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And Sun Life needs a partial roof why?

In North Texas, an arctic cold front is chilling folks to the bone and has airports in the region on minute-to-minute status with flight delays and runway closings. Schools and businesses in the area are closed. Transit isn't running at 100 percent.

North Texas hosts Super Bowl 45 on Sunday.

In Indianapolis, the feels-like temp is 13-degrees F with a 100 percent chance of precipitation today and tonight and snow expected tomorrow.

Indianapolis hosts Super Bowl 46 next February.

In the metro New York area, it's 35 degrees F with ice pellets dropping from the sky, depending on where you're located. There is also a light, freezing rain in the air and there's a 40 percent chance of snow this weekend.

New York hosts Super Bowl 48 in 2014.

Can someone remind me why the Dolphins and the NFL want to put a partial roof over Sun Life Stadium again?

Last year when the Super Bowl last visited South Florida, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell carried water for the Dolphins, saying he believes Sun Life Stadium needs a partial roof and some significant lighting upgrades so it and South Florida can ensure itself a continued presence in the Super Bowl rotation.

After it rained during the February 2007 Super Bowl at the facility, Goodell fielded complaints from sponsors and other NFL bigwigs upset they got wet on Super Sunday in South Florida. Nevermind that the temps locally were in the 70s.

Well, that worked for a me for a minute.

And then the NFL waived its weather requirements and awarded the game to New York, with its ugly, non-descript, open-air, $1.6 billion stadium in the swamplands of the Meadowlands. And the NFL encouraged Tampa Bay -- in the same state as Miami and with an open air stadium -- to continue bidding for future Super Bowls with no mention of that area needing a roof on its stadium.

And suddenly that rain complaint rang empty.

Then the NFL awarded a Super Bowl to Indianapolis. And the idea that sponsors have to be somewhere warm and fun and sunny got tossed because Indy is none of those this time of year.

Then the NFL awarded a Super Bowl to New Orleans for 2013. And the idea the NFL requires you to have a new stadium to vie for and win a Super Bowl bid got tossed because the Lousiana Superdome opened in 1975, a decade before Joe Robbie Stadium.

So all of the NFL's arguments for Sun Life Stadium and South Florida not being adequate Super Bowl venues are thus ... to put delicately ... crap.

The truth is the NFL was interested in lighting upgrades at Sun Life and those are legit with today's new HD and LED TVs requiring more specialized lighting. But that upgrade would cost perhaps a few million dollars -- nowhere near the quarter-billion or so the Dolphins are seeking to do all of the upgrades for their stadium.

The truth is it is the Dolphins that want the partial roof.Sun-Life-rendering

And the truth is they do no wish to pay for it.

The club has hired lobbyists, gone before local county commissions, and had numerous meetings and ear-tugging sessions with state legislators, just so the upgrades that primarily include the partial roof can be paid for by, well, someone else.

This, by the way, is a significant break from the history of the facility. Joe Robbie built the place on his own dime. Wayne Huizenga signed off on approximately $250 million worth of renovations and upgrades as late as 2008.

Now Stephen Ross, Miami's new owner, wants public funding (tax dollars) going to the next upgrade. Oh, he makes the case the dollars would be siphoned from hotel bed tax sources, meaning tourists would basically pay the freight. He also makes the case those tax dollars cannot be used on, say, police or books or fire fighters or teachers. And, of course, he makes the case that adding a roof to the stadium could, possibly, perhaps, maybe, bring another Super Bowl and the economic boon that comes with it to South Florida in the next decade.

But Ross does not mention in his argument other factoids.

The fact is other local facilities were in line for those bed tax dollars before Sun Life Stadium. Ross doesn't mention that local hotels are in competition with places abroad like Mexico or the Bahamas or Puerto Rico and thus could lose business if word gets out South Florida is a much more expensive place to stay and vacation. (Quickie aside, last year the Dolphins partnered with the Bahamas, encouraging Dolfans to travel there, even while South Florida beaches and hotels could have used more business.)

