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Ireland's choice: Right thing vs. popular thing

You know the scenario. The Dolphins need to become a more dynamic team. They need big plays on offense. They need possession-changing plays on defense and somebody needs to set an alarm under the special teams and coax a kick return or punt return TD out of them sometime this century.

The Dolphins need to thus draft someone that comes with his own personal Batman show soundtrack: Pow. Bam. Kaboom.

We all know this. The Dolphins have admitted this ...

And then they draft a center?

Or any offensive lineman?

Or a safety?

Really?

That is the dilemma Miami general manager Jeff Ireland might (I do stress this is hypothetical) face on draft day in April. We want somebody that will wow us. Owner Stephen Ross wants someone that will bring glitz and glamour and put butts in the seats.

And the best player on the board might be someone that does neither but could still be the best available player on the Miami board. Or the best option in Ireland's opinion. Or Just the right thing to do.

How would Ireland navigate that?

The answer cannot be known until it happens. But be certain it can happen. Simply, there is a possibility the 14 teams picking ahead of the Dolphins pluck the most dynamic offensive players off the board -- guys such as Cam Newton and Blaine Gabbert or A.J. Green and Julio Jones or even whatever homerun hitting running back you think is worthy.

And suppose someone such as Florida center Mike Pouncey is the highest rated player on Miami's board at the time. Or maybe OT Nate Solder is Miami's highest rated player left on the board. Or maybe a safety such as Rahim Moore or Roberts Sands is the guy.

Would Ireland have the courage to pick an offensive lineman after the team has spent so many past resources on positions that don't score TDs? Would he be OK with adding to the defense when it's the offense that begs help?

Would he go away from doing the popular thing that will get him applause from folks at the Dolphins draft party at the expense going with the highest-rated guy on his board that perhaps plays a position that excites no one and could get him roasted publicly?

It is a tough call. It is why Ireland makes the proverbial big bucks.

I would tell you the Dolphins had a GM that made that difficult and unpopular call before. Remember in April of 2007, the Dolphins had a good feeling that Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn would be available at No. 9. And the Wednesday before the draft, GM Randy Mueller had dinner with owner Wayne Huizenga and told him he would not be picking Quinn because, well, he didn't think Quinn was that good.

Huizenga didn't necessarily agree but let Mueller make his own bed. Mueller made that bed instead by picking Ted Ginn Jr. No, that choice didn't work although hindsight tells us Mueller made the right call not picking Quinn, either. The point is Mueller did the unpopular thing because everyone (including me) wanted Quinn.

Had Mueller picked a good player instead, he might still be employed. Of course, had Huizenga picked a better head coach than Cam Cameron, Mueller might still be employed. Neither happened. But the point is Mueller took the harder public relations road.

I cannot tell you which way Ireland would go. I haven't asked him about this topic. But my thinking is he might also do the more difficult thing, the more unpopular thing, if he thinks it's the right thing. It would make people upset, for sure. It might even make Ross upset, for sure.

But I get the feeling Jeff Ireland is stubborn enough to stick to his guns and go down blazing if he must.

If the player Ireland picks is the right guy -- and shows it right away -- Ireland can survive the storm of making an unpopular pick. Obviously, you make a less popular selection and compound the problem by choosing a bust, you've doubled your pain and you're out of a job anyway.

But you go with the unpopular pick and it ultimately turns out to be the right selection, your reputation is improved long-term.

So what do you think? Would Ireland let his rep suffer a bit at the hands of fans and second-guessers in the short-term? Or would he bow to the pressure and pluck the next QB or WR or RB on his board to satisfy the masses and his owner?

Hmmmm.

We might see. 

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Really tough fanbase! It seems like it wouldn't matter what Sparano, Ireland or Henne did the fans wouldn't be happy. Anything short of a Super Bowl and it's not good enough. I got news for you guys, only one team can win the Super Bowl each year.

Something tells me if the names were changed to Cowher, Pioli and Mallett, it wouldn't be long until we heard the same from the fanbase. No wonder nobody talks about 'what a great bunch of fans Miami has'....

I do not feel the Vince Young is another Culpepper. Culpepper was 7 years into his career before he came here... with a knee that was NOT ready to play and that he had lied about.

However I do not feel "beerfin" is a bigot for sharing his opinion.

