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ESPN reports Daboll is the new OC, question is why?

I know what you are thinking: You are simply wondering why him?

If ESPN's report that Brian Daboll will be hired as Miami's new offensive coordinator (The Herald has not as of this writing been able to independently confirm this), then you're asking why coach Tony Sparano hired a coordinator whose team scored fewer points than the Dolphins broken offense in 2010.

The Dolphins also scored more points than Daboll's Browns in 2009.

I don't have an explanation for you at this time. I'm hoping to get an explanation at some point. It's a tough day for that as I'm flying back from Boston today so timing might be an issue.

In the meantime, I can tell you Daboll (35 years old) is younger than Dan Henning, whom he is replacing. And he is an enthusiastic sort as the video below shows.

Daboll's NFL experience is out of the Bill Belichick coaching tree. He was hired in 2000 by the Patriots as a defensive assistant. He became wide receivers coach in 2002. He left the Pats in 2006 to go with Eric Mangini to the Jets as their QB coach.

In 2009, Daboll again migrated with Mangini, this time to Cleveland where he served as offensive coordinator. Obviously, he was on the outs in Cleveland when Mangini was fired. And now he is apparently on the ins with the Dolphins.

 

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Bill,

I'm not going to get into a fight with you on this but if that's your attitude then I think you need to take a LONG look in the mirror! How can you possibly call yourself a Miami Dolphins fan and hope your team goes 0-16 next? And then what? We draft the next Alex Smith or Jamarcus Russell? I got news for you, Luck has another year of elligibility and there is no guarantee he is coming out next year and there's no guarantee that he's going to be the saviour. So then what? Hope for another 0-16 season? Why follow the team if you hope they lose every year?

I just want to be clear on this Bill.....are you saying you'll be cheering every week for this team to lose next season?

Craig, sure the Pats don't tank in order to rebuild but that is because they have a QUARTERBACK. I still don't think you realize how important having a top 10 qb is in this league. You can have the world's worst defense or run game today and still make the playoffs or even win the super bowl if your quarterback is in the top quartile in the NFL. i.e. Saints last year, Indy the year before.

On the other hand - if you have a great supporting cast but your QB stinks - you may scrape into the playoffs but it will end quickly.

If you don't have a QB, you don't have anything.

And since I have no faith in this administration in turning a decent QB into a great one (i.e. ROdgers, Brees) were not 1st overall picks and the franchise worked hard in turning that player into a PLAYER, we need a slam dunk like Luck appears to be - therefore I will not cry a river if we go 1-15 next year and Luck comes out becuase that will be the next best thing to winning the Super Bowl. I will not hope for it to happen, but I won't be upset either - especially since it will clean out this lacklustre administration too that clearly failed in its' first attempt to build the club.

bill, that's my point. Not a big fan of trading down but the fact is, it's a weak QB class. And once again, we need help at multiple positions. In other words, we need that 2nd pic back.

Craig, I don't think there's a huge gap between Jets and us (or us and anybody). I think at the beginning of every year, every team is exactly even (0-0). Just cause the Pats have been great this decade doesn't mean they start the season better than us (no matter what the prognosticators say).

I'm just saying the gap between the Jets and us THIS YEAR is huge (evidenced by us being at home and them being in the AFC Championship game). So, you're right, we're saying pretty much the same thing. It's not that we can't beat the Jets, it's that we can't beat the other 4-5 teams we needed to beat to be where the Jets are now. That's all I'm saying, don't think it should be controversial to anyone, since it's just reality.

Mark in Toronto,

Sorry I still don't but the argument. We went 11-5 in 2008 with Pennington who I don't consider a top ten QB. The Panthers did it with Delhomme. The Ravens did it with Dilfer. The Jets are doing it with Sanchez. I would question whether Cutler is a top ten QB. i could go on...

Henne obviously isn't a top ten QB....no disagreement there. Can he under this regime? You'd probably have a hard time making that case. But could he be salvaged to be a QB that can keep us competitive. I think he can. Why?....because there are a whole host of guys who were better after having two very ordinary years in the league....Elway, Brees etc....Can it happen under this regime? Don't know. You're right the evidence isn't there. But I will also say there are NO guarantees that Andrew Luck comes in and becomes a top ten QB. Do I think he will? Yes. But no guarantees. I don't want to see this team tanking in order for that to happen because it means we are another 2-3 years away at least.