But I digress.

Ross doesn't mention that South Florida might get a Super Bowl in the next decade anyway. And he doesn't volunteer to cover the difference if the economy that remains in recession mode now gets worse and there's a shortfall of bed tax dollars to cover the cost of his stadium upgrades. Such a shortfall might then be the responsibility of tax funds that do go to police and other services.

All this while Ross is calling for a no-huddle attack during early season home games so the Dolphins can use the hot weather advantage they enjoy early each season -- an advantage the addition of a partial roof might dilute.

Having said all this, I have to think about where I stand on this partial roof idea. I have to consider the meaning of this idea and the manner it is being presented. I have to regard how much trust I have in the politicians and lobbyists that would be behind it. I have to consider where I believe the economy is likely to head and what effect losing one Super Bowl might or might not have on my town. I have to regard that billionair Stephen Ross wants tourists to pay for upgrades to his stadium.

Considering ....

Still considering ....

And then I have to tell you, if Ross wants to drop a partial roof on his staduim, he is more than welcome to do so. It's his stadium, after all.

But buy the argument about it being an NFL requirement for having nice weather at the Super Bowl? No. Buy the idea that it will bring more Super Bowls to town? No. Buy the idea of paying for it with public monies? Oh, hell no! 

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I said it before, I'll say it again.,The addition of cast-offs and off-spring added to the Miami coaching staff and retaining a head coach that's clearly over his head well either make Stephen(Hollywood)Ross a complete Genius or a clueless buffoon..(I'am betting on the latter by the way)

Posted by: Cuban Menace | February 01, 2011 at 11:43 AM

football is meant to be played outdoors regardless of weather or how it looks on tv, putting a roof on an outdated stadium is dumb imo.

Ross is a Tool of the NFL(And his own pockets too)I hope all the "Corporate"Sponsors enjoy the 15 degree weather they'll have in the next 3 years.... Hope they develop pneumonia, a few less "Fat cats" in the world couldn't hurt...

Armando, I have disagreed with your opinions in the past, but you have really hit this one on the head. Well done..........

Armando....outstanding reporting!

Let Ross & his minority owners ( Williams sister, JLO & hubby, Jimmy Buffet) Pay for a freakin roof!! The ghost of Joe Robbie lives on!!

Was'nt Ross the one that wanted all the night games played in sept. anyway, A true strategist knows that that's to Miami's advantage, Cant help but think someone would have said "Steve, You gotta play those games at 1, It's a huge advantage"... But maybe there to clueless to do that... Just wondering Who is slowly s@cking the life outta the team I grew up with.., Iam MAD...

Forget the roof & Super Bowl in S. Fla. Let the heat, humidity & rain come in. That's part of what made the Dolphins so hard to beat in the first half of the 70's. The Dolphins winning comes first, everything else comes second.

fan: a supporter or enthusiast
game: amusement or pastime, something played for FUN

Unless Stephen Ross is on this blog, then no one here owns the team. Check out Twitter, Hartline, Sean Smith, Langford, Wake, what are they tweeting? Snow skiing, partying having a good time. NONE of them is on here talking about football or the Dolphins.

Nobody here has any investment in this team. NONE. Your life will not change one iota if the team wins or loses. Stephen Ross, Tony Sparano and the rest of the coaches dont read or care what anyone here says.


If your lives are so effected by the Dolphins winning or losing, you need to see a psychatrist, TODAY

A game, played by grown men for our entertainment

God Forbid any "Fat Cats" Or B-List celebrities get a little wet or sweaty... LMAOROTF on what a buffoon Ross is, Also the NFL hates the fins(EG questionable calls the last couple years) And this non-sense that the stadium needs a roof......Like I said I hope they all enjoy the freezing,slushy weather..Unbelievable..

