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Mark Ingram? Is he No. 15 overall special?

Why Mark Ingram? What is the facination with this young man?

I get that he is the 2009 Heisman Trophy winner. I get that he is is an upstanding man. I get that he played for a great program at Alabama and in perhaps the most competitive league (SEC). But what is it about him that makes all the so-called draft gurus say he's going to be the Dolphins' choice in the first round of the April 28 draft?

Personally, I believe the Dolphins will select from the school of great need. They will select trade down.

Have I said it often enough? This team needs more picks more than ever with a likely coming rookie wage scale making draftees more valuable and cheaper than ever at a time the Dolphins lack a second round pick. So trading down in the first round and getting back a late second-rounder -- as Miami did last year -- or perhaps and early third-rounder, is a huge necessity.

Failing that, however, would the Dolphins use their pick on the 5-10 and 215-pound Ingram?

There's multiple ways of looking at this. From a historical and philosophical perspective is one way and that one suggests Miami should not go with Ingram.

Last season a alone a swing around NFL backfields revealed only two difference-making backs that were picked in the first round. Those were Adrian Peterson and Chris Johnson.

Other RBs picked that early were not nearly as impressive. Ryan Mathews, Reggie Bush, Knowshon Moreno, Beanie Wells, Donald Brown, and closer to home, Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams were not difference makers despite being former first-round picks.

And in the meantime, running backs that didn't have that type of draft pedigree did make a splash. LeGarrette Blount was undrafted before doing fine work for Tampa Bay as a rookie. Arian Foster led the league in rushing and his pedigree is he was not drafted and toiled on Houston's practice squad before exploding onto the scene.

The point is effective running backs can be found throughout the draft and sometimes as free agents as well. 

Special running backs, of course, are different.

Special ones like Marshall Faulk or Edgerrin James or Peterson are more than worthy of a high pick. But that leads us to the next perspective we must discuss in breaking down the Ingram possibility: Is he special?

He doesn't have great size as established above. He doesn't have great speed as evidenced by his 4.63 time in the combine and then 4.55 time at his Pro Day. By the way, what was going on with this kid around combine time that he was so unimpressive?

OK, well, maybe he's a monster on the field? He was very, very good in 2009 when he earned the trophy. But he was hurt much of 2010. He is a plugger. He merely plug away, plugs away in 5-, 6-, 4-yard bursts to get his yards. The 85-yard runs? The screen passes where he made two guys miss? The run up the middle where he ran around a linebacker and through the chest of a safety?

I didn't see that.

Don't get me wrong. Ingram is a nice player. He's a good player. I'd love for the Dolphins to have him. But I would hate for them to invest the No. 15 pick in the draft to get him.

Please remember that the draft is about getting value as well as a good player for your pick. Think about that because that idea has worked against the Dolphins previously.

I point you to 2008 when the Dolphins could have picked QB Matt Ryan with the first pick. They picked Jake Long. Long is a wonderful player. He's been a Pro Bowl player each of his first three seasons. But he's a left tackle.

He'll never lead a team to a Super Bowl. He'll never have the ball in his hands when the game is decided. He'll never be a difference-maker. So yes, the Dolphins got a great player with their first overall pick in 2008.

But they would have gotten more value if they had chosen Ryan, who is a very good quarterback and might someday do those things I just mentioned that a difference-making player can provide. Again, value can be just as important as production with the draft.

The 15th overall selection, provided Miami doesn't trade, should bring a special player. That pick should go to a difference-maker.

I believe Ingram will be a good platoon back. But a guy opposing defenses will have to game-plan for throughout the next four or five years?

I might need an eye exam. Because I don't see it.

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Its been a while since I agreed with Mando, but he's dead on. Trading down and getting an extra pick is the smart move. (of course it takes 2 to tango, hopefully someone will be looking to move up).

They could still grab a quality O-lineman in the 20's and get a RB later. For example, Jordan Todman, RB, UConn. He's the goods and he should be there in the 3rd.

I would love to see Miami pull the trigger on franchise QB. I am completely in the minority in that I would draft Ryan Mallet in the first round. The draft is all about value but the word "value" is so over rated.

