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Report: Williams, Brown not very elusive

Earlier this week I wrote this column stating the Dolphins intentions of remaining a run-first team and telling you how intriguing that is, considering the Dolphins don't have any proven starting caliber running backs on the roster.

Yes, the club can always re-sign Ricky Williams or Ronnie Brown or both. But I wrote that I wouldn't count on either being back.

This despite the fact coach Tony Sparano made very clear during his meeting with the media that he had no problems with the way Brown and Williams played last year. He actually said they played well.

Of course, I've reminded you time and again not to get too caught up in what the Dolphins say as much as what they do. If Williams and Brown played so well, how come the club opted not to re-sign either one before the labor agreement fell off the cliff into an abyss of pending legal challenges?

Well, the able folks at ProFootballFocus.com have crunched the numbers and they'll be happy to tell you why neither Williams nor Brown were priorities -- their numbers confirm what your eyes should have been telling you:

Neither Williams nor Brown were very good at gaining yardage on their own last season. Neither was good at breaking tackles or running away from tackles.

ProFootballFocus refers to this as its elusive rating. It measures a back's ability and performance independent of the blocking in front of him. This rating is a great equalizer in that it removes the advantages running backs that play behind great offensive lines have over those who do not.

PFF further states their elusive rating filters out coaching and playcalling, as well as the other 10 guys on the offense.

So where did Brown and Williams rate in 2010?

Bottom 20 of 58 rated backs.

Brown rated No. 48 of 58 with an elusive rating of 20.8. Keep in mind Ladell Betts had the worst elusive rating, according to PFF.com, with a 3.1. LeGarrette Blount led PFF's elusive ratings at 89.8.

Brown, the website said, gained 58.6 percent of his yards after contact or 2.2 yards per carry. That's bottom-third ordinary. Blount gained over 73 percent of his yards after contact and Oakland's Darren McFadden averaged 3.5 yards after contact.

For perspective, understand that Adrian Peterson gained 877 of his 1,298 after contact last season. Brown gained a total of 734 yards.

Ricky Williams fared better. But not much.

He ranked 40th of 58 backs, with an elusive rating of 26.7. He was in the same company with backs such as Willis McGahee and Michael Bush.

Williams averaged 2.5 yards per carry after contact, according to PFF. He had 404 yards after contact for the season -- meaning 60 percent of his yards came after contact.

The stats would suggest that if the Dolphins want to bring back the more effective back from last year, it would be Williams. The problem is no one can predict if Williams, who turns 34 in May, will simply fall of the table with wear because of his age or continue to provide semi-acceptable play.

The elusive rating article doesn't mention Brown or Williams except for one instance but it is interesting.

One more thing: DeAngelo Williams, the back many Dolphins fans are eyeing because he's scheduled to be an unrestricted free agent is not on the 2010 report because he was injured much of the season. Williams had an elusive rating of 42.61 in 2009, which was 15th best in the NFL.

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DB, in the interest of respecting the Henne fans, I won't ask you what his name sounds like to you.

@ DB

I will give you Bo Scaife no doubt over Fasano but don`t forget everybody was questioning the Britt pick, he didn`t exactly start to come on till the end of 09 and was maddeningly inconsitent last year great to averege one week to the next, Gage is a nice possession Rec. but I like Bess better and the other guy you mention was such a force, the whole group really that they claimed Moss of waivers to give them a beter deep threat.

VY didn`t really get his shot to play with CJ till this season and VY given the added dimension came flying out of the gates, remember after going to Dallas last season in a must win for the Cowboys VY ran them out of there own building sitting at 3-1 if memory serves. He got hurt that day though and when healthy Fisher went back to the revolving door at Q.B., Fisher is as much to blame as anyone for that teams collapse last season.

0x80,

I just coulndt help it! LOL.............

The name Chad Henne strikes me as a chicken farmer@! LOL................

fin4life,

Like I said, after reviewing VY's carer stats Im now a little mixed with him. The craziest thing is there are just as many pros as cons concerning him.

If we did get him I wouldnt be upset, but I would keep the old fingers crossed. Hoping that the good will far outweigh the bad. LOL..........

