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Troy Drayton shares thoughts on the Dolphins

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Dolphins players and former players have been telling you what they think about all things relative to the franchise in the days since the regular season ended and owner Stephen Ross flirted with the idea of replacing Tony Sparano in a manner that failed protocol.

Former tight end Troy Drayton, who played in Miami from 1996-99, was a guest on Armando and the Amigo on 640-Sports in South Florida and I share with you the interview above.

Drayton shares his opinion of the season. He shares his opinion of the last few weeks (hint: he used the word "fiasco"). I asked him if people like you, the fans, will forgive and forget going forward.

Eventually the conversation turned to Chad Henne. Drayton saw what you saw. "He regressed," he said.

But Drayton has an interesting take on Henne going forward. Drayton also talked about Tyler Thigpen, whom he apparently likes more than Henne at this point.

Click the link and listen.

And come back later as I'll upload an interview we did with former University of Miami, New York Giants, St. Louis Cardinals RB O.J. Anderson. You will appreciate the story he gives you about how Bill Parcells dealt with him back in the day.

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@ Gary Stevens,

Thanks for the horror show recap!

It has been an embarrassing and difficult last 15 years for the Dolphins.

AndyNJ,

"McNabb lead his team to 5 nfc championship games".

This sounds more like a glistening resume for a HC candidate than an aging qb. We needed him in his prime while he was giving prime time virtuoso performance. That's over with man, its now time for the curtain calls.

I dont wanna bring McNabb to Miami for his curtain call. His virtuoso performances were in Philly not here. Let him recieve his cat calls and do his bows there where he has earned them!

DC Dolfan,

Miami QBs do stink but which one was actually any good to begin with. Henne couldn't win big at Michigan with like 15 other future NFL players. Culpepper stunk without Moss and a bummed knee. AJ Feely was only good for offense that eveey QB puts some sort of numbers up in Philly (McNabb, Feeley, Kolb, Vick, Detmer). Beck was a freaking mormon. Pat White was picked about 15 rounds to early lol.

Miami has just had a bad front office since I can remember. They are not good at evalutating talent. Until that problem is solved Miami is 7-9

I too like the Joe Lombardi for OC idea.

Him and O'Brian from the Pats staff are my current favorites.

Both have experience in dynamic, innovative offenses. Both are young. Both have seen what good B's do.

DC Dolfan,

yeah this past season McNabb wasn't very good but he had less to work with there then he would have in Miami. I am not saying McNabb is any sort of long term answer. He is a bridge for 2 years until Miami can develop a young guy to take over. So basically its Pennington/Henne all over with out either of them 2 in the equation.

Andy, the Miami QB who was good to begin with was.....ummm......still thinking......almost there.....ok, stumped, you got me! LOL!

Meant to write, both have sen what good QB's do.

AndyJ,

Not berating your opinion, just scared to death of bringing in the 2nd coming of Culpepper. Dont wanna pay big dollars or draft picks for that. Absolutely zero upside in McNabb.

I dont see Mcnabb as a bridge to anywhere. I only see him as a wet sock in muddy water!

DyingBreed,

Fair enough but Miami can't go into next season with Henne as the starter and Sparano as Head Coach and resign Ronnie. They need to add a veteran QB whether that be McNabb or someone like that to compete and give the rookie time to develop and not ruin the rookie and throw him to the wolves.

As you can see Henne is out to me. He stinks. He had time to sit and learn for a year then make mistakes for his 1st year as a starter and then Miami gets him a legit #1 WR and he still looks like a deer in headlights. Henne sucks. At some point Henne defenders even should be smart enough to realize Henne makes the bad throws and ints. Think about what the Henne supporters say that it was pounded to not take chances and throw ints yet he manages to throw them and have 14 straight games with a turnover.

I would much rather see V Young than McNabb.

McNabb is done. DB is right his virtuoso days are over.

Meanwhile VY has a lot let in the tank.

An excellent win/loss record.

Adds an escapability the offense has lacked for a long time.

His mental issues MIGHT be improved with a fresh start and perhaps meds.

Does not require giving up draft picks.

Despite the problems, VY has way more up side than McNabb or just about any other QB that could possible be picked up.

Andy,

Anybody but Henne!

Armando

Not long ago, you asked us about our opinion regarding anything.