For example it's more valuable to draft Blaine Gabbert who could be the nexy Joey Harrington or Cam Newton who could be the next Vince Young and both flop over Patrick Peterson who is 6'1 215 lbs and runs a 4.37 because of position. Where is the value in that? It's all about IDENTIFYING players that can play and also that can play in the right system.

Miami wants to be run first team and to get the best back in the draft at #15 is a "value" pick and a player with a lot of talent.

Armando straight up dude you haven't watched enough of Ingram to think he is just a "plugger". He is a 3 down back as a rookie who can pass block, catch the ball and obviously run the ball.

Btw Mando 40 times mean nothing at all! Remember John Avery? You mentioned both Legarette Blount and Arian Foster both ran 40 times in 4.7 range. So don't give me 40 times, give me a player!

Who cares wha fatso thinks?

In regards to Todman, i live in the northeast now, (Big East country), my fiancee, is from Conn, so we usually catch a couple UConn games every year. If that kid played at a big time SEC or Big 12 school, everyone would know his name. He's every bit the back Ingram is.

He def passes the eyeball test, just looks like a natural runner. Plus he ran a 4.4 at the combine, not to shabby. Impressive in games vs big time competition, i.e. v. Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl

We have a Spring Break Musical Extravaganza coming up.

The Country Music band that I periodically "sit in" with asked me if I'd like to do it again.

I thought about my oldest son being back in the States and planning on visiting during that time. He's an excellent Bass player and solid on Guitar as well. So I told them I'd rather put something together and do our own set.

One thing led to another and the organizers called and gave me a green light.

The reason I'm posting this is because I'm looking for suggestions. We'll do an 8-10 song set. I always do a couple of originals, so I need some suggestions to fill out.

GREAT Classic Rock or Bluesy Country Rock ONLY! Ah, actually, who cares? As long as it's ROCKIN!

PS: I know this is a sports blog, so if you feel like telling me too stick it, by all means, do so. It's the slow time, so sue me-LOL!

What happened to Mike Charles? Where is he these days?

if they trade down and can come out of the draft with a qb, and the next qb is anyone who's name IS NOT chad suck boy henne then i am all for it!

Odin, when is it, I'll drive up from Florida! How 'bout some Jimmy Hendrix????

My Two Mocks

Using #15

1. Mark Ingram
3. Titus Young
4. Ricky Stanzi
5. DJ Williams/Rob Housler or Kendric Burney
6. Emmanuel Moody(Gators speedy rb)
7. Phillip Livas(Louisiana Tech) Ran a 4.34 40yd. Should be good return man.

Trade down Mock(Extra 3rd rd'er)

1. Mike Pouncey or Ryan Mallet(ballsy pick)
3. Kendall Hunter
3. Titus Young or Jernel Jernigan
4. Ricky Stanzi
5. DJ Williams/Rob Housler or Kendric Burney
6. Emmanuel Moody(Gators speedy rb)
7. Phillip Livas(Louisiana Tech)

Trading back, it looks like either Mike Pouncey or having huge kahunas to draft Ryan Mallett makes the most sense in the 1st rd. But staying at #15, unless a top 10 guy falls, Mark Ingram seems to make the most sense.

Good job Dying Breed!!!! Similar to my thoughts, thanks, now I don't have to post!

Redsky,

April 1st thru the 3rd.

St. Ignace, Mi. Just North of the Mackinac Bridge.

GOOD CHOICE!

I always try to do at least 1 Hendrix tune, it's a great way to show off a little-lol.

Just recently I've been including The Wind Cries Mary. Trying to get Red House down for this one. It's the only TRUE 12 bar Blues Hendrix ever recorded and it ain't easy.

At least not for me-LOL!

PS: I can get you free "accomadations", that is, as long as my Pit Bull Debo takes a liking to ya-LOL!

DB,

I LOVE the 1st 4 picks of your trade down mock.

Somebodies been doing their homework!

I would only be happy with Ingram with the 15th pick if we can not trade down or there is not better value with the pick for the offensive side of the ball. We have too many needs to not pick up a second or high third. Starting OL ( guard / right tackle ), QB for competition to Henne / depth, TE SUPER important for any QB especially a young one, RB sure, but we need speed at that position more than a mule which is what Ingram is. As much as I hated seeing Ronnie dance in the back field he still has what it takes to be the bruiser we need to wear out the D line, Just needs better blocking. He will play hard next year no matter where he goes and he is going to be cheap for what he gives this team secondary to being injury prone and coming off a low yardage year. Ill take him any day over the free agents out there.