@ 0x80 1:45

Avery fair assesment, while not an endorsement for Kolb either, which I like as well, LOL !!

0x80,

It could be very exciting watching chicken farmer Chad fumble his way thru flipping an omelette! LOL...................

WOW! Chicken Farmer Chad seems to have aa certain magical ring to it! LOL.............

db
ox8o
fin4life


ARE THROWING SOFT BALLS TO EACH OTHER,THE GANG OF DEFEAT ARE HARD AT WORK SINC THEY PUSHED EVERY ONE OUT ...WORK ,LATER .

Just gotta love our lil buddy ALoco! LOL..........

I have yet to meet anyone as skilled at total mastery in using the english to say so much. Yet ever says anything at all!

You go you geniuos ALo-con-us! LOL.............

Aloco @2:01

What do you meen ? what`s your deal lately, it seems youv`e been on a mission to hurle insults at people all week, if your reffering to me as a member of your gang of defeat, I gotta tell you it`s insignificant to me, since the one throwing the labels around seems to be the one with the defeated attitude, in any event all the best to you bro !

I LIKES TO PIK ME BUTT AND SNIFF YUMMEE ALSO WHEN I DU DIS I LIKES TO COOK MY FOOD BUTT SNIFF IS GOOD INGREDENT

aloco in blue is me .

FAKE ALOCO @ 2:11

WHILE YOU ARE ALL UNEPLOYED AND SITING ON THE COUCH COLLECTING YOURE WELFARE CHECKS I AM WORKING AND PAYING FOR YOU ESPECALLY THE GANG OF DEFEAT MEMBERS. YOU ARER LYING ABOURT EVEN HAVING JOBS BECAUSE YOU ARE ALLWAYS HERE

DID YOU SEE EVEN WHEN I TOLD MY GORMET RECIPES FOR FRENCH FRYS AND POTATOE CHIPS THE (((MEXICO saTYLE))) AND THE (((CHINA STYLE))) THAT THE GANG OD DEFEAT MEMBERS SAID BAD THINGS? THEY ARE JELOS AND JOBLESS COLLECTING THERE WELFARE CHECKS AND LAZY ON THERE BUTTS WACHING THERE TV

I GO TO WORK NOW. NOT LIKE THE GANG OF DEFEAT THAT HASNT WORKED IN YEARS. LATER

Not that I feel I owe some kid in a blogg who can`t even seem to write something coherently an explenation but here goes. I work for a Frieght Fowarding Company, meaning I run the papper work for alot of incoming and outgoing cargo around the world, I do this on a Computer were I keep a page open to this sight in order to ammuse myself.

Iv`e always found your little tongue and cheeck act funny and ammusing but I gotta tell you I haven`t bothered posting anything your way this week because I`ve found you to be rude to say the least, you always talk in jest about paying people`s Welfare Checks while always claiming you work in a restaurant but I wonder cause sometimes you say you go to work and are back within the hour ? Are you sure it isn`t my tax $ paying your checks ? Me and my family have no need for welfare thank you very much and God willing never will, I gotta tell you pal it takes alot to get me un-nerved but you you deffinetly got me there.

As NJ PHIN FAN would say thanks for stopping by !

P.S. I happen to know him and can tell you all 270 pds of muscle on the guy would absolutly rip your head clean of your shoulders.

i thought they got mcquistan from the piggl wiggly.

piggly wiggly

yeah, i seem to remember seeing it in the TRANSACTIONS - miami dolphins- acquire pat mcquistain from piggly wiggly for a stocking associate to be named later.

Can I leave my used tampons here?

