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Henne's meeting with Daboll, Dorrell apparently violates CBA contact rules

The NFL has warned "several teams" that players are not to meet with coaches and receive playbooks during this time in the offseason, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported over the weekend. The league has sent the Dolphins no such warning.

But perhaps it should.

That's because Chad Henne, Miami's presumed starting quarterback, told The Miami Herald today he's been meeting with new offensive coordinator Brian Daboll for the last month in preparation for player-organized workouts that would replace any offseason workouts or minicamps lost to a possible lockout or other circumstance related to the uncertain and unresolved collective bargaining contract.

Henne, apparently comfortable with the new playbook, would presumably run the offensive portion of the workouts. To be equiped for that task, Henne had to learn portions of the playbook, or at least significant portions of it. And to do that, he likely had to study the darn thing.

Regardless, even meeting with Daboll to discuss strategy and plays is apparently out of bounds, according to the Plain Dealer. And that definitely happened.

"I took some vacation time, maybe a week or two here or there, but once we signed Coach Brian Daboll, I tried to get into there as quick as I could to learn the offense," Henne told the Herald's David J. Neal. "I've been meeting with him for the last month now. I feel pretty comfortable with what he's teaching and what the offense is going to be about just in case -- who knows what's going to happen this Thursday? -- that I can pass it on to the guys and help the guys out."

Henne is quoted extensively in the story talking about the new offense and how it is quarterback friendly and a mix of the New England and New York Jets offense. The story does not make the conclusion that Henne violated any rules. It does not even consider the topic.

But I do.

According to the Plain Dealer, coaches and GMs at the NFL Scouting Combine were told by league officials that existing rules forbid meetings with coaches and the dispensing of playbooks until the official start of offseason conditioning programs on March 15. The league is saying the offseason rules were a concession to the wishes of the players union, which did not want coaches pressuring players to meet with coaches until the off-season programs kicked off, the Plain Dealer reported.

The Plain Dealer report specifically addressed meetings relative to strategy. Players and coaches are allowed to meet to discuss other matters, such as contract issues and to simply handle introductions and other business until March 3, it has been reported. 

An NFL spokesman could not immediately be reached on this matter. A message left with a Dolphins spokesman has not yet been returned.

Update: A Dolphins spokesman declined comment and added he would not even confirm that Henne had indeed met with Daboll -- although the spokesman was present today when Henne said he met with Daboll. I find that amusing for some reason.

Update 2: Whatever advantage the Dolphins gained (if any) is done because the league year ends March 3rd anyway and everyone knows and understands there is to be no contact between players and their teams after March 3rd.

Update 3: Veteran St. Louis scribe and radio host Howard Balzer passed along the portion of the NFL's clarification of the Collective Bargaining Agreement that shows the contact between Henne and Daboll to be out of bounds.

The current collective bargaining agreement, which doesn’t expire until midnight March 3, has strict rules regarding what players can do before the beginning of offseason programs. The NFL has made this clear to clubs by way of written clarification. That clarification reads:

 "Prior to the start of off-season programs, players are permitted to use the Club’s facilities on a voluntary basis subject to the following rules: (i) such players may not receive per diem payments or workout bonuses of any kind and may not be paid or reimbursed expenses for travel, board or lodging during this period; (ii) such players are not permitted to participate in organized workouts, practices or meetings of any kind; (iii) the Club’s strength and conditioning coaches may not direct such players’ individual workouts, but may supervise use of the weight room to prevent injury, correct misuse of equipment, etc.; and (iv) such players may not be directed or supervised by position coaches during this period."

Obviously, the quarterback meeting with the offensive coordinator is a meeting of some kind when the CBA clearly states meetings of any kind are out of bounds.

Balzer also tells me via e-mail that in St. Louis, quarterback Sam Bradford has not met with his new offensive coordinator for this reason.

Update 4: Henne didn't just meet with Brian Daboll. Quarterback coach Karl Dorrell was in the room also at Dolphins training camp. That is similarly a violation of the CBA. And this is not just speculation. This is straight from Henne's mouth.

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Mando,

No wonder they locked you out of the press conference a few months back...LOL

Regardless, it is a silly rule, these guy's are professionals not high school kids that have to be protected from an over ambitious coach. This is proof again that Unions have reached obsolescence...silly,stupid amateurish rule...

DC....the only people making a big deal out of this is the poster's on here and maybe the SS (maybe..i have never been on there).....

I think this is the biggest non-issue since it happened a few weeks ago in SAN FANCISCO.....

Yes...this happened to the 49'ers and this time it was the HC and the QB....not the OC and QB.....

where do you suppose that "friendly fire" came from.....
http://www.ninersnation.com

Thats right...a WEBSITE CALLED NINER NATION....

A buck is a buck....weather its made by Armando...o'neal...or NINER NATION....

If he didn't report it somebody else would....

and BTW....NINERS got a warning.....i'm sure we'll get the same

Aloco....thank you.....that is what I have been trying to tell the Blog since yesterday.....I had no idea so many would be enraged by such a NON-ISSUE.....

Bet Armando didn't either.....

Hell have no fury like a Dolphin fan.....

