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Ross skips out on postgame locker room -- again

Dolphins coach Tony Sparano or general manager Jeff Ireland or both have a problem -- and it has nothing to do with what you think.

It doesn't have to do with the fact quarterback Chad Henne is inconsistent and both are tied to Henne as the franchise QB. It has nothing to do with the fact no one in Miami's defensive backfield can be trusted to catch a potential interception delivered directly to the hands. It also has nothing to do with the fact the running game, around which the offense is supposed to be built, has been absent the entire season.

Those problem pale for Miami's top football men compared to this: Owner Stephen Ross is clearly not happy.

And Ross makes the final call on both Sparano's and Ireland's job status.

Ross was at Sunday's 13-10 loss to the Cleveland Browns at Sun Life Stadium. But when the Dolphins lost, he made himself scarce. Unlike other games in which Ross goes from his suite to the team's locker room, Ross skipped the trip on Sunday.

And it was at least the second home loss after which Ross skipped joining his team in the locker room after the game. He wasn't there after the shutout loss to Chicago Nov. 18. So that's two consecutive games after which Ross does not go see his team.

This, by the way, may not seem significant to you. But how the owner's feels about his team is something the football people must be keenly monitoring if they want to enjoy some sort of job security. And it is clear those absences are a sign of disapproval.

It doesn't end there.

Ross is clearly not happy with Miami's 1-5 home record. That record is terrible for any team, but particularly frustrating for a team that has managed a 5-1 record on the road. Clearly, if a team can win on the road, it should be able to manage some wins at home as well. If that isn't happening, it suggest they are under-achieving at home. Certainly, Sunday's loss to the previously 4-7 Cleveland Browns suggests that.

And that is bad because Ross wants his home games to be fun and entertaining and an event. He has spent many resources -- celebrities, concerts, noise, etc ... -- on making home games a bigtime experience.

The problem is all the appetizer and side dish stuff loses its meaning when the main course, the actual football team, is not palatable on its home turf. What's more, the Dolphins are not only seldom successful at home this year, they are boring in the process.

The Dolphins are averaging 16.3 points per game at home this year. They are averaging 19.5 points on the road.

That is not good. And it is especially not good when the owner is so keen on entertainment and showtime and offering people a compelling reason to attend games.

That leads me to the next issue: The Dolphins have two more home games at Sun Life Stadium this season. Never mind whether they win or lose those games against Buffalo (Dec. 19) and Detroit (Dec. 26).

The fact is neither one of those games is sold out at this time. The fact is, barring some unexpected series of events, neither of those games is likely to sell out in time to avert the local television blackout.

That sets a bad tone, folks. Home games that are not sold out make the owner (more) unhappy.

And that is increasingly an issue for folks like Sparano and Ireland.

[I'll be discussing this very topic on my radio show, Armando and the Amigo, today from 6 a.m. to 10 a.m. I'm sure the other local morning hosts that read this blog for material will pick up on this, but I would encourage you to listen to me directly so I can share other tidbits on this topic with you. Armando and the Amigo is on 640 Sports in South Florida.]

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The problem all falls on Henne, Brown, and Williams. Henne has to know that his 12 td's to 15 picks is badly hurting a insipid offense. And the backs need to get their feet out of quicksand and onto the turf.
But guess what?
Even with the ineptitude on offense, the defense continues to keep them in games. Despite dropping a pick or two, it held Peyton Hillis to under 60 yards on nearly 20 carries. And I haven't even mentioned the NFL's sack leader (look him up, you might be surprised if you don't know who is at the top). Even after Henne's two INT's, the defense still held the opposition to 10 points, until the third, which would have given any team rock solid field goal position, was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Henne is not the future, Henning needs to give up his oc position--because all of his calls are sketchy--and Brown is clearly not the pro bowler we thought he was. If you're looking for answers, it's all on offense.
I hope Sparano gets another opportunity, but he and Jeff-baby need to know which moves to make, because all of us know which ones they are.

This region has had thier opportunities. They were allowed to go to the tables of fortune, place thier bets, and they lost big time. Sound decision making is key no matter what endeavor it is. This region has clearly failed, next batter up!!!

Mando,
Putting aside all the drama and rhetoric and

When i read the postgame quotes i see a theme, "we just need to improve or work on things and we will be fine"
This is from the players now where the last few years it was what Sparano said after losses.
What i dont see is the urgency and i think this "will get them next week" attitude has spread like a virus. Its past half the season, they shouldnt be talking about being ok or just making some tweaks. i just want to hear, we blew it, and now we let ourselves down and we are pissed at how this happened.