Let me get this straight. Is the NFL saying that if a roof is not added Miami will be out of the running because it might rain? If that is the case. Call their bluff. See how all the sponsors whine about nothing to do because it is freezing cold in New York, or there is nothing to do in Indianapolis. Where would you rather spend a week in Febuary? The Super Bowl is almost not even about the game for the people that get to go anymore. It's about the week of parties, making buisness deals, ultimetly leading up to the game. Lets see, spend a week in convention rooms, or outside playing golf or fishing in the Keys?

Don't let the NFL hold the town hostage. Miami is the perfect place to hold this event. Don't take municipal funds to take on a project that is unwarranted. That money could be better invested into community projects, and local infrastrucure. Just my point of view.

Management cares about money first, winning second. That's the reality.

? man-do.?. they need a roof to protect the 69000 empty seats come next season from all of the seagull, pigeon and volture poop that will be rainng down in buckets every game day.lmao!!!!!

and the henne homers will say that a roof will help him read through his progressions faster. another excuse for that putz.lmao!!!!

Testify Darryl...........................That's what Iam trying to convey, Actually now that the NFL has snubbed Miami, Make them pay to play the game in Miami, Tampa's nice but it's still Tampa, Jacksonville is a cesspool(Yes the Cuban has lived there)The Only place comparable is San Diego or New Orleans....

Mando, I'm pretty sure bobbyd12 has no problem paying some extra tax dollars for the partial roof. It's HIS stadium (and he so lovingly tells us out-of-staters). It's HIS neck that gets red in the Sun during game days, and it's HIS skin that will get damaged by aforementioned Sun.

So, as far as I'm concerned, tax away (Florida residents aren't taxed enough as it is). Welcome to the Northern way, tax and spend.

How exactly did Stephen Ross make his billions? I don't feel I'm looking at a shrewd business man when I look at him.

After whats happening with the weather in dallas, they will be begging miami to host every 3rd year!

Bobbyd12, If you're not a FAN and the Dolphins winning or losing doesn't effect you in any way... then why take the time to visit, read and comment on blogs?

If we pay for their room, Ross and his, and hte NFLs cronies, will not lose a minute of sleep knowing they stole (effectively) the money that could have been used other important things (education, infastructure) or even lowering taxes. He thinks he is the center of the universe.

Hell no, let Ross pay he brought this debacle on himself!!!

Matt from Brooklyn, where did you get that from. How about Marshall, how about Dansby, Long, Pennigton at 5.7 million, Crowder at 6.6 mill, opps oh well. The money from Ross is there. The money mey not be appropriated well, but he spend. Even in the age of the salary cap. One thing Ross isn't is cheap. But he may want to spend it better. Say not smart money not cheap.

It wasn't the lack of a roof that won those SB's at the OB. First, it was a great Team headed by a great Coach. Second, the Fans, real involved Fans. And third, that infernal and slippery Poyturf which Shula knew so well(now, now, don't get mad at me Coach).

I Hope you guy's in Miami in the upcoming Referendum Just say NO to Lil Stevies Follies, and make sure your Neighbors know what's going on with this Shyster.....

bobbyd seems way more adversely affected by this blog than anybody, borderline psycho. for most it is only entertainment, only he spouts hatred and calls people names everyday. maybe he is still sore i finished before he did.

Ross is just following suit. Sports team owners realized that they can get their localities to pay for their needs (stadiums, parking, etc.). Mr. Steinbrenner talked the powers that be in NY to "steal" public park land for low-income residents in the Bronx to build his new Yankee Stadium. So, he took land that was free and open to everyone and made it private and open to only those that had the money to pay to see the Yankees.

That's how these Owners do now. They socialize the expense and privatize the profits. The Washington Nationals owners by committee only had to pay a meager sum to buy the team (I believe 100 million dollars). The rest was put up by the locality (Wash DC, using my tax dollars). You and I are having problems getting a mortgage on a $400,000 house, but 100 million is nothing for our local governments to dish out.