Odin, dogs and women love me, unless I'm married to them

odin 6:44

Mike Pouncey is getting knocked around because when his bro jumped to the NFL they switched him from LG were he always played next to Maurkice to Center and his snap delivery was a little slow (bad mechanics/not fluid or natural at the position) so the quick footed DT were able to get the jump on him causing all kinds of problems at the line. He adjusted mid-season and closed pretty strong but there is a legit worry about his ability at C. in the NFL, even though he is an extra fast and athletic pulling Guard (when I`ve talked about him it`s always at Guard) just to slow snapping it and getting out of his stance and the comparisons to his Bro plus alot of teams comparing them has also hurt, one is a natural Center the other a Guard.

If your gonna do a set on some Classic with your boy, you can never go wrong with Stair way to Heaven, The Stones Fade to Black also works

Well of to Naples with the Fam. for the weekened, enjoy people I will be making some dirty strawberry slushies, still haven`t decided whether it`s Vodka or Rum, maybe I`ll just drop em both in there.

Cheers, Valhalla, take it easy, agaralo suave, arivaderche !!!!

You're right. Ingram does not show he is a special back. Trade down please to get that 2nd rounder back. Concentrate on QB, o-line, and a stretch the field WR and TE. Too many RB's available in FA this season to waste the 15th pick on one. Plus this team has used 3 first round selections on the RB this past decade. 1 on Brown 2nd OVERALL and 2 on Williams. How many Superbowl's did that get the team? ZERO! QB >>> RB

odin,


I HOPE IRELAND IS READING DYINGBREED POSTS ....... IRELAND TODAY IN INTERVIEW WITH MIAMI DOLPHINS SAID (( IT'S BETTER TO HAVE 2 PICKA IN TOP 50 RATHER THAN HAVING ONLY ONE PICK )).....CAN ANY ONE READS ANY THING FROM THAT QUOTE ?

EVERY ONE IN THIS BLOG SHOULD GIVE DB A DOLLAR FOR EVERY POST, SINCE YOU ALL BECOMING SMARTER AND WELL AWRE OF THE GOOD PLAYERS IN THE DRAFT .

Armando...Aloco has started the GANG OF DEFEAT and has named various posters to this gang...

I would like to introduce to the blog...THE GANG OF MEDIOCRITY....

Number of Membesr-1...YOU Armando......

But I am sure many others will rush to join and agree with your mediocre thinking when it comes to Miami Dolphins drafting....

Why don't we just change our name to the MIAMI WALMART'S....."everything is 2 for 1....2 for 1 gets you 7-9 everytime".....that could be our new motto....

We gave up our 2nd rd to get Marshall...it was worth it and will pay dividens many drafts from now.....

The picjk at 15 needs to be made at pick 15....or gamble and trade up to get the player the FO just GOTTA HAVE.....

This trade back stuff will keep us mediocre for years to come....not taken the best talent availible is scared football.....

I liken it to taking a knee when you have one more play to run from the GB 50 yard line.....

or...playing for 3 points when 7 points will put a team away....

Medicority.....its contagious....and its running rampant through the minds of our most loyal fans and poster's.....

WHY ARMANDO DOESN'T ASK DYINGBREED TO FILL FOR HIM 1/2 OF THE TIME SINCE ARMANDO HAS ANOTHER JOB AND HE WRITES ONE GOOD POST EVERY 3 WEEK ?

KRIS ,

I JUST READ THE FIRST 3 LINES OF YOUR POST @ 8;27 AND I AGREE TOTALY W/YOU RE ARMANDO DUMB THINKING .

KRIS,

REMEMBER ARMANDO IS ONE OF THE GANG OF DEFEAT LEADERS,HE'S NOT A DOLPHIN FAN ,HE'S JASON TYLOR FAN .

Aloco...this mentality has to change.....we need to flush this mediocre way of thinking out of our system....

Aloco,

Allow me to translate.

I think what Ireland meant by that is he thinks me and my kid should do a bad a s s 3 piece version of the The Ballad Of Curtis Lowe!

