« Dolphins to host Newton,Gabbert this weekend | Main | Dolphins player workouts continue this week »

Report: Williams, Brown not very elusive

Earlier this week I wrote this column stating the Dolphins intentions of remaining a run-first team and telling you how intriguing that is, considering the Dolphins don't have any proven starting caliber running backs on the roster.

Yes, the club can always re-sign Ricky Williams or Ronnie Brown or both. But I wrote that I wouldn't count on either being back.

This despite the fact coach Tony Sparano made very clear during his meeting with the media that he had no problems with the way Brown and Williams played last year. He actually said they played well.

Of course, I've reminded you time and again not to get too caught up in what the Dolphins say as much as what they do. If Williams and Brown played so well, how come the club opted not to re-sign either one before the labor agreement fell off the cliff into an abyss of pending legal challenges?

Well, the able folks at ProFootballFocus.com have crunched the numbers and they'll be happy to tell you why neither Williams nor Brown were priorities -- their numbers confirm what your eyes should have been telling you:

Neither Williams nor Brown were very good at gaining yardage on their own last season. Neither was good at breaking tackles or running away from tackles.

ProFootballFocus refers to this as its elusive rating. It measures a back's ability and performance independent of the blocking in front of him. This rating is a great equalizer in that it removes the advantages running backs that play behind great offensive lines have over those who do not.

PFF further states their elusive rating filters out coaching and playcalling, as well as the other 10 guys on the offense.

So where did Brown and Williams rate in 2010?

Bottom 20 of 58 rated backs.

Brown rated No. 48 of 58 with an elusive rating of 20.8. Keep in mind Ladell Betts had the worst elusive rating, according to PFF.com, with a 3.1. LeGarrette Blount led PFF's elusive ratings at 89.8.

Brown, the website said, gained 58.6 percent of his yards after contact or 2.2 yards per carry. That's bottom-third ordinary. Blount gained over 73 percent of his yards after contact and Oakland's Darren McFadden averaged 3.5 yards after contact.

For perspective, understand that Adrian Peterson gained 877 of his 1,298 after contact last season. Brown gained a total of 734 yards.

Ricky Williams fared better. But not much.

He ranked 40th of 58 backs, with an elusive rating of 26.7. He was in the same company with backs such as Willis McGahee and Michael Bush.

Williams averaged 2.5 yards per carry after contact, according to PFF. He had 404 yards after contact for the season -- meaning 60 percent of his yards came after contact.

The stats would suggest that if the Dolphins want to bring back the more effective back from last year, it would be Williams. The problem is no one can predict if Williams, who turns 34 in May, will simply fall of the table with wear because of his age or continue to provide semi-acceptable play.

The elusive rating article doesn't mention Brown or Williams except for one instance but it is interesting.

One more thing: DeAngelo Williams, the back many Dolphins fans are eyeing because he's scheduled to be an unrestricted free agent is not on the 2010 report because he was injured much of the season. Williams had an elusive rating of 42.61 in 2009, which was 15th best in the NFL.

More like it.

Follow me on twitter.




TrackBack URL for this entry:

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference Report: Williams, Brown not very elusive:


Feed You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the comment feed for this post.


Lou Polite will be re-signed for reasonable bank, Cobbs I thought we should have cut last season, he is the perfect example that it pays to be coaches fav. read my post at 6:07 about the vaunted R&R express. I tell you I don`t get why you don`t think we can replace the two R`s in FA and the draft, while picking up some speed guy late or UFA to challendge Sheets addressing all the R.B. spots you mention. I am beginning to wonder if your just not that dead set on Ingram to the point were nothing else no matter how strong the argument will do.


You missed my correction post afterwards. The Chargers, not Redskins have two 2nds. Thier two seconds are at #50 and #61.

Those are a little far back but I examined a mock that show we would still have chance to grab Ryan Williams and either Titus Young or Jerrel Jerigan.

But my favorite scenario is trading back for 3rd and selecting Pouncey. It would give us a Upshaw and Shell like combo for years to come on the left side with Long and Pouncey. LOL.........


this goes beyond taunting to a wolf in icu due to starvation, i'd love to have a different feeling in my stomach other than hunger!!!

