards with five TDs in 2009. When he's playing football, he's pretty darn good.

Obviously, the Dolphins must have been aware of Holmes being available and didn't pull the trigger. No, they don't have a fifth-round pick this year anyway, but they have three sixth-rounders and they have their fifth for next year. Obviously, it could be argued the Dolphins shy away from troubled players that are about to be suspended and this was no exception.

But the fact of the matter is Holmes will be suspended for four fewer games than the league suspension Miami's Jason Ferguson will serve for violating the league's performance enhancing drug policy. And the Dolphins re-signed Ferguson this year, knowing he was going to serve the 8-game term.

So what gives with the double standard?

A fifth-round pick is nothing. Statistics prove players selected in that round rarely factor much in the NFL and rarely play more than three years. (Spare me the Zach Thomas reminders. That was almost a generation ago.)

Miami's fifth rounders the past decade were John Nalbone and Chris Clemons in 2009, none in 2008, none in 2007, Manny Wright (supplemental) in 2006, Anthony Alabi in 2005, Tony Bua in 2004, J.R. Tolver in 2003, Omar Lowe and Sam Simmons in 2002, Shawn Draper in 2001 and Arturo Freeman in 2000. In other words, Nalbone and Clemons have to be golden for Miami to show anything for a decade of fifth round picks.

So if the Jets lose on this gamble for Holmes, what have they really lost? A fifth-round selection that probably wasn't long for the league anyway? It's a good gamble for them. And for others, I suspect.

There are interesting side notes to this trade that affect Miami:

The Steelers are now in the market for a wide receiver and their need probably extends early in the draft. They have the 18th overall selection in round one, and that could mean one fewer WR will be available to Miami when the Dolphins pick in round two. The Steelers also have the 20th pick in round two (52nd overall), meaning one less WR might be available to Miami in the third round.

In other words, Pittsburgh now-obvious need for a wide receiver could decrease the Dolphins' choices by one player after Miami's first pick.

Another interesting side note to this is whether the news of the Jets acquiring a weapon that could help their playoff cause would sway Jason Taylor with his pending decision about going to the New Yorkers or not.

Finally, the hope here is that Bill Parcells and Jeff Ireland wake from their wide receiver slumber and realize it is a passing league. They need to find a star wide receiver, maybe even two, in this draft. Dez Bryant, Golden Tate and Demaryious Thomas are good places to start.

I hope they've done their homework and are ready to go hard after a receiver.

Everyone else is.

[Update: Holmes is flying to New York for a physical today. Am I the only one that is rooting he fails the physical because they find drugs in his system?]

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Armando, do you know what the Dolphins are paying both Ginn and J. Allen a season? Would you say it's close to 10 mil combined.

You see the jets take risks and problem wr like braylen and santonio--i understand the picks and players they gave up wernt as significant as marshall compensation---however they arent at the level of marshal either---

Would i give up #12 NOOOOO--

bUT IF ITS A TRADE FOR THIS YEAR SECOND--AND A FUTURE 3OR 4TH---u have to take the chance---u still have 1, 3, and 4th to go defense in draft--and the offense would be set---

Armando what do you think of thi compensation for marshalll???????

on draft day do ur sources call u before the pick is made or do u wait like the rest of us that is a really good question i just thought of please answer it!


the NFL is set to officially announce New York Jets WR Santonio Holmes' suspension Monday, April 12. Holmes' suspension is not due to the NFL's anabolic steroid policy, but rather a violation of the league's drug restrictions, according to sources.

Robert, I wait just like everyone else.

Parcells did draft Terry Glenn in the 1st rd 7th overall. For some to say he will never draft a WR in the 1st rd is speculating. It is possible don't you think? Is this the type of big surprise we might see that Jeff Ireland was talking about come draft day?

Is the session a parody to Ask Mike?

Marcus, people change. Look at Ricky Williams. He was worse with the weed than Holmes in that he tested positive more often. And he changed.

