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What they do, not say: Pass-rush edition

First the news: ILB Rashad Jeanty signed a contract today with the Philadelphia Eagles. He went with the Eagles even though the Dolphins and the Jets also offered him similar one-year deals.

The reason the South Florida native went north?

A source tells me he was simply more comfortable with the situation in Philadelphia over that with the Dolphins and Jets. He felt he had a better chance to start there than in Miami or New York.

On another front:

If you are a Dolphins In Depth reader with any standing or memory, you know I've told you to be wary of what the club and its personnel say but always accept what those folks do as gospel.

We remember this lesson from the Gibril Wilson lovefest of last offseason that led to his departure. We learned it when Cam Cameron loved on Daunte Culpepper publicly while I told you the kid was on the outs -- and months later he was cut. We learned this when Dave Wannstedt went on and on about how valuable Dan Marino was and how he could write his own ticket in the waning years of his career and, meanwhile, the Dolphins had him come to their offices to void his contract and usher him out.

It is not always about what they say. It is about what they do.

Well, the Dolphins last year where seemingly thrilled with Cameron Wake exploding onto the NFL scene with 14 sacks. They repeated time and again how pleased they were with rookie Koa Misi's development as a pass-rusher even though he showed good-not-great ability and good-not-great results with 4.5 sacks.

(For the record, I think Misi will be fine as a pass-rusher. He's more an effort guy, a high-motor guy. He's not the most gifted guy on the field, but he'll get his stats because he never quits and works hard. And he'll probably be a bit better when he learns the game and techniques better.)

So the Dolphins seemed quite pleased with their pass-rush and obviously the 39 team sacks for the season was good enough to tie them for 10th in the NFL.

But ...

While the Dolphins seemed satisfied in what they said about their pass-rush, their deeds yelled otherwise.

Even as many folks were hoping GM Jeff Ireland would improve the offense during the season any way he could -- perhaps putting in a waiver claim on Randy Moss -- he instead went with a waiver claim on outside linebacker Shawne Merriman when San Diego cut him loose.

Obviously, Ireland and the Dolphins saw a need to improve the pass rush at the time even as Wake was going nuts on offensive tackles.

Recently, The Miami Herald reported, the club interviewed former linebacker Bryan Cox for a defensive line coaching position. Although the club has yet to finalize anything on that front, a club source says part of the intrigue with Cox would be getting him to 1.) help defenders upgrade their pass-rush skills 2.) bring a more aggressive and perhaps even emotional approach to the front seven.

So, again, pass-rushing is on the club's mind.

What does that mean?

Obviously, the team is not afraid of improving an area of the team that is already fairly stout. It's a good idea because, after all, the New York Giants long ago wrote the recipe for defeating Tom Brady and the Patriots and that was hurry him, rush him, sack him, and hit him time after time.

This also suggests we should not lose sight of available pass-rushers in the coming draft and eventual free agency. I won't go into names here. It's too early for that. Or you can do it in the comments section. But, I tell you, do not sleep on additions to the pass-rush this offseason even as everyone is focused on offense.

Sure, the Dolphins haven't said they want to add a pass-rusher. But remember, it's about what they do, not necessarily what they say.

[NOTE: This will be the last blog update until Feb. 28. The Miami Herald, you see, imposes mandatory furloughs on its employees to reduce salary costs. It does so twice a year, lately. I am on mandatory furlough this week so I will not be working for The Herald thus not allowed to update this blog.

That doesn't mean I'm off this week. I will still be on my morning radio show, Armando and the Amigo, every morning 6-10 from Monday to Friday on 640-Sports in South Florida and streaming live on the web. If anything Dolphins related happens, you can bet I'll be discussing it on the air and taking calls about it, too. So you can tune in or call, if you wish.

I will also be live on my twitter account which is under my name. Please follow me to get my tweets. Later this week I will be sharing information on the NFL scouting combine. I'll hope to be back here with you on Feb. 28.]

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Craig, I agree we need to upgrade at TE. It is a given. But it is not like we have a panzy in Fasano at TE.

We have more pressing needs at this stage, and spending a super-duper mindset at TE at the expense of other more sobering demands is not intellegent.

