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The things we learned from this Super Bowl winner

ARLINGTON -- So what did we learn from the Super Bowl winner?

As I wrote in my column from Arlington, the Green Bay Packers are a deep team, a team that showed a lot of preserverance, a team that went the long route on the road the entire length of the playoffs and played the NFL's most successful franchise and still won it all.

What else did we learn?

You can win the Super Bowl with virtually no running game. The Packers found their starting running back off the deepest part of the depth chart to playoff starter James Starks. Green Bay called 11 rushing plays while throwing 39 times.

A team can be flawed in small ways in other areas. Those can be patched. But you cannot patch QB.

You cannot win the Super Bowl without a great QB, fellas. Simple as that.

Aaron Rodgers was the MVP this game. He completed 24 of 39 passes for 304 yards with 3 TDs and no interceptions. The man who once bore the burden of replacing legend Brett Favre is now writing his own legacy.

"I’ve never felt like there’s been a monkey on my back," Rodgers said. "The organization stood behind me, believed in me. That’s what I did on the podium; I thanked Ted (Thompson) and Mark (Murphy) and Mike (McCarthy) really for believing in me and giving me an opportunity. I told Ted back in 2005 he wouldn’t be sorry with this pick. I told him in ’08 that I was going to repay their trust and get us this opportunity."

Let's be serious here, folks. To win the brass ring -- or the Lombardi Trophy -- a team really does need a franchise QB. The last franchise to win the biggest game of all without a franchise QB?

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2003, who had such a stifling defense, having solid QB play was good enough. Some of you will also bring up Trent Dilfer. Really? Let's see that was a decade ago and the game has changed since then. Stop living in the past.

Also, the 2001 Ravens were perhaps the greatest NFL defense of all time. All time! So I guess, perhaps, maybe, if you put the greatest defense of all time together, you can win a title. Once. But compete for one year after year after year?

You need a great QB.

Since the Ravens won, the Mannings, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger and Drew Brees have won the Super Bowl. Now we add Rodgers.

You need a great QB.

You need a great QB.

You need a great QB.

Are you getting the message I'm sending and why?

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Armando, the next great young nfl qb can be had for less than a 1st rd pick. His name is Ricky Stanzi.

Im just our fo wont be smart enough to draft him. Geesh@!

The truly sad part is that the Fins could've had Brees TWICE as well as Rodgers, and don't be shocked if Matt Ryan wins one in the enar future too.

Ricky Stanzi is going to be a nfl stud. Armando please mention his name as much as possible when you're around dolphin personel people.

Think about it Armando. Then if they dont pick him and he turns out to be great, you can b*itch about it for the next ten years in your bolg! LOL.....................

Its a freaking miracle Stanzi can be had so cheap in this nfl draft. If we dont take him Im damn near threw with being a Dolphin fan! LOL....................

Unfortunately, knowing the Dolphins, they might pass on Stanzi....they've passed on soooo many great players and coaching staff.

Redsky,

Im seriously going to cry if we pass after having chance to grab Stanzi. The kid has "IT"!

If we pass on Stanzi, it can be confirmed beyond the shadow of all doubts this faranchise is truly cursed!

Ricky Stanzi will become a household name in the nfl whether its with the Miami Dolphins or not!

When we took Dan Marino with the 27th pick I remember telling my best friend at that very moment, "We just stole the draft"!

All that I truly knew about Marino at that point was that he had "IT"! I havent truly felt that way about a qb we had chance to get since. Until now, until Ricky Stanzi.

Call it what you want, sixth sense or whatever. Im very rarely wrong when I feel this strongly about something. Everytime I go against it I paid heavily out of my a*ss!

Ricky Stanzi's born to be a Dolphin qb. He's our gift from the football gods after wandering in the wilderness for 40yrs. I know it hasnt quite been 40, but its damn close enough!

The 2 Chads are a sign from the football gods we've seen the last of Henne-Penne quarterbacking in Miami! LOL...............

ARRON ROGERS HAVE VERY BIG EYES. THE FOOTBALK FIELD (((LOOKS))) LIKE IT IS ON A BACKWARD MIRRER TO HIM

I'll leave you guys with this and Im out. Ricky Stanzi will lead us to a SB win within his first 3 seasons.