"I HATE that guys hope we tank next season so we can get the first overall pick in the 2012 draft. How does that make you a fan of this team?"

Craig, because acquiring the #1 pick will land the best player in the draft & will help lead the franchise for the next 12 years. 12 seasons of hope instead of 1 more season of mediocrity.

Wanting what's best for the team in the long term doesn't make them less of a fan than those with wishful thinking and highly unrealistic expectations. Me personally, I just hope there is no season next year LOL

>Craig, sure the Pats don't tank in order to rebuild but that is because they have a QUARTERBACK.
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One that was picked 199th in the draft. Not specifically aimed at your Craig, but all the 'we just need to dump Henne and trade up and get Cam' delusionals.

"Sorry I still don't but the argument. We went 11-5 in 2008 with Pennington who I don't consider a top ten QB. The Panthers did it with Delhomme. The Ravens did it with Dilfer. The Jets are doing it with Sanchez."

Sorry Craig, Pennington is the most accurate passer of all time. The panthers had an elite Defense & elite running game. The Ravens had an all time defense, great special teams & great running game. The Jets have an elite D, elite running game & elite special teams.

if you're going to make comparisons, they have to be similar. None of those comnparisons you tried to make are remotely close to the situation in Miami.

With all due respect to the Pats, they had Bledsoe & took Brady as a guy to develop. They didn't set out to pick Brady & hope he became the next great thing. They weren't banking on a 6th round pick to be an all time great player.

Same with Cassell. He was a later round pick to develop, not to come in and play. They have better scouts & talent evaluators. You only have to look at their track record of success to see they are light years ahead of us.

Well, I think people are dreaming if they think this team could be that bad. DC hit the nail on the head here. We are not far off of the Jets talent. Their coaching and confidence trumped ours

Pennington was runner up for MVP and really should have been MVP that year. Peyton had an already excellent playoff team and stable coaching staff. Penne had a 1-15 team and only joined it weeks before opening day. If you don't have a top 10 QB, then you must have all the other pieces in the top 5. Either way, 98% of the time you do need a great QB to be a perennial playoff team.

I really think some of you are just way to content with mediocre and happy to always wait for next year....waiting, waiting in vain.

JS, to further the point, the Baltimore Raven model is one that worked successfully once in teh past 30 years. is this really the model you (Craig) want to follow?

In addition, as much as I think Sanchez does stink - he does play well in the 4th quarter - that I can't take away from that weiner eater.

And Pennington in 2008 - is this really what you aspire this team to become? We won the division because Brady was injured and got embarassed at home against a real playoff team in front of the country. That is not what I aspire this team to become either.

If you can't see that the team with the best QB play year in and year out will put you in the Super Bowl hunt than I have nothing more to say to you becuase you are obviously delusional man.

There may be one team every year that bucks the trend but the trend is your friend for a reason - it's the surest way fo doing things.

And no, maybe Luck is not a sure thing but is there ever a sure thing - if you want a sure thing then call a prostitute - everything else in life is a crapshoot.

0x80, correct. Comparing teams that were or are capable of carrying their QB's to Miami of 2011 is silly.

Miami must either upgrade the entire talent base so that we can carry any QB or upgrade the QB who could carry the rest of the team. Either way, an upgrade is required.

0x80, I am not interested in anything but elite players and talent and do not ever want a loosing season again. That being said, I am willing to give Henne a shot here for the things he DID show.

He is coachable, and the team need to bring a starting caliber QB to start, and Heene needs to beat that guy out for the job.

Joe,

I just want to be clear. Are you saying that going into the 2008 season you had Pennington as a top ten QB in the league? If that was the case, why did the Jets get rid of him for nothing and bring in Brett Favre in hopes of an upgrade. Where weren't other teams knocking down the Jets door at the time to pick him up?

0x80, preach it brother.