Fas is already signed. He might be at the bottem third (I will research this info; and call you on it if incorrect!) but we have players that will not be resigned...

Those areas need address pronto, even if we have to keep our third rate rats.

0x80,

I can see that senerio, as long as we don't spend a draft this year at TE.

Unaffordable...

Gulf,

You may be right. Just really tired of TE being moved to the bottom of the pile. There was quality and quantity in last years draft and we chose to ignore it. I'm tired of always doing that and then ending up with other people's re-treads. You want to find a way to stop having Marshall being double teamed? Find a TE who's a threat. Who can run with the CB's and who people need to pay attention to. Teams want to focus on Marshall all day then the TE will kill them. We don't have that guy on the team right now. Find him!

Gulp,

I'll disagree with your last comment. Yes we have needs but some of them can be filled in free agency. For example, I've been a big supporter of taking a running back in the first three rounds of this draft but what if we could sign D'Angelo Williams or Michael Bush? I think they would be a good answer for a couple of years. What if we were able to sign Plaxico Burress or Santonio Holmes or Steve Breaston? Then taking a WR in the draft doesn't become a need. I think with both Mankins and Khalil being franchised it becomes a certainty that we take an OL in the first three rounds of this draft. There are problems at C, RT and RG. The line needs to be better next year in order for us to run the ball better.

So all I'm saying is, even with 6 picks in the draft (hopefully 7), we could still have an improved lineup if we could fill spots with 2-3 guys through FA too.

MARK INGRAM IS DOWN TO 212 Ib FOR COMBINE ,HIS AGENT SAID ,MARK ISN'T GETTING READY FOR THE COMBINE ,HE'S GETTING READY TO BE A HALL OF FAME PLAYER .


SOURCE...PFT


Craig, there you go again relying on FA as an answer before the draft, when that it impossible.

Again, do not mistake me. I'd love to get a premium TE. But you are fishing.

And the "Gulp" is all you...

Alaco, you see Ingram as a added treasure for Miami? So do I.

GulpDolphin,


as DB SAID,MARK INGRAM IS FOR REAL .

mark ingram = bust.

2 watt,

i am going to work to support you ,so long .

If you don't pick up Shockey then yea TE should be high up on the draft board not to replace Fasano but to complement him in double TE packages

I'd make sure I grab one after WR was taken care of anyone else like Terrance Toliver outta LSU in the 3rd rd or Cecil Shorts III outta Mount Union?

DD,

The further down the draft board you get, the more of a guessing game it becomes as to who goes in what round.

You very easily could be 100% correct and TE Julius Thomas could fall way down to bottom round or even a FA. In a weaker class of TE's in general I think his dart makes it on the draft's second day board (and probably closer to the bottom).

Heck last year I don't know that ANYONE was predicting RB Legarrett Blount would be a FA but he was.

Sometimes you see guys very highly rated in mags and on websites by pundits, pros and talking heads but then every team passes until the later rounds. G Carl Nicks was that way. Miami needed a guard bad. He was very highly rated talent coming out but ended up sliding until later when N.O. tabbed him in the 5th round.

I know we need an upgrade at TE and I think he is athletic enough to be looked at late rounds. From a triangle number standpoint as well as college accomplishment standpoint I think Oordt has more upside. He would also be a later round guy.

Cheers,

I havent "finalized" my wish list yet.

Waiting for and getting hyped up over the combine.

I'll be looking for 3rd and 4th round WR prospects with absolutely FANatically BLAZING speed!

If we do nothing else this off-season, we HAVE to find the guy that's going to stretch the field and free up Marshall and Bess.

PS: Mr. Ireland, PLEASE prove me wrong. Prove to us you're not as stupid as we all think you are!!!!

-ValHalla-

Guys this team still has many needs that cant obviously all be filled in one offseason alone. So maybe the best way to evaluate order of importance might be to consider the best that may available over 2 drafts instead of one.

By this I mean evaluating both the 2011 and 2012 drafts now. Take a peek into the future and compare if what we're looking at today may not be as good tomorrow and vice versa. For example if 2012 offers a better overall TE class in 2012 why waste the pick now.
Use this formula and line of thinking on all of our draft pick evaluation.

