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Back to work: Notes and nuggets

Back to work so let's get to it ...

Much has happened since I was last allowed to work by The Herald so let's do some catching up with (hopefully) a couple of nuggets you might be interested in.

Let's begin with unfinished business about Jeremy Shockey. I shared with my twitter followers last week that there would be practically no chance of the erstwhile New Orleans TE landing in Miami if Bill Parcells were still running the show because of Shockey's age and history with injuries would have eliminated him. But with Jeff Ireland running things and there being a greater sense of desperation urgency to win now, Shockey would be in play.

How much in play he is has yet to be really determined because while lots of folks got all excited about him passing a physical with the Dolphins last week, he did it while coach Tony Sparano and Ireland were out of town. So Shockey didn't get the eyes-on approach from the two most important football guys in the organization. In other words, Shockey has zero commitment from the Dolphins.

Yet.

There will be a meeting -- probably in the next day or two -- between Shockey and the coach and general manager. At that point, the Dolphins may decide to go forward (or not) with Shockey. Obviously agent Drew Rosenhaus, a local guy, will push to get his client on the local team. And Shockey, a local hero because of what he did at the University of Miami, will welcome the idea of playing for the team in the town where he lives.

But ...

The Dolphins must weigh Shockey's value as definite upgrade as a receiving tight end versus what kind of money he wants, how that fits within his injury history, and one other thing.

The other thing is chemistry.

Let's face it, Shockey is not a wilting violet. He's a veteran. He's got opinions about things. He has a way of thinking that was formed long ago. Can that way of thinking fit in a Dolphins locker room where the quarterback situation is unstable, where the leadership in the huddle is unsettled, where Brandon Marshall is already a player the Dolphins feel they have to "manage," according to a source.

That other thing will also be weighed. So it is not as easy as answering the question whether Shockey is an upgrade. That answer seems obviously yes. The answer to the other question might not so obvious.

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The Indy scouting combine closes shop Tuesday so let me share some nuggets I've garnered from afar:

I spoke to a scout on Friday afternoon and he told me that despite the obvious glut of QBs in this draft, much of the gold that seems shiny now will tarnish as it languishes on NFL rosters in years to come. Simply, the scout said, teams are generally good at identifying quarterbacks at the top of the draft and working their way back toward the later rounds.

And, generally, those picked in the first round succeed to some degree on an NFL level between 55-60 percent of the time.

Everything after that?

The chances of success drop off the table.

I'm told QBs picked in rounds 2-3 succeed about 20 percent of the time. Everything after that drops into the single digits of success depending on the year. Yes, for every Tom Brady picked 199th overall, there are approximately 91 other guys that never start a game in the NFL.

Think about that if you're advocating that the Dolphins should not pick a QB until the third round or beyond. The chances of such a strategy working is historically low.

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Former Dolphins, Cleveland and Cowboys QB Bernie Kosar was on my radio show, Armando and the Amigo, this morning for his regular segment and he brought this nugget from the Combine:

Kosar is doing work in some capacity for Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots. He is sitting in on interviews. He is talking to various players. He is also working his NFL relationships to gather information from and about other teams.

Well, according to Kosar, "most teams were fine," with the explanation Arkansas quarterback Ryan Mallett gave for the persistent yet unsubstantiated rumors of drug use that seem to be dogging him.

Mallett was panned by some media for not answering questions about drugs during his press conference on Saturday. He neither admitted nor denied any connection to drugs of any sort. But it did come up in his team interviews, Kosar said, and he did address the issue in that venue.

In the venue that counts most -- the field -- Mallett was apparently studly. This from the pool report by the Pro Football Writers of America:

"On deep seam routes in the middle of the field, Mallett was flawless, arching the ball with perfect touch and hitting receivers in stride. On out routes to the sideline, Mallett delivered his best fastball and was perfectly accurate. The ball exploded into receivers’ hands.

"His slant route throws were perfect although some of the throws are so hard and fast they will challenge the hands of receivers. He was particularly impressive on his post corners on the right, going four-for-four. If there was a weakness, it was his 17-yard turn-ins to his left. His first pass was high. His second one was a little off, but by the third throw he was perfect.

"Mallett has excellent deep touch on his throws. His challenge is making sure he can be accurate on his intermediate throws."

My personal opinion? I don't know Ryan Mallett from Adam. But I know he played in a pro-style system. I know he has a pro arm and probably the best arm in this draft. Mobile? No. Not at all. It's a red flag he refused to run the 40-yard dash. He cannot run to save his life. But there's a difference between mobility and footwork. I hear he's got fewer footwork issues to resolve compared to the Spread quarterbacks that dominate this draft. Do not underestimate that, by the way.

He has to tighten up his accuracy. It is, in my opinion, the real reason he's not considered a Top 10-12 pick. But neither is his accuracy Brady Quinn bad.

