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Report: Williams, Brown not very elusive

Earlier this week I wrote this column stating the Dolphins intentions of remaining a run-first team and telling you how intriguing that is, considering the Dolphins don't have any proven starting caliber running backs on the roster.

Yes, the club can always re-sign Ricky Williams or Ronnie Brown or both. But I wrote that I wouldn't count on either being back.

This despite the fact coach Tony Sparano made very clear during his meeting with the media that he had no problems with the way Brown and Williams played last year. He actually said they played well.

Of course, I've reminded you time and again not to get too caught up in what the Dolphins say as much as what they do. If Williams and Brown played so well, how come the club opted not to re-sign either one before the labor agreement fell off the cliff into an abyss of pending legal challenges?

Well, the able folks at ProFootballFocus.com have crunched the numbers and they'll be happy to tell you why neither Williams nor Brown were priorities -- their numbers confirm what your eyes should have been telling you:

Neither Williams nor Brown were very good at gaining yardage on their own last season. Neither was good at breaking tackles or running away from tackles.

ProFootballFocus refers to this as its elusive rating. It measures a back's ability and performance independent of the blocking in front of him. This rating is a great equalizer in that it removes the advantages running backs that play behind great offensive lines have over those who do not.

PFF further states their elusive rating filters out coaching and playcalling, as well as the other 10 guys on the offense.

So where did Brown and Williams rate in 2010?

Bottom 20 of 58 rated backs.

Brown rated No. 48 of 58 with an elusive rating of 20.8. Keep in mind Ladell Betts had the worst elusive rating, according to PFF.com, with a 3.1. LeGarrette Blount led PFF's elusive ratings at 89.8.

Brown, the website said, gained 58.6 percent of his yards after contact or 2.2 yards per carry. That's bottom-third ordinary. Blount gained over 73 percent of his yards after contact and Oakland's Darren McFadden averaged 3.5 yards after contact.

For perspective, understand that Adrian Peterson gained 877 of his 1,298 after contact last season. Brown gained a total of 734 yards.

Ricky Williams fared better. But not much.

He ranked 40th of 58 backs, with an elusive rating of 26.7. He was in the same company with backs such as Willis McGahee and Michael Bush.

Williams averaged 2.5 yards per carry after contact, according to PFF. He had 404 yards after contact for the season -- meaning 60 percent of his yards came after contact.

The stats would suggest that if the Dolphins want to bring back the more effective back from last year, it would be Williams. The problem is no one can predict if Williams, who turns 34 in May, will simply fall of the table with wear because of his age or continue to provide semi-acceptable play.

The elusive rating article doesn't mention Brown or Williams except for one instance but it is interesting.

One more thing: DeAngelo Williams, the back many Dolphins fans are eyeing because he's scheduled to be an unrestricted free agent is not on the 2010 report because he was injured much of the season. Williams had an elusive rating of 42.61 in 2009, which was 15th best in the NFL.

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THE LAST 3 PAGES OF THIS BLOG SPEAKS OF KNOWLEDGE ,SMART AND FANS WHO SPEAKS THEIR MIND AND OPEN THEIR HEARTS TO EACH OTHER ,NO DYING BREED TRASH ,NO FIGHTE BUT REAL GOOD READ .

Get the fck outtta here aloco, verything was fine until you show up!

THE FIRST TIME I LIKE TO READ LONG , LONG POSTS BY ROB IN DC .

FAKE DD ....DB IN ACTION .

Darryl,

screw you .

Aloco this is the real me. I see you are up to your games, therefore I will no longer be addressing you on this blog.

Back to football, I think our first priority is making sure the offensive line is solid before we worry about skill position players(QB aside) I wish that FA would magically appear before the draft. It would make projecting the draft much easier

darryl,

you donkey .

Aloco do you remember me????

armando ?

DD,

If your there and that is really you then I 2nd. your motion about the OL.

Aloco the name is Dfan....Maybe this will help you out. This is what you are:

D is for dumbfck
F is fck up
A is for ahole
N is for numbnuts

DD,

If we go the route of Ingram which is a big probability the I hope we have sense enough to go after A.Bradshaw in FA, for some reason everytime I post it people don`t seem to get that high about the idea.

I hear you fin4life.

Another problem is that I don't think there is a quarterback that may become available that is more than a game manager. Who is a quarterback out there that could put this team on his shoulders and get the best out of our personel?