Reverse The Curse! LOL...................

Dying breed lay off the crack dude we heard you in your first post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q952PY7LyQk

Chad Henne development crew. Maybe we need a new QB in the draft.

I have to say if that dude w mf dead shembecklers talked about me thay way in a concert I would bust him in the head with a fist or two. Henne seems to have just taken it w no fighting back, Those would be fighting words for me in that song and I would bust that dude in the mouth. The phins need a new QB Stat.

Stanzi will be converted to a long snapper

I like Stanzi too but i think we would NEED to trade down and gain a 2nd rd pick...and what if Ryan Mallett is still available??? i take him over anyone

In the Insight Bowl Ricky Stanzi and Blaine Gabbert went head to head. Stanzi's Hawkeyes won 27-24.

Gabbert 41-57 for 434yds, I guess Iowa's secondary sucked. Missouri's run defense sucked with Iowa feature rb going for 219 yds in 33 carries.

Though Gabbert threw for 434yds in 57 attempts. Stanzi only had to throw the ball 21 times for 11 completions. Of those 11 completions, 4 of Stanzi's completions were for 49, 39, 38, and 13yds.

Of Gabbert's 41 completions only one was at least 16yds and the next longest completion was only for 12yds. Gabbert sounds like the 2nd coming of check down Chad to me. LOL...........

Zach,

Stanzi isnt projected to go until around 4th-5th rd. Some scouts are really dropping the ball on this kid. LOL.............

Anyone wants to see the head to head Insight Bowl game stats on Gabbert vs Stanzi cut and paste this link:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=303622294

Any guy whose last name closely resembles mullett(Mallett) I'll pass on! LOL...............

"SENIOR BOWL PRACTICE, WEDNESDAY: Stanzi's practice was very similar to Locker's. He came up short on multiple passes when his receiver was in perfect position to receive the throw and sailed the ball on seam passes. He is able to stand tall and deliver a tight ball from the pocket, which will entice teams who like his 6-foot-4, 221-pound frame and starting experience"

Ryan is also a terrible first name for a nfl qb. All Ryans have terribly sucked as nfl qb's, with the most famous one's last name being Leaf. Please wash your brain Zach! LOL............

I said it many times before QB >>>> RB Screw trying to get a RB in the 1st round. The Phins have wasted 3 1st rouns selections on the RB in the past decaded. 2 for Ricky and 1 for Ronnie. Where has it got the team? NOWHERE AT ALL! GET A QB!!!!!!!!!!

It all go's back to Matt Ryan,and Bill Parcell's ego.

Hello, my name is Edward and I am a decaying mule corpse.

My stench is unbearable and I am covered in maggots and flies.

Thank You.

You get a great qb if one is available. If there isn't you keep building somewhere else. While Henne hasn't been great don't waste a pick out of shear terror. Other positions on the field can make a qb look real good.
Although, I wonder if the administration of the team would have made the same choices between Rodgers and Favre

Can one year you NOT do an article about "what we learned, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH." Every stinking year. So boring and predictable,

Who cares?

An offensive lineman will be (and should be) drafted in the 1st round. You can take that to the bank. My guess is Gabe Carimi, LT from Wisconsin.

Chad Henne will be (and should be) the starter next year. I hope like hell he is better than last year.

Stupid article. No kidding a great QB translates to winning. What a revelation. The problem is there are only 4-5 great QBs in t he league at any given time. No s--t, every NFL team wants an Aaron Rodgers. Unfortunately you are talking about 4 or 5 players over the course of the last 12 years with 32 teams trying to get that player. Other than Brady, guys like Manning, Rodgers and Rivers were all studs in college and there is no QB in this years draft even close to these guys talent. If you dont have a great QB you can still win with a great D and even a decent QB. The hated Jets have come close with an average at best QB and so did the Bears. Need to shore up our line and get some speed.

NEW facts resulted from the gb winning the SB ;


1- THE GB COACH IS THE GREATEST COACH SINCE LAST NIGHT AND THANKS FOR ROGERS .

2- ARRON ROGERS FIRST QB EVER TO WIN A SB ,HAD SUFFERED 2 CONCUSSIONS IN THE SAME SEASON.

3-HE SOLD OUT HIS FOOTBALL AND HELMET ON QVC FOR 599 LAST NIGHT.