@ Derek4/DB 6:30

It was my take as well.

@ 0x80 6:35,

Do you really have to ask !


I love trading back and getting Pouncey because it solidifies the oline for years to come. We would have a pro bowl calibre left side with Pouncey and Long over there, and I think Incognito could become a beast of a center because his strenght is straight ahead blocking.

Also Jerry shoul get better this season and if he doesnt we still have Garner we can plug in at right guard. Then play it by ear with Carey, if he's deteriorating bring in his successor in 2012's draft.

Dying...We both have spoke of getting an additional 3rd. I think we both agree this is the most likely scenario. There are 2-3 teams that pick within 8 spots of us in the first round that have multiple third round picks. To me this makes the most sense.

For you guys interested in Tawain Jones. He pushed his pro day back from April 1 to April 14. His foot isn't quite right. He is a 3-4 round talent, that may fall into the 5th or 6th round because of his injury. This happened in the National Semi against Villanova.

For you Devlin guys. I guess his pro day was a disaster. He struggled behind center with his accuracy. Showed up late too. He is looking like a player whos stock is falling.

Hilliard and Sheets? u really think a rookie Hilliard and Sheets are going to produce better than Ronnie Brown could? Playcalling last year was horrendous there would be games Ronnie only touched the ball 11 times and then 5 of those carries were out of the obvious run wildcat formation. Ronnie needs to get the ball 20 times a game and he will be pro bowler no doubt in my mind. Why don't you go and ask Belicheck his opinion on whether Ronnie Brown is still elite or not. Not even one season ago he was on his way to having a great pro bowl season. Bad luck with his injuries are really the biggest factors I see that hurt his game. He should be fully healthy now and people don't think he's going to be a big FA name teams are going to cream over? Could you imagine what Ronnie would do with a real O-line

I would not be a bit upset by Miami taking Ingram with the 15th... I believe he will have a fine career in the NFL and I think Miami could make a far worse decision then taking the #1 ranked RB in the draft.
My issue with the pick is far easier to explain... I like Mikel Leshoure better as a pro level back. He has another gear that Ingram doesn't and I think he has field vision that is just plain superb. Thing is... Leshoure at #15 is no value... Not that I feel he does not warrant that high of a pick... He will just be available in the mid to low 20's or even high 2nd round. That places Miami in a great spot for trade down talk. Pick up Leshoure in the High 2nd and perhaps a speedy WR in the 20's... FA and a lower round project make up my QB thinking (Stanzi) unless somehow the heavens open and one of the top guys falls to us...

Resign Ronnie or get DeAngelo Williams to be the #1 guy then draft RBs in the 7th rd and sign some UFA to compete in there as well. ie. Blount/ Foster there are a lot of good RB this year that should be snatched up in the 7th based before they are FA. Mario Fannin/ Nic Grigsby Berry/ Cooper


DeAngelo Williams has finnished 1 out of the last 5 seasons, very risky for a FA that you`ll probably have to give 5 Mil plus.


Dying Breed...

In reference to your statement...

"I love trading back and getting Pouncey because it solidifies the o-line for years to come..."

You will never get an argument from me about drafting better O-line guys... Now or at any other time. Early on I had the impression that Pouncey was riding his brothers coattails... Now, after really taking some time to read about the guy, look at some of his playing time and listen to those evaluators I still respect, I have a different view. Pouncey is a whole different talent... His brother is a center... Pouncey is a guard... BIG DIFFERENCE!!! Incognito at center is his chosen position, its where he wanted to play coming into the NFL... St. Louis changed that out of need... I think Tony "Get's it" and that is why Incognito got his contract...


Kory Sheets was projected as a returner last year, not RB, then he went to IR, we don't even know his status. TS has said he can't block for shi!t. I'm just not as high on these FA backs as you are. Too risky for their price or recent injuries or no better than Ronnie. I find it revealing the FO did not make an offer to Ronnie Cobbs Ricky or Polite. I'd rather bite the bullet now and get some young fresh legs rather than retreads.

I can hand you your same argument, why can't we pick up a guard in FA or later in the draft?