IF Available 4th rd Here's Why We Should Draft Stanzi:

Ricky Stanzi, 6-4/221


Quarterback


Iowa

Ricky Stanzi Scouting Report
By Greg Cox


Strengths:
Outstanding leader, team captain
Experienced starter
Operated under center in pro system
Intelligent, mature and confident
Hard worker who strives to succeed
Size coveted at NFL level
Mobility outside of the pocket
Accurate passer on the run
Comfortable going through progressions
Been in big games and clutch situations
Good arm strength for NFL throws

Here's Why Stanzi Wont Be A Year One Starter:

Weaknesses:
Footwork issues in pocket
Forces throws into spots he should not
Loses accuracy beyond short routes
Inconsistent decision making
Lost more close games than won
Questionable pocket presence

Summary: Ricky Stanzi entered the national spotlight in 2009 when Iowa started 9-0. In the final game of that opening run against Indiana, he threw interceptions on all four of the team's third quarter possessions, but shook it off to direct four touchdown drives in the fourth quarter. He was injured during a loss the next week against Northwestern that started a stretch where Iowa went 8-6. He did finish his career in style by recording a win over Blaine Gabbert's Missouri team in the Insight Bowl. The team drafting him knows what they are getting, which is probably a safe backup with the potential to start down the road.

There's the Stanzi report. As you all can see Im not afraid to post both pros and cons of guys I like. Some here will only post cons(if thier not too lazy to research) just to support an argument.

All in all, I believe stanzi presently has enough positive tools to work with. That if a decent qb coach got a hold of him, he could easily far exceed projected expectations.

I believ he's already a much stronger pure leader than Chad Henne though I highly doubt Stanzi could start his 1st nfl season.

If he overcomes even half his projected weaknesses this kid could become special. Not bad for a mere 4th rd investment.

Good job db. If stanzis around fourth round. Why not? I have a much bigger problem with one hit wonders orton or Fitzpatrick (neither team made playoffs) then using up draft picks.


If he overcomes even half his projected weaknesses this kid could become special. Not bad for a mere 4th rd investment.

Posted by: DyingBreed

Wow,

That could probably be said about most qb's drafted.

While some QB's from this draft may very well turn out to be winners, just reading the weaknesses on all of them scares me off. The one weakness listed up there that bothers me most is 'Loses accuracy beyond short routes'. I'd be inclined to think you'd have that by now or not.

I remember the last time I bought a digital camera, I did my due diligence, found some great sites with great technical reviews, read up on everything and came to the conclusion there was no camera worth buying! They all had so many negatives! Eventually I just used my best judgement and picked one. Thats what you have to do with a QB I guess.

There is virtually zero chance that ANY rookie QB will start for ANYONE this year.

There very likely won't be OTA's and even training camp itself stands a good shot of not happening.

Rookies at all positions will have little impact this season. At quarterback, they will be invisible.

Some of you seem to be thinking of things as they were. The reality, however, is that there ISN'T any football right now...and may not be for a very long time.

A rookie QB this year will be drafted and then not be allowed to have any contact whatsoever with the team that drafted them.

No workouts, no practices, no meetings with coaches, nothing.

They may not even be able to negotiate a contract due to a rookie pay scale being one of the issues on the table.

What does this all add up to? A rookie QB will contribute absolutely nothing to the 2011 season. None will come off the bench for anyone except in an emergency or blowout situation. It will be the 2012 season at earliest before you'll know if ANY of these guys have a shot at being NFL stars. You won't be seeing them this year.

jake,

I wonder how much our FO takes those thoughts into account? If so, does it push them more in the direction of Ingram at 15, possible playmaker where they don't need the same time as qb's to develop? Or do they see this as a "freebie" year, fortify the trenches(again) and go after a playmaker next year, if they are still here?

pricemaster at 10.02, gone but not forgotten, interesting theory

and i'd add to the era theory - era's + trends are just that, all it takes is for a team to be successful using an old or new strategy and u have the next trend or at least prove it can be done - ts could show why run first (but able to pass vertically when required) with strong d is not dead

IF WE ACTUALLY HAVE A RUNNING GAME!!!

but failing with run first is more horrible/less exciting to watch than failing with pass first

we've got ts and his nature so i'm gonna dream as long as we win i don't care how we do it

to add to the previous, "o maybe henne isn't so bad stats"

remember the red zone failures


Henne's TD percentage per pass in the redzone is equal to Drew Brees's, + his 89 redzone QB rating is also about equal to Brees's. The difference is the ball was taken out of his hands so that we could either run or settle for FGs. Based on his numbers, he could've had 20+ TDs if given more redzone opps (ok that's a big stretch~), especially if he attempted as many passes as Bradford, who had more TDs than Chad b/c he had more opportunities despite converting less TDs per attempt and with a lower QB rating than Chad.