"Sing me a soooooong Curtis Lowe.........."

YES KRIS,AGREE


NOTICE ,HOW DB ISN'T TALKING NEGATIVE ANY MORE? FOR HE'S A REAL DOLPHIN FAN BUT ARMANDO ,WELL GOD BLESS HIM .

No doubt he is a Jason Taylor fan....the open display's of affection make me sick.....

I'm with you Kris, simply a matter of quality versus quantity. They traded two 2nds for Marshall, now they should just bite the bullet, learn their lesson, and stop endlessly trading down. While I like Marshall, they overpaid, 50 mil and TWO 2nds? He didn't even make it on a recent top 10 WR poll that was either on SI or ESPN. It should be a lesson, trade up, but don't trade down, aim to be the best, not get lucky with a late round acorn. You trade down maybe when there is just nobody of value to you there, not pass up superior talent for lesser talent.

Think of Odrick and Edds coming back as an extra 2nd and 3rd this year, and just go for the best quality with what you have.

The dolphins need more draft pics

ODRICK HE MAY NOT COME BACK NEXT YEAR BUT LATER IN THE YEAR IF THERE'S A PLAYOFF GAMES FOR US.


ODRICK JUST STARTED WALKING ON THAT FOOT LIMPING ............

Lets trade back and get two back-ups....instead of one sure-fire game changing starter....then you know what....next year we do the same thing...

Nah....lets get 2 Acorns for the price of 1....then cut them for nothing 2 years from now....

MARSHALL IS OUR DESTINY ....... 25 MILLION IS GUARANTEED FROM THAT 50 MILLION.


ODRICK LIMPING TO THE BANK W/15 MILLION ,8 MILLION GUARANTEED .

I'm starting the GHS (Gang of Higher Standards).

The first two honorary members:
Kris
0x80

Open admission to those who favor quality over quantity.

ME,ME,ME..PLEASE 0X80 .

0x80....well said....well said....that is exactly what I am trying to put out there....

The only thing I take a little issue with is that I think Marshall was a victim of our poor offensive scheme...and that was the reason for his down year....

The man made it happen with KYLE ORTON....need I say more....

THE PEOPLE WHO LOOK FOR MORE PICKS ,THEY SHOULD REMEMBER THAT WE HAD THEM LAST FEW YEARS AND GOT US NO THING BUT PAT WHITE AND ODRICK .

Kris, I think Brandon was an excellent pick up and will be valuable for years to come. Even still, considering that high salary, I thought two 2's was TOO much. Maybe a 2nd and a player or even could have negotiated a 2nd and a 3rd. Do you see the price we are paying now going into this years draft with no 2? Complicating things more than helping.

Aloco you're in, welcome aboard

GHS:

Kris
0x80
Aloco

Trading up is the absolute worst thing for us to do of all scenarios. Trading up into the top 10 will cost at least our 3rd rd pick and to get into the top 5 from #15. Probably cost this year's 3rd rd'er plus 2012's 2nd rd'er.

The 2011 3rd rd'er will just be the paper 2012's 2nd rd'er IOU is written on. So those of you suggesting moving into the top 10 or higher need consider no nfl gm's will be giving those higher slots up cheaply.

0x80....i feel like they did what they had to to get the player the coveted....and I would love to see that agressiveness in the draft...

I feel it was a fair price.....we just need to utilize him right....if/when he is scoring TD I doubt the sting of not having the 2nd rd would be so great....

The problem is we turned one of the top 5 playmakers in the NFL in to the #1 possesion reciever.....and thats not what we as fans expected.....

I may have suggested earlier trading up, but that would be in the rare case you need to grab the missing piece to the puzzle. We currently have more missing pieces than puzzle.

Those who say we are 'close', its the same as saying we are far. The top 25 teams are close, the top 7 have arrived.

0x80,

I agree, two 2nd for Marshall may have been in the ever so least steep for Marshall. Had Ireland held firm he may have gotten for a 2nd and a third. It would have been a lot easier to recoup the 3rd pick sitting at 15.

Jesus I was on my way out the door and caught 0x80 with his Gang of Hitler Standards.lol

Me i`m all about the L.O.C.