Keep in mind, my debate is solely focused on if we pick at 15, I'm not considering any trade down scenario just because I think its unlikely to happen, not impossible no, just less than 50/50. You are focused on trading down, taking line first and rb later. I'm focused on who will be the BPA at a position of need at 15. That is our difference.

I'd be happy if Julio Jones fell and we took him, and of course we don't even know if Ingram will still be there. We don't know for sure where we are picking or who will be on the board so until that moment comes, this debate will have no solution. We'l have about 10 minutes to duke it out draft night.

This is news? Not elusive ... hah!


Name me one Guard in FA that has the ability of Mike Pouncey and I`m on board. I understand if your not so high on the FA R.B.`s like I am but I don`t think you could call A.Bradshaw a retread by any stretch. I like Micheal Bush as a younger faster version of Brown, you forget it was an injury in College that dropped his stock, then the Raiders up and draft McFadden and turn him into a goal line player.

These are 2 FA players that paired with the right compliment thru the draft can revamp our run game, listen if we were to draft Ingram I`d still sign Bradshaw it would make for an inspired pairing, along with another 5 or 6 scenario`s that would totally work and give us more excitement out of the position.

I don`t see the possability though of finding the missing link in the OL in FA, truth be told since Mankins came off the list it`s ordinary to say the least. You don`t see the potential of pairing Long and Pouncey, it`s R.Webb and K.Simms x 10. I also like you though throw this argument out the window if J,Jones or R.Quinn fall to 15, hell I even read a mock that has D`Quann Bowers falling there


A well stated defense of your opinions and what you are trying to communicate at 7:13.

One of the comments that you made is true in nearly every instance......

"I'd be happy if Julio Jones fell and we took him, and of course we don't even know if Ingram will still be there. We don't know for sure where we are picking or who will be on the board so until that moment comes"

Its true, we have no clue who will and will not be available at #15. I disagree with you about trading down... but only on the percentage of possibility it will happen. If feel there is always a team who has a player they are "Zoomed in on"... and would be willing to trade up to get them. Here is the thing... I'm not so completely unsure Miami is not a team who may try to trade up into a player they want. I can't point at one that I feel they will... but its possible...

To me, based on availability... my #15 short list would include... and in no particular order...

* Mark Ingram
* Mikel Leshoure
* Julio Jones
* Mike Pouncey
* Gabe Carimi
* Newton, Gabbert, Mallet
* Torey Smith

There are a couple of guy who may not be worthy of a #15... but if Miami cannot trade down and wants one of these guys... I'm not jumping off any cliffs should they draft any of them at #15.....

we now have 3 7th rd picks. one of our own, one for the justin smiley trade and one compensatory pick that was just awarded today.

0x80...You make a great point. It is impossible to guess at what sort of deal may or may not be made come draft day. We have to figure that we will pick at 15. That is the only truth in this draft scenario right now. Of course this can change. But trying to guess where, with who, and what players will be on the board is like playing the lottery.

I know there is need for a reciever. But I think taking one in the first round is sort of gluttunous. This is a position that in need of upgrade. But I would argue that taking an offensive lineman is of greater importance. Sure a player like Jones would be a welcome addition. But I think we have bigger holes to fill to make the offense complete.

If you are a take the best player available guy, and a player like Jones happens to be around. It would probably enrage you if we passed. To me his skills do not immedietley translate to a more rounded offensive squad. It is like having the best toys without the ability to charge them because the adapter is the wrong size. IMO, we have to start the rebuild on the inside, and work or way out as far as priority goes. If you disagree, that is fine. If you strongly disagree, I understand. I just think that we would be better off starting in the trenches. Skill players like running back and recievers can wait.

fin4, kind of interesting that we are going at it over two soon to be rookies who both have football pedigree in their families.

I don't see how they can't go either RB or oline with the first pick no matter where it is, assuming a top 10'er doesn't fall. It must appear to you that I think Ingram is the next Eric Dickerson or something, I don't for a split second. What I like about him is that I see him as being someone that can anchor the RB situation for years, while you find speedsters to compliment him. The only other RB I think can be that type of player in this draft is maybe Ryan Williams and he won't last until the 3rd. For whatever reason I'm just not sold on Leshoure. I'd love Hunter as the second back, I'm not convinced this regime would take him as a primary back. By the way I agree with you on Bradshaw but not Bush.