Guys here's the scouting report on Joique Bell:

http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=423695&PT=7&PR=2&type=scouting#scouting

Here's a highlight footage:

http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=423695&PT=7&PR=2&type=scouting#scouting

What's incredible is this guy had back to back 2000 yd plus rushing seasons and is only projected as a 5th rounder. IMO, he is the answer to Ronnie Brown.

Mando -

If you guarantee Dez will never be Andre Johnson, why invest in him? I know you don't like Marshall because the cost - but doesn't the productivity out way the cost - especially in an uncapped year????

I guess I'm big on getting what you pay for... don't buy a Nissan 350z and expect it to perform like a Lamborghini.

ok cool just wondering had a blast on this conversation keep us informed on twitter man ur the best! n tell jeff darlington that he is a wierd dude!who wins in a race u or jeff?

Dear Mr. Salguero

"Let me ask you a question: Was that you ripping me about my Jason Taylor column on another website last week?"

I would never cheat on you with another web site.


Enternaly yours

Soiled :)

Image, does the productivity outweigh the cost for Denver on Marshall? They know Marshall better than anyone and they want to get rid of him. So they obviously know something that says his productivity does not outweigh all the other factors.

marshall is a women beater n he is one strike way away no pun intended from being suspended get with the program his blog has said it all!!

I really really really hope the Dolphins can trade down in the first to about 20. Houston might want Spiller or Cincy could want Dez. That way with the extra second we can draft a wide receiver with that pick. And it will hopefully shut up all the people who are crying that the sky is falling ...we`ve no recievers.Ginn may improve,Hartline is really underrated by almost everyone here. Bess works his tail off and gets first downs,Cammarillo the same. And who knows maybe Turnerr could pan out.
This team still has no starting Free Safety, little if any Outside Linebackers,and question marks at Nose Tackle and you`re all crying about wide receiver????
This is the draft for defence and next year is the draft for playmakers. 10-6 is a distinct possibitlity this year with a young Defense and next maybe even a Superbowl run is possible.The team is being built properly so let The Trifecta do their jobs!!!

Just in on ESPN:

Georgia will not go forward on Roslieberger charges.

Allen, the trade for Marshall is only part of the issue.
You have to trade for him = cost.
You have to give him $9-$10 million per year = cost.
You have to risk that he'll be a good citizen = cost.

All those look to be too high for the Dolphins to pull the trigger right now.

Arent all trades, based on teams dumping one guy.. I doubt there a many trades, where the team really didnt want to dump the guy but the compensation was SO LARGE they couldn't say no.

Parcells was forced to take Terry Glenn and that's the reason he left, that wasn't HIS choice

mando, I wouldnt get all worried about all these transactions the Jets are doing, I can Remember a while back when Don Shula was the coach and they went out and signed all these former pro bowl players it was was when Steve Etman was a great player, and after halfing all those players miami was supposed to win the Super bowl that year and they didnt even get into the playoffs, because there team chemisrty was terrible, so i wouldnt worry about they still have to play the game.

Mando, that's fine. You are right people can change. But do you fault the Trifecta for not wanting to trade a draft pick for him? Do you even know if they were not interested? Or maybe they were waiting for him to get cut... They would not pay the price of a 4th to beat out the Jets. Do you know?

Thank you Soiled!

yea dez is going to be the pick ill bet u mando if i win i get to see one of ur sources names u can DM me on twitter n if u win u have to follow me on twitter! so its a win win for me and the dolphins! haha

Mando -

you know better than anyone else posting on the site... I just prefer proven talent to the unknown when it comes to WR. I actually think drafting Earl Thomas would be the best bet for Miami at #12 if available.

I also read everyone of your articles and know you (and everyone else) are big at picking up a WR. To me this draft has no Brandon Marshall, Randy Moss, Andre Johnson or Fitzgerald. Do you think it's possible for Miami to fill that void this draft since you already know Dez, the best WR in the draft, is not going to be that guy?

