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On Smiley, physicals and 7th-round picks

It's late May. The NFL is starved for news. And so I'm writing about a Justin Smiley trade, a conditional seventh-round pick, and a physical slated for Tuesday morning.

I need a minicamp really quickly.

Anyway, if Smiley passes his physical today, the Dolphins will garner from the Jacksonville Jaguars one whole, exciting seventh round pick in the 2011 draft.

If Smiley does not somehow pass his physical, the Dolphins will strongly consider simply releasing him before the start of Friday's minicamp.

Bet on Smiley passing because, well, teams have wide latitude on what constitutes a passing and failing physical outside of a positive drug test. Consider that Brandon Marshall passed a Miami physical recently ... and then required hip surgery.

Consider that Daunte Culpepper once upon a time passed a Miami physical after being traded from Minnesota and his surgically repaired knee was nowhere near 100 percent. Or 80 percent.

So if the Jags want Smiley, they will get Smiley because the physical is something they can pretty much grade on a curve if they wish.

Yippie, Dolphins will get a seventh-round pick!

Bring on the minicamp.

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Armando - Thanks (finally) for your help.

Patrick Crayton will not be a Miami Dolphin, IMO. Only 6 or 7 players are over the age of 30, and a few of those are simply for leadership purposes. A term that has come into Dolphins fans lingo since the Trifecta arrived is progress stopper. Crayton would be that, if the sole purpose you are bringing him in is for return value, no upside, then it should be an emphatic NO!!!

Bootang,

As usual, nice post.

Somebody earlier posted that Armando was being sarcastic in the above article.

Was that your take?

What do you think of how the Smiley issue has been dealt with?

Bootang,

Well put. There is nothing more to really add to that except...

How do you plan to fix that Mr. Saluguero?

Bootang25 agree 100%

No to Crayton
Yes to Hartline, Bess, Camarillo, Marshall, Some PS dude

Trifecta Lingo

"Progress Stopper"
"The right 53"
"Not at this time"
"Acorn"

Trifecta Gestures

"Fist Pump"
"Bear Hugs"
"Butt slap with laminated play call card"
"Gas tank at locker"

Any others?

Regards

Kris, last year I asked Turner what the team told him he needed to do to get on the field and he said something like "just keep working," which didn't help me one bit to understand what he's needs to do.

Coach Tony Sparano said he wanted to see Turner, a 6-5, 230 pound guy, play like a man his size. That suggests the staff doesn't see him as being physical enough.

The fact is during training camp last year, when I watched, he seemed tentative at times. But I chalked that up to him not knowing the offense on instincts. Practices have been closed since last training camp so I have no idea if Turner got better.

Obviously not, based on him not getting any playing time. I look forward to reporting what happens this training camp.

But make no mistake, missing offseason camps and OTAs is hurting Turner's chances of being on the team this year.

Odinseye,

Idk if Armando was being sarcastic, I did make reference to his yippee, a 7th round pick comment though. Guys like Spitler and McCoy may be players to fill out the roster, and could develop. Also, extra late round picks was what enabled us to move up for Edds and Jones. So that 7 has value, our regime has shown the ability to find acorns. Add to it Smiley was a goner anyway, it was a fantastic move. Also, we clear the books of his contract. A total win

Anyone notice who suddenly vanished?

As soon as someone shows up with the ability to check IP addresses poof! Gone!

A few minutes earlier he was saying that Armando could confirm his is not Home.

Armando's here, where are YOU?

Waterboy,

Not sure if it fits lingo but you forgot 'At the end of the day'

Armando,

Thanks for the quick reply. I know your not the coach or anything but, would it really kill those team to put him in the game for a play or two and throw him the ball in a game time situation just to see. I'm just saying.

6'5 230 is huge by anybody's standards. you can't waste that on the practice squad

We should all just cherish these moments...
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Bootang,

I agree.

A lot of people were whinning that we misplayed our hand and now won't get anything for Smiley.

Once again the Trifecta comes through.

PS: A 7th rounder is alot better than just putting his bags on the curb.

Turner would be a Monster.