I think the BigNasty13 | February 28, 2011 at 11:51 PM post summed it up pretty well. This Henne thing is a non issue.

About the offensive line though,

Something I have floated in here before is that the Raiders pulling LG Gallary is available as a FA.

Getting to the 2nd level was a problem for the Dolphins last year. Perhaps Gallary could be a good answer.

As far as Carey goes, I dont know about shipping him off but maybe he could move to RG.

He would be an expensive RG but Carey has been a pretty consistent good player for the Dolphins over the years. A move to G might extend his career.

That would leave a hole at RT where Tyron Smith, OT, USC could be a good pick if he were to slip to the Dolphins at #15.

Just a thought. I would love to see the Dolphins have a dominant offensive line some day.

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That last entry of yours didn't go too well, eh Armando? Don't worry, nobody wins them all. Keep on trekking.

Henne talked about a new offense.

Daboll talked about a new offense.

As long as he didn't hand Henne an actual playbook, no foul, no story.

Henne is allowed to meet new coaches for introductory purposes. That's all they have to explain.

As far as Henne's intelligence, excuse the guy for trying to be on top of the new offense. Excuse the guy for being at the facility trying to focus on a season that might not even happen. Excuse the guy for wanting to be the defacto OC and help get the team rolling in the middle of a greed fest that might rob us fans of a season.

NOPE! You numb nuts want to make fun of his smarts because he's not studying up on CBA's and all the BS bylaws threatening the season and making these jerks billions of dollars.

I'm sure Henne didn't call this meeting. I'm sure it was the organization or someone in the organization above Henne.

If any rules were being violated, I believe management should have made it clear and advised Henne not to mention it to anyone, especially the media.

All of you that want to blame a player for this are simply ignorant DuuuuuuuSH Bags!!!!

Ultimately and for damage control, all they have to say is that "a new offense" was discussed, period. Everyone already knows a new offense will be installed. While no playbooks were presented, it was mentioned that the new offense will be more like N.E.'s/Jets. Duh! You know, an offense that actually got their teams to the playoffs.

This is the biggest dumb a s s non-story that I've ever seen. Then to try an blame it on a player? Get a life and an education while you're at it.

PS: Mr, Goodell I hope you and your billionaire friends can settle this petty dispute with your spoiled millionaire employees in time for us hard working everyday fans to enjoy the upcoming season.

Not EVEN a Valhalla!!!!

PSS: Nice Armando, scraping the bottom of the barrell on this one. Interesting you decided to spin it the way you did.

Ireland said he wanted speed in the Team, so I have to assume that Ingram is out of the picture.

I hope so too, Oregon.

mando are you a JETS FAN or why do you bring up this stuff??? Do you think Brady does not have his playbook from last year ANYMORE AND DID FORGET EVERYTHING.

oscar - Armando did very well on this entry ...his purpose is to generate blog hits, the content of the bloggers is irrelevant. Higher blog hits helps them sell more advertising space.

Well hes not gonna get any future traffic from me. Savor the hit form me wile you got it turd!

The reason Armando should write for the Jets

Seems to me you do way more harm than good. Why do even print that crap? Just to hurt the dolphins and dolfans? You should move to new york and mess with them and lay off us. I stopped reading the herald last year because you don't know what constructive criticism is.
I deiced to give you another shot and look at the mess you started this year. Bye forever

Here's the response I got
If you stop reading my stuff, I won't have anyone left to tell me where I should work, where I should live, what I should cover. Who will I turn to for all my career advice?

henne couldn't even run a bingo game at a retirement home, he would find a way to screw that up too!

so lame, armando will stoop to any depth to undermine Henne. what a joke.

Odin, Henne talked when he should not have. He should have done his duty and not seek accolades in the press for it. He would have been eventually been credited for it if they were successful! He is trying to make himself look good after the press skewered him last season. Can't blame him, but he should have not spoken. Not smart! Sorry....

A player shows some devotion to his craft and wants to save his career by studying the playbook and he gets vilified. But getting drunk on SB, drive drunk home and then beat up one of his girl friends is somehow less of a violation. Give me a break.

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Ahhhh the joke of the aft east is at it again I see. Who cares they need all the help they can get. Henne can spend all the time he wants understanding the offense but it will not prevent all the wild throws, high throws and general inaccuracy.

That's the QB we have a dumb a s s that first doesn't know the rule book either!! LMAO man I hope we get rid of that clown! Even if he did why even talk to the media about it what a moron!! LOL!!

Posted by: ray | February 28, 2011 at 04:30 PM

The NFL has come out and said Henne violated no rule. If you are LMAO you just may disappear. Evidently Henne was correct and you are mistaken, so Ray, You're the moron. LOL!

this is another reason why unions suck. If he wants to learn the playbook on his own time that should be ok. I think he is only trying to get better and i love anyone who goes the extra mile.

This has got to be the most bone head article I have ever read. Make sure to keep this ass clown off the sidelines......

Armando,

If you are looking to get fired, forget about it. I'm going to put in a word at the Herald that you should be transfered from reporting on the fins to something else. How about men's figure skating? I think you'd fit in just fine in that sport. Maybe they will give you some inspiration. You are pathetic.

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