But the poor Owners are too overburdened. Even though they only put up a fraction of the monies, they still aren't happy with their profits. Now they want to lockout the players in the NFL to squeeze more from them. I guess a billion dollars goes fast in this day and age.

It used to be, take from the rich and give to the poor. Now it's take from the poor and give to the rich.

The Rain in May stays mainly in the plain.

Oscar, It was in the 73 season (A year after the turf was installed) That the slip and sliding started, It got so bad that in game 4 (Vs the jets) That they brought out a fire hose at the beginning and at half time and literally soaked the field so the players had enough traction.And besides it being around 92 degrees the water made it feel like 115 on the field, They called it "Miami Heat" the league was in a uproar over this and teams hated to come down here in sept and oct., this continued for three years, Joe Robbie took advantage of this and said he didn't have the money to replace the turf and rode it for 3 years, The NFL finally paid to convert the Orange bowl back to natural turf..

I have a hunch the partial roof and lighting upgrades will eventually be paid by the team and the NFL in conjunction. That wouldn't be unprecedented. The league itself wound up paying for much of the upgrades to the Superdome.

In the meantime, I don't really blame Ross for at least trying to get bed tax money for it. I'm sure they know how unlikely that is (for good reason) but no harm in trying before going to "Plan B."

Just two minor points: First, for those talking about a roof eliminating Miami's "heat advantage" understand that the proposed structure wouldn't cover the actual playing field at all. The heat and elements would remain the same out there. It would only cover the seating.

Second (Armando), while I would not argue the economy is in great shape, the actual recession ended nearly a year ago. Unemployment remains too high, to be sure, but nearly all other economic indicators have been showing improved numbers for quite some time now.

Anyway, it gets tiresome day after day coming here and reading a bunch of Madden GM'S and baby ass whiners, the majority who don't live here, crying because Sparano or Ireland were not fired. Spring Training is about to start, there is golf to be played at the Club and The Keys are beckoning. So enjoy shoveling snow, sorry Cuban your a decent guy, and complaining day after day after day after day. I no longer care. So until the draft I will no longer waste my time here. Now you "guys" can all sit here talking and crying every day in peace with each other. Unlike Dying Breed, I am out till the draft


ADIOS YOU FAKE FUKERS

Mando,I'm totally in your corner on this thorny issue.On one hand,the NFL tells Miami"no roof--no Super Bowl";but,on the other hand,grants NY a Super Bowl in a roofless stadium,located in the middle of a stinking cesspool(yes-I've been there),to be played in the cold and wet weather of New Jersey in February.Now--try to tell us there isn't a bias against Miami and a pro-NY attitude in Goodell's office!

The roof is ugly as sin...with that said...who gives a flying....

Someone has their panties in a bunch...Bobby you are so serious and the anger is showing. I bet you are still sticking around to see what people say to your anger rant here..So you are going to stomp off like a second grader...who cares really weather or not you come back here. This is a blog, full of opinions, you don't like it well peace the F out. Are you gods gift or something..let me guess, your poop smells like roses right?

I've lived in the Northeast (Miami transplant in the Philly area) for nearly a decade.

While it's true a SB in the Meadowlands might have crappy weather---such as what we've got right now---it's silly to just assume as much. In the years preceding this winter and last, I hardly ever had to break out the shovel and it hit 70 on New Years Day 4 or 5 years ago.

Just saying...could be awful, could wind up being no big deal at all. Just have to wait and see.

(but agreed South Florida and New Orleans are definitely the best sites)

Bobby, Enjoy the Keys Brother...Drink one for me....LOL...

LOL cowkilla. That's my take. Y'all don't really need to say goodbye (no need to be polite). The site goes on. I'm sure no one will even realize you're gone.

Plus we all know many will be back with their "alter egos" anyhow.

Well, if you could do the roof like this, \ /, it would concentrate the heat and give pleasure to the Fans.

