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Report: Williams, Brown not very elusive

Earlier this week I wrote this column stating the Dolphins intentions of remaining a run-first team and telling you how intriguing that is, considering the Dolphins don't have any proven starting caliber running backs on the roster.

Yes, the club can always re-sign Ricky Williams or Ronnie Brown or both. But I wrote that I wouldn't count on either being back.

This despite the fact coach Tony Sparano made very clear during his meeting with the media that he had no problems with the way Brown and Williams played last year. He actually said they played well.

Of course, I've reminded you time and again not to get too caught up in what the Dolphins say as much as what they do. If Williams and Brown played so well, how come the club opted not to re-sign either one before the labor agreement fell off the cliff into an abyss of pending legal challenges?

Well, the able folks at ProFootballFocus.com have crunched the numbers and they'll be happy to tell you why neither Williams nor Brown were priorities -- their numbers confirm what your eyes should have been telling you:

Neither Williams nor Brown were very good at gaining yardage on their own last season. Neither was good at breaking tackles or running away from tackles.

ProFootballFocus refers to this as its elusive rating. It measures a back's ability and performance independent of the blocking in front of him. This rating is a great equalizer in that it removes the advantages running backs that play behind great offensive lines have over those who do not.

PFF further states their elusive rating filters out coaching and playcalling, as well as the other 10 guys on the offense.

So where did Brown and Williams rate in 2010?

Bottom 20 of 58 rated backs.

Brown rated No. 48 of 58 with an elusive rating of 20.8. Keep in mind Ladell Betts had the worst elusive rating, according to PFF.com, with a 3.1. LeGarrette Blount led PFF's elusive ratings at 89.8.

Brown, the website said, gained 58.6 percent of his yards after contact or 2.2 yards per carry. That's bottom-third ordinary. Blount gained over 73 percent of his yards after contact and Oakland's Darren McFadden averaged 3.5 yards after contact.

For perspective, understand that Adrian Peterson gained 877 of his 1,298 after contact last season. Brown gained a total of 734 yards.

Ricky Williams fared better. But not much.

He ranked 40th of 58 backs, with an elusive rating of 26.7. He was in the same company with backs such as Willis McGahee and Michael Bush.

Williams averaged 2.5 yards per carry after contact, according to PFF. He had 404 yards after contact for the season -- meaning 60 percent of his yards came after contact.

The stats would suggest that if the Dolphins want to bring back the more effective back from last year, it would be Williams. The problem is no one can predict if Williams, who turns 34 in May, will simply fall of the table with wear because of his age or continue to provide semi-acceptable play.

The elusive rating article doesn't mention Brown or Williams except for one instance but it is interesting.

One more thing: DeAngelo Williams, the back many Dolphins fans are eyeing because he's scheduled to be an unrestricted free agent is not on the 2010 report because he was injured much of the season. Williams had an elusive rating of 42.61 in 2009, which was 15th best in the NFL.

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But the good news is they'll get a new head coach,a new GM and a high draft pick, Thats something we can hang onto....

I SEA THAT THE CO FUONDER OF THE GANG OF DEFEAT HAS ARRIVED,CUBAN,DID YOU RECEVE YOUR UNEMPLOYMENT CHECKE TODAY?

Hey Kris, You sure got your head screwed on backwards, hence:

"2nd....why would I stand behind one statement and not another....does that make any sense to you....it woudn't to a reasonable person....."

So I am taking liberty to point out your RUDE and sarcastic posts. And speak of telling it like it is, only you can try and explain it two ways - of which neither made a lick of sense.

.............

Yeah....all of you SHUT UP and QUESTION NOTHING....
Alll you do is pay your HARD EARNED money and ROOT for this team with your heat and soul....even to the point that you come on a MIAMI DOLPHINS FOOTBALL BLOG to post YOUR THOUGHTS....
you know the WHOLE REASON THE HERALD CREATED THIS SITE....
But yeah...like ADB said....SHUT UP AND BE A GOOD FAN!!!!! "experts"...pshhh
Posted by: Kris | March 22, 2011 at 05:42 PM

*This is where you prove you're more ignorant than many.

Like i have writen before....
When EVERYBODY thinks alike.....Then NOBODY is thinking
Posted by: Kris | March 22, 2011 at 06:38 PM

*If that statement wasn't dumb enough, read your own follow-up

When EVERYBODY is thinking the same thing.....Then NOBODY is thinking....

or something like that
Posted by: Kris | March 22, 2011 at 06:40 PM

You're just an over pompous windbag, with alot of aliases. Furthermore, my wife is dead and buried. Yep, that was her you were porking last night you sick rodent...