Please inform Troy Drayton that we value his opinion. If he wants to use the word, "fiasco", let him do it. Tell him we need an honest evaluation no matter who it pisses off.

Thank you.

I still say the best salvageble solution is too bring in more consistent pieces around Henne. 3rd and longs were Henne's greatest nemesis last season. If we can get a few better pieces helping to reduce some of those we instantly become a more efficient offense in 2011. Chad had no issues when faced with 3rd and shorts in 2010.

DyingBreed,

I don't see any upside or any Elway-esque in McNabb but I personally think he is still good on the downside of good. He is still a starter that can get you to 8-8 at worst with this roster. I say 8-8 because well for one that is better then the past 2 years but also because if Miami did the right thing and let Ronnie go and got a young RB or DeAngelo Williams in FA they could get a win or 2 more. Miami is far from a contender but at best maybe a lower end playoff team with a few more wins.


That would give this rookie I created in my head lol a few years to learn from a professional which McNabb is and also not be thrown to the wolves

Is this Childress talk just blog stuff or is this real?

Sun Sentinel's latest mock draft has us talking Ryan Mallett. I would be very happy - provided of course that we give this guy a proper QB coach that understands what he is good at.

Drayton had some great points. There was definately a communication breakdown on the offensive side of the ball this past season.

Hopefully the next OC can fix problems on the offensive side of the ball much like Nolan helped fix a young defense.

It's kind of funny that what is talked about on this blog in regards to the QB situation is exactly what sports radio in Phoenix is talking about. Draft a QB in the 1st round and pick up a veterain. Same names are coming up too.

Arizona was a case study in the value of a top QB. They went from a Super Bowl contender to a top five draft pick in one year. Since no one cared for my Kitna suggestion my next favorite would be Kyle Orton. He's not afraid to air it out, is smart and has some relationship with Marshall. Of course he's wildly inconsistant too.

IF YOU ASK ANY BROWN YOUNG DONKEY ,HE WOULD TELL YOU THE SAME THING TROY DRAYTON SAID .

Mark, espn.com. welcome to the conversation.

AndyJ,

Another big issue with McNabb is even if we're in a position to sign him he'll probably want far more money than he's actually worth at this point in his career. Have you seen Momma McNabb doing any soup commercials lately? Momma McNabb's unemployed Donavon needs money!

Oregon Dolphin fan,

I was huge on VY in college. I think he is a gamer but that worked in college not the NFL. He can't be a leader when he quits on his team and coach when things don't go his way.

On the contrary McNabb has been thrown under the bus several times by coaches and players and still manages to be successful.

I am not saying he is the answer. Who gets the answer through free agency? You have to draft a guy anyway to be your future franchise. Even if Miami picks a QB at #15 (Locker, Mallet, Newton) they are enough warts that they can't start right away and need to sit and learn from a PROFESSIONAL not a sulking malcontent like VY

Chris, what're they saying in Phoenix? Lay some names on us. I wouldn't put Henne as low as Anderson....Well, those last 3 games, ok, yeah, he's Anderson.

McNabb = Culpepper

We DO NOT want to go there....trust me.

DyingBreed,

McNabb may want money but it aint our money. Only in the last 5 years or so when contracts became know to the public do people care about how much is spend on a FA. Give him 2 year 20 million with 15 guaranteed I could care less. Not my money.

VY will want more.

DB what is your answer to draft a guy and let him and Henne duke it out or ?

DB, McNabb won't cost a high draft pick, as the Redskins degraded his value with all their shenanigans. But you're right, he would cost a lot of money.

Chris, I'm thinking like you, I wouldn't mind Kitna/Orton or someone like that for a couple years. No one that will blow anyone's socks off, but guys that can at least make a throw every now and then.

DC,

WHAT MAKES YOU KNOW IF HENNE WILL BE FINE OR NOT NEXT YEAR ?


ALSO, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU KNOW WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT

DC, YOU NEED A QB TO WIN FOR THE TEAM NOT A QB TO MAKE DEALS WITH .

I would be fine with Orton as a stop gap to but McNabb will be easier to obtain because he is ultimately going to get cut. No one will want to pay his contract and McNabb won't restructure for just any team he will have to want to sign there. If Miami did indeed sign Childress they may be an incentive. Plus Miami has more to work with then AZ does. Barely more but nontheless more.