I feel that Vince Young could be a very interesting acquisition for Miami. There is no doubt in my mind that he has every tool that he needs to do the job. As far as wonderlic scores Vince scored a 15...same as Dan Marino. The questions that surround Vince are valid, he has acted like a child in his career and has not show the subordination to leadership that being a team leader and teammate require. Daboll has had a ton of experience with a wide range of QB talent and may be just what Vince needs. Between Daboll and Dorrell they may get the guys head screwed on straight? He would certainly give Henne a much needed round of conpetition. I feel Vince is one of the better options Miami may have.

I would also keep Matt Flynn on the radar. He does not have the experience that Vince does.. he also does not have the bad baggage either. He already has the tools and what he needs is an opportunity.

Either of these two would be great should Miami not pursue a QB in this draft. And either still have HUGE chunks of their careers remaining. So they are not like just plugging a hole. They can play and would give other options a chance to develop in a much less stressed time frame then they are now,

0x80,

"Cheap on the Bench" still being very expensive is one heck of a powerful selling point. This leaves me with only one one true answer and that's I'm inclined to fully agree.

However, since Sanders will only be beginning his 8th NFL season Im sure thier will be at least 5 or more teams cat birding for his services. The glimmer of the past can be such a powerful aphrodisiac. LOL..........

CraigM,

When interviewed today on ESPN, Jeff Saturday stated players uniuon are now willing to give in on the money issues. He talked of whatever it is concerning player safety, that he says will give them more longevity in the game being more important. Because if on the wjole players can each expand the length of thier playing careers, that in it self will increase thier individual revenue.

Basically I see that alone as the crack in the wall of these very tough negotiations that allows a small ray of positive light to enter.
Remember it only takes a small spark to start a great fire.

Do I think it's guarranteed to get something done before the draft? Hell no! But do I believe the chances have gotten a helluva lot better? Hell yeah!

DB, yeah...lets let the other teams be seduced by the aphrodisiacs for a change. Maybe Rex will bite on this one...

0x80- Roger that! LOL...........

Moisture

Ireland will pick the BEST player period, weither its offense or defense. Best player available. Thats how u build football teams.

The NFL needs to have a team called the Toronto Ass Managers.

I wanted to reply to the post Derek left yesterday. Derek, you are right on saying it is ones choice not to like Jeff Ireland. Everybody has a right to thier opinion. I have no problem if you disagree with me on him. I did want to say I don't like Ireland has GM of the Dolphins, but it has nothing to do with his question to bryant about his mother. In my opinion Ireland is a weak evaluator of talent. I think it was simply outrageous the way he handled the draft last year. We needed a S,TE,RB,QB,Lb He didnt draft any Qb's,Rb's or Te's. He drafted all those LB's just to spite Jason Taylor. If Ireland can draft some good quality players and make the Dolphins competitive, then I will give him credit ans say I was wrong. I seriously doubt it will happen, but anything is posible. You have a right to your opinion I have a right to mine. As of right now, its my opinion Jeff Ireland doesnt have what it takes to build a quality team. He gets another chance to prove me wrong. I WANT Ireland to prove me wrong. I will be sure to post if he is still with the team in 2 years and we are winning. Time will tell.

it isn't becuz they are black it's becuz they are both dumb and they were proven to be mistake prone early in their careers Culpepper wasn't without flaws in Minnesota if i remember correctly he left Minnesota in a similar fashion after failing when Randy Moss left... unprofessional is the word i'm looking for and it has nothing to do with race

finfaninssc, why do you think we needed to draft a QB last year while our defense was terrible. Everyone thought Henne was the real deal last year.
Ireland is not a bad talent evaluator. Everyone has some misses. And you can't really tell right now after 2 drafts if the players he took are good or not. I bet some of these players will become probowlers. I say Ireland has done as good as jimmy johnson did when he was here.

Rob in OC...Thanks for the shout..Maybe one day I can catch you while we are both posting for some more debate..

