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Fins privately compare Pouncey to Stephenson

So the debate rages whether Mike Pouncey is a center or not.

People, let's settle this now. He is a center.

Forget the issues of those failed shotgun center snaps. Yes, they happened but they came early in in the 2010 University of Florida season when Pouncey was new to the center spot. As the year progressed, the misguided center snaps disappeared.

This is something I was told by someone who was in the Dolphins draft room yesterday: Before the pick was made, Jeff Ireland popped on tape of Mike Pouncey for everyone present. It showed Pouncey delivering a block against a safety some 20-30 yards down the field.

[CORRECTION: I am told by someone higher up who was in the room that Ireland, in fact, did not pop in the tape of Pouncey for everyone. The idiot that I am is now confused and wondering why I believe everything people tell me.]

A comparison was drawn within that room between Pouncey and former Dolphins center and current Hall of Famer Dwight Stephenson. Yes, that's bold, but that is how confident the Dolphins are of Pouncey's ability.

Of course, the comparison was never made publicly. That would put too much pressure on Pouncey. But even the private comparison suggests how high the bar is set for Pouncey.

Now enjoy the video below and check out how many times Miami's new starting center blows the shutgun snap.

 

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mando, is that supposed to be a joke.

seriously, dwight stevenson? holy crapola these guys are delirious.

Third!

Hopefully Pouncey turns out 3/4 as good as Dwight Stephenson then the Dolphins will be set at C.

I'm wondering who the pulling G is going to be.

I recall discussion last year that incognito did not move well and the Dolphins run blocking scheme was not getting to the 2nd level.

Who is going to be that guy? Are the Dolphins looking to sign a FA G?

Let's hope he even has 1/3 of Dwight's skill. If so we should have a pretty good line for a few years.

Can the Dolphins afford to sign D Williams, a G and Vince Young! I hope so.

Absolute blasphemy...........Dwight Stephenson was one of the greatest centers ever until that POS Marty Lyons cheap shotted him. This guy better turn out to be one hell of a center for that type of accolade, public or not.

SUCK for LUCK 2011

So discount the real game performance and be dazzled by this video.

Its not PRIVATE any more...eh Armando??

***Fins privately compare Pouncey to Stephenson***

Other than being a Hall of Fame center (without doubt the best I've ever seen play the game at that position. period. bar none)....

AND Stephenson having made his snaps to an actual NFL starting QB (starting will do... after 28 f'n years with no QB drafted in the 1st round - no self-respecting masochistic Dolphin fans expects "franchise" ever again).

But other than those two things... maybe they are right.

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In NFLN draft recap Mariucci was saying how all the rookie offensive lineman are now protecting franchise QB's. Steve goes on to explain how:
Tyron Smith is protecting Tony Romo,
Nate Solder is protecting Tom Brady,
Anthony Constanzo is protecting Peyton Manning,
Danny Watkins is protecting Michael Vick,
Gabe Carimi is protecting Jay Cutler,
Derek Sherrod is protecting Aaron Rodgers.

Guess which team they failed to mention... Oh, just wait.

Then Mayock says " Who is Pouncey protecting"? And the entire panel laughs.

Was Stephenson that good? I was born 1986 and didn't really start watching football till 98. Who does he compare too?

DC....REPOST FROM LAST BLOG....MY RESPONSE TO YOU BELOW.....
DC @ 1:56 pm....

I would have taken Mallett...and i'll tell you why....

We are probably not a playoff team next year.....Henne seems to be a win one lose one kinda guy.....

We need a player to play the QB postion with consistency.....Mallett didn't need to start day 1.....He could learn for a season or half a season.....

I am not concerned with Coach Tony's or Jeff Ireland's job security (which just got less secure imo)....I am concerned with bringing the FINS back to respectablity....and that doesn't happen when the only holes you fill YEAR AFTER YEAR is the OL.....let me guess....we will draft a QB in the 3rd....and a LB in the fourth....you wanna bet.....we've seen this story the past 3 years.....

The Parcell's plan is DEAD......

But still we will continue to use it as a blue print as if it just win a SB 2 years ago...as oppossed to 21 years ago.....

Posted by: kris | April 29, 2011 at 03:33 PM


Pouncey is a guard NOT a center. The Dolphins will soon find that out.