When we do this the order of urgency will pretty much disclose itself. Best availabilty in overall draft classes over both the 2011 and 2012 drafts will help to add the absolute best players for us over a 2yr span.

Basically I'm saying why draft a guy 2nd rd in 2011 if 2012's draft class at the same position is much much stronger and the same calibre player might be had 3rd or 4th rd. Haste now can make for waste later.

If you're looking to buy a new car you usually explore more than one car lot. Same principle should apply in building a team.

In only one draft youre only limited to what that draft has to offer. You may want to explore what next year's draft possibly offers too, especially when you have multiple needs.

That's the better way to explore orer of priority. For example, a guy rated 2nd rd in this draft may only recieve a 3rd-4th rd rating if he's were in a much stronger draft class at his position.

You may have drafted him 2nd rd but in all actuality you used a 2nd rd pick to draft a 3rd 4th rd'er. That's how you end up with bust people. Overdrafting players that had over lofty draft grades because that draft was very weak at his position.

This is something you always need to be very wary of doing as a gm. It's always better to wait until the next draft class to draft a certain need. If that next draft class will be predominantly stronger at that needed position.

Poor draft strategy is, for example, just because you need a TE drafting one in a very weak TE class. If the following draft class will be predominantly stronger, WAIT!

You have to remember a 2nd rd player in very weak draft class at his position could possibly be a 3rd-4th rd player in a much stronger draft at his position.

GulfDolphin,

I am reading your posts and you very convicted on your beliefs which is great. As Craig said, getting all advisarial makes no sense. Unless you can prove that Ireland is your Uncle and you have some insider info we all don't have.

Can you please post your mock draft so it can be critiqued? At least let me see the wisdom of your draft under the spotlight.

As for RB Mark Ingram apparently your goggles are much more rose colored on that guy then mine. 2 watt (and others) called him a bust and that is a much stronger statement than I am willing to make make on Ingram. I don't think he will be the next Blair Thomas or Gholston as that much of a bust. I did say that there will be 5 other drafted RBs that outperform him and I will stick by that as a prediction.

So Ronnie and Ricky are FAs... does that mean that we have to draft RB in the first round? The draft wind series Dave Hyde has is pretty good and has a RB named Johnny White from UNC. I would take him late rounds over Ingram erasing our first round pick. RB J White is a smash mouth kid, with great desire that looks to have some nice cuts as well. RB John Clay from Wisconsin is another guy that is big and runs with Lou Polite like authority for 1st downs and TDs.

You can rail if ya like about drafting for need but that kind of drafting means you don't wind up with a new batch of the best football players possible. Michael Lambardi has some good articles against drafting for need and how some teams get into trouble doing it.

Case in point, GB drafted QB Aaron Rodgers even though they had Brett Farve. Farve ended up playing with Rodgers. Using your logic they pick another position as they already have Brett Farve.

They did it again when they were drafting and had "other needs" as teams do. They ended up sticking to their board of best football players and drafted WR Jordy Nelson (2nd rd) even though they had Jennings, Driver and others already. Guess who had the big receiving game in the SB?

Fasano is a decent journeyman TE. It's not like we can't get better there. What about two tight end sets? What about someone that is faster, stretching the field for underneath stuff?

If I am not mistaken this regime has drafted the same position multiple times in the same draft already before...WR, CB, LB. Drafting two TEs in the same draft doesn't even seem out of character for Ireland and Co.

No sand in these eyes. If you have a totally different draft to help the Fins patch their shortcomings no problem. When the players get drafted we can watch em all and see if any of us are right.

How bout offering up your mock for starters?

Cheers,

So if thats possible a guy thats a 4th-5th rd'er in a very weak draft at his position could possibly be comparable to a6th-7th rd'er at his position in a much stronger draft.

Seems just because we have needs some dolphans are to trusting on where guys are rated in certain drafts. Ratings just suggest how that guy is compared to to his positional peers in that class.

Some drafts its cream that rises to the top and in others its just meaningless foam.