I look forward to your posts, and think this blog is at it's best when you are contributing. As far as the other posters. This blog would be nothing without everyones opinions, and input. The Herald blog is by far the best, and most civi(even though it gets sideways at points) of all Dolphin Forums, and I feel privledged to be a part of it. The offseason seems to be when the best, and most heated debates fire up. So I look forward to more heated conversation about Dolphin Football, ALocos dinner, and the best places in South Florida to pee...Thanks

rather see Henne play than VY or Flynn or any other FA on the market this year...
They should have gotten Vick when he wanted to come here and compete

Craig,

"Something tells me if the names were changed to Cowher, Pioli and Mallett, it wouldn't be long until we heard the same from the fanbase."

That's not true and it isn't fair. The team has not made stride forward and that is what fans are upset about. They may have gotten lucky with 11-5 the first year but can you really tell me there has been noticable progress from year to year? Progress that has put the team in a better winning position?

You are a smart guy but I don't think you acknowledge the fact that a good QB makes other around him better and gives them better chances to make plays. I asked a question of the forum and none of them had the nads to answer, so I'm gonna ask you. How would you defend against Henne is you were a Defensive Coordinator from an opposing team?

On a side note. I have never been a big Dan Marino fan, but I am a Dolphins fan thru and thru. i had respect for marino, but I prefer mobile QBs, just my thing. That being said and in answer to all that say that Marino, Manning and Brady and Brees coould not have played better this season than Henne did, i say Bollocks.

Joe Rose who was Marino's roommate in camp and the receipient of his first TD pass has said in numerous interviews that Marino would gets plays from the sideline and change them in the huddle to what he wanted, depending on what he saw. It got to a point where Shula didn't even bother anymore, saying that it was fine to change it as long as he was right. Here was a rookie, coming in as a mid season replacement and changing plays that were sent in by a coach that had been to multipe super bowls. Can you ever see Henne doing anything like that? He doesn't have the heart to stand up for himself, even Thigpen did that in his last game. Henne is not a leader, Cam Newton is, McNabb is, Colt McCoy is, Matty Ice is, Sam Bradford is, Ryan Fitzpatrick is, Josh Freeman is, Kaepernick is, Gabbert may be, Ponder may be.
Henne is not.

Dying Breed..You made a great point on page 4. For those who think we should do whatever it takes to move up in this draft. Think about DB's point. Lets say Newton is available to the Phins(or insert your favorite first round prospect) in a trade up scenario. The cost of this, plus the loss of high draft picks would most likely leave our cupboards bare. How do we go about getting the proper players that we need to complete the team? The free agent route is a poor way to build a franchise. Yes they can play a role. But to fill your roster with mercenaries, and has beens is asking for trouble.

By gambling away your future picks. You risk the chance of developing your own guys. You risk the chance of surrounding a young quarterback with the wrong parts. You also risk the obvious chance this player will be a bust. IMO I think that moving into the top 10 will cost us our first round pick this year, another pick maybe round 5,6. And our first round pick next year. Look at teams that have moved up into the top ten to draft quarterbacks. It doesn't happen often, because the price is way to risky.

getting a QB in the draft is the only answer this year. Bringing in a vet would just hurt Henne even further. Confidence and presence is a big deal to young QBs...Might as well bring back
Pennington one more year becuz that train is going nowhere without some sort of miracle like 2008

DMB...I don't want to butt in. Your question about how to defend Henne was a good one, so I thought I would take a shot....

First of all, I would do what all defensive coordinators tried. Make Henne have to throw it more then 35 times. The odds he will make a mistake are 100%. If the Phins found a run game. I would play straight cover 2 until Henne could prove he could beat me over the top. In this cover 2 I'm playing man on everyone and bracketing BM. I keep everything underneath, and pressure him the blitz. Knowing one of his weaknesses is figuring out protections. I mix up the blitz looks. Now the whole game plan is a bend don't break. Knowing the Dolphins will settle for field goals. Let them move it in the middle of the field. Just be patient, and know Henne is going to turn it over if we give him enough attempts...

This is how I would defend Henne. The blueprint was layed down in the second half of the season, and it worked everytime(except the jet game..Henne only threw it 15 times, we won)

If Henne can learn consistency and the ability to see past what is directly in front of him he may turn out to be pretty good but as it stands the Phins would be making a mistake not to go after the best QB in the draft now and until they get it right.

