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Mark Ingram? Is he No. 15 overall special?

Why Mark Ingram? What is the facination with this young man?

I get that he is the 2009 Heisman Trophy winner. I get that he is is an upstanding man. I get that he played for a great program at Alabama and in perhaps the most competitive league (SEC). But what is it about him that makes all the so-called draft gurus say he's going to be the Dolphins' choice in the first round of the April 28 draft?

Personally, I believe the Dolphins will select from the school of great need. They will select trade down.

Have I said it often enough? This team needs more picks more than ever with a likely coming rookie wage scale making draftees more valuable and cheaper than ever at a time the Dolphins lack a second round pick. So trading down in the first round and getting back a late second-rounder -- as Miami did last year -- or perhaps and early third-rounder, is a huge necessity.

Failing that, however, would the Dolphins use their pick on the 5-10 and 215-pound Ingram?

There's multiple ways of looking at this. From a historical and philosophical perspective is one way and that one suggests Miami should not go with Ingram.

Last season a alone a swing around NFL backfields revealed only two difference-making backs that were picked in the first round. Those were Adrian Peterson and Chris Johnson.

Other RBs picked that early were not nearly as impressive. Ryan Mathews, Reggie Bush, Knowshon Moreno, Beanie Wells, Donald Brown, and closer to home, Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams were not difference makers despite being former first-round picks.

And in the meantime, running backs that didn't have that type of draft pedigree did make a splash. LeGarrette Blount was undrafted before doing fine work for Tampa Bay as a rookie. Arian Foster led the league in rushing and his pedigree is he was not drafted and toiled on Houston's practice squad before exploding onto the scene.

The point is effective running backs can be found throughout the draft and sometimes as free agents as well. 

Special running backs, of course, are different.

Special ones like Marshall Faulk or Edgerrin James or Peterson are more than worthy of a high pick. But that leads us to the next perspective we must discuss in breaking down the Ingram possibility: Is he special?

He doesn't have great size as established above. He doesn't have great speed as evidenced by his 4.63 time in the combine and then 4.55 time at his Pro Day. By the way, what was going on with this kid around combine time that he was so unimpressive?

OK, well, maybe he's a monster on the field? He was very, very good in 2009 when he earned the trophy. But he was hurt much of 2010. He is a plugger. He merely plug away, plugs away in 5-, 6-, 4-yard bursts to get his yards. The 85-yard runs? The screen passes where he made two guys miss? The run up the middle where he ran around a linebacker and through the chest of a safety?

I didn't see that.

Don't get me wrong. Ingram is a nice player. He's a good player. I'd love for the Dolphins to have him. But I would hate for them to invest the No. 15 pick in the draft to get him.

Please remember that the draft is about getting value as well as a good player for your pick. Think about that because that idea has worked against the Dolphins previously.

I point you to 2008 when the Dolphins could have picked QB Matt Ryan with the first pick. They picked Jake Long. Long is a wonderful player. He's been a Pro Bowl player each of his first three seasons. But he's a left tackle.

He'll never lead a team to a Super Bowl. He'll never have the ball in his hands when the game is decided. He'll never be a difference-maker. So yes, the Dolphins got a great player with their first overall pick in 2008.

But they would have gotten more value if they had chosen Ryan, who is a very good quarterback and might someday do those things I just mentioned that a difference-making player can provide. Again, value can be just as important as production with the draft.

The 15th overall selection, provided Miami doesn't trade, should bring a special player. That pick should go to a difference-maker.

I believe Ingram will be a good platoon back. But a guy opposing defenses will have to game-plan for throughout the next four or five years?

I might need an eye exam. Because I don't see it.

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I agree on Ingram, it would be nice to see the dolphins draft an impact player and I am not sure he would be , that said they seem to be able to draft okay players but not reaaly good ones so far, so maybe they should get the best o lineman with the 15th, and then try to get a qb through free agency whenever the dispute is settled, because if they draft a qb he most likely would not start which means no playoffs again, Henne I don't think will ever lead the fins into the playoffs , now trading back is okay as well as long as we know how to pick players and that has been a problem so far, maybe getting the best player early might be better, just my take , I would love to see the fins win the super bowl one more time before I croak and I am 47 so we will see

this isnt a running back league anymore. its a pass happy league with the best teams having the qb's who "get it". guys like tom brady,manning,brees etc dont need top tier backs. they create mismatches with their 5 receiver sets. offense wins games now. ireland/sparano/parcells are like the dinosaurs who became extinct. they had 3 years to figure it out;all 3 should have left holding hands. take the team doctors with them!

oh, no ingram at 15!!!!!!!!!!!!!! rb's can be had late rounds.