I agree with Julio. That is just a really ridiculous statement. I know you are just reporting it Mando, but come on, man. How long did it take you to get off the floor from laughing after you heard that.
Don't get me wrong, I hope the kid is awesome, and cement's the O-line for the next 10 years, but we are talking about a HOF'er here. And one of the greatest, if not thee, of all time.

Do you guys NOW understand the MENTALITY of the people who determine the future of our team.....

Do you get it.....

It's funny how coaches teach take one for the team and the team is above everything else. Then they are on the hot seat and they become what they preached against. In any event, this pick better work out!

I guess Pat White brought back memmories of Randall Cunningham....

Mando, I disagree with you about Pouncey, I think he's a left-guard. Keep Incognito at center, because the guy couldn't pull the plug out of the drain, let alone lead on a sweep, and then let see if Jerry can beat out Garner at RG. Long and Carey at tackles. That is, if they don't find someone to take Carey's fat butt in a trade.

How good was Stephenson? You don't compare him to others, others are compared to him.

I'll believe it when I see it. Bad snaps can be fixed...That's just technique. But skill and natural ability is God-given. If he has that and lives up to the hype then the fins will have done well.

Nicely put, Mark.
Sometimes I wonder if some people think before they speak.

I guess Stephenson was the greatest center of all time!

If Pouncey turns out to be an elite center, we got a GREAT pick!! I'm still skeptical but it has more to do with his size.

Armando, not usre if you are still around or not but does the brass have any issues with his size? he's around the same size as Satele and Satele wasn't big enough for them...what gives?

Dwight Stephens was the best center ever! Just like Dan Marino; there will never be another Dwight Stephens. Now, concerning the draft; the dolphin nation would have felt much better if Ireland had taken Ryan mallet. Let's hope they move up in the draft and take Ryan Mallet. Remember, quarterback is the most important position on the field. I believe Mallet will be ready to start the first game of this season. MOVE UP AND TAKE RYAN MALLETT, YOU WILL NOT REGRET IT!

Then Mayock says " Who is Pouncey protecting"? And the entire panel laughs.

Posted by: twyger | April 29, 2011 at 03:58 PM

What RB is he gonna open holes for?

dwight stevenson was a BEAST!!!! i never seen a center move like he did... the footwork was unbelievable.... thats a BIG comparison

Im not old like you Rage, I didnt start watching football till 98 so I never got to see him play you douche. He was only 6'2 255 what made him so good?

Posted by: DM - "Was Stephenson that good? I was born 1986 and didn't really start watching football till 98. Who does he compare too?"

Our own Jim Langer is in the Hall of Fame. Not even in Stephenson's league.

Steelers fans will tell you Mike Webster was the greatest. I got to see Webster play... Stephenson was better. Not even a debate in my mind over it.

Real oldsters will mention Jim Otto. Never saw the gentleman play... or if I did, it was brief - and unremarkable to me at that age.

That's it.

To paraphrase a teammate... Dolphins of that era looked forward to team game tape sessions every week, just to watch Stephenson's match ups. On said - you know we'd laugh our butts off watching Dwight... but you knew that other guy was hurting man.

Mark... u must be a young Dolphin fan... Dwight Stevenson made the hall after a short NFL career due to a dirty play from the Jets... this guy could snap the ball and pull any which way and deliver a block for the ages...

I lied, I couldn't resist just one more.

Stephenson? Don't even try making me feel better with a joke like this.

This 1st round pick played all of one season at center. ONE! Have no worries, by mid season he had ALMOST figured out how to snap the ball.

This FO is so lost. They can't even justify taking this project 15th overall and they're going to compare him to Stephenson? A guy that played ONE YEAR and played rather lousy at that, and their going to compare him to Stephenson?

There, now I'm done!

I'll die a Dolphin fan, but I'm through with this FO. The Miami Herald and this Blog.

The next time I post here, it will be about the new FO and coaches. Until then guys, have fun..................

ValHalla!!!!


Was Stephenson that good? I was born 1986 and didn't really start watching football till 98. Who does he compare too?

Posted by: DM | April 29, 2011 at 03:59 PM

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In answer to the question, yes, he was that good. He was extraordiary. The fact that he's in the Hall of Fame despite an abbreviated career attests to Stephenson's greatness.

You could only compare him to the very best centers who have ever played the game. The best at ANY position along the OL, in fact.