4-HENNE'S TURN NEXT YEAR ....... OR ORTON ......

A defense that has players that can catch the ball & return said ball to the opposing team's end zone is helpful also.

So all we need is a great qb. And a G, C, TE, RB, lightning quick/fast WR, ILB, KR, PR, & 5 decent special team players. That's all.

ARMANDO:

I DON'T THINK BIG BEN OR ELI ARE GREAT.

I THINK THEY ARE BETTER THAN MOST BUT NOT GREAT.

THOSE TEAMS ALSO HAVE PLAYS WHERE THEY RUN 4 WIDE.

THIS DOLPHIN TEAM DON'T RUN 4 WIDE. AT ALL.

PLUS HOW MANY OF THEM WAS GREAT IN THEIR FIRST FULL YEAR AS A STARTER.

OR IN THEIR SECOND YEAR AT THAT.

IF YOUR GOING TO MAKE A STAMENT LIKE THAT DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND COME WITH FACTS.

I THOUGHT REPORTERS DELT WITH FACTS.

HOW MANY GAMES DID CHAD PLAY.

COMPARE THAT WITH THOSE GUYS BODY OF WORK FROM THIER FIRST GAME ON.

NO CHAD'S NOT PAYTON,ELI,BEN, OR RODGERS.

BUT HE STILL CAN BE THE NEXT BEST QB

OR THE WORST ONE FOR THAT MATTER.

BUT HE PLAYED BETTER THAN THAT GUY FROM THE JETS.

SO NOW ASK YOURSELF WHY?

Rogers was booed his first year, just like Henne this past year. Teams that win Super Bowls are also teams that show confidence in their personnel and don't listen to idiot fans that want everyone fired every other year.

I learned that some teams can overcome injuries, and some teams can't. GB was so decimated by injury, they lost mid-year to the Dolphins. But then their backups stepped up and filled the void, and then they won the SuperBowl.

Unfortunately, when our backups are given their chance (Chicago game), they completely flop on their faces. That's coaching and a lack of developing players, that's the GM not getting adequate talent on the team, that's ownership not investing enough on personnel (no, you don't have to be the Redskins, but all the top teams spend more on their players than we do).

What gets me is Miami HAS the "storied history" of a Steelers or Packers (not as storied, but still has a rich history). Miami players should be steeped in that history. But, I don't really get a sense that history is mentioned much (at least for the last decade). Miami's become so used to losing all this time, they lost their way (no light to guide them). The Shula's, Marino's, No Name Defense, none of those guys are used as motivation to today's teams. We need to get back to the tradition, to bring some confidence back to this organization and pride to the team. Then maybe they won't flop around for 7 games every season and play like the rich history deserves.

What we learned:

1. Henne is not in the same league as Aaron or Ben, and never will be.

2. Sparano is not in the same league as McCarthy or Tomlin, and never will be.

3. Gutz pays off, both teams showed gutz with the play calling. TS coaches like its the Nursery Footbal League.

H,FIN FAN ,

(( ROGERS WAS BOOED IN HIS FIRST YEAR )) ,NICE COMMENT FOR THE IDIOTS LIKE 0X80 TO READ .

No $hit Mando! Another great revelation from you. Now your sheep are all praising your brilliant analysis that a team needs a great QB.

0x80, "gutz pay off, both teams showed gutz with the play calling."

AMEN BROTHER! Read a quote from McCarthy from earlier in the week where he basically said he has this hot QB, and he's going to ride him all the way.

Basically, he was saying that taking chances, letting it fly, trusting your personnel is how you win. Being scared of what if's and micromanaging people and not sticking your neck out for fear it might get chopped off is typically how you get to 7-9.

I hope Tony Sparano was watching how a Head Coach can not be an obstacle to his team winning. And HC's can even give that slight edge a team needs to differentiate itself from a competitor. Sparano did that for us once (in '08). He needs to do it again.

ALoco, on behalf of all the bloggers, I'd like to commend you on your always intelligent, insightful and comprehensible comments. Keep up the excellent work,

I think Aaron Rodgers became great by watching Brett Favre!! Seriously. This guy fell from #1 pick to like 28 in that years draft. If he had gone to SF. He would have been Henne!! And Marino isn't coming back to show any one how either!! Pennington is good but he is check down Chad!!!
Trade for Orten now!!