When Cam Newton reveals in an interview with the NFL Network that he "underestimated the timing aspect of playing quarterback," as it related to getting a quick drop, finding the receiver and hooking up with the player, that brings to light exactly how much hard work has to be done with these spread quarterbacks to get them up to NFL speed.

As Mike Mayock was overheard on air as the Network was going to commercial following Newton's throwing session Sunday, "backup," is the word that comes to mind in the short term when looking at Newton perform. If you think he'll be a starter from Day 1, well, that is truly baptism by fire stuff right there.

Mallett would also be baptism by fire. But at least he's taken a center snap in the SEC out of the pro set. At least he's dropped five steps and seven steps under pressure. He's well ahead of the other guys in that regard.

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This didn't get much attention out there because it is ultimately about a backup player so I figured I'd serve it up. The Dolphins obviously have several plans of attack for addressing the quarterback spot.

None of them really include Chad Pennington in the best-case scenario.

One also does not include Tyler Thigpen -- in that if Miami drafts a rookie and adds a veteran who can challenge to start, then Thigpen is outty.

But if the Dolphins fail to find a QB in the draft or in free agency, then a spot opens up for Thigpen. Under this scenario, Chad Henne, Thigpen and the new guy QB would make up Miami's three quarterbacks. The new guy would be either a rookie or that veteran that will challenge Henne to start.

If the Dolphins find any combination of two new guys in whom they are investing money or a considerable (relatively high) draft pick ... Thigpen's chances of being on the team for the 2011 season-opener become about zero.



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GREG Z,


BUT SHOKEY LOVES TO COME HOME AND GET TREATED FOR HIS INJURY AND AS A BOUNS WE PAY HIM 3 MILLION A YEAR TO GIVE COMPNY TO ODRICK .

JULIO JONES.
Worry about everything else later.
Mallet not worth risk , Newton needs a couple of years.
Gabbert?

Mando, back in 82 there was also a QB with drug abuse Questions and not very mobil, seems to have worked out then.....

LIL Aloco, Your thoughts on Mr. Mallet......

WHAT WAS HIS NAME CUBAN THAT QB ?

Ryan Mallett........

CUBAN,

FOR THE LAST 2 WEEKS MALLET CAME UNDER ATTACK FOR THE EMPTY SUITS WHO CLAIM TO BE FOOTBALL EXPERTS,STILL HE DID WELL AT THE COMBINE ........... I SAY MORE POWER TO HIM,HE'S A WINNER ,

Heismann winning RB's since 1975:

2005 Reggie Bush USC
1999 Ron Dayne Wisconsin
1998 Ricky Williams Texas
1995 Eddie George Ohio State
1994 Rashaan Salaam Colorado (only one to go after round 14)
1988 Barry Sanders Oklahoma State
1985 Bo Jackson Auburn
1983 Mike Rozier Nebraska
1982 Herschel Walker Georgia
1981 Marcus Allen Southern California
1980 George Rogers South Carolina
1979 Charles White Southern California
1978 Billy Sims Oklahoma
1977 Earl Campbell Texas
1976 Tony Dorsett Pittsburgh
1975 Archie Griffin Ohio State

'82 QB with drug questions? Y.A. Tittle...he, he, he.

0x80, Your point sir????

REGGIE BUSH WILL LOWER HIS SALARY TO 2345 DOLLARS AFTER SUFFERING HIS LATEST INJURY .


0X80,
WHAT THE PERCENATGE OF THESE RB'S FROM 175 TO 2005 WHO BECAME REAL GOOD ? TO GUVE US AN IDEA RE MARK INGRAM .

Sorry 0x80, I just saw the RB in your post..., A couple HOFers in that list..........

TO GIVE US

lil Aloco,He's stating that if a RB wins the Hiesmann there's a good chance that he's gonna be a GREAT back......

cuban,


but if only 4 turns out to be real good from his list ,his point would BE UN valid to draft ingram based on his list but if let say 7 players of his list did became great then let's GET INGRAM .

No talk from the Ingram lovers and Ronnie haters? His blazing 4.62 run must have scared off the supporters who love this guy. Way too slow and stiff and is a DOWNGRADE from Ronnie. I hope the Fins fix the real needs of OL, explosive WR, and QB.

Ireland the heat is on.... you haven't really been doing very well, this might be your last year to show that you actually know something... I don't have much confidence in you.

LIL Aloco, There's alot of clutch players on that list. I'd take anyone of them.........

Or not.

then CUBAN,

LET'S START DRAFTING MARK INGRAM IF HE'S THERE AT 15 WHICH I DOUBT IT VERY MUCH .