As for the "private" comments I don't understand all the venom. Yes, that's setting the bar incredibly high for Pouncey---to a level very few, including him, are ever likely to attain---but I see no harm whatsoever in trying to help spur the kid to greatness and living up to a great Dolphins legacy at that position.

Cripes, sometimes I think someone in the FO could say "have a nice day" and they'd be attacked for being presumptuous and ignorant of bad days.

Much ado about nothing.

Kris @ 4, BINGO! I agree 100%

People who wanted Mallet are considered morons on these boards, don't you know?

Regarding rebuilding the o-line every year and never being better than mediocre, I agree a 100000% & have stated as much in recent posts.

All we need to do is look at the Packers. They got their QB, RB, WR's & TE & then reshaped their o-line. We are doing everything backwards. When we finally get a viable QB, the o-line will be old or up for FA & we won't be able to re-sign them all. WATCH!!!

Before you start callin' people a douche, Jr.,When I wrote "Sometimes I wonder if some people think before they speak." I was refering to whoever said it inthe warroom. Geez, get a grip.

He whipped the Refrigerator Perry by himself with one arm in the 1985 Monday Night Game. His other arm was attached to a sprained shoulder. The man was only 6-2 255 but damned if any NT could take him on and win. His strength and leverage will probably never be seen again. He was simply the best.

Can't wait to see Pouncey vs. Marcell Dareus in the Buffalo game.
I too have concerns about his size vs. the monster nose tackles in the NFL.


He whipped the Refrigerator Perry by himself with one arm in the 1985 Monday Night Game. His other arm was attached to a sprained shoulder. The man was only 6-2 255 but damned if any NT could take him on and win. His strength and leverage will probably never be seen again. He was simply the best.

Posted by: Hurrigangsta | April 29, 2011 at 04:21 PM
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Absolutely relentless, too.

I'd love to relate a sory about Stephenson pancaking the defender in front of him and then reappearing 25-yards downfield destroying another guy but he did it so often it became routine.

It was anything BUT that, of course! Absolutely one of the top five guys to have ever worn aqua and orange.

I still think he'll be our LG. It's a bonus if he can play both though.

I thought they signed Incognito to play C because he wasn't good enough at G?

So, lemme get this straight.

They take Pouncey, a more natural Guard & draft him to play C. Thus leaving Incognito, who is better at C, & keep him at G?

Does any of this make ANY sense? LOL

So...who are we taking in the 3rd round tonight?

How good was Stephenson? You don't compare him to others, others are compared to him.

Posted by: Mark | April 29, 2011 at 04:07 PM


Mark... u must be a young Dolphin fan... Dwight Stevenson made the hall after a short NFL career due to a dirty play from the Jets... this guy could snap the ball and pull any which way and deliver a block for the ages...

Posted by: KyleButler | April 29, 2011 at 04:15 PM

Ok, what exactly is the problem you have with my post? : )

...These are just rumors, but they are gaining steam. Will the Dolphins give up their first round pick next year to move into the second round to grab QB Kaeprnick...As reported by Adam Scheffter..Armando where the Frick are you on this one???? I cannot believe for one second that this has any legs. Just like the windbag LaCanfora had us taking Kaep in round 1 yesterday.

You guys that are upset about Pouncey, This is the most ridiculous thing that I have ever heard. If it has any TRUTH. I don't get to do the qb evaluation so what I say means nothing. But Kaepernick for a first? You thought the Vikings made a mistake. This would take away ANY future ammunition for a real quarterback should we need one next year, when there are real prospects...This is crazy talk, and I do not believe it.

Funny thing with Stephenson (if I'm remembering this correctly) was that he only got in as a starter when Dennard went down with an injury.

No doubt he would have taken the job at some point anyway, but as much as I revere Shula there were personnell decisions like that that left you wondering what he was thinking. Impossible to believe Stephenson wasn't obviously the better talent out on the practice field.

Rumors of the Fins trading up, but I don't buy it.
I would go with a RB with return skills or a TE that does not have hands of stone.

CGI & special-effects throughout that so-called video.

Kris the argument can not be ignored here.

How is henne a win one lose one kind of guy? they guy has never had proper protection on a consistant basis. how can anyone judge his full ability @ QB if every moment he played he had no clue if the o-linemen in front of them know their assignement?