And waiting in vain ... great song.

craig what im saying is i dont want another 6, 7, or 8 win team. if thats the case id rather go 0-16. dont get me wrong, come opeing day (most likely october or nov) ill be cheering big time for fins. but reality says this team will be horrible. so once we show just how bad we are , week 1 or week 8, then yes i want to lose so we get this garbage staff out of here and maybe a top 5 pick at worst. if we start off 2-0, am i rooting against us?? hell no, but simple logic tells all of us this will be a disaster season.

Bill, let me help you here. When has logic prevaled with this team? We have been predicted as contenders every year and we barley break .500.

So lets look at it this way. this will be the first year we will not even be mentioned for the AFC EAST title, and a LOOOOONG SHOT or a NO shot even for the playoffs.

the last time that happened we won the AFC east. We have this league right where we want them. :)

Craig, how could you NOT consider Farve an upgrade to Penny that season? Penny was injury prone so often, they couldn't rely on him. Farve never missed a game. Because of his accuracy, Penny was in the top 12 I'd say but his injury concerns, especially at QB, made him expendable.

Farve had just came off an MVP type season, in a conference title game. He is an all time great player & was available. The Jets wanted to make a splash, Farve was the way to do it. It was more than football, it was about business & showing the fans the will to win. Putting people in the stands, sell merchandise.

Of course it was an upgrade & for the 1st half of the season it paid off. Then he got sore arm/elbow & it went downhill. Guess those masseurs weren't doing a good enough job LOL

To further prove the point, after he left the Jets, Farve went on to have another MVP type season & his best statistical season ever. At 39-40 years old. Penny went on injured reserve for the 3rd time.

"Where weren't other teams knocking down the Jets door at the time to pick him up?"

Forgot to address this. He was cut, why would other teams knock down the Jets door for him? he signed where ever he wanted to. He went to Tuna & Henning because of the fact they drafted him. He was familiar with the offense.

Mark in Toronto,

We drafted what many people considered the third best QB in the draft in 2008, in Chad Henne. Some people even had him ahead of Joe Flacco in their rankings....if you doubt me, look it up. Now, you and many others want us to draft the best available QB in the first round, which given where we draft will likely be at least the third QB chosen. How is this any different than what we did three years ago?

Where this organization falls down and where we should be looking to improve is why we are unable to develop any young QBs. Evrybody complains because we don't draft QBs in the first round but it doesn't work that way. There are too many first round failures to just expect we pick in the frirst round round, plug him in and have instant success. The NFL game is so much faster and is a big jump for a lot of these guys. There are VERY few guys who make the jump to College and have instant success. So what makes you think with this regime or any other regime it's going to be any different. We'll keep drafting guys and then people will say, 'We don't know how to evaluate QB talent'. That's not the problem. We can't develop QBs....we never have, Marino being the exception.

So guys, go ahead and cheer on the Dolphins failures next year but Andrew Luck is going to come to town and then you're going to wonder why it isn't working out.

And incidentally, guys, I realize the Ravens and Panthers had more 'elite' teams that us but the model I want to follow is the one of the Ravens and Jets. Say what you want about the Ravens but they are competitive EVERY year. That's what I want. A team that's in the playoffs every year. Once you get in anything can happen, as the Jets and Packers have shown this year, as the number 6 seed. As the Cardinals showed a couple of years ago. It's TOO hard to find that upper tier franchise QB and there are other ways to be successful, as these teams are showing.

Poizen - While I've gotten way down on Henne this year, I'm willing to see how he can do with a better supporting cast around him. I don't blame Henning as much as I do the lack of talent around him. Good players make coaches look good.

MarkToronto - glad to see someone picked up on the Marley reference...and it really seems like some here are content to wait in vain, rather than serious look at what it takes to be a perennial playoff team.