and finally , thank you for 2008 chad pennington, but now please exit the scene (or fo kindly but firmly show him the door) henne has had enough mentoring from cp (maybe not even all beneficial mentoring) but if henne starts then he needs to be the leader he needs to be the man from the start of informal training right through to when they get it on again, chad pennington was still the man in the teams eyes not henne last season (hennes fault as well), only way they look at henne with completely no glances at cp - no cp in the room/on the field

thanks cp but bye bye


Based on his numbers, he could've had 20+ TDs if given more redzone opps (ok that's a big stretch~)

Posted by: the wolf, icu

wolf,

It's ok, we understand you're starving, and need to strech out any morsels you can find.

Wow,

That could probably be said about most qb's drafted.

Posted by: UTdolfan | March 26, 2011 at 03:47 PM

UT, exactly my point bud! If this can be said about most qb's drafted then a 4th rd investment is a mere steal! LOL.................

Man, the red zone is the most difficult of all for the QB's to master. A gifted few, P. Manning, Griese, maybe A. Rodgers got it. If you are going to wait for Henne to master it, I recommend a nice, comfortable chair.

You guys are good here at the herald. The Sun Sentinel Mob is always putting you folks down.
NJ PHIN FAN WAS SUSPENDED FOR OVER A WEEL NOW. How do they tolerate this imbecile. Please cuban give NJ some advice.

oscar

cup half full or empty?

i meant he's not as bad as portrayed in the red zone!

i'll happily wait till september to see him try again but not any longer (goodell)

As a matter of fact, the Red Zone can only be mastered by QB's that call their own plays.


jake,

I wonder how much our FO takes those thoughts into account? If so, does it push them more in the direction of Ingram at 15, possible playmaker where they don't need the same time as qb's to develop? Or do they see this as a "freebie" year, fortify the trenches(again) and go after a playmaker next year, if they are still here?

Posted by: UTdolfan | March 26, 2011 at 04:33 PM

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I'm sure they do, just as any other team in the QB market is aware that any 2011 impact from any of these guys is becoming more of a remote possibility due to the labor situation.

Can't really draft that way, however, if you have a conviction on a player. Not sure how Ireland and Co. grade the QB's (nor do they owe anyone that info). I'm sure they'll make every attempt at trading down, which I'm fine with at the right price.

Good point DB,

But for some reason qb's taken later, no matter what their strengths, either seem less likely to overcome their weaknesses at the next level, or their strenghts aren't strong enough to carry them at that level.

Hell, guys taken in the 1st usually have a tough enough time. It's been talked about endlessly on here, I know.

DB,

I will add this. Earlier you posted the drawbacks of continually drafting O-linemen in the 3rd to later rounds and thinking they will succeed. Think the odds are better at qb? Or just this year?

UT,

Stanzi strikes me as guy since he no longer has to divide his time by going to class. Will spend the time very wisely working on his game.

Remember, listed amongst his greatest strengths are leadership and work ethic. So in the nfl he should greatly benefit from increased time to work on his game, pro level qb coaches, and his listed weaknesses dont seem to be things too difficult to coach him out of.

I believe getting a guy who has the strengths of Stanzi is well worth the 4th rd gamble to work on and bring those weaknesses up to par. I just have a feeling this guy, in 3-4yrs, could possibly be amongst the greatest steals in nfl history.

Gigi says:
March 25, 2011 at 10:51 pm
Hi guys hope all is well!!! For those of you looking for NJ he has been banned from the site by Chris T. Evidently he got into a heated discussion with Jeffrow. This is so typical of NJ. Miss you guys!!! Hi MF 13, Tim, Bat (Dark Prince!!!), Mike E, Walker, Pig (Go Heat!!!!) and the rest…..Ciao for now…..!!

THIS IS A POST FROM THE SENTINEL.
NJ IS ONE TRUE SAD DUDE

UT,

I feel if we drafted Stanzi 4th rd and he never developed into anything but a really good backup qb. That's still good value for a backup qb.