I know the labor issue is putting the clamps on player movement but there have been zero rumors regarding the Dolphins and potential players. For an owner that says he wants to make a splash this winter his coaching moves and the lack of aggression by the FO is even more frustrating than last season was. Until Ireland and Morono are gone this team will not win. They have zero clue and are way over their respective heads.

Rob-OC,

Absolutely right about drafting need. But there's no problem when the level of true talent matches need. But "strength of draft class" determines that.

As I stated, just because you have need doesnt always mean strength of draft class sufficiently accomdates. Like I also stated, a guy rated 2nd rd'er in a very weak draft class at his position. May only be a true 3rd to 5th rd'er in a much stronger draft class at his position.

So just because you have need dont mean getting suckered into using a 2nd rd pick to draft a guy that would be upto a true 4th rd pick in a much stronger draft at his position.

Sometimes I touch myself when reading this blog.

DB,

While I do hear ya loud and clear that the next years draft class has to be sized up and taken into account. I would stop short of saying we shouldn't take a TE as there seems to be a better crop coming up next year.

The caveat being unless it is weighted with some crazy number of blue chipper's in any one given position.

Jake Locker won't be drafted #1 overall this year though that was the consensus last year that he would be. In fact he is trying to hold onto his 1st round grade and now will throw at the combine to try to erase accuracy doubts. What a difference a year makes. Some of the Jr studs we are watching in college will be more like duds after finishing their senior year.

The game is so violent and things change each year in college (just as in the Pros). Coaches move, schemes change, injuries mount, new players show up on the scene and can get more attention and on and on.

What I say is you have an eye on what's going on in college a year ahead as to what positions seem strong. Then you simply draft the best football players in every round that the Fins brass feels absolutley can play football...period. If the class following is super strong at one position or another you can move a guy up or down slightly but, I say take players comiserate to their round based on their own merits.

As an example, if you have Cameron Wake at OLB and you have a chance to draft Clay Mathews or a Lamarr Woodley vs a more needed RB that turns out to be a journeyman type then you will always win in the long run. Trade bait, have one play opposite the other etc. Many would say you can't draft an OLB if you have Cam Wake.

I believe that if you draft as many pro bowl type players as you can you will have the strong team everyone desires.

Ah yes, so many ways to skin the cat. Draft drama, you gotta love it.

Cheers my friend.

For example in strength of draft class:

If AJ Greene or Julio Jones wasnt available a guy like Titus Young could be a a top 10 overall selection. When having the AJ Greenes and Julio Jones to compare too we know though he is good he is not a true top 10 selection.

That's how the draft works folks. That's how guys get overdrafted. A guy can look all world in the draft when there's nothing better available to be compared too.

Rob-OC,

I was only using TE as an example. But again using TE as an example:

Say if you needed to use a 3rd rd'er this season to get a decent TE. However if 2012 was a blue chip class and a 5th rd TEm maybe better than 2011's 3rd rd TE. Wouldnt have been more prudent to wait?

Still like I was saying, you may wanna use this line of thinking at "all" of your need positions. Also if a guy that has ability totally off the charts for almost any draft class is available. I would be totally for drafting that guy if he falls to you whether he is a need position or not.

Drafting that type of player at the very least gives you great trade bait using the guy he replaced. It still offers an avenue to fill a need position via trade.

DB, @ 3:02

You are correct my friend. You take the proper talent in the proper round. As you stated before, you do have to factor in the next years draft class an ascertain what is the proper round this "X" player should be drafted.

When that round rolls around from that point on player "X" should be in the conversation along with all the other players you have valued at the round and spot.

That is when the cross check of needs should be spliced in. If you have two players of virtually the exact same value and round in your analysis, then take the more needed player.

As Michael Lombardi sums it up, he says many teams start to grade less hard on a need position or be tougher in analysis of another position in order to justify their choice to fill a need.

The theory being if you put them all under the same microscope and just adhere to your draft board you will win more of the guessing battles.

It is ultimately tough as they are human and bias always plays some role. I.E. WR Darius Heyward Bey being drafted so high because Al Davis is a speed monger owner.