I'm serious about this, it is easy to blame Henne, and hold him accountable. But our o-line by admission of coaches missed WAY to many assignments. and I dont care how good of a QB you are. When that ball is snapped and you can't trust the 5 guys in front of you and the backs next to you, you will always struggle and be off on your timing. Peyton Manning says it all the time, If he does not have time we don't win games. (He said that when asked about his tremendous win/loss record.)

Mark, wondering the same thing. You were praising Stephenson's ability.

Darryl, definitely do NOT want Miami giving up a first to get into the 2nd round here.

Now THAT would smack of desperation and a front office not planning intelligently for the future!

Dan Marino once said that Dwight Stephenson was the greatest football player he ever played with at any position.

Joe...i'm on board with you.....were in the same camp....

Here's a question....I wonder hom many other GMs used the word SAFE when they were describing there 1st rd pick this morning......

They can still fix this thing in my opinion....trade back into the 2nd and get Mallett....

All these experts say he will be gone within the 1st 5 picks of the 2nd rd.....

He saw a block 20 yards down the field and compares him to Stephunson???, The lights on but nobodys home...........

Another report from windbag LaCanforna..The Dolphins, and Raiders....THE RAIDERS both reported to be interested in moving up to grab Kaepernick..I hope this is a bad dream.

Poizen its simple.....to start the season he won 2.....then lost 2...after that he won one...then lost one....up until the point were we lost 3 in a row to finish 7-9.......

Thiggy had a game in there against the bears....

Stephenson,,,,,

Privately???? Really, I'm sure they love you sharing then...No Wonder, I listen to the Joe Rose show over yours...Jeeze

..You have to be kidding me. The Phins make the prudent smart pick yesterday. And there is a real possibility we would use our first round pick next year to move into the SECOND ROUND this year. On a quarterback that isn't close to ready to play?

I know this is a rumor, this hasn't happened so there is no use getting upset about it now. But my spaceship is fueled up and ready to GO OFF if this rumor becomes reality.

Before you start callin' people a douche, Jr.,When I wrote "Sometimes I wonder if some people think before they speak." I was refering to whoever said it inthe warroom. Geez, get a grip.

Posted by: Rage | April 29, 2011 at 04:18 PM


I'll take back the douche, but come on Jr. I dont think being 25 make you a Jr anymore Mr. Wilson I mean Rage.

Dwight Stephenson was a MAN. If Pouncey plays at 70% of Stephenson's level, we have a top 3 center.

Another thing about Pouncey. I think we can all agree every legit mock draft/expert had Pouncey going in the 1st round. He's a consensus 1st round talent. There was no reaching here by Miami. If Miami doesnt take him, he doesnt last more than another 5-7 picks.

In order to be held in such esteem by personal guys and experts, and be an all-american, it's reasonable to believe he MORE than held his own in the SEC playing week after week vs other 1st round talent. Guys like Fairly, Marcel Darius, Terrance Cody, Dan Williams and a bunch of other NFL caliber D-lineman in the SEC. (its not like there is a shortage of D-line talent in the SEC). He's no doubt a worthy pick. Anyone can end up being a flop, but I feel very confident Pouncey will be a top notch C for many years

if pouncey turns out to be half as good as dwight stephenson that would make him twice as good as any other center. stephenson was in the stratosphere.

If Miami gives up a first for the temporary satisfaction of having a pick this evening, ask yourself this:

How much will you be liking that deal a year from now when the Dolphins are sitting there with no first-rounder while the Pats (yet again) have multiples?

How would you like it if Miami would have had a shot at Luck?

A resounding NO to that scenario from this perspective.

anyone think we'll grab a veteran QB once FA begins next week?

poizen...

When the saints win....Brees gets the credit...whemn they lose...het gets the blame

When the Clots win....Peyton gets the credit....and takes the blame.....

Same with Matt Ryan.....

Rodgers....

Flacco...

Why is Henne the exception to this rule.....

When we lose....its because his parents didn't hug him enough as a kid....

He got bullied in the 5th grade....

his High School sweetheart dumped him right before homecomming....

We all know you win as a team and lose as a team.......but when do we take the diapers off of Henne....

Poizen....can you think of any plays when Henne went above and beyond his duties....because in this league...you have to have a QB that does.....

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