So you see....we are trying to kill 7 birds with 6 stones, one bird has got to fly. I like the idea sure of Pouncey next to Long, I just don't buy into this 'any old late round RB' will do, and I can't think of another time in this entire teams history they were in such desperate need for a couple of RB's.

i like your list and i would have to agree with your assessment of the situation. if we are stuck with the #15 and we take one of those guys on your list we're going to improve no matter what. some of them may be a little bit of a reach at that spot but we need to start somewhere. maybe you should stick a qb on there also like mallet or kaep.

with (3) 7th rd picks johnny white is now a lock!

And another thing, which was loosely implied but not stated....remember, trading down does not guarantee you the player you are targeting. There is still risk with that. If Pouncey is your guy and we don't pick until 27, he could be gone, then you need to be sure you have a couple of other backup choices in mind that will ensure the trade down is still worthwhile.

one last thing, though, and that is if we are stuck at 15 and aldon smith falls that far he is ours. even though offense is the big need i just know in my heart that ireland won't be able to resist smith.


I agree with you on everything except in passing on an elite talent if it fell in your lap at 15. In Jones you`ve got a kid who ran a 4.3/40 on a broken foot ! He caught everything thrown at him in College over his head, behind him, underneath him it didn`t matter and I really like the fearlessness over the middle I see on tape. At the end of the day we all have to way drafting a bonna fide star against need.

That said you can call me crazy but I think there is a better than 50% shot that Jones goes 6th to Cleveland and A.J.`s the one who takes a little draft day tumble but not very far though, I actually think both of these guys could be of the board in the 1st. ten picks. It all really hinges on the Q.B.`s the farther they fall, if they fall will dictate the 1st. 15 picks of this draft.


I think you're wrong in saying Kaepernick sin't on the list of invites to work out for the Dolphins. I am sure as it gets closer Armando will talk about it further. To me this is the guy who could be the sleeper as far as QBs go. Great raw talent and you won't have to spend a first round pick to get him.

fin4life...Yeah, Jones was just an example. I cannot see him falling to 15. Stranger things have happened. There aren't a whole lot of elite offensive skill players in round 1. So I expect them to go early. Ingram is one that can be bunched in that group but I'm not sure his skills translate into elite at the NFL level, and believe he would be a mistake if taken at 15.

The whole process is much more difficult because of the inability to sign free agents before the draft. If the judge makes a ruling in favor of the players April 6th. buisness may return to normal, and free agency could resume. This would make projecting the draft a little easier.

0x80 @7:58

I can agree with your sentiments 90%, halleluya, doing back flips, while whipping tears ! LOL ! but I like Micheal Bush as a sleeper who will make alot of teams wish they`d paid more attention, maybe my thing with him is I liked him coming out of College. I also agree that if we want Pouncey it`s in some sort of trade with S.D. or somebody looking to move up on one of the D.E.`s before N.E. picks, no way he falls to a pick 27, if Ireland makes that kind of trade then neither of us will be extremely pleased with the out come regardless as everybody we both like will already be gone.


The Judges ruling can make it alot easier and I hope it goes the players way not just for FA and Football but for a solution, the owners won there appeal on the TV Money, now the players need to force things back to an equal balance by getting this ruling and hanging the possability of a real uncapped season over the ownwers heads.

Anybody know if Garner played long enough at LG to know if he can pull? Sparano bounced him around a lot....love that player flexibilty!