I am pretty sure we are on the same page with this thinking. I just believe that you may not be as inclined to draft a TE in a weaker class knowing that more and better help is another year away. I would be saying you have to thoroughly strained through a players college career, bowl games, all star games, combine, pro days etc and then compare it to what you think you may get in a similar round down the road. If you still think the guy deserves to be in that round...you pull the trigger weak class or not.

Cheers,

Guys,

All that I am saying is we still need to be careful not to "overdraft players" based on draft grades if the position is very weak in a draft. There's higher chance that guy can go bust and not only have we still not adequately filled the position. We have blown a high pick, missed out on drafting a better player, and the next season now have to again use a draft pick or trade to address that position.

We have to weigh both need and if that player would have the same draft grade if there's a better draft class just right around the corner(2012). I know it isnt our job to look that far ahead but that's exactly what a great gm would do.

DB,

I am pretty sure if Julio Jones and A.J. Green were not in this draft class that Titus Young is not going top ten in my opinion.

I see what you saying in an overall sense but guy with his body type flat don't go that high. The mantra of bigger is better is too popular in the NFL for that to happen.

It was insane for Ted Ginn to go #9 and he is bigger than Titus Young.

I will say that he would move up some slots to those WR needy teams. I think Titus Young is a late first early second round guy imho.

I do see the line of thinking in the example though bud.

Cheers,

DB @ 3:23 and 3:40,

Very nicely put. Totally agree.

Cheers,

Rob_OC,

I dont place a whole lot of stock in combines. Guys work on particular areas just to have good combine numbers that dont always pan out when playing the game itself.

Im also not big on guys looking great in camp before putting on the pads. When the pads come on it seems that's what separates the boys from the men. Patrick Turners looked all world before the pads came on.

As a gm the best you can hope for is to correctly do your homework and seek to get the absolute best value for each round you picked. Proper homework is hugely important.

Especially even so in weaker draft classes. Weaker draft classes have much greater propensity to moving teams forward or moving them backwards. One bad draft places you 2, not 1yr behind in roster development.

Hey great to chat with you again DB. It was our own blog for a bit here.

It shows how passionate of a fan you are to be on chatting day in and day out and not growing weary of it. Football banter on a Fins blog like this one...sounds straight out of a beer commercial. Haha.

Let's hope the NFL Owners/Players figure it out.

I am gonna shuffle my feet for a while.

Cheers,

Titus Young has heart and a good head on his shoulders but I do not see him being as explosive or as fast as D Jackson. I'm high on the guy but I wouldn't spend even a late 1st rd pick on him with some of the other WR that'd be there still Torrey Smith and Jon Baldwin come to mind immediately

Cecil Shorts III looks more like Jackson the way he runs and he has big play ability with the ball in his hands too. He will probably be gone 3rd rd

Rob-OC,

We know Titus Young isnt top 10 Talent but if he was rated #wr in this draft some gm out there had a dire need he may take that chance.

That's all I mean on how the available talent and need can influence madness. LOL......

Beerphins,

Young is rated 2nd-3rd rd'er. But if he has a great combine I wouldnt be surprised at all if he goes late 1st rd. Bet on it!

My only great concern about about Titus Young is because of his size will he be able to immediately get off the line of scrimmage vs bump and run or press coverag.

Some guys are small still possessing great strength. Some are small and do not. But in the nfl as a small wr you need to be very strong for your size or you'll have pproblems consistently getting off the line.

Listening to Shockey right now on ESPN. He's in Miami and says he takes a physical tomorrow. He just wont states what team that is right now.

But he is in Miami right now. Hate to get ahead of the ball but 1+1=2. He's in Miami and takes a physical tomorrow for a team. Hmmm.....

Follow the Path in drafting players, the way the Patriots and Steelers have followed the Path. One step begets another begets another, always along the Path.

Im not so sure about following the Pats draft blueprint. Bellichik has seem to put a good plan together for great regular seasons but not great post seasons.

They still lack a true running game, lack a great #wr, and thier pass rush is still suspect. Evidence of this has been one and done playoffs the last 2 seasons.

I like the Ravens draft blueprint over the Pats.