Also, and not beat a dead horse here, but I'm seriously wondering.

For all the "Henne has all the tools, I think he can still be a good QB in this league" people out there, I just have one question I'd like you to honestly contemplate.

Let's say Henne learns to be accurate, learns to read defenses better, learns leadership, all of that. Yesterday proved that to be a good QB in the NFL, YOU MUST EXTEND PLAYS! Rodgers did it, Big Ben did it, any of the other QBs anyone would say are "good" in today's NFL can do it.

How does Henne learn to extend plays? Again, not a knock, just an honest question. How does this big, slow, immobile kid learn to extend a play (move when he feels the pressure coming, get out of the pocket while still looking upfield, throwing on the run, etc.)?

Because, I don't care if it's Chad Henne or any other QB, you have to be able to extend a play during games and cannot always count on perfect pass coverage.

Really?
I wonder what Fran Tarkengton and Dan Marino would say about that?
If we had drafted Matt Ryan or Fleco, they would have been killed by opposing teams.

Teams of the decade require building from the inside out.
Yes, we need a good quarterback, but only in the context of an already talented team.

Wow mando you're a genius. you can't win a superbowl without an elite QB. Of I'll just go puck one off the QB tree.

Ricky Stanzi is projected as a 5 or 6th round pick. His arm is mediocre and until his senior season he wasn't very accurate. He may be a Dolphin draft choice, but his value would be in the 4th or 5th round. There are lots of QB's that project higher than him. So get off that Stanzi bandwagon.

Hawk, your point is as silly as the one you're criticizing Mando for. We've tried your route (see the last decade), hasn't worked. Yes, you need the players around the QB too, but the point he's making here, is in TODAY'S NFL (not the 80's or 60's when the other guys you mentioned played), you need an elite QB.

Boulder, no, elite QBs aren't just sitting around waiting to be plucked. But when you haven't drafted a 1st-round QB since 1998, you're not really seriously understanding the way the league works now. When you keep plugging in these over-the-hill or less-than-stellar or just plain mediocre QB free agents, for years and years and years, and HAVEN'T developed ANY QBs since Dan Marino, then you basically are saying you're happy being 7-9.

Miami should learn from it's mistake and draft a QB every year until they find what they're looking for (trust me, doing it my way will be quicker than doing it the way it's been done here).

it all starts with the GM and the coach. unfortunately we are lacking in both positions. now add a bunch of questionable coaching selections. then give extensions to the guys you were going to fire??????

"I learned that some teams can overcome injuries, and some teams can't. GB was so decimated by injury, they lost mid-year to the Dolphins. But then their backups stepped up and filled the void, and then they won the SuperBowl.

Unfortunately, when our backups are given their chance (Chicago game), they completely flop on their faces. That's coaching and a lack of developing players, that's the GM not getting adequate talent on the team, that's ownership not investing enough on personnel

"

Alright points, but what the Packers did is very rare and had nothing to do with the back office or the coaches. The players stepped up.

Not sure why people love to turn things into a sparano or henne bash fest over everything.

I'm two things away from becoming a Packer fan and giving up the Miami Dolphin franchise tag on myself. Ether A. The dolphins make the playoffs next year, or B, dec 21 2012 hits as predicted by the Mayans and that's the end of that anyway. Aaron Rodgers is awesome and I'm still shaking my head that the Dolphins hired Brian Dabol and Tony Sparano Jr. Tony sparano Jr??? I guess I'm looking at 2012, not playoffs.

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Rogers was booed his first year, just like Henne this past year. Teams that win Super Bowls are also teams that show confidence in their personnel and don't listen to idiot fans that want everyone fired every other year"

Whats funny is our fans always point to "stealers" to emulate and want cowher, but dont realize they gave cowher 15 years to win a superbowl.

Our fans are mostly clueless and dont know what they believe in or want imo.

mike, what you need to understand from DB and guys like him is this belief that Miami has this magic ability to assess QB talent. Sure, they haven't shown that ability in the last 3 decades, but trust them, they got it.