Zach may have been a downer when we lost, but he NEVER sugar coated it or had a "Oh well" attitude. intensity without urgency is just a waste of time.

This is called "growing pains" with a young QB. Really good one week, really bad the next. It happens with ALL QBs coming from college. Some learn quicker, some slower BUT 23 games is certainly not enough to pas s judgement

Right now this franchise is at a serious empasse. They are good enough to tease but not nearly good enough to please. That my friends is a full culmination of falty decision making by the current region.

Hopefully Mr. Ross will do the right thing this offseason. He now seems as fed up as we fans are. Props to Mr. Ross!!!

where are the morono/ireland defenders?

come out homers.

and sure tortured would love for us all to jump ship and choose a front runner like he did, so he doesnt have to face that he is a quitter.

Go back to your hold, quitter and wait for next week.

Hopefully the phins will tank the rest of the season, to give you some chuckles to your existence and a better draft slots for us

....its a wrap folks....

student1776, well said. I agree with most everything you wrote

it looks awful encouraging putting up all those td to int numbers of all those great quarterbacks but remember that there are also alot of horrible qb's over the years with those same numbers so you cant really compare them you just have to honestly look at his play and see its not so much the mistakes its that their the same mistakes

bobby,
agree on learning curve, but the mistakes seem to be from him not making decisions fast enough.

Did you see his comment about the underthrow to Hartline... "i was looking off the safety so i couldnt throw it earlier"

WHAT, he was following his plan even after the WR was 5 yards behind the DB.

..maybe new coaching will simplify it for him cause hes WAY too much in his own head and afraid to make mistakes

I dont care if the perripheral problems are quarterback, dimeback, or nickelback. Change must start now and the "buck" stops here!!!

test, besides the fact u know squat, who built this defense? This was a 1-15 team 3 years ago in shambles. Did u expect the magical pixie fairy to fly down and give us extra picks? I will take this team, GM and coaches over anything we have had the past 14 years. Crawl back under ur rock

If I had my own way I prefer to have a GM that would come in and trade every player not named Cameron Wake for major draft picks. Then we could rebuild a champion team in the mode of the 1990's Dallas Cowboys.

Yes that includes the like of trading Jake Long, Vontae Davis etc... Imagine the upper level picks we would get for those players. Plus a franchise LT cant lead you to a championship w/o a franchise qb.

We need someone smart enough to blow this entire thing up and wise enough to reconstruct it into championship mode.

daganj, "maybe new coaching" key words and i agree. Running a two receiver set, being under center and having to come in third and long after another WildCat failure doesnt help. Im not dissolving Henne of blame, but again, growing pains of a young QB with bad coaching doesnt equal good

Profootball.com: Ross Axes Ireland and Sparano.Nolan to interim as HC with Peterson to adress the Media..

All I want for Christmas is a C, LG, RT, RB, TE, FS, 2 new CB's, ILB, OLB & a partridge in a pear tree.

Yea Cybergate, and thee tooth fairy left you a dollar for ur tooth that fell out fot to much Meth use. Thks for stopping by

bobbyd your remarks are not consistent. One moment you are saying 23 games is not enough to judge a QB, and the next you are saying Thipen is awful based on his 1-10 record two years ago on a terrible team. Not saying Thig is the answer, and considering how awful Henne was yesterday, maybe Thig could have pulled out a win. What I am saying is that you are contradicting yourself.

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I dont even care if we had to have a couple back to back 4 win seasons to get to championship mode. Look at the blueprint of how the 1990's Cowboys got started on thier way to 3 SB's in 4 yrs. That's the kind of blueprint we now need in Miami.

Blow the whole damn thing up and rebuild with upper-echelon draft picks and put the cherry on top with 2-3 high impact free agents.

The Parcellians tried to do it with retreads, cheap free agents, and questionable draft picks. So you wonder why we are where we are now?

0 x 80 What team drafted Thigpen to be a "starting" QB in the NFL? Thigpen was never considered to be a starter, and his 1 - 12 record just confirmed that fact. Henne was drafted to become a starter cause he has the arm, talent and ability to be a starter. Thigpen was drafted as a back-up by KC. My statements are not inconsistent because u are comparing apples to oranges

Bobbyd12,

Chad Henne is a young qb who needs others to step up around him. Via defense, special teams, or Offense. Even great qb's need this at times to pull out victories. The pick drop by Carroll yesterday is just one of many example to choose from that validates my statement.