GREG Z ,

VERY GOOD POST@ 10;26..............I JUST READ THAT DOLPHINS HAVE ONLY ONE DOCTOR WHO'S A DENTIST WHO LOOKED AT ODRICK AND GIVE THE GO AHEAD .

Is it logical that some are saying don't draft Ingram at 15, we need an impact player, and then suggest taking an olineman projected to go late 1st round? How is taking a late round olineman early at 15 going to be more of an impact player than taking the top RB in the draft? Did you know olineman can be found later in the draft too, or FA?

Scratching my head on that one.

Our oline isn't as bad as some think. Nate Garner should be back and Jerry is a monster, he should improve. Our RB situation is currently the worst in the league.

There's an awful lot of flaws in this article Armando. First of all, you say you don't want Ingram at 15 but you don't say who you do want. And if it's so easy to just pick ANY running back at ANY point in the draft Armando, maybe you can enlighten us who those backs are now, rather than doing it in hindsight as a lot of the posters on here like to. A couple of other backs that you didn't talk about that were first round back....LT and Thomas Jones. Both have had nice careers and both made contributions to their teams last year, with both teams making the playoffs. How about Jahvid Best. Pretty nice year and good things await this guy. The Texans drafted Tate, also. He was hurt but I believe he was drafted in the first round also. Could still be a pretty good back.

Armando, you also mention that the Dolphins will try and trade back. Most of us want that. Still pretty hard thing to do. You've got to find a trade partner and it won't be easy. I still think the Saints will be the team to trade up and take Ingram. He would be a good fit for them....a good missing piece.

Lastly, you talk about Long not being a difference maker and Ryan being one. How's that working for Ryan, so far? How many playoff games has he won so far? While I agree he's a great player, I hardly think the franchise can be criticized for taking a guy who has been to the Pro Bowl three straight years. There's a chance we're looking at a Hall of Famer here and you want to criticize the pick? Complete nonsense!! Everyone wants to make out that great quarterbacks do things on their own. Take a look at the surrounding cast in Atlanta, with Roddy White, Gonzalez, Michael Turner and a pretty good offensive line. Show me where any of that exists in Miami right now? Ryan, while a very good player, is also a product of his environment. I don't know why so many guys miss that. Peyton Manning wouldn't have been Peyton Manning if he'd have ended up in Cleveland or even Buffalo. I defy anyone who thinks that. He was helped by years of great drafting in Indy....hence a Hall of Fame QB. As usual the QB gets too much credit and too much blame.

Craig M, speaking of Peyton, people forget for a decade he had Marshall Faulk (2nd overeall) and then Edgerrin James (6th overall) running the ball for him, only two of the best RB's in the last 20 years.

Now all of a sudden some are saying the top RB in the draft is not worth a 15 because its a passing league. I wonder what Peyton Manning thinks about that.

0x80,

I agree with you. TO me running back is the biggest void on the team. None of the guys we had last year got it done. Now everyone wants to blame the oline or the conservatitive play-calling. That's fine. What if they're wrong? Why are guys so dead set against drafting a 21 year old running back who is going to provide us with fresh legs. Why does EVERY first round pick HAVE to be a home run? How about just filling a need where a need exists? I'm also fine with taking a running back later in the draft too but can someone please tell who that guy is and please tell me a back that we've had recently who was taken outside of the first round who's been a big impact guy for us. Hilliard was like a fifth round pick for us and he's had very little impact to date. Are guys actually suggesting this is the route we should be going? Seems to me if we can run the ball, which we couldn't last year, Henne will continue to be a dead duck!

I saw every play ran by Mark Ingram at Alabama. He'd be a great pick at 15. He's got great vision and makes yards after first contact. I wish we would get a QB, but if the top 3 QBs aren't there at 15 and you can't move up, take Mark Ingram. He won't disappoint. I don't the want us to trade down just to get an extra pick if he's there. We can take Ingram at 15 and pick another RB in the third round like Jonny White out of North Carolina. If we get those two guys, it would be a great draft.

We have a real need for a solid every down RB and some are suggesting that taking a late round oliner has more value than the top RB in the draft...don't get it.

I'm not convinced any of those later round RB's are every down backs, and most too small to become good blockers. I like Hunter the best, but I'll bet so do 30 other teams, its no lock we'd get him.