Someone mentioned the other day they didn't realize we interviewed Tomlin and chose Cameron instead. Word was Tomlin gave an impressive interview too. So we don't just fail on players, we fail on picking coaches too. I have approximately zero faith in Sparano. Nice guy, lame coach, not a leader, calls the game scared, not the brightest bulb on the sideline, don't see him ever outwitting anybody.

poizen i predicted a 7-9 season last year. tell me the last year u actually thought we would compete for anything? be serious

ravens drafted a qb in first rd. cards had warner. so yes we def need a huge ass upgrade at qb

i agree 100 percent 0x80

Joe,

Let's back up....my intitial argument was that teams can win without a top ten QB. I made the point we did it in 2008 with Pennington. Then you came back at me and said Pennington is the most accurate passer in NFL history, inferring that he was in fact a top ten passer. Have I got you so far?

craig we won with pennington cause we played the easiest schedule in nfl history and used a gimmick to upset a few teams. even after that we got destroyed at home and our qb was awful in the game. i dont want a one and done team, get us a qb that can actually win some playoff games

I just want to win 2 games in a row and more games at home than on the road. That's all I'm looking for this team to do, and then I'll think about everything else.

"And incidentally, guys, I realize the Ravens and Panthers had more 'elite' teams that us but the model I want to follow is the one of the Ravens and Jets. Say what you want about the Ravens but they are competitive EVERY year. That's what I want. A team that's in the playoffs every year. Once you get in anything can happen, as the Jets and Packers have shown this year, as the number 6 seed."

Craig,

The Ravens have 4 VERY good WR's, a dynamic RB, TE & Oline.

The Jets have 3 VERY good WR's, a dynamic TE, 2 excellent RB's & the best oline in the NFL. Not to mention an elite defense.

The Packers have a GREAT QB, a stable of WR's the entire NFL is envious & a creative, wide open offense. Not to mention an elite D with probably the best defensive player in the NFL in Matthews.

You want a competitive team year in and out yet, want to stick with Sparano & Ireland who have proven they have been incapable of doing the very thing you long for.

So like I have said to you many times, it's better to be a realist than an optimist.

Joe,

I usually agree with what you say, but your earlier post regarding the number one pick is off. Getting the number one pick in 2012 draft doesn't guaranty a great player? Does it? No!!!

The reality is that we need a solid QB. Period

Joe,

Still waiting for you to answer my previous question....

Yeah, it looked like the Ravens had 4 very good WR's on Saturday when they kept dropping the ball, one of them to end the game.

Joe,

Let's back up....my intitial argument was that teams can win without a top ten QB. I made the point we did it in 2008 with Pennington. Then you came back at me and said Pennington is the most accurate passer in NFL history, inferring that he was in fact a top ten passer. Have I got you so far?

Posted by: Craig M | January 19, 2011 at 10:59 AM

Craig, we've been OVER this. Easiest schedule, no Tom Brady & Pennington fell into our laps. That's why they went to the playoffs that year. Also, getting to the playoffs is what exactly? NOTHING. Ask the Pats if getting to the playoffs this year was anything special? The goal is to win a Superbowl, not just get to the playoffs. We are so used to being crap we would settle & be happy with a playoff appearance.

And YES, why is it hard to fathom that because of Penny's accuracy, he was one of the better Qb's in the NFL? He was certainly in the top half of QB's in the NFL. The only team to really win without a QB in recent memory is the Ravens in 2000 but they had the run game & the all time D to carry them.

The only manner that the fan will get noticed is when he/she is not at the games.

No amount of postings will make a difference.

You want to send a message, stay home or do something else on game day, even if it is just for one game.

Let's say these people lay an egg in the upcoming draft and fail to improve the team in the off season well, on home opening day send the message you are all trying to send here by staying home. Pass the word around and see if even once Dolphins fans can do something else besides false bravado.

OK guys....I'm going to check out. Not sure how we even got started on this but there's work to be done....

Cheers

Joe,

I usually agree with what you say, but your earlier post regarding the number one pick is off. Getting the number one pick in 2012 draft doesn't guaranty a great player? Does it? No!!!

The reality is that we need a solid QB. Period

Posted by: d-dense | January 19, 2011 at 11:06 AM

D-dense, next year Luck is the #1 overall pick. He's as close to a sure bet as Manning was, or so people say. I don't want to tank, but if we did next year, the rewards would be huge.