We have a young qb that when he isnt having one of best games no other facids of our team steps up for him neither.

DB, they started with some cheap free agents just to help ease the roster reshape. 2 turned out to be above average (Starks/Wake). Sadly, the good draft picks have been few & The FA signings have been worse. There is NO question this team should be better. All the o-line tinkering too. Parcells, Sparano & Ireland ALL share blame. Why people will not hold them accountable is BEYOND me.

FA can solve allot of this but has to be done wisely. There are very good players who can be brought in that can immediately help. Guys like Richard Marshall, Kelly Jennings, Ryan Kalil, D. Colledge, Michael Bush, S. Breaston, Brad Smith, Brodney Pool, D. Landry, A. Bigby, Michael Johnson, Deon Grant.

Every single one of those guys is better than the options we have at those positions. Find your ILB, OLB & Te early in the draft but try to get accomplished young players in FA. Not projects like Misi & Francis. There is NO time for on the job training in the NFL when you're trying to win.

The list is endless. With 1 good draft & GOOD FA signings, Miami can compete next year. Sadly, I have NO faith in this groups abilities to get that done.

bobby that explanation makes little sense really. I'm just saying your view can be more objective. I guess Brady was drafted in the late rounds to just be a back up then by your logic. Everyone is drafted with the hope they might have starter potential, and not with the idea they will only be a limited career back up.

If Henne plays the next game like this one, I can't see any logic in not giving Thigpen a second look being the season is lost anyway.

Bobbyd12,

When drafting a qb 2nd rd you're taking a huge roll of the dice that you can eventually groom him to become a starter. Usually if you believe 100% a guy can be a starter he's drafted 1st rd.

I still believe we would have been better off that year taking the franchise qb(Ryan) then drafting the LT 2nd rd. The Parcellians did it backwards. Therefore we are where we are right now.

Thigpen vs Henne is a sideshow issue, a diversion by the Ball Boy - Fist Pump Fanboyz.

Regardless of who QBs the next 4 games, we still need a "QB of The Future." We also need a Center, a RT, RG &LG, a deep/fast WR, Special teams, a young RB, a FS and an eventual replacement for YBell, an NT and another LB or two, and a KR/PR

Other than that, WE'RE CLOSE!


Ball Boy is in over his head. Fist Pump is a position coach who MIGHT be a coordinator given time. Tuna brung 'em, Tuna's left, no reason to keep 'em any longer.

0x80 dont waste your time on that guy hes aways right and every one else is always wrong. peace

Dying I agree. We dont have the playmakers to step up. Thats why as bad as our defense was last year, and we used most deaft picks on D, we need to do the same thing on offense this off-season.

jmj, Thanks for contributing "nothing" as usual.

Bobby D,

No disrespect, but quit arguing with the retards.

These AZZwipes want to use a first round pick on another QB. But the new will only get 10 games to prove he's a hall of famer.

Last week, Henne had "it". This week, He's bum again.

They think Henne is inconsistent. Has he played with a consistent run game? Has he played with a consistent O-line. Has he played with any consistency from his receivers.

How about his offensive coordinator. You retards have already completed your evaluation of Henne and you've never even seen him play with a lead. MOSTLY because his offensive coordinator goes into ultra conservative mode with a 3 point lead in the THIRD QUARTER.

BobbyD, i said quit arguing with the retards, just try and school the dumbf_cks!!!!

PS: Glad you see you back here. I hope your holidays go better!

Joe Shmoe,

That was one of many Parcellian mistakes. We may have been better off with a 4 or 5 win season in 2008. That would have been 2 consecutive years of drafting high on the food chain. We may have had a better quality nucleus to build upon right now today.

The Parcellians tried it thier way and obviously the results havent been as great as we needed them to be. We are now good enough to tease but not nearly good enough to please.

That fact isnt even arguable. LOL

honestly with the season lost.. why not go ahead and fire Henning and give Lee a chance to show his offensive ply calling.. I mean hes interviewed for head coaching jobs.. and Stephen Ross's attempts to make money and create a game day experience apart from the rest has nothing to do with the people on the field or the coaching of those people. To think that professionals who make more money than everyone on this blog combined are distracted by this marketing tool is ignorant.