DD,

Do you really think our OL is that bad? Long's a stud, Carey still has a year or two in him. Incognito will be solid at guard or centre and Jerry is only going to get better. Garner is coming back and they will likely add someone through the draft or FA. I really don't think the line is as bas as some people say. I also think another year of playing together will help.

Are you in the camp, that 'any running back will do'?

fin, shut up man.

Fin4life good to hear from you. I am checking out, I had enough of Aloco and his games. Talk to you on Monday

fin4life....No that wasn't me. I'm not sure whats happening here. My last post was to 0x80 Thanking him for checking out the Tawain Jones video. This is getting old, and if it continues I will try and find a different venue, or forum to discuss the Dolphins. Go back to page 11 and there is a big difference between my posts and the imposters.

Aloco..I have no beef with you, or anybody for that matter. Someone has been posing as DD for 2 days. I have been away at dinner for a few hours.

fin4life,

Bradshaw is fine but I don't think he's a star. I think you are over-rating him. Not saying he is all bad but he did have some fumbling problems last year and Coughlin benched him for it. I'm not convinced he's not going to end up back in New York.

ALOco,
you ruin this blog with your illiterate and ignorant ramblings. Please learn to spell!

Darryl, the one who is playing games is aloco, none other than the cuban menace himself. You see the menace is a social parasite and uses this format to torment posters such as yourself. He posts as menace during the day, and as aloco when he is "gone". Notice that he always says "menace has arrived" or "menace is leaving" it is to fool you that he is gone.

Dying breed,
Wamart just called, they need you to go back to work the toilets have backed up!

Walmart, Mommy is tired come rub her corns!!!

Why else was the menace banned from posting over at the Sun Sentinel????

His games are not tolerated over there. You never see him posting there anymore. No aloco or cuban menace postings over at the SS.

j.hancock=dyingbreed=njp phin fan=sicko

Craig M,

Long is a stud at LT but Incognito is the slowest pulling G. in the game, I swear watching him last year at times it almost looked like he was moving in slow motion and everybody else was in real time. The LG position needs an upgrade. After that when you move to Center you can`t say much about Berger`s play either, here is a guy who`s strength was supposed to be in the passing game but I can remember a handful of times the pocket collapsed at the point from within and he had alot of trouble calling out signals at the line.

Jerry was a disappointment but I still have hope and Carey was serviceable until matched against speed rushers, think C.Pace who owned him in game 2 in N.Y. last year. We need to address it by drafting somebody to either man LG or RT while moving Incognito to Center to take advantage of his brute strength at the point. Pouncey would do at LG, Carimi at RT, Carey would have to beat out Garner, Jerry or Carimi at either RG or RT if not then we need to cut him and his 4.5 loose. IMO

mrio lobazz, I was just merely pointing out some things to DD. Dont put me in with those characters that you mentioned. Thanks for stopping by!!

@ THE IMPOSTER,

This has gone beyond the rediculous, I`m out enjoy your blogg numb nut !! I guess I`ll come back tomorow and see were everybody is gonna take our Fins rap, this blogg is officially cashed !! hope you pay attention Mando ! it looks like alot of us are out !

Hey all,

Yeah the O-line issue. This is a subject I have posted about for some time an yet many on here believe the line is good.

I dont see it.

Fin I agree with your assessment. However, I understand that Carey will not be getting moved to G. I too would have liked seeing that.

I am of the opinion that all success starts with the O-line. The greatest skill position players can become ineffectual behind a bad o-line.

And that goes double for the QB.

I have been pushing the idea of drafting O-line early for the last couple of months.

IMO Incognito needs to move to C and the Dolphins need to draft a stud G. Carey is on the downside of his career and the Dolphins need to find his long term replacement.

Aloco, now your talkin sweet cheaks come on over to my trailer and we can watch deliverance, green teeth gleeming from ear to ear cuttie.

Craig M @ 9:10,

Easy there Skipper!!! When you are not busy patting yourself on the back for being a guy that drafts or would draft exactly like the Packers and Steelers you are dropping lies about how I EVER wanted scrubs like Jamarcus Russell and DHB on my draft wants list?? LIES for Days!!! Find me a SINGLE freakin post I said our Fins should get JaMarcus Russell or DHB... look hard as you won't find one. Don't make up crap or at least recant your foolhardy statement.