But, Stanzi does have some strengths that could tranlate into hitting the jackpot 3-4yrs down the road. Of the top qb's in this draft I see none worth the gamble of trading up. Or even if we had a 2nd rd pick, none who show thier definitively any better than Stanzi.

Of the top qb's of this draft, it seems one of the most iffy's at the position in recent qb draft history. You may get gold but there's an equal chance of total dirt too. Very scary!

UT,

Overall, usually after 2nd rd you hit total drought as far starting qb is concerned. Of course extremely intermittently one falls thru the cracks that was drafted after 2nd rd and becomes a starter.

Even 1st and 2nd rd qb's can become tainted because it has a very weak upper class. The top qb's this year would clearly be no higher than 2nd rd in that Marino class. Hell, we might be talking bottom 2nd rd at best! LOL.........

I pretty much guarantee if any of this year's 2011 draft qb's are pressed into service thier first season. They may become ruined for the rest of thier careers. It would be a severe blow to thier confidence levels. And may send them spiralling towards bust.

I dont see what the scouts see in Ponder to grade him 2nd rd. But I watched him on numerous upon numerouse time at FSU games and he nevr came accross as very impressive.

Ponder strikes me as the qb of this draft thats most likely to become a career backup. Whomever takes him 2nd rd will regret it! LOL.....

Dying, I agree. Not the year to go all in at QB. Parcells on down created this mess and we're not going to get out of it at the drop of a hat. Get Kaep if he drops or Stanzi if he don't.

Jones or Green would be better value in 1st round if we can't trade out. I doubt both will be gone by 15.

But who am I kidding? It'll be somebody we never heard of with a broken leg.

cocoajoe,

Thats what scares me most about this fo. They seek to "outsmart" everyone and in the end only outsmart themselves. That will be our greatest obstacle to overcome as an organization. Our EGO-maniac front office! LOL............

WELL I HAVE A BRAKE FROM WORK AND I SEE ALL TH JOBLESS GANG OF DEFEAT ARE STILL NOT WORKING WHILE I PAY FOR YOURE WELFARE CHECKS

ALoco, you do know it's Saturday, right?

Yeah Dying, my biggest hope for this draft is they don't do something really stupid to put the next GM and HC in a worse hole.

maybe you should thank all of us for voting in politicians that let foreigners have jobs.

IT IS SATURDAY NOT DO NOT WORK DAY

cocoajoe,

Ireland seems to come across as nothing other than a sly little weasel. Tony Sparano seemed to find out the hard way, as weasel Ireland pseudo-successfully threw him underneath the bus this offseason.

Im totally sure Sparano's view of weasel Ireland has changed despite the kissy faces both will have to wear this season when featured together. LOL.............

ALoco,

What the little lying ALo-con-us you are today. At least twice today you posted you were off to work leaving us "welfare" recipients. Now you post you dont work today.

You really are ALo-con-us! LOL...............

ALo-con-us,

This is how I will now begin addressing you. ALO.....CON....US! LOL............

Dying, you're 100% correct. Ireland threw Sparano under the bus bigtime. And I think it's a pretty good guess Ireland has been kissing some major (Ross) ass.

My guess is Ireland had a lot more to do with drafts than most people think but blamed the whole mess on Parcells.

avispa,
the entire sentinel site is sad.

We just have no way to know what the dynamics were, but it seems more likely to me that Parcells threw Sparano under the bus, Ross would have relied more on Parcells opinion than Irelands. Ross is the boss and Ireland was most likely doing what has asked of him. I agree Ireland should have had the good sense not to travel with Ross to interview HC's, but...Ross writes the checks. The #1 biggest coward doosh in that deal was Ross. He should have fired Sparano first before making a nationwide search. Next time he will.

I agree with all about the Sentinel it`s a hack rag starting with Omar Kelly, I believe all the references on here thru the afternoon are about a blogger from another sight who I mention in my post (NJ) I did so because the person I was directing my rant at likes to bust his chops wothout provocation, when I`m not here I post at http://www.finsnation.com/ it`s a sight for the very hard core fans with zero restrictions on what you can post, making it a great place to go drop a bomb when you want to rant, especially during the season.

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