On deep seam routes in the middle of the field, Mallett was flawless, arching the ball with perfect touch and hitting receivers in stride. On out routes to the sideline, Mallett delivered his best fastball and was perfectly accurate. The ball exploded into receivers’ hands.

"His slant route throws were perfect although some of the throws are so hard and fast they will challenge the hands of receivers. He was particularly impressive on his post corners on the right, going four-for-four. If there was a weakness, it was his 17-yard turn-ins to his left. His first pass was high. His second one was a little off, but by the third throw he was perfect.

Can Someone find the combine reports of Dan(God of QBs) Marino and see if it's almost identicle.......

MALLET WILL BE GONE BY PICK NO 4 AFTER PASSING MEDICAL TESTS .

MATT FLYNN OF THE GB IS FA THIS YEAR ,HE'S LOOKING TO STAR ON NFL TEAM,I SAY SIGN HIM FAST .

GB IS TRYING HARD FOR 2 MONTH NOW TO SIGN HIM AS A BACK UP FOR ROGERS THE GREAT .

TO START

Maii Flynn has a hot girlfriend........

SOAP TIME CUBAN ?

LOL @ Lil Aloco............. That was a good one....

TIME TO GO TO WORK TO PAY TAXES FOR DB AND CO ,THE UNEMPLOYED UNTOUCHABLE .


HAVE A GOOD DAY CUBAN.

kris,

It's all good man. I didn't take your comments in any way other than how they were intended. We just have a difference of opinion on the matter and as you said, there's nothing wrong with that. Kind of preferring this peace thing to be honest!!...LOL.

Guys, don't be putting too much emphasis into the Combine. As Peter King said in his column today 'I've never had a personnel guy say to me, 'We've moved this QB down based on his Combine'. I think the same could be said about moving guys up. It's just a chance to see guys move around, that's all guys. The REAL test is what these guys do during games and on tape.

Still LOL @ Lil Aloco, You go make that tax money so we can blog all day...........LOL

Remember lil Aloco, You must turn on the heating element on the dish washer to keep those dishes clean..........Still lmao...

I've posted this before but I think the Titans are NUTS to be contemplating cutting Vince Young. He's due a $4.25 million bonus on the 10th day of the new season, whenever that starts. Big deal!! they should kiss and make up and let bygones be bygones. Fisher is gone, chalk it up to a young guy making mistakes! I do believe the Titans are more disfunctional than us. Jeff Fisher has been keeping this team afloat for a long time and it's about to blowup!

So what that means all Vince Young lovers is that likely won't be available until the last possible moment. I've gone on record as saying I'm in favour of bringing Young in to compete for the job but understand he may have very little time to learn the system and win the job before the season starts. It won't be an easy feat for him.

Craig, you mean like how 60+ TDS and 19INT against the best defenses in the country (without a seriously talented team) shows how he can play during a game?

Wont mind a Vince Young visit to Pro player,Dolphin,Shark,.... What ever the name of the stadium is,Would love to see him in a Phin Uniform, Better then Ole Fatneck Henne... IMHO....

Mike Nolen will be head coach after the Bye-week..., You heard it here first........

If QBs taken in the 2nd and 3rd round only work out 20% of the time, then we should be due!! After Henne, White, Beck, and the 2nd rounder we traded for Culpepper, we can't possibly miss if we draft another 2nd round QB this year. The odds are in our favor!

Sparano just needs another offensive lineman in the first round to fix our offense. Are there any centers available who can hike the ball to themselves?

Tuna,Sparano needs a class in coaching 101 IMHO, The guy's clueless.....

Cuban I looked but all I got was 'no results available' and some broken links.

BTW, it was '83

Thanks Coco, It seems like a eternity ago....

Mark in TO,

Let's see how he does on the big stage when it really counts. There are endless guys who chewed it up in College and couldn't cut it in the pros. Means nothing! Ryan Leaf ring a bell? Jemarcus Russell? Or some of the Heisman winners like Gino Toretta, Eric Couch or Tim Couch.

Did find this:

Dan Marino was an enigma. He came into the 1982 season at Pitt ranked near Elway but had a disappointing season throwing 23 interceptions (Elway, by comparison, had just set an NCAA career record with a 3.13% interception ratio). He also suffered unsubstantiated rumors regarding drug use. The hometown hero was even booed during home games. One of the truly great draft analysts Joel Buchsbaum wrote in Pro Football Weekly that Marino, "is this year's Art Schlichter, according to some people. It will be three years before he's ready to play in the NFL. He's immature and has poor passing mechanics."

Cuban, how did you like that "It will be 3 years before he's ready to play in the NFL".
And "Immature and bad mechanics"?

Mike Nolen will be head coach after the Bye-week..., You heard it here first........

Posted by: Cuban Menace | February 28, 2011 at 02:46 PM

I've been saying Nolan would be the coach since the season ended. We heard it from you 2nd.