Here is a hypothetic question...Does Henne even see the field again if Penningtons arm doesn't fall off? Pennington obviously was the perfect quarterback for Hennings system...Plodding, low risk/reward, accurate.
Are we still having this disscusion about having to draft a first round quarterback if Pennington stays healthy?

DD,

It is of my best opinion based on the overwhelming pile of past career evidence no one will ever trust Pennington as thier starter. Geesh its finally gotten to point of can you even trust his bum shoulder to even complete a single game.

IMO, Pennington's only continued presence in the NFL in any compacity is as a qb coach should he decide to pursuit that route. If anyone needs more evidence that Pennington's done as an NFL qb after his last Dolphin performance. Well, I have a all to familiar bridge to sell you that's still going pretty damn cheap!

QB 1st rd Cam Newton / QB Jake Locker
OG 3rd rd Orlando Franklin/ TE Luke Stocker
RB 4th rd WR Austin Pettis/ RB Bilal Powell
RB 5th rd Derrick Locke / OG Zach Hurd
FB 6th rd Henry Hynoski/ WR Deandre Brown
C 7th rd Alex Linnenkohl/ C Zane Taylor

Heck it's getting to point of can Pennington safely hold his man tool while taking a whiz without the bum shoulder falling apart.

Keeping Pennington on the active player roster, not only do we need to consider hiring someone to hold his man tool while taking a whiz. We also need to consider hiring someone to hold the clipboard for him while he's strolling the sidelines.

My concern now is who signed the contract extension for him to keep the bum shoulder from falling apart right before he had fully completed his signature.

Dying...I agree that Pennington is done, that he should pursue other options. I was trying to make the point that if Penne has stayed healthy. That Henne would have been relegated to clip board duty for the remainder of last season. That the coaches had seen enough up to that point, and no longer believed Henne was the right choice to lead this team.

As it worked out. The first two games Henne played after his benching(Tenn, Oak) were his best performances of the season, and I thought something may have clicked. But that wasn't the case. I am by no means advocating putting Penne behind center. I was just looking for some thoughts as to where we would be today had Henne never got back on the field. Would Penne be the incumbant starter? Would Henne even be in the picture?

Pennington has had some tough luk but i don't see him being done yet... he will be a good backup like testaverde prolly for a few more years. I agree though he should just start his coaching career

I have 19 cats that I let poop and pee wherever they want. I also leave bags of open cat food around the house so they can eat whenever they want. They are all my babies.

Beerphin,

I only wish you knew how great a recipe for disater in years to come trading up for Cam Newton would be.

You neglected to see how many legit starters this team still needs. It's highly doubtful Newton will be a day on starter and when drafting 3rd rd and lower the chances of getting a day one starter decreases dramatically.

Now if offensively we needed only 1-2 really good starters to become a complete offense I could agree. But take a careful look at all of our offensive starters. Anyone outside of Jake Long, Brandon Marshall, Lousaka Polite, and Devon Bess are HUGELY replaceble.

After mangling our future to move up and get Newton, it looks like your answer for upgrading B-grade starters is to bring in more B-grade starters. That's exactly what you're more prone to get when your primary draft pool has been decimated to drafting players 3rd rd and lower depending on them to become your primary staryters.

You may get the occassional hit but its a very poor thing to bank on. Making matters worse is the fact that drawing major fa talent to what they already see as a very poor talent laden team decreases significantly too.

Be very extremely careful about what you're wishing for. Because you just may get it!

DD,

When everyone was belly aching for Pennington I doubted his shoulder would last 2 games max. Seriously! But little did I know that the shoulder had become so brittle it wouldnt even last through 2 offensive possessions.

Rotflmao @ beerphin. He thinks Pennington has something left! LOL....................

Beerphin,

Pennington will be a damn good backup qb as long as he never has to go into any games. LOL..........

any possible way to trade for Louis Williams from Philadelphia he seems like he'd be a star if given a chance to start

Pennington is tough he'll prolly try again not saying it'll work out but as a backup he may be useful just to have on the roster as an example and mentor 3rd string...

Don't know if he's health enough to return to form in 2011 but if so I would consider Bob Sanders for the Fins. Top teams like the Ravens, Steelers, and Saints (at least last year) tend to have game changing guys at safety. That's something we haven't had in a loooong time.


any possible way to trade for Louis Williams from Philadelphia he seems like he'd be a star if given a chance to start

Posted by: beerphin | February 18, 2011 at 04:59 PM

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As in Louis Williams the basketball player for the 76ers??