THE PLAYER WHO DESERV MILLIONS IS .......WAKE, HE WILL BE FREE AGENT IN 2011 AND MAKE PLENTY EVEN IF THEY SLAB HIM W/FRENCHISE TAG .

@DB:

ditto. Jake Long's a wonderful player, but he's got nothing of value to protect.

A Franchise QB is a decade worth of good times. We had a once in a decade oppty w/ no.1 overall to find our QB. They took what they thought was the easy way out by picking Jake & conning us into believing that they got the 'two-fer' they wanted w/ Henne in the second rd.

Matty Ice is a thing of beauty---something like 6 4th qtr comebacks this year(?).....Henne, soemthing like 6 4th qtr intercepts.

Is there really any doubt that they screwed the pooch by passing on Ryan (&/or not maneuvering to get Flacco)????? C'mon guys, why do you think Tuna's jumped ship????

jmj - I'm seeing there are a few of those types on this blog, they don't want to debate or exchange thoughts, only find people to agree with them.

Wake may deserve the money but he is going to be 30 next year. Does anyone happen to recall the early 30 something LB'er we signed from Pitt who didn't live up to his contract? We should ABSOLUTELY guarantee him more money the next 2 years...BUT, I'd be wary of extending him too long. Odds are, he won't be able to live up to it.

Thks Odinseye and 0 x 80, i gave u my reason on Thigpen. Whether u agree or not is up to you.

Well ALoco.. Id take a take out cook right now calling the plays instead of a broken OC that said himself hes not afraid about job security since hes already retired himself... if he doesnt feel a need be the best then why would his play calling show that.. it doesnt.

Odin, BobbyD,

Obviously where we're most likely will pick in the 1st rd we'll end up with a qb even worse than Henne. That's a fact!

Our best shot is maybe to land Mark Ingram. IMO Ingram is a franchise potential rb and will be the closest comparison to Emmitt Smith since Emmitt himself came to the league.

I would much rather draft a potential Emmitt Smith than bust out on a qb in a weak qb draft. IMO, Chad Henne would have been a top 10 qb pick had he come out this year. That's how much red flag concerns following this current crop of qb's.

Andrew Luck is considered the top overall prospect in this current crop and he hasnt even faced a top 20 collegiate defense all season. The speed of the nfl will be a HUMONGOUS culture shock for him!!!

Lee cooked up wildcat, doesn't have good gameday taste anymore.

youre right he cooked up the wildcat... he saw that the team needed a dramatic change in offense to win. If he can come up with that and install it then do you not think he could atleast for 4 more games come up with a better offensive game plan than the old man that doesnt care if he has a job or not?

no qb. that is the problem.

a young qb, who needs time to mature... a sparse running game, dropped balls, and a sub par offensive game plan is the problem.

bobbyd, I was just pointing something out and you explained your side. When it comes to this stuff I don't really claim to be right or wrong, in general I think everyone is an expert yet nobody knows anything....including me of course.

Also if Luck hasnt faced any top 20 collegiate defenses it also means he hasnt had to throw against upper level db's either. Even the worst nfl db's he'll face will be eons better than paper doll db's he's faced this year in college.

DyingBreed--

Not trying to be picky, but it's "regime" not "region."

i think our first order of business should be building an offensive line that at least can have the same five guys playing together all the time enough with the turning over rocks theory, you will never ever win in this or any other league rotating and switching offensive linemen its the most basic obvious part of a good team, it does not matter how good the coach, QB or RB'S are no line = no good period

ncfinfan,

That's exactly what Im saying about Henne. Clearly it's very debateble that he ever becomes a franchise qb. But it is a fact and highly undebateble that his teamates rarely step up behind him. That's essential whether the qb is a franchise qb or Chad Henne.

jim,

I post so much at times my fingers move faster than eyes. Thanks for the pandetic observations. LOL

0 x 80. if i was an expert i would be a GM. I was wrong on Brandon Marshall, I was wrong on Karlos Dansby. My biggest point is Ive watched us start over and start over. I prefer just this once we stick this out just a little longer and give Henne and this group the opportunity to turn this. May not happen but im not the owner. Time will tell

Im out, have a good day

BobbyD12.....This time you are the voice, you are right, pulling the plug on Henne after 23 games is probably premature, but I gotta ask the question...if not after 23...then how many?