What will Godell do with this Case?
The always come down with the hammer when its a Black dude.

mando two scenarios dolphisn trade for marshall what would u write about the day after? or the dolphins draft dez what do you write the day after? no other scenarios possible!

Standley, the Patriots drafted Terry Glenn against Parcells' will. He wanted a LB.

And when that season was finished, Parcells quit and said he wanted to go somewhere he could shop for the groceries as well cook the meal.

By the way, Parcells also did not draft Keyshawn Johnson.

jets are paying santonio 755K for this year. we are giving dansby 40+ MILLION for 5-6yrs. i dont believe dansby has ever made the pro bowl. just say'n; spend our $ wisely?

Let's take a guy like Brandon Marshall, who has alcohol, women and anger issues and put him in South Beach!!! Woo hoo!!! That's like putting a compulsive gambler in rehab in a Las Vegas Casino...guy is one incident away from a looong suspension...NO THKS

but he likes key n he signed him in dallas n key wants miami to draft dez a report on si.com by don banks haha!

PARCELLS !!

DO SOMETHING !!

1) Sign Sharper
2) Draft Dez in 1st OR Trade down with Dallas, get their 2nd round pick and trade the 27th pick (Dallas) and get Brandon Marshall.
3) Draft Jerry Hughes with OUR 2nd rounder
4) Draft Best available athlete with your second (Dallas') 2nd rounder.
Does that sound do-able ??

This is a joke right ? Comparing Holmes to Ferusons ? Try reading up on your lost butt buddy Holes and what he's done. Since you and your lemming followers have been in tears over Miami having bad guys Ronnie Brown and Ferguson on the team.

Miami Herald, please get a real reporter or continue to watch your sales plunge into the toilet !!!

Image, all I know is that Brandon Marshall was a third or second round pick once upon a time. Perhaps there is a player in the second or third round that is the next Brandon Marshall without the baggage ...

As for Dez Bryant, all I know about him for sure is that he isn't as good as Andre Johnson. I didn't say he would not be good. But he won't be as good as AJ.

Seems like we are standing still and raising ticket prices but our rivals are getting better. The Jets have holes and are making moves to fill them, while still keeping high draft picks. As much as I hate the JETS, i have to take my hats off to them, there at least trying to make there team better.

As for us, we keep talking about pending free agents in 2011, draft 2010, trading our best players and drafting boy scouts... At this point in time, seems like we are playing for the top pick in the 2011 draft then for the playoffs.

Armando what is going on with Justin Smiley? Also, PFW broke news Thigpen is on the trade block what is the deal with the Thigpen?

Armando,

What is the one guy that will make you pull your hair out if the Dolphins take him at #12????

For me its Pierre Paul or Iupati

Silent Majority, you are obviously neither.

You also don't know anything.

hey the other robert change ur name i was here 1st jk

Mando - thank you for the responses... it's definitely helping past time at work today!

swedish, you're wrong, PERIOD!

Didn't the reigning superbowl winners TRADE or SIGN Brees AND Shockey AND Vilma AND Ellis, and Sharper?

ALL GOOD TEAMS MAKE MOVES!

Posted by: Marc | April 12, 2010 at 12:15 PM


Bad teams make moves too... in fact, we've made some moves... and I hope they are the right moves... but saying winners make moves ignores the stuff that the Redskins have done for a decade.

screw u silent guy apparently u read the herald or else u wuld not be here u r a dumb!@$$%!@#

Carlito, I will pull my hair out if the Dolphins draft Tim Tebow. I love him as a player and what he represents as a person.

But he MUST NOT be the pick for Miami.

Armando, I guess you dont have anything on Joique Bell huh?

Robert, I haven't seen PFT about Thigpen but I wrote over a month ago that the Bills were asking about him.

Armando, are we good, or do we beef?

wow big ben gave the victim alcohol, his body gaurd escorted her to the bathroom n then big ben went into the womens bathroom with the body gaurd standing outsode tht guy should be suspended and he is a freak tht probably gave her a roofie! he cnt get l5435273 regularlly

Mando - Thigpen for Whitner and a 5th rounder??? that a possibility?

whitner sucks!!!