LEAGUE OF CHAMPIONS !!!!!!

Really guy`s Gang of Higher Standards, what does that mean, are you going to help me get a better S.A.T. score or maybe if I get a D- you`ll help me shoot for a Ct, people who talk about higher standards are usually myerd in mediocraty, if your gonna start a click make it about being the best 0x80, I`ve really come to expect nothing less my friend, L.O.C. !!!

Now maybe if my dumb as s bro in law gets here I can get my show on the road.

DB/0X80,


DOESN'T THE DESION RE MOVING UP IN THE DRAFT DEPENDS IN WHAT AVALIBALE THEN ON THE BOARD ?

Fair assessment Kris, he is here now and will be for sometime so if he stays healthy its good.

As desperately as we need picks, I'm now against trading down. Whoever you would have taken in the 2nd, well just look to FA to fill that need. Giving up a 15 just doesn't make sense to me unless its a really really good offer, not a late 1 and a 3, a late 1 and a high 2, which of course isn't likely to happen.

DB....why I don't stake my argument on the trade up....if the FO did trade up to get the QB they wanted and we were set at QB for the next 10-15 years...well.....I'd say it was worth it...

On the flip side if they trade up for the QB they want and he turns into a bust.....well...I will respect Ireland and Sporano for having balls.....but balls don't pay the bills

Still, after already recouping one 2nd rd'er, paying a single 2nd rd'er for Marshall is a great steal too. But I do favor trading down and getting an extra 3rd rd pick slightly more than standing pat at #15.

By the way I`m with DB in this particular line of discussion.

fin4

You said "people who talk about higher standards are usually myerd in mediocraty".

I beg to differ, people mired in Higher Standards never find their standard high enough. It simply means, go for the gold, not the bronze. A lot of bloggers here are wanting to trade gold for bronze, including our GM.

DB/0X80,

WHAT PLAYER HAS TO BE ON THE BORAD ON DRAFT DAY TO JUSTFY US MOVING UP ?

Whoa Fin4,

I just now read your last post more clearly. I take offense at the gang of hitler comment, well below the belt and a sever exageration.

My "wish" list:
1- Any QB
2-6- any other QB
7- a RB
We can't miss there, can we?

I am not in favor of killing people fin4, just not in favor of selling high picks for acorns. Huge difference.

I meant higher standard, I am actually watching a documentary on the 3rd. reich and that one got away from me writting as quickly as I can while trying to get my fam out the door for the weekend, my bad lol, I think you know me better than that.

FIN4LIFE,

IS THAT YOU ,YOU SHOULD SAY YOU R SORRY TO 0X80,AS FOR THE LEAGUE OF CHAMPIONS ,SOUND TOO WISHFUL THINKING,LET'S GET TO THE PLAYOFFS FIRST .

kris,

You gravely miscalculate. Trading into the top 5 is an automatic 2nd rd'er. Since we cant pay up this year the interest will be this year's 3rd rd'er to boot.

So if the qb is a bust. Total costs are:

1. The 1st rd pick(selecting him)
2. The 3rd rd pick(interest because you can pay 2nd rd'er in 2011 draft)

3. Your 2012 2nd rd pick to move into the top 5.

So when that qb goes bust he costs you 3 players within the first 3 rds of 2 nfl drafts. Most importantly its like our 2011 draft didnt began until the 4th rd.

It would probably take 2-3yrs of excellent future drafting just to break even from such a disastrous error.

DB WANTS THE DOLPHINS TO GET MORE PICKS AS POSSIBLE AS IF WE ARE IN A VETABLE MARKET IN SOMALIA SO WE CAN SIGN 10 OF THEM AT 23,000 A PIECE .IT'S THE WRONG ARGUMENT.


I HOPE THE FINS FIRED THEIR DOCTOR WHO LOOKED AT ODRICK .

Even better Aloco.....lets just hit on a first rd pick at number 15 that we are still talking about years from now.....

That would be a start.....picking 1st is easy....picking late takes the pressure off....lets see how they handle a mid-dirst rd pick

O.K. then GHS as long as were talking about going 100/100 nothing else will do, even though I don`t want Gold just Platinum Lombardi Trophies. Again 0x80 you know much respect has been established was paying attention to the TV and lost my train of thought

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