Lets hope he develops.
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it also could mean that Jacksonville is collectively stupider than some other teams.
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By the way, the contract Cory Procter signed yesterday was a 1-year deal. It pays $630,000 base salary this year.

I can't remember where I read it, but someone claimed that Turners biggest problem has been getting off the Jam.

That would fit with Tony's statement about being more physical.

I hope he comes through big time, but.....

I have to agree with Armando, this injury couldn't have come at a worse time. Tough break.

1-year deal. It pays $630,000 base salary this year.

I like the sound of this deal.

Low risk/potential high reward.

Even the little things like this makes me believe in what the Trifects is doing.

So Cory Procter and Chad Henne earn about the same?

PriceMaster,

Way to put things into perspective-lol.

Armando,

Have you noticed or heard that Turner has problems with the Jam?

Guys I posted scouting reports from SI when Marshall came out, and when Turner came out, and they were basically word for word the same. Also, Marshall only caught 20 balls his rookie year in Shanahan's pass happy offense, not like he was a world beater. This isn't to say that Turner will be Marshall. Getting off the line is something almost every WR struggles with early on. Think about the bigger the frame, the more to contact and jam. However, the bigger the frame, the easier it should be to just outmuscle the defender, thus Sparano's comments. The nuances of getting open in the NFL are many. The windows are much smaller, thus why young QBs and WRs struggle as much as any position. My hope is at the very least Turner offers a good redzone target.

I'm sure they weren't pleased with Grove getter injured last year.

It was a little 'wacky' though....
That slippery field in Carolina took out like five people in one night!
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The team dressed 4 WR's for games last year: Ginn, Camarillo, Bess, Hartline.

Swap out Ginn for Marshall and there is still no room on game day roster for Turner or any other receiver.

In fact we have too many offensive players on roster now: We added Incogs, Penny, Marshall, Gerry & procter.
We subtracted Smiley and Ginn.
That means we are still 3 players too many on offense even if none of the undrafted free agents make the team.

Armando what say you on the subject?

By the way, Kenny, the fourth or fifth poster today was wrong.

ALL the media didn't say anything about Smiley. The media doesn't speak with one voice, especially on Dolphins matters.

Meanwhile, I wrote the Dolphins believe Smiley's shoulder is pretty much shot because they don't think he can last an entire season anymore. They were so concerned, they didn't want him in the weight program for fear he might injure himself.

So Kenny, get your facts correct, please.

The trifecta has had a plan in place since day one. Build the lines. Football is not rocket science. You win up front. Smiley was a stop gap due to is injury history. Rest assured there are other stop gap type players on the roster. This year the team has the luxary of dumping high paid players who are not living up to their contracts. They'd be foolish not to take advantage of this as it will pay off down the road assuming the salary cap returns.

Getting a 7th round pick is icing on the cake.

As other posters have mentioned, Jake Grove better step it up or he will be next. Jason Allen is another guy to watch closely. The only aspect of his game is special teams. Not sure of his contract situation, but being a 1st round selection you have to think his days are numbered as well.

They are still turning over the roster, get used to it. This process never stops. It is how you remain competitive. You sign a guy, give him an opportunity to learn from the coaches. It either works or it doesn't. The key is to know when to cut your losses, and this regime gets it.

The key to remember is how these contracts are structured. Most are back loaded, with a nice signing bonus which gets spread across several years as far as the salary cap goes. So high paid players must produce to the point where it is worth taking the "hit". Otherwise, you restructure their contract or release/trade them.

Makes perfect sense as does this move with Smiley.

Pricemaster, if Turner wants to play, it will be up to him to improve to the point he passes either Camarillo, Bess, or Hartline.

I don't see him passing Hartline.

The other guys you mentioned will also have to compete to make the roster and then the gameday squad.

The beauty of this front office and coaching staff is they don't care about what a player signed for or where he was drafted. If a seventh-rounder is playing better than the first-rounder, the seventh-rounder plays and the first-rounder sits.

That's the reason high-priced Jake Grove is locked in a competition with Joe Berger.

I see that as a good thing when everyone has to earn their playing time.

Bootang25:

I've always thought that Turner's College Highlight reel looked really good. That's why I'm kind of surprised about some of these problems.