Even the Packers suddenly became upper echelon when they suddenly found an effective run game the last couple games of the season. The aerial dynamics are great, but an offense is even better with an "effective" run game to supplement it.

beerphin,

You may be right, Titus Young may not be 1st round material but sometimes guys get taken earlier than most expect or predict.

Enter D. Heyward Bey, Tyson Alualu and a litany of others.

Torrey Smith may be a guy that goes late round 1 and has return abilty. I am not convinced he has the lateral movement I would look for but seems to have pretty good tools as a strech WR.

I am not high on Baldwin as he doesn't have the potential as a dual threat returner as say Jernigan, Young, Randall Cobb or a RB type like Dion Lewis or Noel Devine. BM has a similar body type and we have a big bodied back-up as well.

I have not done the amount of homework on Cecil Shorts that you have I am sure but from what I have seen I would take a pass. Much of his damage was when he was already past the DBs and lead to piling on of stats. That coupled with his level of comp and I would favor the guys above.

It's all so subjectional but, that is why it is fun to take our stabs at the Armchair GM spot.

Cheers bud.

I have a feeling that Dane Sanszenbacher WR Ohio St will find his way onto a roster (not the Fins) and be a very nice complimentary WR.

At 5-11 and 180lbs with average speed he won't get drated high and may not at all. He is just one of those guys that seem predictable, works hard every play, has great awareness, "gets it", finds open areas well and catches the ball.

I think he will be a non workout warrior type that will find a home.

Cheers,

After Ted Ginn, Im not in favor of drafting any wr earlier than 4th rd if you have to combine his return abilities to push his value much higher than it should be. The guy needs to be at least 2nd rd by recieving ability alone.

If it takes both to give a wr a very high draft grade you run great dangers of getting another Ted Ginn. Ginn was eventually traded for a 5th rd'er, which is where his true value should have been placed all along.

the scary thing about the packers is that Ryan Grant is coming back next year he is a great running back, truth to that but excluding green and jones; Playmakers: Jon Baldwin, Terrance Toliver, Deandre Brown, Greg Little, Austin Pettis, Lestar Jean, and Darvin Adams are all guys who would fit the #2 role with size and speed. most are 6'4 6'5 range but run 4.55-4.6 we need a tall receiver opposite Marshall Quickness not speed in the slot is what is important and we have that with Bess I don't see value in drafting a slot receiver 2nd rd or 3rd rd when we already have Hartline and Bess

Rob-OC,

Seems in today's nfl a guy either has to have great speed plus route running or a combination of adequate speed, size and route running abilities to play outside.

Sounds like this Sanszenbacher kid you mentioned may be delegated to slot at best. That's where guys who dont have great size or speed but are good route runners end up. Still they need to have better than average quickness to help them succeed there too.

also return guys can be found via FA or late in draft... I'd rather spend that 5th rd pick on John Clay just to be sure we get him before someone else gets the memo
1st T. Smith
3rd T. Toliver
4th R. Housler
5th J. Clay
6th H. Hynoski
7th A. Linnenkohl
I wouldn't mind them picking up someone like Damien Berry for KR/PR specialist UFA

Beerphin,

Im thinking that if Hankerson runs a 4.5 at the combine he could be a legit fins late 1st rd pick if we traded back to pick up a 2nd rd pick. He did have a knack for getting deep at UM but the qb put to much air under the ball on a lot of those throws equalling picks.

Rob in OC,

I just stepped off the dock. Have only a minute to acknowledge your post...will be back at tides ebb to offer my mock draft. I'm not going to claim it is superior to yours, but I think my mock-draft is at the least, comparable to yours.

By the way, what the hell is up with some of you grown men that always revert to 1st grade sandbox name calling?

Pathetic...

Can I just ask you guys a question? Everyone (at least that I've heard) is saying this is not a great draft (esp. 1st-round). There aren't many legitimate projected 1st-round superstars (and if you go position by position, some don't have any 1st-round projected).

So, at 15, who do you think will be willing to trade up and give up their 2nd-round pick? For whom? Ingram? Pouncey? Sounds like all these guys might be there if we traded back ANYWAY.

I personally don't see any team at 16-32 that would want to move up that bad to lose a 2nd-rounder. I mean, I'd love it, but is any team really that stupid (cause that's what you'd have to be this year)?