One Raiders guy I did bang the table for is WR Jacoby Ford and he seems to be starting off GREAT! I'm not lying look it up in archives...many of my mocks had him as a late round get. I remember SPECIFICALLY saying, since we traded Ginn we will need a speedster and he will be a nice replacement.

Then your whole third paragraph is like I called out Emmitt Smith and Marcus Allen as lame-o's? You better get your peepers checked man, as I have only been blogging here since last year? You clearly must be confused as comparing Emmitt's measurables to Ingrams makes as much sense as putting Mallet in the HoF because he and Marino both have drug issue rumors pre-draft.

Did you think I peed in your Wheaties along the way or something?

I get it man, you are a died in the wool Ingram homer and we will see exactly how that works out next year and thereafter. You also do the annoying thing most all the Ingram homers do and place all the "I am not saying he's gonna be a Hall of Famer like Emmitt Smith" caveats on your posts. If you are so sold on your own version of pocket Hercules and all his tried hard intangible glory why don't you claim he CAN make the HoF exactly like Emmitt Smith? Don't you think that he loves the game as much? That's really all it takes...vision, reading blocks and loving the game.

He will most certainly "Run Angry" and trample lowly NFL LBs to get 1st downs at will. His Go Go Gadget rocket boost pack that lasts 10 yards will surely get it done, right?

If you are so great at putting together your own armchair GM team we will have a contest right before the draft and I will print it out and track it.

We will pick 2-3 guys at like 10 positions (I will put out a list of positions early) and we will see who is adept at choosing talent. So study up..or you probably already know who you will pick. Then I will pull the choices out after a season and we can see who faired better at the grand guessing game. I am sure some other will participate as well.

Are you up to the task?

Cheers,

PS As with Brandon Graham and MANY other drafted players he was injured, tore an ACL. Tough break and it happens...ask Odrick. He started 6 games and had 3 sacks 2 FF and 12 tackes. Not lighting the world on fire but not too bad on a projected 16 games started season 30-34 tackles, 7-8 sacks and 5 FF. ILB Rolando McClain was your guy starting 15 games and he had 1 INT and .5 sacks with 59 solo tackles and 26 assists. Ok numbers but never sniffed rookie of the year votes. Let's see how things roll in 2011.

I see Aloco had crashed and burned this blog to the ground....but Rob in OC has built a strong foundation with his last post....

Here's what I think is frustrating to most FIN fans...,its not just that Ricky and Ronnie sucked last year....its HOW they sucked that bothered me the most.....

They seemed to suck at the stat that matters most to NFL fans....EFFORT...

Its hard for a fan to forgive effort...but effort is most times over apperciated by fans...

Effort isn't clearly defined....but we know it when we see it...and we HATE it when we don't....

Ronnie and Ricky's lack of broken tackles clearly show a LACK of effort....yes the line was bad....yes the playing was questionable...and yes the QB gave no relief....but still....there wasn't much effort put forth by our 2 backs.....

Did Ricky and Ronnie quit on this team last year?

I think its a fair question....

Dan Hennings horrible play calling had to be a grind on 2 veteran backs who have each had multiple OC in their carreer's.....

The constant rotating of the backs had to be frustrating for even the most gracious of RBs....When one back would seemeing get HOT...the other would be inserted next seriers regardless of situation....regardless of feel for the game....

while both backs carreer's may be slightly extended due to less carries....neither back can clearly assert himself as the dominate male...The ALPHA BACK.....neither could go into a game knowing the pressure was on them.....shared responsibilty for non-production makes it easier to share the blame....

Who knows better than a RB how important cohesion of the OL unit is.....getting a feel for how the Guards and Tackles block.....knowing from the proghress of the game id Incognito or Carey are consitently beating their man.....knowing that the 3rd stingers we picked up before the start of the season was putting their health and by definition their carreers on jepeardy....

Is it possible that Ronnie and Ricky tanked it...maulied it in?

maybe...

mailed

This "after contact" stat. is the most stupidest stat. in the history of stats. What if Browns after contact yds were at the line of scrimmage? Mano, make no mistake, its ALL in the OL. Im not saying Brown or Ricky should be resigned, but damn man, common sense has to apply to something and not "after contact" stats.

CHAD HENNE AND JACK LONG STARTING A DOLPHINS WORK OUT TDAY AT DAVIE,FL ..............