@ cocoajoe,

He played there on the Thursday night game against Car. in 09, Smiley was hurt and Ricky ran wild all over Carolina`s D


No Franchise Tags?...
The Players union is DISPUTING that the franchise tag will be available.
So lets see, the owners won in court last week, they DO get the Television revenue, even if they lock-out that's a total loss for the players,
The players get to keep insurance coverage...COBRA policies
and now Franchise Tags,
Lets face it the owners WILL lock out, and the players WILL cave in pretty quickly...I always thought the owners COULD NOT afford to lock out, but if they get the Television revenue....they will do it, it will bend the players to accept whatever the owners throw to them. 50% of the players cannot afford the lockout, so its only a matter of time, small market teams like Buffalo and Green Bay wouldn't be able to withstand a lockout, but if ESPN is still writing checks, they will somehow make due...
Posted by Reallionnaire at 1:23 PM 0 comments Email This BlogThis! Share to Twitter Share to Facebook Share to Google

You know what disregard my post at 8:49, got it in an e-mail from a friend and I don`t think he read it through either, reads old or something.


I would have no issue with Miami taking a defensive player in a 1st round situation... do long as he is not a DT/NT or CB... But I think I am in the minority by a damn site in my feelings. I believe a few could stomach a top tier OLB... but that is about it...


It will be awesome to have both Garner and Procter back this year. To answer your specific question about Garner pulling, I did not see enough play at LG to tell you what he is capable of there. I can say with relative assurance that Procter has more then enough to pull and he had all but locked down the LG spot before his injury... Sparano has brain damage on O-line issues and I believe he learned a hard lesson for a young Head Coach.. He will not play musical chairs with a O-line again... Not if he values his job and the rest of his career. Only in cases of catastrophic injury to multiple players should an O-line be tinkered with so much. I'm sure we've seen the last of that act...

Thanks fin and Derek. Kinda what I thought meaning he hasn't been at one position long enough to know.

Maybe Sparano has learned a lesson or two. Problem is, he hasn't learned quick enough to save his job if it goes bad this season.

Craig M,

You are right regarding Kaepernick having a visit scheduled with Miami. This is just one of many reports I have seen online....

Nevada held their pro day earlier this week and the Kansas City Chiefs were one of six teams that were reportedly not in attendance. Of all the Nevada prospects, QB Colin Kaepernick is the most interesting and the Chiefs may not be in the market for a late first or second round quarterback, which is where Kaepernick is projected to go. (There's actually a wide range of projections on him -- all the way to the third round, too.)

But that doesn't mean the Chiefs aren't keeping tabs on Kaepernick. He was on Sirius NFL Radio on Thursday and said he had a good workout with the San Francisco 49ers and has other workouts scheduled with the Miami Dolphins, Cleveland Browns, Tennessee Titans, Indianapolis Colts.....and the Kansas City Chiefs.


I don`t think it will go worse than last season I feel that some are overly exagerating that but will it get better ? can it in a strike shortened season ? How will Ross weigh a prolonged hold out against Sparano or will he call it a day and let them play it out until 2012 under those cicumstances even if we go under 500%, those are the questions everybody should be asking themselves, IMO.

this isnt news. think we all know brown and ricky suck now

I think that as the game has changed, so has the RB position. As of now, both halfbacks and fullbacks have to be good passcatchers and blockers in the backfield more than runners. Ronnie has great hands but is not a great blocker. Ricky can't catch but does a good job blocking. Don't expect we draft a RB that will run wild all over the field. That's not the way the Game is played today.

I can hand you your same argument, why can't we pick up a guard in FA or later in the draft?

Posted by: 0x80 | March 25, 2011 at 07:13 PM

Why? Lets see.....

Outside of Jake Long the highest we have drafted olinemen was 3rd last year(Jerry), Murphy 4th rd(cut), and Donald Thomas 5th rd(cut).

We're still hoping to see a much improved Jerry(3rd rd) this season. but that isnt guaranteed. But wait a minute, I know, lets keep right on drafting and cutting those late round olinemen. Oh yeah, didnt the late rd pick Gardner get cut too? LOL...............

Demarco Murray. RB. Oklahoma. Game Changer!

It is what it is, and we are all just guessing

Thank goodness the draft is nearing and finally amatuer draft hour will be done and over with for nearly a whole entire year. PHEEEEEEEEEEEEWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fin4life...Good post @8:49. Had to run for dinner and a movie.

I had argued earlier this month that there could be a very real possibility that franchise tag would mean nothing if an agreement was not negotiated. That these contracts if not signed by the lockout that there were no contracts. Since the collective bargining ended on March 4th or whatever day the NFL calender ended.