LET'S FOLLOW OX80 ADVICE......... TAKE INGRAM AT 15 AND NOT WORRY ABOUT TALKING SOME ONE LATER IN THE DRAFT WHO'S WORTH 157 DOLLARS AT MOST .

0x80,

I think we saw a different Peyton Manning last year without anyone to run the ball. Defences saw what was coming and we saw frustration from Manning for one of the few times in his career. Betcha the Colts get the running game figured out this year, as Addai is a free agent and they will likely take someone in the first three rounds. Why don't they take the approach of 'we can just pick up some free agent or late round pick and we'll be fine'. It's because they're not fine and it's a need on their team. To ignore needs would be irresponsible management.

Mike B gave me a good idea, just a little different that his. In one draft this regime double downed on DE, Merling/Langford. In another they double downed on corner Vontae and Smith, each time both were serious areas of need. Why not double down on RB and be set for 10 years, Ingram and Hunter, I really like that combination. Use FA to do the rest. We are not going to solve all our needs in one season. Let's shoot for the top RB tandem, why not?

0x80,

Is Hunter an every down back, though? I have concerns about his size and durability. I like Ryan Williams myself and I think he'd be a great pickup in the second.

People on this blog really love Drew Brees...Hmmm, didn't he always seem to have top RB's running the ball for him? I don't ever remenber Drew Brees handing off to Lex Hilliard.

0x80,

Look at Drew Brees' INT numbers from last year. He's gone from one of the most accurate passers in the league to one of the leaders in INT's. Did he suddenly lose it all of a sudden? No. The Saints couldn't sustain a running game last year and went through about 8 different running backs. Defences knew what was coming. Must have been a coincidence, right?

Craig, I've stated many times, I'm not convinced any of those late rounders are every down backs, which is why I say don't pass up the opportunity to grab Ingram. 15 is a very fair spot for that guy. In this draft I see only Ingram and Leshoure as for certain every down backs, and I like Ingram way better. With Ingram on board, I like Hunter best to compliment him.

Not sure I love the double down theory for picking backs, 0x80. I'll agree we can plug in FA too and we're not going to solve all our holes this offseason but with no second round pick, I still think we could get a running back in FA to compliment Ingram. Guys will think I'm insane but I would still go after D'Angelo Williams. I don't think there's going to be a huge market for him and I think him and Ingram in a tandem would be ideal. I could see only 3-4 teams being interested in Williams, if that and I think he still has some rubber left on his tires.

I'd like to think we will look TE in the 3rd or 4th. I like Virgil and DJ Williams as possibilities. OL is still a need on this team too.

OUR DENTIST DOCTOR SHOULD LOOK VERY DEEP AT INGRAM ,HE HAD A KNEE INJURY A YEAR AGO .

Seriously. I suggest to the bloggers here to check out the scouting reports, their pro's and con's, and then the youtube highlights for each of those late round backs you like, and then compare them to the scouting reports and youtube highlights on Ingram. When you put them side by side like that, it is no surprise why Ingram is considered far and away the most highly rated RB in this draft, the others don't even come close. Take about a half hour to do that and see what you think afterward. Barring any of the top 10 draftees falling to 15, Ingram far and away will indeed be the most value at 15, far more than any late round olineman.

Craig..yeah, I was getting carried away with the double down theory, not for it any longer.

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Aloco...with all the blogging you do I think you have a half hour of free time to invest.

I'm going to call out Mark in Toronto on here. He wants QB, QB, QB......GREAT!! None of the guys this year are consensus number ones, there's a lot of debate over which of them is the best and he wants us to use number 15 on a QB. Why? Because according to him you can't win in this league without having a first round QB. Tell that to the 49ers, Bengals and Bills, who even with a first round !B, still couldn't win!

On top of all that, the guy he REALLY wanted at 15, Mallett, a lot of guys now have going in the third round. So the beauty of us being fans, we can say and wish for whatever we want, but as soon as Ireland or whoever else makes a mistake, guys call for their heads. Mallett at 15 would get any GM fired!! There's a lot of talk that this guy doesn't have it mentally (forget abot his physical game for a moment), that the guy doesn't have it between the ears. Is that really who want to invest in next? That's the guy Mark wants us to mortgage the future with, hoping that he's the guy for the next 10 years.

Bigafly...DITTO everything you said.....it was like music to my...eyes....