NEXT THING YUO KNOW,CUBAN WILL BE ASKING THAT THE CHINAMAN COHWER BE HEAD COACH AND OPRAH TO BE GM,EVERYONE GETS A NEW CARR.YEAHHHHH

Still a Ronnie fan. I think the elusiveness rating should include who was the tackler. It might be some measure but not one that levels the field among RBs. Due to our lines inability to make holes, Ronnie's initial contact was strong contact by a D lineman or inside linebacker. No hole, no where to go, lineman or linebacker heavier than you fill whatever hole you were hoping to have. Whereas with a line that creates a hole, the first contact might be an arm rather than a shoulder. The tackle might be a pursuing linebacker rather than a charging linebacker so more yards after contact are gained. With some second level blocking a safety might be doing the tackling which would improve yards after contact. I'm not sold on this elusiveness rating leveling the field due to different levels of OL play. Ronnie and Ricky both are not accurately measured with this, particularly Ronnie.

gulfdolphin....right when i thought you coudn't discredt yourself any futher you go put your head down dig deeper....BRAVO.....

You take my post...and post them out of context....ANYONE AND EVERYONE....with RADING COMPREHENSION skills knew that post was a sarcastic response to someone who had typed something similiar.....I GUESS NOW WE KNOW IT WAS YOU....posting under another name....

Why don't you post what was DIRECTLY ABOVE THAT POST....but you woudn't do that....then you woudn't be able to make it look slanted....lol....your funny.....you will make a great reporter.....

PS....

making the effort to go back days to re-post my stuff is.....kinda....CREEPY....CONGRATS....you have OFFICIALLY reached INTERNET STALKER status....

RADING = READING....i need WRITING COMPREHENSION...

GULFDOLPHIN,KRIS, YOU TOO SOUND LIKE OLD MARRIED COUPLE,HOW LONG YUO BEN MARRIED?,SINCE 1944?

CUBAN LONG TIME NO HEAR.

DID YOU BEAT UP ANY MINORITIES THIS WEEK.

gulfdolpin...you have entertained me all morning....but now its getting tedious and boring....I am sure the other FIN FANS would love to read something else.....

I won't be typing back......but feel free to go back and read many of my other post....re-post them if you like....that should keep you busy for a while

1st Jimmy Smith DB
3rd Jordan Cameron TE
4th Ricky Elmore DE/OLB
5th Austin Pettis WR
6th Mike Mohamed ILB
6th Tyrod Taylor QB
7th Dion Lewis RB/ Noel Devine RB
Mario Fannin ,Nic Grigsby, Graig Cooper, John Clay & Damien Berry should all be looked at as well in the 7th rd/ UFA

LOL At Just.Incred, No bro, I dont roll like that, BTW, Havent heard anything from the plumber from Jersey since you put the beat down on him....Thank you for the community service...LOL

Just. Incred., One day soon the fins will be again "AFC EAST CHAMPS"........

i think bill bellichek or rex ryan would love to have ronnie or ricky as a feature back. the pats and jets have experienced olines that can run block. both teams play to win and could use our backs intelligently. sparano will be looking for a back up field goal kicker while ireland scouts someone with a broken leg. we are in danger of the bills jumping ahead of us.

Agree with you Greg, I think either ronnie or Ricky will be in a Pats uniform next year, I think both would love to have a super-bowl ring, And the fins are light years away from that, Also I think they would love to stick it to the fins...

But not as a feature back though.....

I think some of you are missing the point of Mondos post here.
This survey shows YAC yards after first contact. Which means they weren't getting anything on there own. He is saying we need a running back that can make things happen by then selves.
The bottom of the blog says deangelo Williams was top 20 the year he wasn't hurt.

CUBAN:

THAT WAS FUNNY AS H-E-2 HOCKEY STICKS

I GUESS HE'S IN SOME MMA FIGHT SOMEWHERE.

MAYBE ON BULLY BEATDOWN.

I'M STILL WAITING TO CALL MYSELF

AFC EAST CHAMPIONS AGAIN.

KRIS AND GULFDOLPHIN IS BRINGING BACK SOME GOOD MEMORIES.

Not only do Ronnie and Ricky not break tackles, they don't make anyone miss. I don't mind a RB not breaking tackles if he can run away from people. But neither of these guys has the speed to run away from people.

kris, when you thought winter was gone for good, it rears it's ugly head. Can you believe snow in the forecast this weekend?

I'm so sick of this damned weather, seriously.

Tony Sparano says Ricky and Ronnie played well then I would say Tony Sparano needs to be fired for not knowing football.