Chris623,

I welcome the Kitna idea because he's a vet that can come on the real cheap. Since we arent going to get a vet who will equate to no more than 2 more wins at best. There's no since in overpaying him to boot.

Kitna offers experience at a bargain basement price. Basically all we need is a game manager while trying to groom a young qb. No sense firing up the money wagons or giving up valuable picks to do that!

I am hopeful that Dolphins DO NOT draft a QB with the 1st pick.

The team desperately needs a impact big speed WR to balance BM. Julio Jones. I think that is obvious.

Now all the offensive talent in the world will be squandered by Mr FG.

So the team has to find a good and hopefully young and innovative OC. That part is essential if the Dolphins are going to move forward.

Sparano is somehow kept out of the planning room and has his 'voice' muted on the sideline with all things to do with the playcalling and talking to position players.

Make him fist pump on the sideline quietly.

Henne will look better due to addition by subtraction (Henning, Lee). Keep Henne to compete.

Signing VY would upgrade the QB position and potentially be the answer for a long time.

Then draft the Nevada kid to groom for down the line.

Wait the Dolphins already signed another Dallas retread QB? is that right?

Looks like that plan is screwed up already. Darn.

I LOVE SEEING THE GANG OF DEFEAT SIT HERE AND DIVIDE THE WORLD WITH ALL THE TRASH QB'S OUT THERE AS IF THEY DIDN'T LEARN ANY THING FROM LAST YEAR .

YOU GUYS SOUND LIKE FRY COOKES .

There has been a lot of McNabb to AZ speculation due to the fact he lives here in the off season. Have also heard Vince Young, Orton, Alex Smith, Bulger and Hasselbeck. As for rookies the usual suspects come up, Mallett, Newton and Gabbert. I believe the coach in AZ "gets it" that they need a top young QB and think they will go QB in the 1st round.

Funny thing is they had two rookie QBs on the team in '10' but there is a lot of speculation whether either has what it takes to succeed, especially Max Hall who reminds me of another John Beck.

There has been a lot of McNabb to AZ speculation due to the fact he lives here in the off season. Have also heard Vince Young, Orton, Alex Smith, Bulger and Hasselbeck. As for rookies the usual suspects come up, Mallett, Newton and Gabbert. I believe the coach in AZ "gets it" that they need a top young QB and think they will go QB in the 1st round.

Funny thing is they had two rookie QBs on the team in '10' but there is a lot of speculation whether either has what it takes to succeed, especially Max Hall who reminds me of another John Beck.

I know this isn't the regime's style but I would trade the 3rd for Kyle Orton (he's only 26 and sign him as a long term stop gap - his year this year was great statistically - yards and TDS to INT ratio). If there is a QB the team likes at #15, draft him or take an OT. Hopefully a TE that you can use to complement Fasano is available in the 4th and use free agency to get a WR and a RB and a G if you drafted a QB in round 1. It's a very expensive way to build the offense but what do you expect - it's been ignored and mismanaged to the nth degree.

Childress seems like a funny fit - not a Coryell guy at all.

ALoco, let's see:
- Henne could never win the big game in college, even though he had an all-star team around him
- Henne went 7-9 2 years running
- Henne has more INTs than TDs in the NFL
- Henne could hardly be counted on to make a 1st down at the end there
- Henne has ZERO leadership skills
- Sparano/Ireland/Henning AND D. Lee don't trust the guy
– A ProBowler B. Marshall said Thigpen is better

I mean, should I go on, or you think that's enough?

And, what makes me think I know what I'm talking about? Well, I don't come on here making all kind of idiotic statements that get debunked in 2 seconds like, "AARON ROGERS TO RETIRE IN 2 DAYS DUE TOO MANY CONCUSSIONS," and in the process act like the Tucson Shooter putting holes in the English language. Sound like anyone you know ALoco?

It's called opinion buddy, break open that dictionary you forgot to unwrap and look it up!

AndyJ,

How do you figure we have more than Phoenix to work with? They have Fitzgerald, Breaston we have Marshall Hartline as #1 and #1wr's.

Marshall and Fiztgerald flip a coin in tha air and however it lands you would gladly accept. But I would clearly accept Steve Breaston over Brian Hartline.

Also though he seems to be having some injury issues too. I would clearly take the much younger Beenie Wells over Ronnie Brown right now too. Where is our advantage?