Guys what makes you think Nolan is going to want to stick around. He tried to jump ship and take the Dallas DC job when Ross pulled his stint with Harbaugh but the team made him stay. Not sure Ross' stunt is going to endear himself very well to future candidates.

Mike Mayock, NFL Network Analysis says that Cam Newton has top ten talent, with a few red flags. TOP TEN TALENT.

Mayock said, at the end of the show, that he was going to do an interview right after the show and he knew that he would be asked to comment about how bad Newton looked and he would have to disagree. He said he liked what he say and the kid had a very good day and he would have tpo watch more film on him.

I knew some people here would jump on the Mallette bandwagon and that is fine, I will stay on the Newton bandwagon and trust the kid who is a proven leader and a proven winner.

Guys what makes you think Nolan is going to want to stick around.

Posted by: Craig M

I guess you missed the comment from Cuban about him becoming the HC by the bye week next season. He is sticking around for next year, isn't he?

When Sparano gets canned, Nolan will take over as an interim HC.

Joe,

There is no guarantee he's going to want that. I think I understand now that you're saying only an interim basis but I'm guessing a class guy like Nolan is probably a bit tired of the circus atmosphere around the team now too.

Jake Locker threw the best at the combine

Craig/Kris,

Here's how we can put this topic to bed. Let's all agree on these FACTS:
- If you want an elite QB in the NFL, you need to draft 1 first round.
- Miami should draft a FIRST-ROUND QB WHEN they are ready to find that elite franchise QB.
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After that, feel free to disagree. Some people think it's not worth wasting a 1st-round pick on a QB this year, ok, I can accept that.

Some people think they're smarter than the probabilities and can find that 1 in a million Brady-type pick, ok, I can even accept that.

But it's no longer acceptable per Mando's FACTUAL post to say let's find our franchise QB after round 1. That's no longer a viable strategy, no matter what EXCEPTION anyone may point to.

All QBs look good with pads on and have no pass rush around them! I think it's all about assumption just remember Ryan leaf it's the luck of the draw on QBs for most of the time!

Correction without pads on... Cam Newton didn't look good at the combine! That's why I Keep saying it's all assumption on what they do in the combine let's put pads on and see what they got I think that's the way combine should be done like the probowl no sacks only tackle at should pads only or two hand touch!

DC,

Any change in thoughts on the QB's after the weekend? I thought Newton showed who he really is. There's an awful lot of red flags on this guy for a guy who has yet to step onto an NFL field.

No take on Paul being franchised? I thought there was no chance for that, Mando?

Mallet was great in the bowl game - SEVEN dropped passes, two of which would have been touchdowns, possibly three. It occurs to me his WRs let the team down.

I watched all of the Combines on Sunday. I had no problem with what Cam Newton did. He knew he had the spotlight on him and he pressed a bit, but like Mayock, Sharpe and Davis were saying, it didn't matter if the QBs threw completions, it mattered if they threw to the correct spot and it was up to the WRs to be in the right spot, but Newton was throwing to the WRs. He later said that the difference in WRs breaks made that a bit of a challenge. Mayock said that he would not agree that Newton had a bad day, he thought that Newton had a good day. BTW, the red flags have to do mainly with off field crap that I don't care about.

I still like Kaepernick, I like Locker more now than I did before. Mallette is a statue but he has personality. Devlin, Dalton, Ponder were nothing special.

Ireland will probably look at Enderle, he seems the type, plain, vanilla with no personality and no mobility.

The Dolphins probably have three QBs they'd pick at 15 if available. Newton and Mallet are 2 that come to mind. They may have to trade up a few spots to get their guy. I believe we take a QB in the first to challenge Henne. I think our 3rd rounder will be a running back. Johnny White out of Carolina is one that comes to mind. It seems necessary to have a veteran QB on the roster to complement Henne and their first round QB. I think we add one or two veteran free agent QBs after the draft. If we add two, it will come after the CBA is completed and Henne will be cut lose in a trade.

There are a lot of good WRs in the draft beyond Jones and Green. Edmond Gates was the fastest and showed good hands. He is a small guy who looks to be able to stretch the field. Leonard Hankerson from the "U" looked fast and agile, also with good hands. Torrey Smith looks fast but I didn't get to see much of his hands. There were a lot of guys who looked good catching in the combine situation.

Ireland choice will probably be Dane Sanzenbacher from Ohio State.

There were a lot of good looking RBs. Big guys and little guys. Expect to hear about Mario Fannin, Roy Helu Jr., Brandon Saine and the fastest guy there Da'Rel Scott. I think both Raymond Berry and Craig Cooper from the "U" looked good and could help the Dolphins right away, especially Berry.

Irelands choice will probably be Owen Marecic, after all who is more verstile and being from Stanford is a plaus for Ireland.

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