SIDE THOUGHT:

I LOVE THAT SUN DROP COMMERCIAL WITH THE WOMAN DANCING.

DROP IT LIKE IT'S HOT.

J.I, A great Snoop Dog song..........

One more thing, to the folks that say we need a strong run game to win (part of a convo I had with Craig M yesterday).

Anyone remember the '09 season? The one where Miami was the 4th-rated run offense? How'd we do again that season? OH YEAH!!! 7-9 (just like last season).

Goes to show you we need a "balanced" attack. Sure, we need to run better than last year, but ultimately we need to score more points, which means our focus should shift to demanding more out of the pass game (especially the long ball). We need to pass to run (I mentioned that yesterday too).

FLPD:

WHAT'S GOOD LOONG TIME NO READ.

Three answers: Sign Darren Sproles for speed then either sign Deangelo Williams or draft Leshoure from Illinois.

Problem solved.

dc ,are you using the word ugly ? you must be aloca according to kris .

I SEE WE HAVE SOME OF THE OGs ON HERE.

CUBAN
FLPD
ALOCO EVEN THOUGH HE STOLE MY CAPS LOCK.

I'M GLAD YOU ARE ALL UP HERE AND HOPE EVERYTHINGS WELL.

Kris, You were the one here that @9:01, brought up and rehashed the nearly week old postings.

I merely went back to the era, and found your posts, thus qouted.

Talk about a nut case, it is you.

Trust me, I do not under an alias, as I WANT you to know it is me that is posting.

Williams usually being smart about what he says, seemed to forget all he learned when he ran his mouth after last season. It surprised me he did a rant on the staff and for that very reason he will be gone.

But wait a minute.

Channing Crowder an inconsistent and only a mediocre inside LB ran his mouth even more with the long gone Joey Porter after the previous season and he is still starting.

I say dump both of them.

Lastly Kris,

You wanted to know if you could WEASEL OUT FROM the, hard-on and audulterous scenerios you thought so clever?

You dug yourself in a hole with that one. You grave diggin' rat.

Get out the popcorn, and rat-bait...

He-he

John Valdez, how was what Ricky said a 'rant on the staff'? Here merely said TS drives some points home a little too often, maybe more than necessary JT agreed. Was a simple comment, not some huge negative rant. Please explain. Don't let Armandos ultra biased negativity towards Ricky sway reason.

They never retained him anyway, he was no longer a Miami Dolphin at the time, and probably didn't even want to play for such a dumb coach any longer. I could easily see Rickey or Ronnie with the Pats or Jets next year, and in the playoffs.

Hey Justin, what's up bro? Yeah, I have not been posting as much lately. Still read Armando's stuff every day. He's still on his game and better than the other guys. But the posters on here sometimes are a little too stupid for my taste.

I like it when they talk football. I don't waste my time with the other stuff they discuss.

I'm glad you're back. I haven't seen you here in a while. you've always been one of the smartest posters when you talk about football.

0x80, Sad but true, I see both of them being a thorne in the side of the fins, both have a little bit left in the tank, Ronnie will look great as a "Wildcat" in either offense of the pats or the jets unforunitly for us...

Michael, nope, not ALoco, just plain 'ole me (that must be something b/w you and kris, who seems to have lots of enemies here today).

0x80, I feel the same way about Ricky's statement. To me it was good insight into why the team sucked so bad last year. It COULDN'T have just been the players, so anyone who feels that way obviously wasn't watching. Sparano was one of the worst coaches in the league in 2010 (kept his job by the skin of his teeth), Henning, well, that's enough said about him (we see where he is today), etc. etc. Ricky just tried to explain what he thought went wrong. I don't see the problem (it's kind of refreshing from Sparano, who says Ricky/Ronnie did a GREAT job last year, as did Henne, and the WRs. If everyone did so great, why did the team go 7-9? Can't believe a word Sparano says. Supposedly it's to protect his players, but all he's protecting is his job, since the truth probably would show he was the main culprit to the team's slide into mediocrity).

DC, Welcome to the club.... The club of the "Gang of defeat"or as Lil Aloco would call us..(Or write)"GANG OF DEFEET" Lol At Lil Aloco's misspellings...

kris ,every time he fires at some one ,it pounces back at him. kind of like dying breed the mafia boss .lol

They went 7-9 because they could score td's. Fix it.

GULFDOLPHIN,KRIS, YOU TOO SOUND LIKE OLD MARRIED COUPLE,HOW LONG YUO BEN MARRIED?,SINCE 1944?

Posted by: ALoco | March 25, 2011 at 10:37 AM


ROTFLMAO-Aloco, you so crazy!