Oregon, I like Julio Jones too - I wouldn't be disappointed if the team went that way too. He looks every bit as good as Dez Bryant before him.

Fitzgerald is light years better than Marshall. Team leader too.

Childress is a smart guy. He wasn't at his best as a HC all the time, but he is very good as an OC. I remember watching his offenses with guys like Todd Stinkston and James Thrash as the receivers with Chad Lewis and a little used Westbrook/Duce Staley backfield put up very good numbers as a whole and win games not just play not to lose.

I would be in favor of a guy like Childress.

DC, IT ALL A QB COACH PROBLEMS ...........HENNE PLAYED SCARE AND HIS HANDS TIED .HE OLNLY STARTED I FULL YEAR WITH 500 RECORD.


LET'S SEE AND WAIT FOR THE NEXT YEAR W/NEW QB AND NEW OC .

P.S... I KNOW YOU GOT TO POST ALL DAY AND YOU NEED A HOT TOPIC .

How old is Bulger? And what happened to him with the Rams? He was pretty good once, but I remember his time didn't end well.

Tory Drayton is half the TE Jeron Mastrud is!

Andy NJ,

VY is a proven winner despite the problems with Fisher. He had a personality conflict. perhaps he just needs a fresh start?

I view VY as having the biggest potential up side without giving draft picks.

I don't feel overly confident arguing for VY.

I want a dynamic offense for the Dolphins and am open to some controversy and to taking some chances to see that happen.

There is a lot to me malcontented with in the Dolphins. And by that I specifically mean Sparano.

I'd like to see some more discontent out of Henne.

Ultimately, I do not believe Sparano/Ireland are capable of making the right moves and will squash or squander every opportunity to make this team dynamic offensively and relevant to the the league.

DyingBreed,

Well as a whole Miami does have more. A better defense which is something a QB can't control but can rely on. How many times did Henne leave them out to dry? Miami's D comes up big only to be on the field after a 3 and out because a 3 yard rush and a sack (due to Henne having no idea where to go with the ball) and next play incompletion. So a D better then AZ for one.

As far as Marshall and Fitz. I would take Fitz no doubt. But after that a reliable slot is invaluable to a QB. And Bess is very good out of the slot. Even Henne managed to throw to Bess. Hartline is a #3 or #4 at best and so is Breaston. The year Breaston has 1000 yards he was single covered as a #3 because of Fitz and Boldin. And also a 3 time Pro Bowler protecting his blindside and Carey who when in shape is good.

I say advantage Miami by far as the more complete better team. And this was all considering Miami signs Childress which McNabb would want to be in a familiar system I would think after watching him in Wash this past year.

ALoco, he'll get his chance to show what he has. Won't stop Ireland from either picking up a veteran or drafting a QB or both. Which shows you how anxious the leadership is in seeing Henne and Thigpen battling it out at camp in the summer.

Troy Drayton said if you can't do it in practice, then the coach shouldn't put the play in the game. Greg z then commented how at camp Henne looked HORRIBLE, and ONLY threw check-downs.

What did we see during the year? I think the point is crystal clear. New OC, new QB Coach, heck, get the guy a new headset, but the jersey will still say "Henne" right? Then it'll probably see the same old mediocrity.

I suspect Sparano will draft Jake Locker with the 1st pick and we will be told that he is the answer.

DC, WE AGREE THEN ,WE SIGN A NEW QB AND DRAFT ANOTHER AND LET THE BEST PLAY ....

DC....YOU R TRYING TO BE FUNNY ABOUT HENNE ,THAT'S FINE UNTIL YOU EAT YOUR WORDS .

Oregon Dolphin

I wouldn't argue VY has upside but his attitude stinks. A fresh start may do him good. I don see VY have his moments. I remember VY looking like a top QB zipping TDs and throwing balls all over a bad Miami secondary in 09.

I just worry about a guy who has his mental make up and immaturity in a city like Miami.

I truly believe most guys can't handle Miami. They don't prepare like they would if they were in Green Bay or some other city.

We need to trade down and let somebody else jump in there if they want one of these Q.B.`s I am very iffy on all of them. I would go rec., guard, r.b., in the 1st. three rounds and in that order. I personally like next years q.b. situation better and I`m feeling Oklahoma St. Q.B. flying under the radar, plus we will have our full compliment of picks in case we need to deal and move up for our guy and yes Julio Jones would be huge opposite Marshall with Bess in the slot.