Its been said so often how the Draft is basically a crapshoot.


I guess this is more proof.
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And by the way I remember last summer Henne moving the team up and down thew field, like Hitler through Poland, with Turner on the field making plays.

There is nothing wrong with Turner.

There just is not enough room on the roster.

This season could be tighter because Ginn filled 2 positions: returner and wr.

So Kenny, get your facts correct, please.

Posted by: Armando Salguero | May 25, 2010 at 12:22 PM


I love it when you get like this!

You GO BUOY!

That Carolina game finished any hopes we had last season.

Mike, you are incorrect. Smiley was signed to a very big contract. He was not signed to be a stopgap. He was signed to be the answer at LG for five years. It didn't work out. Will that kill the Dolphins? Probably not, because there is no salary cap this year and so no cap hit for the mistake.

But did that move ultimately accomplish what it was meant to accomplish? No.

My only question...Why does it take Armando to scold the kids to gets some real talk in here? We are all grown right?

In any case Good job A.S.

Armando,

"But did that move ultimately accomplish what it was meant to accomplish? No."

Don't believe I was wrong.

"So high paid players must produce to the point where it is worth taking the "hit". Otherwise, you restructure their contract or release/trade them."

I think we agree.

So Smiley was a "swing and a miss". To bad, at times he looked astounding.

I guess it was pretty smart bringing in Cognito, Jerry and now Proctor.

Is Brown really the strongest guy on the team?

I think Cognito could take him.

Mike,

Shhhhhhh! Don't back talk Mando.

Remember what happened to Carlito?

OK, just kidding. Seriously though, does anybody know who's stronger between Cog and Brown?

Got a feeling that Turner is this administrations "Ted Ginn"But without the family......Thoughts??

Mike, we agree because this is an uncapped year. The Dolphins missed on Smiley so he's gone and they probably get something for him.

Any other year, it becomes a painful situation. If they release him in the third year of a five-year deal, they have to swallow the acceleration of his salary cap bonus and have nothing to show.

And as for trade, no one would do the trade because they would have to accept the contract Smiley signed with Miami.

The lack of a cap this year saved the Dolphins on this one.

Geez! A messely 7th round draft pick in return for Smiley? Why didn't the Fins just keep him as an insurance policy against sure fire late season injuries? Anyway-good move signing Procter.

Smiley was a major upgrade over what we had. We had so many holes that we had to sign guys that first year we wouldn't even consider signing now. Also, we needed to have some kind of flexibility going into the draft that year. Also, a pricetag can't be put on the help Smiley gave to Long in those 2 years. Ultimately, did the Smiley signing not work because he wasn't a good player, or because his shoulder failed him. Had he signed a 2 year, 10 million dollar contract, we'd call it a bargain. However beacuse he couldn't fill all 5 years, we call it a miss. It wasn't a miss.

Armando,
I appreciate the response, you and I disagree on a few points:
1. Turner is a deep threat outside receiver and Penny was the starting qb when the season started and Penny cannot throw deep outside so how could they use a game day spot on Turner?
2. When Henne became the started then all of the receivers production went up so how could they deactivate one in favor of Turner?
3. That makes Pennington the progress stopper.
4. According to your blog in the summer of 2008 Chad Henne won the qb competition in camp. Penny never outplayed Henne because he is not physically able. And Penny could not move the offense that's why they pulled Penny off the field for the wildcat.

But anyway I'm just looking forward to the season.

I believe we will start the 4th qtr of most of our games 31-28. It should be fun. (some of the time).

I like this blog a lot more when guys are talking, even arguing about football.

I'm out for a while. Let's hope things stay on the right track for a while.

Appreciate all of you!

I'm hoping Jerry comes in and plays like a phenom.

Still having two of the strongest guys in the NFL as guards sounds killer.

Mando, Who's gonna be this years scape-goat now that Ted(No jock strap Required)Ginn is no longer here????

Ok -- but Smiley's
de facto 'Stopgap' role was better than who they had there before.

For me; I just need to see that they're taking steps to compete. (There will always be a percentage of mistakes.)