Since it looks like the courts will decide the fate now. My argument holds less water. I am hoping that the judge rules in favor of the players just for the good of the fans. I tend to side with the players anyway, but anything that rules in favor of games being played. I'm all for.

Back to my original statement. I had said that in the new collective bargining deal. There were no guarantees that the franchise tag would remain. That the players could bargain to eliminate this. Not real likely, and not the biggest of differences between the sides. But a possibility none the less.

I had no idea that the television revenue was back in play. I thought that it had already been ruled in favor of the players that the revenue would not be divided if there were no games to televise. The insurance issue is a big deal. I thought that the players lost all of their benifits the day buisness ended.

If the judge rules in favor of the owners. The players are really up a creek with no paddle. What happens next is the scary thing. The owners would be prepared to withstand a season with no games. Even the lesser market teams I believe would recieve some relief from other owners just to keep solidarity in the ranks. Your post, and the information disputed my belief. So really, who knows what would happen. It is an uneccesary mess. I understand it is a buisness. The owners are looking out for their best interests. But as a fan, and everyday guy. The numbers they seem so far apart on are so astronomical, that it is insulting they cannot find common ground.

Sheezz Conners,

Do you ever say anything positive? Forget it, not a question to digest. I can answer that one for you...

You ride shotgun on the Gang of Defeat. You never fall off that wagon train, perched on the buck-board armed with a mouth full of pacifiers and a diaper full squirt.

I am not advocating for R&R re-signing, (but so be it). However, they are not crutch-addled RB's you post of. True, they are not young and are past their primes, but they do not suck.

They are as Armando points out, not elusive.

And if the FO signs either or both - and a rookie drafted at #15 - you better believe we will be annointed at that position, for what it is worth...





Don't forget Carey was a first round pick a few years ago. I don't know about Incognito or Berger but I don't believe either was a first round pick. But you're right, we seem to like those mid to late round OL and then cut them after a season or two.

UTdolfan, I like Kaepernick. I think he has great raw skills and could be something in a few years. I've seen him anywhere from late first to seventh round. Amazingly different opinions on this guy. He probably goes second or third round and I'd be fine with grabbing him then.


IS A "' P H A R M A C I S T '"



Am I the only one that can smell the gang-bang of defeat outside city limits?

Ps, I have a mock draft that is worth its weight in silver...

Scared to post it. Other GM's might jump upon it. And rodents here will surely rat-trap the suggestion-



Post the informatiom you are witholding!

Do NOT be afraid. Once you have given us the information, you will NOT be harmed in any way!

I promise!

Do it NOW!!!!

DO IT!!!!


Why won't you just give us the information?

Have we broken your fingers?

Can you not type?

We can do this the EASY way Marooned, or we can do this the hard way.

You just post that information NOW Marooned!

Now I SAY!!!!

Post...POST...P O S T !!!!!!!

Post...POST...P O S T !!!!!!!

D R A F T !!!!!!!!

Stop talking to "Wilson"

D R A F T !!!


I'm gonna get drunk and I sure do dread it
Cuz I know just what I'm gonna do
I'll spend my money callin' everybody honey
And wind up singin' the blues

I'll spend my whole paycheck on some old wreck
And brother I can name you a few
Yes I'm gonna get drunk and I sure do dread it
Cuz I know just what I'm gonna do

Yeah, go ahead. Pretend like you ain't never been there!

PS: It's closing time Lord, forgive me, for I know NOT what I do!

Get rid of both of them. They are both useless and have not helped the Phins win any titles. A waste of 3 first round picks in my opinion.

bottom line: sparano might make a good assistant coach somewhere. ireland probably needs to work his way up to the front office. the parcells curse will prolong our suffering.

i'm in favor of trading our 1st pick for kevin kolb who would be preferred over mallet. then draft mcelroy of bama in the 4-5th rounds as a back-up. we could maybe get a 5th for henne. i'd keep ronnie as a rb but work on getting a solid oline. carey and jerry were big disappointments!

« 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ... 12 13 »

The comments to this entry are closed.