There is a good chance that Henne only has one meaningful game left to play, and thats the Jets game....thats it. They will be the only team with something to play for left on our schedule.

The Bills and Lions will both be evaluating talent and playing back-ups to see what they got..and if the pats beat the jets they will probably be in shut-down mode in the last game of the season....

We only one more game left were we/they can realistically evaluate Henne.... one game. Then its wait until next year.

So...the fact that he is so inconsitent makes it even harder...1 above average game...and one less than average game.....If he lights up the Pats in the last game of the season, you can't say "i think he's got it"...cause you know he doesn't....not yet....cause he is to inconsistent.

How many game into next season can we "wait and see"....

To be honest B12....I don't know the answer... wrote after the Tenessee game that Henne was a riddle, and It seems that 3 weeks later he still is

I for one am happy to wait another 23-30 games to watch Henne develop into the brilliant young QB that we all know he will be.

It has been a real joy watching this young man grow up before our own eyes.

We ARE so close.

voice of reason

Ken,

IMO, the o-line is fine. Cant it use upgrades? Of course. Its just my observation you cant judge the offensive blocking by Ronnie Brown's running. Ricky's a senior citizen as far as rb's go but still superior to Brown.

I would like to see how a smart rb like Mark Ingram performs behind it before I conclude they are horrible. Ingram is a real rb and Ronnie Brown is pretender to the throne.

Brown only looks great when he has holes wide enough to parallel park 18 wheelers. However, so would my grandmother.

Not sure what they were thinking in "Grading the Dolphins." They gave the ST an A (I guess for Carpenter's 60 yd field goal.) Great, how about the OTHER FG that was blocked (and would have resulted in a tie game)? I mean, that's not on the ST?

Then coaching got a C. C'mon. If you see a glacier 1 mile away, yet can't steer around it, do you still give the captain credit for trying? Nothing done yesterday by the coaching staff was effective. We don't even know if they TRIED anything different from their game plan. I give the coaching staff an F too. Maybe a D since Nolan did a nice job. But Henning again didn't do anything to change his bland offense. Rizzo didn't do anything to change the awful ST, and Sparano again wasted a time out and didn't motivate his team in the 2nd half and change things up to win the game. So, coaching gets an F from me.

I've been telling you guys for a couple years that Henne and Penne were not the QB of the future. Most of you told me I was wrong and give Henne time. I never saw anything in Henne that looked like a probowler or stud QB. At the most important position it is imperative to find a above average to great player. 1/3 of the teams have stud QBs.

NJphinfan if your still around. I rest my case; Chad Henne & Chad Pennington aka Penne aka Noodle arm are not better than Mark Sanchez. and Matt Ryan as you adamantly argued. and not that Sanchez is even that good!

The search goes on for the next great Phins QB... 11+ years and counting no QB and a decade of mediocrity.

You wouldn't listen to me about Henne. After years of telling you, listen to this, again;

9/11 was an inside job

World Trade Center Towers 1, 2 & 7 were brought down by controlled demolition.

Checkout WTC7.net and watch the collapse videos.

Paul says 23-30 more games...thats 4 season's total.....can we afford that.....I think coaches should get at least 4 (used to be 5 years to rebuild)...should young QB's get 4 years????

The Parcellians(I like this term LOL), screwed up the O-line just as they practically ignored the QB position. The ONLY thing they did was get LUCKY Penny fell into their laps. He's why we went 11-5 & he gave this regime credibility. It's not the achievements of Management. Here's how Miami addressed their QB position:

Signed Mccown, eventually traded
Traded Beck
Took a chance on Henne(books almost closed here)
Penny fell in their laps
Waste a high pick on Pat White
Traded for Thigpen out of necessity
Resigned Penny knowing his shoulder is held together by cotton balls & duct tape instead of another viable backup.

Thank god they haven't tackled all their need areas with such emphasis and authority!

Agreed ALoco, minus Mike Nolan, he needs to stay. But as far as the final four games of the season why not mix it up and see whats there if anything? I dont think it will happen until they are totally mathematically eliminated from the playoff pic. Mike Nolan in his first year made good with what he has.

DyingBreed, I agree, trying to pass judgement on Henne now when he doesnt have a great supporting cast is like trying to write off Elway and Young...
and for all of you out there no im not comparing Henne to those HOF qbs just saying you cant write him off when hes not given the tools to do his job.

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