Joe,

Why is it do hard for you to just answer a question? What I asked is, before the 2008 season started, did you have Chad Pennington ranked as a top ten QB in the NFL. I don't want a book, or explanations, just and yes or a no.

Guys, the BIGGEST reason we're in the place we are, and the Jets are in the place they are, is because Bill Parcells decided to go with his boy, Tony Sparano, as Coach over Rex Ryan, who he advised the Jets to take as their Coach. Rex Ryan has a MUCH better understanding of football, the NFL, and how to win than Sparano does. Plus, WE'D have Bart Scott, WE'D have Jim Leonhard and the guys Ryan brought from the Ravens.

That's our problem. The other coaches in the AFC East have a better understanding of winning in this league than our coaches do. Hands down.

And Craig, your theory on winning without good QB's is false. Mark in To debunked it already.

Winning a division in 2008 and losing your playoff game is not winning. Winning means Championships. Almost every single SB winner in recent memory has a good QB.

The Ravens of 2000 were an anamoly. They were carried by an all time great Defense. I don't know why you are trying to argue a point that cannot be made.

And yes, in 2008, I repeat, Pennington was in the top half of the league in QB's. Maybe not top 10. The fact is, he won nothing that year.

See....now I'm not going to get an answer....you'd be a GREAT politican, Joe,,,,,seriously!

So, just to recap. We could have had Mike Tomlin, we ended up with Cam Cameron. We could have had Rex Ryan, we ended up with Tony Sparano. We could have had Bill Cowher, we ended up with Tony Sparano.

Why are we wondering how we got here?

Joe,

Why is it do hard for you to just answer a question? What I asked is, before the 2008 season started, did you have Chad Pennington ranked as a top ten QB in the NFL. I don't want a book, or explanations, just and yes or a no.

Posted by: Craig M | January 19, 2011 at 11:10 AM

Craig, you're pulling your stupid act again. I already answered you 3 times. Either you cannot read or you ignore what debunks your theory. 0x80, myself, bill & countles sothers have the same qualm with you. When the facts we present don't mesh with you, you pull the same crap. "Why don't you answer"

My wuestin to you does not change "Can you read"?

So Joe, just to clairfy, Chad Pennington, coming into 2008 was NOT a top 10 QB right?

Joe,

I know everyones talking about Luck, still the transition from college ball to pro is quantum leap. There's no way to say that Luck will bring us luck. In my experience it's always the QB everyone passes on that becomes the star. Obviously, Marino and Brady fit that prototype.

"Parcells said he probably would have hired Ryan on the spot for the Dolphins had he not been so close to Tony Sparano, who served on Parcells' staff with the Dallas Cowboys."

"I was very impressed with Rex when I met with him," Parcells told O'Connor. "I could just sense that, 'Hey, this guy's going to have a chance.' "

Parcells was a great source for everyone but the team who paid for his services, the Miami Dolphins. SUCKERS!

Bill, not sure how you read my post? I did not make any prediction. And I did not think anything big this year.

What I wrote which was fact, is the Phins were the trendy start of year SB pick like we often seem to be. It was us and 49ers this year.

Next year, we are not on anyone's radar, and those are the years, some how that this team always seems to have an overacheiving year. so I was giving a positive spin.

For you Craig:

Because of his accuracy, Penny was in the top 12 @ 10:51

And YES, why is it hard to fathom that because of Penny's accuracy, he was one of the better Qb's in the NFL? He was certainly in the top half of QB's in the NFL. @11:07

And yes, in 2008, I repeat, Pennington was in the top half of the league in QB's. Maybe not top 10. The fact is, he won nothing that year. @ 11:13

So please Craig, keep showing everyone how childish you can be and telling people no one answers you. You REALLY need to learn how to read!

Craig M, just based on pennies stats from 2008 you'd have to say he was a top 10 QB. He's done better than any other QB in how many years (before/since). Based on our AFC title that year, I'd say he was there.