STOP with the Cam Newton talk...Ireland comes from the Parcels mold and will most likely seek his advice in private prior to the upcoming draft.
Parcels #1 criteria for picking a QB...he MUST BE A 4 YEAR STARTER IN COLLEGE.

Newton started ONE YEAR and is a JUNIOR.

Forget about it...GUARANTEED Ireland passes on Newton if he is available at #15.

When a team drafts a guy 3rd rd heavily dependant on him to become an immediate starter there's a very bad state of affairs with that team. You can only truly hope he becomes a starter in his 2nd season at best.

Doesnt mean a guy drafted 3rd rd and longer cant become a legit 1st yr starter. It just means the chances of it really happening are reduced dramatically with each passing rd he is grouped in.

You cant totally dismiss the fact that these guys are grouped to go in certain rds for a reason. Here's an example chart I put together on expectations:

1st-2nd rd

These are players that definitely should start at some point in thier first season. If not, its fairly safe to begin considering the bust factor. If not a good NFL starter by year 2 they are either full bust or perennial backup material.

In the case of qb's, a very few exceptions will start in year one, but he has to be showing definite signs of improvement between gm 1 and gm 16.

Whether 1st or 2nd rd I believe by his 3rd season he needs to be a full time starter and if not great yet, there needs to be zero doubt he's still showing great upside. If not it could be a HUGE problem.

3rd-4th rd

I believe a 3rd rd'er needs to be a starter by his 2nd season. A 4th rd'er by his 3rd season. If not the chances of only being a perrenial backup greatly increases.

5th-6th rd

I believe this is the area you begin to look for guys who can imeediately become st's starters. Still I believe these guys can also be plan B when your 3rd and 4th rd'ers arent developing quickly enough.

There probably isnt a whole heck of a lot separating 3rd-4th rd'ers fron 5th-6th rd'ers. It could just be a matter of who picks up his team's system quickest.

7th rd

I believe this is primarily the rd you look for kickers. This is also a great rd to harvestvery small school talent where level of competition may have been your greatest concern. It can also be noted as your throw away round or a lottery round. It can be a round to really hit it big if you're lucky enough.

DB, you are wrong about Newton plain and simple. U clamored about him definitely not going 1st rd. Now u are sure he will be picked before 15... The guy is a top 10 pick as i have stated for a long time now... If he falls to 15 we should pull the trigger. It's like the Dez Bryant situation we could have landed a top 10 player and passed on him becuz of off field issues. No one can deny now that Marshall and Bryant would've been our # 1 & 2 receivers for years to come scaring opposing defensive coordinators. QB necessary this team is not far from contending. This is a pretty deep defensive draft meaning there will still be a lot of quality offensive players left on the board in rounds 3-5 that we could land eventual starting quality players... Phins need people that can score. Newton scores even if we only used him in goaline situations next year thats like 10+ TDs i'll take that after last season... u are overstating every arguement you make about the guy even though obviously he is highly talented

Another thing that needs talked about before thinking about a trade up scenario. This could be Sparanos last stand. Same for G.M. Ireland. Owner Ross would be crazy to allow these 2 an all in scenario that would jeapordize future picks. Like Dying said. This team needs players. We aren't in the position to gamble away potential players for one player alone.

Also. If Sparano doesn't turn it around, and we draft Newton. The next regime is married to the young quarterback. If they like it or not. This may handcuff future prospective regimes, as they may not see any value in a player such as Newton(insert your first rounder). I am comimg around on the Newton Bandwagon. And would actually be in favor of selecting him if we did not have to mortgage our future. IMO, this would be the worst move the Dolphins could make.

dan, yes sorry I'm a huge heat fan as well and thought i was writing that on the heat blog,,,,

it has nothing to do with where they are picked it has to do with how they perform once they get on the squad... ie: Bess & Wake and all the other undrafted players out there... That's why Langford started over Merling in their rookies seasons

DD, So you would take him at #15 then?

Beerphins,

I never clamored about Newton being a 2nd rd'er. I may have stated at that point mock drafts had him slated 2nd rd, that's about it.