TODAY

Rob in OC,

Glad you got post from last night. Just responding to that now. First of all, your reading comprehension needs a bit of work. If you've followed ANY of my posts, you'll know that my preference is to trade back and draft Williams or LeShoure in the second round and likely draft an offensive lineman later in the first (assuming of course we're able to get a first). I'm not a 'died in the wool Ingram guy' as you try to suggest. So don't try and twist things. But my point all along is that if we're unable to trade back, then Ingram, filling a big need on our team, wouldn't be a bad pick. Guys would ACTUALLY criticize Ireland for addressing own of our biggest weaknesses at 15? Amazing!

Secondly, I NEVER said you said those things about Emmit and Marcus Allen. What I DID say was that if you're taking Ingram to task for not having the 'measurables', as you like to call them, then you likely would have done the same things for Allen and Smith. The point I'm making with you is that you don't need to have the measurables to be a great pro, as both of these Hall of Famers have shown.

Lastly, I would NEVER say a guy coming out of College is a 'sure-fire' Hall of Famer. That would be idiotic and would simply set yourself up to fail. If you or anybody else made those claims I would laugh at you. There's too much that goes into being a Hall of Famer, including good health and sometimes even the opportunity to play for a winning team.

Rob, I'll take your challenge. I may not know these guys as well as you because I don't know the College game as well as you likely do. But I'm pretty sure if I did my homework over the next few years, my team would beat yours. So it's not ABOUT drafting 'homerun hitters', it's about getting guys that get the job done. If the Dolphins had done a better job of drafting guys like Ingram ovr the last ten years we'd be in much better shape today. Instead, all we have to show for it are misses on Jamar Fletcher, Ted Ginn, John Avery, Jason Allen, Pat White, Patrick Turner, 2 traded firsts for Williams, and two traded seconds for Marshall. Not a great track record!

Hey Rob, Just curious, have you been pouring jet fuel on your cereal the last couple of days? You seem to be a tad more volatile than your usual self lately.

Here is one thing I don't understand about a comment you've now made repeatedly, why is it a contradiction for one to say they like a player at a particular spot while also saying (giving the caveat) they may not be the next Marino or Walter Payton or Emmitt or whoever? Don't get it. There is maybe one or two of those types of players per draft, what are you supposed to do, skip your pick because you don't see a HOF'r there? If you are not going to forfeit your pick, then you have to pick someone. If you have a need and a player fills that need while not certain to be a future HOF'r (how can you ever know anyway?), do you just not fill the need? How many HOF's on average per SB winner? I don't see any reason you need to believe someone will be a HOF'r to pick them, because you'd be extremely lucky to get one per draft anyway.

The other thing is, we all can see you are anti-Ingram, and good for you, stating your opinion, your reasons why, its all good. One thing you do do though is either misinterpret the Ingram fans or perhaps may simply not have read all their blogs over the weeks and not be fully aware of their true opinion. For example, you write about "you died (dyed) in the wool Ingram homers" is not remotely accurate. That statement I find way out of context from what I've read of some of the pro-Ingram fans (including myself). Many of us have a different player we would love to see drop down (for me its J.Jones), or they are hoping to trade back. Most of the Ingram fans are merely saying at 15, of the players most likely to still be there, he would be the best value for our team in their humble opinion.

I won't have much more time to volley the debates during the day today, but I'll catch up later.

Craig M...thanks for the 'moral support' yesterday. Also, I did like your comment about drafting 'football players' over 'measurables'. Well done. Gholston rose high on the draft due to measurables - after 3 years, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles, 0 fumble recovery's. Made Kipers all time bust list.

0x80,

Great post at 9:39am. I think you've summarized things very well. I have the same frustrations, not just with Rob but others too. It's like if they don't like our position on something they will twist it. 'If you can't say your guy is a future Hall of Famer, then you can't really be sold on him'. Total BS!!

I think guys guys look for REASONS not to pick guys because it's not what they want and will do whatever they can to try and discredit that guy. I saw a lot of it last year from Rob and others, when it was suggested we pick a guy like McClain (Remember Rob, just as you want to give Brandon Graham a break from his rookie season, you also need to give McClain a break from a so-so rookie season). I said originally that I thought McClain would make a good pro and I still think he'll end up having a better career than Graham. Consider that our first player matchup!