I'm not sanctioned by the WWE, so this is just an opinion: First Match-DRAW!

Rematch: Who Knows!!!!

Kris thought they were settling things and Gulf just sucker punched the shyt out is a s s(reposting edited post, classic, but definitely dirty).

Much like the earlier brawl, Kris shook it off and battled back.

All is fair in Love and War!!!!

Round Two: DING!!!!

Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!

I guess all

I won't be typing back......but feel free to go back and read many of my other post....re-post them if you like....that should keep you busy for a while

Posted by: kris | March 25, 2011 at 10:39 AM


GULF! Watch out!

I think he's setting you up for a Hay Maker!!!!

Cuban, ALoco said yesterday I was out of the Gang. I guess it's all in how you read it.

I saw your prediction of 4 wins this year. Ouch! I have us winning 8 games at least (if there is a whole season). I don't want to even think about what would happen if we won 4 games. We might be rooting for the LA Dolphins after that!

I think Signing ronnie is a good idea. He got through the season not hurt, I have a different feeling about him than most. Although this post from Mando looks bad, he was running that wildcat witch you could take 11 of us posters to play D against it and we could have stopped it this year. No holes in the O-line.

I still say a few times this year when Ronnie hit a linebacker one on one, and he dropped the guy on his back then fell another 3-4 yards forward. Granted, to do that there was a hole thatere and that did not happen often.

I would sign Ronnie, I would love to see D.Williams, but I do not thik it will happen.. That being said if it can not be done ger Michael bush to compliment Ronnie and draft the illinois kid, loshour, or however you spell it. that would be ideal for me, not sure if it is possible though.

Hey Justin, what's up bro? Yeah, I have not been posting as much lately. Still read Armando's stuff every day. He's still on his game and better than the other guys. But the posters on here sometimes are a little too stupid for my taste.

Thinking:(he's not talking about me?-OMG-I know he's talking about ME! NO-YES-NO, yes he is-Dooh!)

-SURE! Go ahead! Discriminate against me cause I'm STOOPID!

I like it when they talk football. I don't waste my time with the other stuff they discuss.

Marino Rocks? Shula is the BEST EVER? SpOrano has mastered the fist pump, if he can do the same with the coaching bit-SUPER BOWL BayBee!!!!(FOOTBALL TALK-how I'm doing?-HOW I'm DOING!?!?)

I'm glad you're back. I haven't seen you here in a while. you've always been one of the smartest posters when you talk about football.

-SIGH! I knew I should've stayed in school, nobody ever talks to me this way????

Posted by: FLPD | March 25, 2011 at 11:37 AM

Oh WELL.

Hey! Aloco! How are those Ape City Gorilla's doing, you Brown Donkey you!

Woo Whooooooooo!!!!

So this is the part where the naysayers say, 'yeah Ricky and Ronnie's numbers sucked because of the ineffective line and conservative play-calling'. While part of that might be true, it's clear that neither of these guys can get it done any more. Armando just gave us the numbers, 'after contact'. Basically what he just said is we had two backs last year that were unable to make yards for themselves after being hit. And a lot of you guys don't think this needs to be upgraded? Give your heads a shake!!

DC, I saw you say that our running game was good in 2009 and where did that get us? Don't forget, we had a rookie QB that was thrust into action, who wasn't ready to play. I would think 7-9 under the circumstances wasn't all bad.

If you look at 2010, we didn't have a single 100 yard game from any of our backs last year. That tells me we couldn't trust either one when we needed them the most, when we need to chew up yards and eat up the clock. The one game that really struck me the post that way was the game against Detroit when we were up late and couldn't run the ball, causing Henne to have to throw and not chew up the clock. That needs to be improved guys and I don't feel confident about just having 'any running back' do it for us. We tried that last year and it didn't work. What makes you think that without making this a priority that the offence will be any better and Henne won't be any better. I'm predicting right now, if that's the case, it won't be.

i dont understand you,armando!!

this is a team with so many gaping holes,including qb,running backs,depth at receiver,offensive line--i havent even spoke of issues on defense
nor have i even brought up problems having a head coach ,sparano,who SHOULD be a career asst coach!!

armando,STOP MICROMANAGING a very flawed team--this team is far,far away from being a REAL GOOD TEAM-they can be mediocre but you seem to iomply that a few moves will place them in the upper level--i dont agree--too many holes to fill!!

Gtg guys....I'll check in later....

A thought-provoking article, Mr. Salguero.