Of course Thigpen is on the block, we won't carry 4 QBs into the season and he is the only guy with value besides Henne

Whitner is better than anything the Fins got now..

Where's ur Mock Draft Mando?? U said ur going to do one...at least tell us who you believe our 12 pick is

Holmes Trade Isn't Good News For Braylon Edwards

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 12, 2010 10:47 AM ET

For the Jets, the acquisition of Santonio Holmes was a low-risk, high-reward move.

For Braylon Edwards, the move could be costly.

Edwards, like Holmes, is heading into a contract year. Adding Holmes will further divide up a relatively limited passing game pie, no matter how much Mark Sanchez improves.

More damning for Edwards is that Holmes is a similar player, but better. Sure, Edwards is more physical. But ultimately they are both vertical threats fighting for similar passes. Holmes has better hands and makes more plays after the catch.

Throw in Jerricho Cotchery and Dustin Keller to catch passes over the middle, and it's hard to see Edwards breaking 1,000 yards in 2010 for the second time in his career. 800 might be lucky.

There is also the matter of a possible long-term extension. The Jets can likely only afford to keep Holmes or Edwards. We think Holmes is the superior player, and now the Jets could play the two against each other for leverage.

Add it all up, and the chances of Edwards' modeling opportunities in NYC lasting past 2010 decreased last night.

Waterboy, we cool. I have no problem with anybody ripping me. You guys have a right to your opinion. I have a right to mine.

There's nothing wrong with disagreeing.

Now, if only we could get the Tuna do a presser, all would be lovely.

Armando...
Why are you so down on Dez ? And all the off the field things aside, Brandon Marshall is the 2nd best receiver in the NFL behind only Andre Johnso. Pay him his well desreved $$$ and watch him perform for you and be a stand up citizen. Above all, the guy is a GREAT Wide Receiver and.... we need one of those! Oh and, yeah, there might another Brondon Marshall somewhere in this draft, or there might not be. And even if there was one, and we were the lucky team to draft him, it would take 2-3 years for him to develop. I love your blog, read it daily, but at times I just dont get your thinking ? WE NEED A STUD WR ! And a Safety, Sign Sharper and trade for Marshall or draft Dez!

Jamillion and I pondered the idea of Thigpen to the Bills for Whitner.. I would pull the trigger.

Holmes is not a super star in this league. He played in a good system with a good qb and other good receivers. He isn't a game changer.

LT is washed up.

Cromartie is their best acquisition. He is solid.

Jason Taylor is solid but past his prime. I would love for Dolphins to resign him.


JETS= REDSKINS

Dying, Bell is a solid 4-yard a pop guy. Good size, OK speed. Big playmaker? No. Solid? Yes.

His approach is that of a pro also, from what one scout just texted me.

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 12, 2010 10:47 AM ET
For the Jets, the acquisition of Santonio Holmes was a low-risk, high-reward move.

For Braylon Edwards, the move could be costly.

Edwards, like Holmes, is heading into a contract year. Adding Holmes will further divide up a relatively limited passing game pie, no matter how much Mark Sanchez improves.

More damning for Edwards is that Holmes is a similar player, but better. Sure, Edwards is more physical. But ultimately they are both vertical threats fighting for similar passes. Holmes has better hands and makes more plays after the catch.

Throw in Jerricho Cotchery and Dustin Keller to catch passes over the middle, and it's hard to see Edwards breaking 1,000 yards in 2010 for the second time in his career. 800 might be lucky.

There is also the matter of a possible long-term extension. The Jets can likely only afford to keep Holmes or Edwards. We think Holmes is the superior player, and now the Jets could play the two against each other for leverage.

Add it all up, and the chances of Edwards' modeling opportunities in NYC lasting past 2010 decreased last night.

Truth is I never heard of Bell before your question. So I texted my source and asked and had to wait to get an answer. OK, dyingbreed?

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