And since it's not 100% that you can get a franchise QB out of the 1st-round, these guys think that Miami is so knowledgeable as to see talent that no other team sees (since, if Stanzi is projected 3-4 round, then he'll be passed over multiple times by all the other 31 teams).

Never mind developing the guy (which Miami hasn't shown an ability to do either, case in point, Chad Henne).

Frankly though, I don't care if it's Stanzi, or Newton, or Locker, or Devlin or some 7th-round no name. Franchise QBs win titles, Miami needs a franchise QB, and so I just want that position to be addresses every draft until that player is found.

Because if you don't draft a QB, then you're 100% NOT going to get the Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady or Peyton Manning of the draft.

Why do I feel after last nights game and the last 4 Miami played last year that there Light years away from the play-offs and even further away from a super bowl... JMHO..

Dc,

Good post at 9:14am. I don't have an answer for that question. I guess that's the stuff the OC and QB coach will have to work on. Can it be taught? Don't know. There's no question that Henne is leaps and bounds from what we saw from both QBs last night. One thing I'd like to add though....if the Dolphins had drafted Rodgers back in 2005 there is no way he would be doing in Miami what he did in Green Bay this year. Picture it, Dan Henning as the OC, a broken down line, no running game and a bunch of receivers nothing like what he has in Green Bay. Oh yeah, I'll take Mike
McCarthy and Tom Clements' coaching over anything we have in Miami right now too.

One thing I'd like to add that we learned from this game, Armando. That a much criticized and belittled GM can have success and win a championship in this league. The fans in GB have been calling for Ted Thompson's head for years. They have criticized him for not being aggressive enough in FA and for not taking chances in the draft. They've also criticized him for not giving up draft picks this year for a running back, such as Marshawn Lynch. Well guess what?....the fans aren't always right! Thompson has stuck to his game plan and not listened to the media and fans. He's been right more often than he's been wrong and he's assembled a very good roster.

Jeff Ireland, if you read this blog....keep doing what you believe in and DON'T be influenced by the fans or media. Work hard, do your due dilligence and don't take too many silly chances. With the backing of ownership this roster can be improved to be one of the best in the league too.

corners, it has everything to do with the front office. Who do you think assembles the talent on a team? If you don't have talent, then how can a coach expect a backup to "step up." If you want to see the quality of talent we have (or any team) in their backups and role players, just look at special teams (that's where those players are taken from). The fact that we have horrible special teams speaks exactly to the fact that our backups aren't good enough to step up when asked.

And who's responsible for assembling talent, the front office.

Look, if you don't even want to hold your ENTIRE organization responsible, then just accept being mediocre and watching the SuperBowl from your house.

I bet if you asked the Steelers today, they're not happy with ANYTHING they did this year. Tomlin is thinking today what he needs to improve on to do better next year. The whole Steelers organization is thinking that.

So I think a 7-9 team needs to overturn EVERY rock and blame EVERYONE for their position right now.

The first step in SHEDDING MEDIOCRITY is NOT ACCEPTING MEDIOCRITY!!! Someday, the fans will get that.

the 2008 season probably hurt us in the long run. it reinforced an old parcells belief that you only need a game manager qb who doesnt lose the game for you. any qb (they believe) can win the div. by not commiting turnovers/mistakes. mix in a so-so running game to milk the clock and hope to beat the weakest schedule in the nfl was the recipe for success that year. 2008 reinforced the idea of playing not to lose with no mistakes. this philosophy is shared by parcells disciples ireland/sparano. 7-9 seasons followed with bad qb play,bad playcalling,poor drafts and a FG mentality.


The first step in SHEDDING MEDIOCRITY is NOT ACCEPTING MEDIOCRITY!!! Someday, the fans will get that.

Posted by: DC Dolfan | February 07, 2011 at 10:00 AM

"Those that dont accept change are due to wallow in there own mediocrity"

Craig, I agree about not always listening to fans. But Ireland (and Sparano, etc.) need to stop with this "acorn" crap and swapping players in and out so quickly. Erik Walden, gone (goes on to help another team with the SuperBowl), everyone sees how Sparano messed up the oline). GB spends the time to develop it's players. Miami hasn't done that as well.

So I'm all for Ireland having a strategy and sticking to it, but I'm NOT for players coming in one day and being let go the next because they haven't lived up to whatever it was the FO wanted to see.

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