But this is like 'night and day' compared to the previous six years.

At least now you can honestly feel that they have a legitimate chance to win each Sunday. It wasn't like that prior to 2007.
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Price, What are your thoughts about the mighty air-breathers putting in the "Wild cat" this season?????

The difference should be obvious...

No One Is Home.
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Cuban,

I know that question wasn't addressed to me but I will share my thoughts because this has been on my mind heavily the past few days (madden).

I think the Wildcat still has use. I think Ronnie Brown is a much more productive back when he has the ball in his hands that quick;ly and is just looking for a hole to plow through. I know its kinda high schoolish and it opens us up to jabs from opposing teams fans but....

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

I think it has its place, just less so than last year

cuban I think Turner will get his opportunities to show us what he can do. I just dont think he will make it though.

Kris,

I have no problem with you. I was replying to some joker named kristopher. I did not think it was you.

My feeling is the WildCat will be a package used depending on the situation. 2nd and 3 or less, it's a great package. In the redzone, or goal to go, it's a great package. I have said numerous times, Brandon Marshall doesn't get the credit he deserves as a blocker, he only adds to the wildcat with his blocking. While it won't be used as often, it'll be used more effectively, and efficiently.

Damn it, missed Mando. Well, here's my thought on Turner: I suspect his trouble is lack of desire. Can't prove it, just a feeling I get.

Agree kris, But adding Marshall and getting rid of no sack(Ginn)I see it's use only coming once or twice during a game, also seeing how they have a QB that can throw the ball more then 20 yds is another reason that the "Wild cat" wont be used...........

It will be interesting to see where Procter winds up on the O-line. I think he's being brought in to push the back-up center spot.
He's a Sparano guy from Dallas and could play guard as well.
It won't surprise me if the Wildcat is used sparingly this season. It was used to put the ball in the hands of our best player, Ronnie.
That's not the case anymore. We're filled with good players who can handle the football.
It also helped cover a glaring weakness of CP10, arm strenght.
No longer true with Henne. Defense gets better with Nolan. Offense is better with free agency. Depth better thru the draft!
Building from the inside out. That was the plan from the beginning!
Time to reap some rewards though. And, I pray it's this year! Go fins!

"The lack of a cap this year saved the Dolphins on this one."

I agree completely. I think it is wise that they are smart enough to know when to cut their losses. I believe the move would not have occured in a capped year. IMO This move was done because of the current situation with the cap. Otherwise, I think they'd have let him recover and compete hoping to get something more out of him. Why gamble on him knowing his history if the situation presents itself where you are not forced to?

So yes, the uncapped year saved them, but it also made the situation possible. I think it was a very smart move. The only thing I questioned, was why lock him out of camp? Couldn't they have let him in restricting his activities, so as to not put him in a position to further injure his shoulder? I wonder if in that case maybe they could have received a little more for him.

I wonder how Henning's play calling will change this year now that we have a threat on the outside.

Bootang,

I see the same thing. That package on the goal line works. It just does. So why can it?

The beauty of the wild cat is it stretches the defense. Forces them to respect the entire field. It would be even more effective though if we had a better passer back there.

Odinseye,

What happened with Carlito?

i see ted ginn having a great year .
i see marshall having trouble coping with the hip issue .
i see henne struggling .
i see pat white shining .

Cuban, the scapegoat has to be Clam Chowder.


This guys whiffs on tackles, goes up the wrong gaps, cant cover a TE.

Clammy tested the FA market , after the “monster season” of 2008 and didn’t even have a FA visit lined up…. Had to come crawling back to the fins.

Wake me up when Clam gets a sack or forces a fumble.

Clam Chowder = Spacegoat Nominee for 2010 Season

He talked back to Armando.

Armando sent him to the Principals office.

Mike,

Also, the QB should NEVER be on the field for the wildcat. The core idea is to even the numbers, but having Henne out wide negates that. It should strictly be Power Wildcat, with Polite, Brown and Williams, 6 linemen with the unbalanced line, Marshall and your other best blocking WR (Camarillo IMO) Simply put, our best guys against your best guys, you know what's coming, but can't stop it.

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