0x80,

Cheers!!....I think we'd better find another blog is this Ingram pick blows up!!....We'll never hear the end of it....LOL.

Gotta go too guys...have a good one!

#1 Mando, if you're out there, need some intervention here. If not, I'll email you. Impostor(s) are creating havoc. Please do something.

#2 Kris, I have suspected for a while...think I even commented on it...RB and Ricky didn't exactlly quit on the team last yr. but certainly weren't giving 100%. We all know what Ricky thought about the coaching, not much of a stretch to see how that would affect play on the field. RB? He says all the right things in public but he's tight with Ricky and I suspect he feels the same way.

Yes, we all know we need new blood in the backfield and QBs & RBs go downhill quick but not that quick.

Just my 2 cents.

THE INGRAM QUESTION MUST BE LOOKED AS A DANGER ONE ,HE HAS A KNEE INJURY A YEAR AND HALF AGO .TO DRAFT HIM AT 15 IS TO GET US ANOTHER PLAYER WHO HAS INJURY HISTORY AND SET US FOR ONE MORE ODRICK DRAFT PICK ALIKE .

Wow! Seems ALo-con-us and his many personalities has finally gone off the deep end and has had a total complete meltdown. Needs to see his psyche and have the meds re-upped and I mean quickly!

YOU WISH ,DB ...LOL

DB IS LIKE THE KILLER WHO KILLED HIS VICTIM THEN HE WALKS IN HIS FUNRAL AS HE DIDN'E DO A THING ......

I keep hearing great things about Ryan Mallettt's throwing workouts. Also heard him decribed as the hot chick with venereal desease because of his great workouts.

He scares a lot of teams because it isnt quite definitive if they'll bne getting Ryan Mallet the qb having the great workouts outs, or the next coming of Ryan Leaf.

SEEMS ALO-CON-US HAS FINALLY BEEN EXPOSED FOR THE JERK HE REALLY IS. LOL....................

LOOKS LIKE "SLUM SENTINENTAL" WILL BE GETTING A NEW FUTURE MEMBER. THE GRAVEYARD OF FORMER POSTERS WHO COULDNT CUT IT ON THE HERALD'S BLOG.

THE "SLUM SENTINENTAL" IS THE EMERGENCY WARD THOSE THOSE SUFFERING FROM "HERALD MELTDOWN". tHANKS FOR STOPPING BY ALO-CON-US, AS YOUR FRIEND NJ FLIM-FLAM WOULD SAY! LOL.............

IT'S VERY ALARMING TO READ ABOUT MARK INGRAM IF YOU GOOGLE (( MARK INGRAM'S INJURY ))....... I RECOMEND ALL TO GOOGLE IT AND READ ABOUT HIS KNEE INJURY .

DB,

THIS IS MY LAST RESPOND TO YOU , I TOLD YOU 2 DAYS AGO,I DON'T WANT PLAY YOUR GAME..FIND SOME ONE ELSE ..... KEEP ENDING YOUR WONDERFUL POSTS W/LOL.........LOL... NOW YOU CAN SAY WHAT EVER ABOUT ME AND NOT GETTING A WORD FROM ME .

SINCE ALO-CON-US SAYS HE'LL NO LONGER BE RESPONDING TO MEE. I GOT A STRANGE FEELING I'LL NOW BE GETTING PLENTY OF GARBAGE RESPONSES FROM HIS MANY "SICK" ALIASES! LOL............

I got feeling as the draft nears closer the steam for the services of Mike Pouncey may gain greater headway. Im not going to be shockingly surprised if a team may be willing to give up it's 2nd rd pick to move up to our #15 spot to grab him.

Remember, Im not saying that it will happen. Just saying I would not be shockingly surprised if it did. But I would love it if we traded back and Pouncey were still available.

I keep having visions of Long and Pouncey being the next combo of Upshaw and Shell dancing in my head! LOL.............

If we start out 0-2, 1-3, or 2-5, would anyone be opposed to bringing in Jeff Fisher?

pouncey...........????

is a funny name .

Hmmm........................

Wonder if $0.02 = ALO-CON-US. Never heard of you until recent. Usually a great sign of ALO-CON-US! LOL................

DB please!
My spelling and grammar are too good.
I also don't play the hate game.
What do you think of Jeff fisher?

DB I also don't sniff glue like our Lil' Buddy.

this is the week of pouncey ...next week we will find another funny name .

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