Ross may just have to bring up what is happening in Collier County Florida. Where they are trying to lure the Chicago Cubs to the Naples area by using....Bed Tax money to fund the project. I wonder how much money the Cubs will generate by being in that area for a month? The thing with Spring training is that you get teams from northern climates that use this time to vacation. Check out their teams, and spend some cash. I read some comments by Cub fans who would be psyched to come to Florida, instead of Arizona. All said there is so much more to do. Better food options. A LOT MORE EYE CANDY.
Now apply this to the NFL, and the Super Bowl. We are talking one week. I'm sure the revenues are through the roof(no pun intended)And I understand that Bed taxes are used many times for stadium, and arena upgrades. Miami doesn't need to do ANYTHING to make the experience incredible. Remember the game is just part of the experience. Half the people that go don't even care about the teams. They are there on someone elses dime. The NFl will be back. Roof, or no roof.

FYI, that's why hospitality companies are about to increase the room rates around the country. So, localities, keep using that bed tax. It helps Marriott and Hilton stay paid!

DC Dolfan..LOL @ trickle down economics..

Dr.Roberts, I agree that ever few years will produce a 35 to 45 degree weather at noon in New York/Jersey area but the kick off will be at 6:30 or 7 pm where i"ll bet it should be around 3o to 40 degrees with a steady 15 to 20 MPH wind, bring the wind chill factor around the 10 to 15 degree area., Not a meteorologist but that's cold., I'd rather be in a rainstorm in 70 degree weather then in the stuff we're in around super bowl time... Agree??

Now, seriously, why can't we do like in GB where the City supposedly owns part of the Team?

The one improvement the stadium DOES need is to bring the sideline seating closer to the field.

It's my inderstanding that the team intends to do just that (on their own dime) after the Marlins depart.

The reason the stadium has the configuration it does---with such wide sidelines---is because Robbie believed soccer was destined to be a huge spectator sport in the U.S. and wanted his stadium to conform to international standards.

Bringing the seats in close will give the stadium more of a purely football aesthetic and give the Dolphins a louder home-field (when they're good again, anyway)


Now, seriously, why can't we do like in GB where the City supposedly owns part of the Team?

Posted by: oscar canosa | February 01, 2011 at 01:14 PM

Oscar,I'd rather have a buffoon like ross running the team then the Idiots that run Miami....BTW,Lived there for 30 years....

Amen, dr. roberts.

Cuban...agreed IF I was a spectator, no question about that.

Purely as a football fan who will be watching from the couch, however, I'd actually have zero problem watching a Super Bowl played in real winter weather. Why not? I'm not a corporate fatcat or an NFL honcho worried about "image." I hope it DOES snow on that Super Bowl and would get a kick out of seeing it.

As to what the actual weather will be like, who knows? If it's like this winter or the last one it could be a big deal. If it's like the ones in years prior, probably not so much.

As a season ticket holder, I won't mind having a roof over my head. Some of those games are brutal hot.

... But I would't make the dolphins organization pay. Have the owner or minor owner pay for the roof. Tell J.Lo to use her American Idol money to pay for the roof.

Don't push the team back for a stupid roof.

Now, seriously, why can't we do like in GB where the City supposedly owns part of the Team?

Posted by: oscar canosa | February 01, 2011 at 01:14 PM

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The Packers ownership structure is why I've always had a soft spot for that franchise.

No singular owner, but rather roughly 150,000 "shareholders" (mostly concentrated in the Green Bay area) who collectively "own" the team. It makes the bond between that community and the team very unique in sports.

Do you know that if theb Packers ever went bankrupt (as if!) they would actually wind up as the property of an American Legion post in Green Bay?

There were actually dozens of similar franchises to the Packers in the NFL's early years---teams in small to middle-sized markets. All are gone or relocated except the Packers, thanks entirely of the will of that community to keep it going and their own investment in it.