You LOVE to evade Joe. So we're agreed he was NOT a top ten QB coming into the 2008 season. Isn't that what I originally said then 'You can win in this league without a top 10 QB'. Case closed! So why all this stuff about him being the 'most accurate passer in NFL history stuff'? I didn't say anything about that. The point is we won our divsion WITHOUT a top ten passer and HOSTED a playoff game. Yes, the point is to win championships and yes we looked terrible against the Ravens but the point is to make the playoffs every year and anything can happen, as the Jets and Packers are showing this year, as the Cardinals showed a couple of years ago and as other teams have shown. I'll take that EVERY year as a Dolphins fan and I'm sure 98 per cent of the people on here would to. The point is to make the playoffs and anything can happen when you get there, as the Falcons and Patriots have shown this year.

Why are you guys arguing over Penny anyway?

d-dense,

What I said was BEFORE the 2008 season, before he came to the Dolphins I highly doubt anybody out there had him as a top ten QB. If he was, after he was cut by the Jets, teams would have been lined up to get him, as a couple of teams did when Brett Favre ws available.

Just stick to the conversation Joe and don't try to make thinks personal....

Chad Pennington's 2007 numbers :

9 games played, 1765 yards passing, 10 TDs and 9 INTs....season ended with a shoulder injury

Chad's 2006 season:

16 games played, 3652 yards passing, 17Tds and 16 INTs

I'm going to suggest going into 2008, nobody thought of him as a top ten QB in the league.


Ok Dolphins fan you have to listen to Bernie Kosar about Brian Daboll its at http://www.wqam.com/ It's very interesting if anyone knows about Cleveland It's Bernie


Correction on his 2007 season. His season did not end with a shoulder injury. He was benched throughout the season by 2nd year player Kellen Clemens. I'll suggest not top ten QB in the league at the point.

You LOVE to evade Joe. So we're agreed he was NOT a top ten QB coming into the 2008 season. Isn't that what I originally said then 'You can win in this league without a top 10 QB'. Case closed! So why all this stuff about him being the 'most accurate passer in NFL history stuff'? I didn't say anything about that. The point is we won our divsion WITHOUT a top ten passer and HOSTED a playoff game. Yes, the point is to win championships and yes we looked terrible against the Ravens but the point is to make the playoffs every year and anything can happen, as the Jets and Packers are showing this year, as the Cardinals showed a couple of years ago and as other teams have shown. I'll take that EVERY year as a Dolphins fan and I'm sure 98 per cent of the people on here would to. The point is to make the playoffs and anything can happen when you get there, as the Falcons and Patriots have shown this year.

Posted by: Craig M | January 19, 2011 at 11:20 AM

Holy sh*t dude, Seriously? LMAO You're doing it again! To me, bill, 0x80, flapjack, & on & on & on. I refuse to talk to someone who cannot comprehend English that doesn't jive with his rhetoric.

I leave it at this. Whether he was top 10, 20 or 100 is IRRELEVANT. Mark in To already smashed your theory. Your point makes ZERO sense. Teams without QB's don't win SUPERBOWLS. PERIOD. You're clinging to 2008 as if getting to the playoffs is something special. It was a fluke.

You point to 1 example in 2000 which has not happened since or in recent memory prior to it.

I define Winning as championships. You define it as getting your doors blown off in your 1st playoff game. If all you want is playoff appearances, Henne may be your man. The rest of us want Titles.

Please learn to read & understand what you read. You are severely deficient in those areas. SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!

Craig,

My point is that the QB position in today's NFL can mean the difference between wining and losing. Yes, having several good receivers and a good RB augment that, but to me the QB is the number 1 spot to fill. We have a good receiver in Marshall. I just hope we get someone that can help fill Henne's void asap.

Baring that, we are doomed to to continue repeating the mistakes Parcells, Ireland and Sparano have made.

Try and stick to the facts Joe. Stop trying to make it personal. You do a GREAt job of evading! Seriously.....political career in your calling....you'd be good at it.

Stick to the facts...

Joe,

ou and everybody else on here would trade places with the Jets right now in a heartbeat! Two years in a row they are in the Conferene Championship game. Only one team can win a championship every year and I'd like us to at least have a chance. The Jets are doing it with a top ten or elite QB. That's a FACT.

More than anything we need to get a solid O-line that can play at least 2 seasons together barring injury, then all the pieces come together.

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