Now I only state it's the Espn Kiper and McShay board that's projecting him #3 to the Bills. actually McShay now has him going #10 and Kiper has him going #3.

As long as there was speculation that Andrew Luck may have enter into the 2011 draft pool. There was a consensus amongst socalled draft experts that he was hands down the best qb in this draft. Not even close, not even in the same universe of available qb talent.

After Luck withdrew his name, out of no where comes Blaine Gabberts name. Even some experts had never heard of him before popping so unexpectantly.

When something like this happens it sends up huge red flags in my brain that a name from literally nowhere overtakes the nationally reknowed household names. You really have to really re-evaluate the talent pool when this occurs.

Gotts ask yourself, "How the hell did this happen and why?"

Last time a name appeared out of nowhere to nearly top of the charts was Ronnie Brown. We selected him. Not only has Brown not been close to what we expected. We're hardpressed to remember if any rb from Brown's draft class has had great NFL success.

It could be the same with this 2011 qb draft class. It could be doubly foolish to draft up when this qb class looks eerily similar to the rb class Ronnie Brown was taken from, only qb's this time.

Beerphin...Yes. And this is why. We still have picks in which we can surround him. We give up nothing next year. So if there is another regime, they don't come in handcuffed. I was a guy that thought Newton played in a basic system, that had single reads with a run option. And this was true at the beggining of the year. From what I have learned. The offense became much more complex. Newton was running a basic version of a pro spread(as far as route progressions, and hitting 2nd and third options). Maybe I'm listening to much to Trent Dilfer. Like him or hate him, he understands how to break down the position. He has been raving about Newton since his workout. Watching real tape that we have no access to. He says his footwork, and accuracy are above average. And his arm strength is incredible. Noting that he throws a tight sprial with zip. I'm on board hook line and sinker, if we can take him at 15.

DB, maybe you didn't then but somebody thats a regular hater on Newton said that a whole lot about Newton having no chance at being a 1st rder or an NFL QB... lol he may only have one year in college but that shouldn't be a reason to not consider a guy. He would definitely fit the exception even if that were the case going undefeated and winning the National title / Heisman... lol

I'm definitely not sold at all on Gabbert either I watching him play a few games last year with Missouri and have never even heard of him up until this year. from what i saw he get flustered under pressure and is slow to scramble it almost seems as if there are weights on his back kinda like Henne. I just don't see the comparisons of Rivers and this kid... but He does have intangibles that he could grow into a leader so I guess it makes sense seeing him goto the Raiders... They need to play it safe after the Russel debacle

Craig M,

Just to be clear you had said that the NFL and the NFLPA used an arbitrator. They did not. The person that chose is in fact a mediator. The mediator is kind of like a referee that makes suggestions and is in the same room when they negotiate. He can only make suggestions.

An arbitrator is more a like a judge of the facts. He listens to both sides and then has the power to dictate what happens based on his ruling.

I am not trying to be snippy I was just making sure you knew there was a difference based on your post saying an arbitrator.

Cheers,

Yo Yo Yo Rob in OC..What up!...I said it earlier, but thanks for the shout!

Looking at the first round of this draft. I don't see where we can find a trade partner to get into the second round. I'm sure there are scenarios in which I haven't thought about that will come to the table. As I'm not privy to these conversations I may be missing something. This said, I think the real "meat" in this draft as far as improving our teams are in the 3rd and 4th rounds. I think we can find quality playmakers in these rounds. Either running back or WR. The later rounds are a guess and the most fun to try and predict IMO.

Derek @ 1:55,

Regarding the Wonderlic score for Vince Young it was a 6 originally. When news of the seriously low score hit the media they let him retest. It was disputed and he was allowed to retest. He ended up with a 16 on the retest. Dan Marino also had a 16 on his Wonderlic.

Mike Mamula the Super Bust DE that blew up the combine as a workout warrior at the Spandex Olympics got a 49 on his Wonderlic.

Marino = 16 VS Mamula = 49... So much for the Wonderlic as a crucial indicator of football ability.

NFL Talent Evalation... the ultimate in challenging things to do. Also a number of rungs above being a carnival guesser.

Cheers,

Rob in OC is right....