Dr Roberts.. Folks that are there torREALLY watch the game could care less about the weather. Hardcore fans would go about anywhere to watch a Super Bowl. It is the corprate ninnies that are whinning. Sadly, the Super Bowl has become a nesting ground for these people. It is more a social event then a game. You could make an argument that the conference championship games are more fun. At least your around real fans.

You Know what Dr.Roberts, Your Right, Let the Fat Cats freeze, No Skin off me, Though two years from now when it's in Jersey. I'am sure I'll be working more... Oh well, Overtime wont kill me, I'll actually enjoy the extra income and most definitely end up on a Charter boat in the keys.. I guess it will trickle down to Florida.....lol

Armando,
Good post. I agree.

They should also consider taking off the Brito graffiti on the walls of the stadium. Brito stinks, its not art.

It makes the stadium look like a circus.

While pinning down the exact net worth of the mega-rich is an inexac science -- Forbes does pin Stephen Ross' net worth bo be around $2.9 billion. That is about twice the net worth of Jerry Jones (whose primary source of equity these days is, in fact, the Dallas Cowboys).

While Jones did convince the folks in Arlington to fork over some sales and bed tax dollars for Cowboys stadium -- he put up hundreds and hundres of millions of dollars of hiw own to finance the construction.

If Ross wants taxpayers/tourists to pay for SunLife -- he should come out and clearly declare how much of the project he will cover on his own dime.

Agreed.

Dr Roberts.. Folks that are there torREALLY watch the game could care less about the weather. Hardcore fans would go about anywhere to watch a Super Bowl. It is the corprate ninnies that are whinning. Sadly, the Super Bowl has become a nesting ground for these people. It is more a social event then a game. You could make an argument that the conference championship games are more fun. At least your around real fans.

Posted by: Darryl Dunphy | February 01, 2011 at 01:30 PM
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100% agreed, Darryl.

I was at two Super Bowls (16 and 17) years ago...the first because Hank Stram was a family friend and hooked us up...the second because the Dolphins made it and I got tix as a season-ticket holder.

Back then, it was ALREADY a largely corporate event but nowhere near the level seen today.

No doubt some actual fans make their way there despite the grotesque cost involved, but it's certainly far from the atmosphere seen in the conference title games. SO much about the SB is pleasing the corporate world that the real fans are an afterthought.

"Roofing-issue?!"

Ross needs to worry about HIS (our) teams dismal 1-7 home record.

Ross ought not worry too much about attracting a future SB slot, roof or no, when this exact attention-span should be applied to getting HIS team up to superbowl calibre.

How much do you think Goodall got from awarding the Super Bowl to the New York/Jersey area?????

While pinning down the exact net worth of the mega-rich is an inexac science -- Forbes does pin Stephen Ross' net worth bo be around $2.9 billion. That is about twice the net worth of Jerry Jones (whose primary source of equity these days is, in fact, the Dallas Cowboys).

While Jones did convince the folks in Arlington to fork over some sales and bed tax dollars for Cowboys stadium -- he put up hundreds and hundres of millions of dollars of hiw own to finance the construction.

If Ross wants taxpayers/tourists to pay for SunLife -- he should come out and clearly declare how much of the project he will cover on his own dime.

Posted by: Gary Stevens | February 01, 2011 at 01:40 PM

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My understanding is that it was pretty much a 50/50 split between Jones and the taxpayers. Of course, you could make the argument that Texas Stadium WAS pretty outdated and needed to be replaced.

I don't see that happening for Ross with this proposal.

They should also consider taking off the Brito graffiti on the walls of the stadium. Brito stinks, its not art.

It makes the stadium look like a circus.

Posted by: dolfdan13 | February 01, 2011 at 01:38 PM

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Hate it!

Not going to pretend to be an art critic, but Brito strikes me as just insubstantial pablum. His crap is EVERYWHERE down there. Blecch.

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