So, are some of you guys dreaming (and do you know you're dreaming) or do you seriously see someone trading their 2nd to move up a few spots to get a probable role-player for their team?

Need? Need? When do you need him?, now?, in two years, three years? Best available? Best for what?, punt returner? special Teams? I got it!, pick the best available according to your needs.

NO

Dude that writes this blog looks like a gerbil

Guys, LOVE all your comments and spirited bantering back and forth. What is certain is that WE want our team to be a winner. We want the old Dolphin glory days back. Based on that, my 2 cents worth....grab Shockey, this is home for him since he went to the U of M. A proven superbowl winner. Fasano is underrated and did not look good because Henne was not making all his throws, heck, Henne even managed to make Marshall look bad, as well as Bess and Hartline. If Ingram is available at 15, which I doubt, grab him...if not, trade down and fill OL needs. Comments please.....

Revolution & Rioting in Middle East (Intentionally caused by the New World Order) has sent oil prices soaring. Over $100. a barrel now. Gas moving up also. Think a lot more is going on than most of us NWO slaves realize ;(

New Zealand is unfortunately going through another
HAARPy day ;(

DC @ 5:35

That is precisely the point I've made myself a few times now. Many bloggers seem to think we can simply trade down at will. Not quite, you do need a trading partner. This years 15 is not nearly as in desirable as last years 12 that we had. I'd say it's 50/50 at best we will even have a reasonable shot to trade down...remember as well it has to be a reasonable offer...don't see us trading 15 for a 2nd and a 3rd.

DC,

How ya doing bud? Read your last post. The only thing I would say is that I hope the same thing happens this year that happened in last year's draft. The Chargers wanted Ryan Matthews and they believed he wouldn't be there if they waited to draft at 28. Was it a good move? Don't know yet. I liked Matthews coming into the draft last year but he didn't show much in his rookie season and I have a good friend of mine who's a big Chargers fan who doesn't think Matthews will ever stay healthy.

I think you might see a similar situation this year. I've said before I could see a team like the Saints moving up to grab a guy like Ingram if he's still there at 15. Maybe it's a team like the Falcons. Maybe there's a WR there they want at 15. These teams are close. They're in win NOW mode. I could see them taking a chance to get their guy by giving up a second to get him.

0X80 yeah you can Greenbay will they have good depth and they are the champs! They can afford it... I believe we will trade down or trade out of it to pick up more draft picks to buildup our offense. They did it to the defense last year why not this year for the offense!!! Let's see what happens..


And another thing please let's all pray that JI don't pull a Pat White on us DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN!!!

Jeremy Shockey has a physical scheduled for tomorrow. Supposedly teams have shown interest in him. Wonder if it's our team?

I've changed my mind on Shockey, guys. I'd be prepared to put up with with him for a year or two, to be used in tandem with Fasano. Not sure this guy has much left in the tank or can stay healthy, I just don't see us getting that stud TE in this year's draft. So let's see what he's got and if he can be an impact guy when he plays.

It isn't about affording it. NE has a ton of picks too. More importantly its about value. It's a matter of who at 16 - 32 really will find value in trading up for a 15, its possible, but by no means something we can count on. Ireland did try to trade the #1 overall pick in 2008 and didn't like the offers, they got three for one for the 12 last year...so this year is anybody's guess.

Yeah I understand your point 0X80!! But my opinion is that this years draft isn't that strong. On impact players i might be wrong 100% but I been watch the NFL draft and the players coming out of college and not too many makes my toes tingle! So I will do a JJ and pickup extra picks to see what I'll hit on.


Last year they trade down and pickup a possible bust....now you might be telling your self A BUST ARE YOU STUPID!! I just might be but...Jared Odrick was hurt a lot in college with broken bones in his legs and has a rod in one of them so let's pray this guy can stay healthy because he didn't start off on the right ( FOOT ) Lmao you get it right foot!!

HAHAHAHA OK back to being serious that's why!! The PHINS in the last 7 to 6 years we only hit on one or two players in the first round, I'm not putting Ronnie Brown worthy of the #2 pick overall, Ronnie average player!

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