Rob in OC, my girlfriend's name is Wonderlic, at least that's what I call her....and I was agreeing with you re: the mediator vs arbitrator comment. Good post, one is binding the other is not.

Darryl Dunphy!!!! Wasssup my brudda from anotha mutha? Tip of the cap to ya laddie...how you be this fine Friday?

Oh there will be ALL kinds of juicy scenarios to come and go before the fateful April day my friend.

If I had to go out and call it right now I would say Ireland might really like the overall picture Newton presents from a talent standpoint. I think he will just get snapped up too early and they won't want to pull a crazy trade to get that low.

I am digging on the NFL/NFLPA grabbing the mediator and bolting the doors to talk. At the very least a good sign. Fingers are crossed that the owners really don't want to screw with the stranglehold on major sports they have now and want to avoid a lockout as well.

As for the 3-4 rounds there is some definite talent to be had in that middlin area.

With a guy like Pouncey, Titus Young and others in that late 1st early second range... would be nice to have the pick in the second.

Like you said...hard to find a dance partner for 15 I would think.

Hey, the teams behind us only have to fall in love with one guy to want to jump?

Cheers,

redsky...LOL about your girlfriend's name...great nickname to have man...well done.

Thanks bro!

ROB...The one positive about the teams behind us is that they may all need a lineman(offensive or defensive) It may take a Vernon Davisesque combine workout to make a team drool over a guy they think may be long gone by their turn. That would be the most likely scenario. The bad...This first round is flooded with defensive talent. It may not matter if teams think they can get similar value at their spot. One thing is for sure. Something always happens come draft day that is a suprise. It makes projecting any trades very difficult when the only options involve picks, and not existing players.

Rob, you are correct. Big diff between arbitrator and mediator. A mediator sets up ground rules and tries to keep everybody o point and that's about it.

Alright Fellas...Good day on ye ole' blog...Gotta roll. The band just showed up. Gearing up for the buisiest weekend of the winter....time to go make some caaaash!

DD,

You are right on a playmaker in the 3rd or 4rth.

RB Kendall Hunter (maybe goes in the second)
RB Derrick Locke
RB Noel Devine

WR Jerrel Jernigan
WR Randall Cobb

All of these players may be there in the 3rd or later.

One of the guys that I have been studying more lately is RB DeMarco Murry. He has better size at 6'1" 209lbs than some of the players above. He has a very violent style and I love his second and third effort. He has sharp ,crisp moves and desire to get first downs and TDs with good leg drive. His style lends itself to getting nicked up in college. When he is on he very dynamic.

Injury concerns was the same knock on Thurman Thomas coming out though so you never know. Plus, Tony S is huge on run play counts so he could rotate with RB, Ricky or DeAngelo Williams or whoever?

Rounds 3 and 4 should have some good real estate.

A guy I like a lot in this area is Baylor DT Phil Taylor. His light really came on in his Senior season with 60+ tackles 7 TFL and a couple of sacks. Followed it up with a nice Senior Bowl outing. Has a fierceness about his play. He has the girth at 340 and size 6"4". Any taller and he would probably start losing leverage. Can be a NT that will back Paul up or at least give us a viable plan B if Paul got hurt.

Cheers,

fins will almost def trade down. and what a huge loss it will be if they dont get solari signed

Later on DD! Go tear it up.

cocaojoe,

Hey bro... I was gonna give you props on one of your posts recently but, the old steel trap loosened it's grip on me.

Oh well...props to you post anywho as it was a good un.

Cheers,

I hope you are right on both accounts bill.

I am not enamored with many picks at 15 and I think an extra 2nd or 3rd would serve us well.

Replacing Solai would be a chore and I don't think they want to either. He could wind up being a Kris Jenkins type (sans the injuries) and play a long time. The cup is half full for me with Solai being as he is still young and has really started getting better of late.

Cheers,

Rams just dumped Atogwe to avoid paying him an $8 mill. roster bonus. He is free to go anywhere he wants. He may not be superlative but he's way better than Clemons.

I groove on VY coming here. Sparano is good (heck, he has to be good at something) with these Prima Donnas and VY has the stats. He's a good QB. His wonderlic hasn't hurt the fact that he puts a lot of Ws up.

Glad the NFL and NFLPA agreed to a mediator. There is hope! Keeps the idiot egos out of it.

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