I've long maintained that Emmitt Smith was a vastly overrated back, who profited from running behind a devastatingly talented Dallas offensive line. I would compare Smith to Barry Sanders, and note how much more effective Barry was in breaking tackles. Where Emmitt might not face his first tackler until 5 yards downfield, Barry would have to run over or elude two or 3 tacklers to gain the same 5 yards.

Offensive line performance is the biggest factor in a running back's yards per carry. When Ricky Williams averaged an outstanding 4.8 yards per carry in 2002, the Dolphins offensive line regularly opened up big holes for him. Williams was no less talented in 2003, yet his average dropped to an anemic 3.5 yards per carry, due to a very poor job by the offensive line in opening up holes.

Deleting Home's posts is a real sign of hope for this blog site.

Craig, good point on Henne in '09 (though I think he played better that year than last). And I agree, we need to upgrade the RB position (just not Ingram in the 1st-round). Ricky/Ronnie are ok, but both of their best games are behind them. I wouldn't mind retaining Ronnie to play Ricky's role last few years, as like the mentoring veteran, but we need someone who can do more by themselves than both those guys can now.

MENSAH:

I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE.

I THINK THIS SAME TEAM WOULD BE NOT ONLY A PLAYOFF TEAM BUT TRUE SUPERBOWL CONTENDERS WITH A BETTER COACH.

Deleting real news not good. Just like Russia or China. Only difference is those countries tell you upfront all the real news and info will be censored.
USA government white washes and controls all media. Soon you sheeple will learn, but probably only as you and your family are herded up in a train on the way to the FEMA prison camp.

TO JUSTIN CREDIBLE,

you may be right!!
sparano is just such a BAD head coach--i live in new york and the games on television--always seem to show how unprepared his teams are--they look clueless and god forbid sparano should ever improvise during a game unlike all the good coaches--when things arent working -you change--unfortunately, i think sparano lacks that ability
LASTLY,DO YOU REMEMBER HOW SPARANO WAS SMILING THE LAST GAME OF THE YEAR AGAINST NEW ENGLAND-WITHOUT KNOWING THE SCORE,ONE WOULD BE SURPRISED TO FIND THE DOLPHINS BEING BLOWN OUT!!ANYONE GOOD HEAD COACH WOULD BE HODING HIS HEAD DOWN,EMBARASSED-NOT SPARANO-HE JUST SMILED LIKE AN IDIOT!!

Great Article!

If your rb has little elusiveness and can only gain yardage huge hole dependant your run game is in trouble. RB's actually have the power to "fire up" his oline with his ability to be more elusive.

Olineman are usually more eager to block better for rb's who maximize thier efforts. A great rb gets his oline very excited about blocking for him. Olinemen, most likely more often than not, will give average blocking effort when blocking for average rb's.

Guys, if you were an olineman, would you get excited about blocking if you knew you had Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble in your backfield? I wouldnt! LOL..............

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In a nutshell, this is the nucleus of the expertise just recently acquired to control the weather as a weapon of mass destruction. By pouring measured energy that has been focused into certain parts of the ionosphere, scientists can create all kinds of storms like hurricanes, thunderstorms, floods, tornadoes, and drought. In NEWS1198, "U.N. Treaty Proves Weather Control Is Real"

I think we should trade down in the 1st, pick up a 2nd take Ingram if he is still there then Kaepernick ( I think he is this drafts Flacco)
Take a fast wideout, then work on the O line through free agence, remaining pick on D

What the Hell is a FEMA prison camp?

i thought everything that happened in Japan was just Mother Nature?

Im neither 100% for nor against the drafting of Mark Ingram. But I do fully support drafting him if forced to pick at #15.

One of Ingram's greatest reported strengths falls right into continuity of the primary basis of which this article is written on. Ingram is one of the best yards after contact backs in this entire draft.

I hope that helps the Ingram bashers out a little more. LOL..........

odinseye,

Between you, oscar canosa, Alaco, and a couple other posters, I can not think of anyone more entertaining to read when the same-old-same-old, "rehash" is expressed...again and again.

I write almost exclusively about the merits (and de-merites) of this franchise. At some point I strike a nerve, and get thrown off the top-rope.

Then it's ON!

Trust me, I'll get back to Armando's Blog-post for what it is intended. As was my intention all along. I was the second poster here, asking if the same Pro Football focus stats could be used on the RB's in the upcoming draft. And if so, what are the comparisons between LeShoure and Ingram?

I am expecting that hay-maker, but somebody needs to break out a cap or two of smelling salts to bring weasel back to reality...

Mike,

You're a very funny guy. Ingram still around in the 2nd rd? The clock just struck midnight Cinder-Get-Rilla! LOL.................

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