I don't understand what some of you could had possibly seen in Thigpen to even consider him for a starting position. The guy bombed when he was handed the opportunity to be a starter.

Newton as the number one pick? Pleeeeease!

Better keep your day jobs.


Keep telling you guys I think adding better pieces around henne is the best solution. Bob Griese didnt look like the best of answers at qb in the beginning either. But they had so many great pices around him it almost made it impossible for him to fail.

By the time Czonka, Warfield, and Kiick defected Griese had been to 2 SB's winning two. So buy then so much confidence had been built within that he still could not fail even after losing half of his entire championship offense.

I agree with ALoco, bring in Chris Palmer who has already worked with and won a championship with Chad Henne's emotionless robotic clone, Eli Manning. The guys already understands how to work with a qb like Henne(Eli Manning). Then upgrade pieces around him.

Palmer may even be able to make Thigpen a better qb. David Lee was awful. If judge our qb position by what David Lee was able to accomplish it could be a HUGE MISTAKE!

NO CBA NO FREE AGENCY!!!!!!!!

All these hasbeen never gonna be QB's that have been mentioned are not in play without a new CBA. Get it in your heads!!!!

Sparano and Ireland have to turn things round this year, extension or no extension. The only sure way to get a new QB is in the draft 1st round, if they pass on a QB in the draft they are gambling that 1: Free Agency will happen 2: if it does they can land their guy and bring him up to speed in time with whatever system they have in place.

Personally I hope they bomb big time, 2012 No 1 overall pick, Andrew Luck QB and a new HC, thankyou lord!!!!

If V.Y. comes to Miami I will give you the Headine "N.F.L. player found dead in a Miami beach hotel room of an apparent drug overdose all though police are not ruling out a possible suicide" sad but very possible with that head case and if not can you imagine him in the same huddle with Marshall, can you say disfunction or how about cancer.

Phinaddict,

I had the same thought about next years QB class.

As much as I want the Dolphins to go big speed WR 1st pick, I doubt Sparano will allow it.

He loves the mediocre Hartline too much.

Yes, that's what I've always said. Sign a vet this year if you're not gonna draft a QB (or do both). Henne is still under contract, so throw him in the mix for sh*ts and giggles. Best player starts, Henne is backup (most likely).

I'll be the first one here ALoco for you to making a heaping dish of "eat your words." I don't mind being wrong.

But when I'm proven right, don't start coming on here like, "oh, that wasn't me, someone was writing as me..." This is THE ALoco I'm speaking to, right? Just so we're all clear.

Cause when Henne is benched, or never plays another down as a starter again, there's gonna be a lot of egg to be passed around to put on many people's faces. And I know it's not about that, but that's what it is.

I am a firm believer that history repeats itself, the more you know about the past the better you could prepare for the future. I truly think some team out their will find a Franchise QB that will lead them to a Super Bowl. I hope that Team is Miami. And I agree with a lot of the comments on hear saying Mcnamb = Culpeper. Look people Mike Shanahan is a high caliber coach who nows QB's, if he is dumping Mcnamb why the falcon would Miami get him. And im sure their is a Drew Brees out their that i hope miami doesnt pass up on this time. Everyone know the fins dropped the ball on Brees but Coach Payton is a huge reason why the won that SB and Miami who'd have not came close with all those boso Coaches and poor decision making GM's. Who should our next QB be i don't know, that will depend on who our OC and OB coach is.

ALOCO IS RIGHT! WE'RE JUDGING OUR QB POSITION BY WHAT DAVID LEE WAS ABLE TO DO.

ALOCO I AGREE WITH YOU 100% TO BRING IN CHRIS PALMER AND SURROUND HENNE WITH BETTER TALENT. MAYBE PALMER MAKES THIGPEN BETTER TOO. DAVID LEE WAS A COMPLETE BUM AS QB COACH.

YOU GUYS SHOULD LISTEN, ALOCOS REALLY ONTO SOMETHING AND THIS TIME IT ISNT DRUGS! DONT UNDERESTIMATE OUR ALOCO!

DAVID LEE WAS THE BUM NOT OUR QB'S!

OUR BIGGEST 2011 OFFSEASON ACQUISTION MAYBE THE ONE WE LOST. DAVID LEE!

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