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Ok, football is not rocket science. Does everyone agree with that. There are a few things that go into having a running game. The firts thing is being able to block and be nasty at the point of attack. Does everyone agree with that. The second most important thing is having a passing game that the defense has to respect. Chad Henne did not get no respect from opposing defenses, they crowded the line of scrimmage and dared him to throw the ball. No speed at wide receiver, Marshall is more of a run after catch guy. And Bess is a position guy. WITHOUT a QB WE STILL WILL NOT HAVE NO RUNNING GAME. WHATS THE SUCCESS TO A SUPER BOWL TEAM. QB, QB, QB. Running backs can be drafted in the later rounds. Its a proven fact. Pittsburgh has been doing it for the last 25 years. They use them for 4 to 5 years and bring another late rounder in. Its not rocket science. The dynamics of the game say trdae down and get as many draft picks as we can and hope we can get maybe Kolb from Philly or get lucky in the draft. Other than that it will be another 8-8 year or at best 10-6. No QB no real contender

Craig, you left out Oakland and Jamarcus Millionaire Russell. Even Jimmy Johnson said pre draft that Oakland needed a qb and HAD to take Jamarcus.

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During a recent NFL radio Mock Draft they said Miami at 15 will go with the first surprise pick in the draft and go with RB Ryan Williams.

I'm wondering if they have inside insight to this somehow?

I still think we need a legit receiving TE. This will help both the running game and the receiving game. A legit TE will either occupy a Sam LB or Safety freeing up the line or defensive bacfield repectivly, or at worse leave the TE open for catch. (I know we need someone who can get him the ball too)

I haven't looked to see if there are any good draft values for us to look at or Free Agents to look at but we need someone besides Fasano.

I know we need to look at RBs but I see more of a need at QB. I think the Eagles will trade Kevin Kolbs who has 1 yr left on his contract. If the Eagles want to gain anything from him they will trade him know before he becomes a free agent next yr. As i keep see he ma be worth as high as a mid to lower 1st round pick and as low as a second round pick. so i say use our 1st round pick and solve our QB problem now. Its been 15 yrs do it and be done finding a QB.

Josh, Kolb has not proven anything yet. AJ Feeley had done more than Kolb when we gave up a 2nd for him and that was a waste. Some bloggers were saying give up a #1 for Derick Anderson after his one good season, he hasn't done anything since. To give up a #1 or a #2, it would have to be someone with a proven track record of winning, like VY.

The 7th and 8th leading rushers from last year, Rashard Mendenhall and Steven Jackson, respectively, were first round selections. That means 4 of the top 8 rushers from last season were first round choices. 1st rounders Cedric Benson and Darren McFadden were also 1000 yard rushers.

The draft is a gamble. More good players at nearly every position come from rounds after the first because you're comparing a few people to many. Your argument, Armando, lacks substance.

I would re-sign Ronnie Brown and upgrade the O-line because I think he can be an effective back. Stop using the two-back system because no running back can get in a groove with 10 - 15 carries.

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Here's the problem. The Tuna and Co. were brought in to re-build this team after a 1-15 season. They began with their strength; building from the inside out, linemen! On bothe offence and defence. The trouble is that they tinkered with the O-line a little too much (Sparano) wanting guys who could play every position well, but that meant a lack of continuity on the line. Except for Long, they never seemed real set on who went where. Now, it's time to fill-in with skill players (QB, WR, runningbacks, etc.) which isn't their strong suit at evaluating. And, they still have gaping holes on their O-line! They've done a good job on Defence, for the most part, but there are still some holes there as well. In a year where we're still re-building and have a lot of needs, the FO has to choose a strategy to continue the growth of the team. Do you complete the growth of inside players to solidify that? Or, do you get the skill players that you need? Which one can help this team get over the hump and take it to the next level? No one knows what to do right now because the clock is ticking and jobs are at stake. Play safe or go for broke? It's gonna be interesting, to say the least!

QVS said it.

No grove man. Two of our most important offensive positions were cut short by our own offensive coordinator.

Pay no attention to who might have the hot hand, I'll just wildcat you at the worst possible time.

Running backs? There is no such thing as a RB getting stronger as his number of carries increase. This is the platoon system BUDDY! Love it or leave it!

Dooh!

Have no fear! The brain trust, the same one that is still using the Doctor that "green lighted" Odrick's osteoporosis, the same one's that hired the Dead Legend Walking, the guys that couldn't figure out how to get rid of the Fist Pumper, YEAH, THOSE GUYS, they went out and got us the only OC that was statistically WORSE than the DEAD LEGEND WALKING!

It's getting difficult to be optimistic, but here, let me give it a try:

Daboll! Daboll! Daboll! Daboll!

Anybody else feeling any better?

I'll agree with Tracy on at least one thing for sure:

"It's gonna be interesting, to say the least!"


Gotta go, I'm going to look up the definition of the word DIATRIBE!!!!

ALoco,

After reading my last post can you see why I've been blabbering on for weeks about Truth, Love, Blondes and Brunnettes?

Rock and Roll my Brother!!!!

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Craig M sounded like a "Voice in the Wilderness".

Everybody keeps blabbing away about "it's a passing league now".

I think that's absolutely true. However, as Craig M so astutely points out, it's not a passing league at the EXPENSE of the run game.

Craig gave a few examples to buttress his argument. Kudos Craig!

For shyts and giggles, of all you guys espousing the passing league theories, give me some examples of a great passing team, in this passing league era, that had no run game.

Aloco,

I don't know know what a Brunnette is.

I thought I was talking about this chick named Kandiss.

Ha! I just found this thang called spell check. How about Brunette?

You of all people are going to critique my spelling? Aloco, now that's RICH!!!!

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ALoco,

You called me out for going off topic. Now I'm attempting to redeem myself.

How about this:

Weak QB draft class. Missing our 2nd round pick. Question marks all over ALL the BLUE CHIP prospects. Yet this is the year we have to get that 1st round QB?

Smacks of desperation if you ask me. What's more, I don't want to give up ANY 1st to 3rd round picks for ANY of the QB's that's on the blocks this year.

On the contrary, I'd be trying to find a partner that wants my 1st this year for their 1st and 2nd next, heck I might even take their 1st and 3rd next year for it.

This way Jeffy could be in HOG HEAVEN this year. Searching out them acorns from the 3rd on out. You think you're so smart at finding them acorns Jeffy, put your money and your career where your mouth is, HAVE AT IT!

It would suck this year, but how else are you going to right this sideshow. At least next year we would be looking a little more Bellicheckish with 2-1st rounders and 2-2nd rounders to work with. We could even trade Crowder and double up on 7ths(LOL) for next year too.

We can't just pull the trigger on a 1st round QB simply because we haven't for the past 28 years. That's just desperation and frustration blurring the issue. It's sorta like hunting for a bear and bringing home a duck. I'm tired of WASTING all my ammunition!!!!

The only great passing team I can think of that didn't have an excellent running game was the fins with Marino. Heck even Dan Fouts had Muncie.

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PS: Aloco, I didn't know you were serious. A Brunette means a woman with brown hair.

I'm not into frivilous labels though. She's young, smoking Hot and has that arch between her shoulder blades and Booty!!!!

I'm ALL IN!!!!

odinseye,

Thanks for the kind words bud. Just calling them like I see it...it may not always be popular but just talking the talk....

0x80,

Seriously, when I originally wrote that post, I put in a sentance that read: Leave Marino out of it, PLEASE!-LOL.

I deleted it and replaced it with:....... in this passing league era,.......

I even thought of Fouts but you're right, Chuck Muncie provided just enough of a legitimate running threat to keep defenses honest.

Chuck Muncie didn't have very good vision though, he did'nt need it.

Freaking bowling ball. I liked watching him run. He reminded me of a black Larry Csonka with a little more speed.

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Craig,

You're welcome. Unpopular or not, I noticed neither of us are getting any arguments-LOL!

Aloco,

The French have a lot of Kool sounding words........like Coup D' etat.

HEY!!!!

I wonder if we can get a Grassy Knoll Gunman stationed outside of headquarters at Davie?

Now that just isn't funny.....or is it????

0*80, You think drafting RB at 15 then again in the 3rd rd would be a good move? I agree RB is an issue if we drop the ball in resigning R Brown the former # 2 overall selection... U don't let a stud go in his prime. That why Ricky is gone... Ronnie still has 3 more years atleast in his prime. I'd still draft a RB but not with so many other dire needs already. trade back would be the best option. There are a lot of great RBs in this draft and Johnny White could be had much later than 3rd. He's a guy that's projected rd 7 becuz of injury last year

Aloco,

The two Blondie's were talking and trying to figure out where I was the other night when I was with the Brunette.

The two Blondie's get along and their fine with "it". However, they 3-way-ed me(excuse the pun-lol)and tried boxing me into a corner about the Brunette.

I could see the writing on the wall, so I asked them, "do you want a pretty lie or the ugly truth"?

One of them asked what is that supposed to mean?

I told them I could use three background singers for the Spring Break Musical Extravaganza-LOL!

PS: The Blondes disdn't think it was funny!!!!

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