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Has Brandon Marshall been worth it so far?

It's simple and unsavory. The Dolphins are outnumbered in the number of draft picks they'll bring to the NFL draft in a little more than two weeks.

That is not up for debate.

This is: The Dolphins have fewer picks than other AFC East rivals because they made the football decision to invest their second round pick -- along with another second rounder last year -- on wide receiver Brandon Marshall.

So has Marshall been worth the price so far?

Simple question, really. Knowing what you know today, would you give up those two draft picks for Marshall today?

Marshall had a good-news, bad-news season with the Dolphins in 2010.

The good news is he caught 86 passes for 1,014 yards in his first season with the Dolphins. That led the team and was the team's most impressive season by a receiver in the Parcells-Ireland-Sparano years. Marshall was a legitimate threat to opposing defenses and often the only receiver that was double-covered by defenses.

But there is bad news, too. Marshall scored only three TDs, his lowest total since his rookie season in 2006. He played 14 games because he was injured for two others. He struggled with his hands, leading the team in dropped passes. He had a couple of on-field difficulties, including a poorly timed unsportsmanlike penalty for throwing the football at former teammate Jay Cutler in the Chicago game. He ran wrong routes more than any other Miami receiver.

And he and quarterback Chad Henne were rarely on the same page. I'm not blaming Marshall for this one. Chemistry is a two-way street. So it is up to bothhe and Henne to get their act together. Marshall talked at the end of the season how he enjoyed a better chemistry with backup Tyler Thigpen.

I hope Marshall uses his first season with the Dolphins as a launch point to better things. But what if he doesn't? We don't know. We can only judge what has actually happened.

So would you rather have those second-round picks or the player at this point?

 

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That site posted by DB says 11 DROPS.....what say you Aloco.....post another site with this supposed 32......

kris,

I dont completely buy Hartline being inadequate at the #2wr. Henne was clearly afraid to throw deep unless a reciever ws nearly 10yds open and when he did throw it. He was mostly wildly inaccurate.

Henne's deep throws were consistently too long, too short, or too wide. Henne was the primary problem with deep down the field passing, not the wr's.

odin,

I love your passion on this post, great stuff all day. I agree 100%, as a matter of fact I think we all agree here with little exception !!

nobody important.

You want me to find a site saying Marshall ran wrong routes? Heck, I may have a better chance turning water to wine. LOL...............

Hey odin,

I`ve read in a few publications were the Browns take Jones over Green and I gotta tell ya if there is any chance baby megatron (AJ) is sitting there at 10 I would move hell and high water !!!

DB,

Oh well, it was worth a try. :)

Nobody Important,

I too would like to know where Armando got his information.

Using common sense though, if any of our receivers had the balls to defy the sacred ancient Hennings or the sacred Cow SpOrano, it would have been Marshall.

Seeing how the defenders knew what was coming 95% of the time, I don't blame him!

DB....I agree completly.....which is what makes Marshalls 1,000 yard season even more impressive......

But again...Hartline was a Day 1 starter (correct me if i'm wrong...I might be).....and no development was needed.....

However....Turner...needed coaching....and our staff coudn't give it to him....

kris,

I believe we still have problems with the deep downfield passing game in 2010 even if we had vintage Jerry Rice next to Marshall.

Henne seemed to clearly be the primary problem with that phase of the passing game. That's why everyone doubled Marshall and placed 8 in the run box to stuff our run game.

Defenses dared Henne to beat them and he didnt! LOL............

Didn't..or coudn't????

That is the question DB....LOL

Henne was not scared to throw the ball deep, he never knew when the o-line was going to miss an assignment, which happened far to often. Plus our RB's were maybe the worst at finding the free blitzer. to throw the ball deep you need time to let a play develop. Any QB who can not get consistant time will be gun shy and throw bad long balls. Just look at Brady when he played up when JT was in his prime. there was always one game a year that we made him look average, and it was always the game when no one could bloch JT. Once Brady was rattled and was not sure how much time he had, completion % dropped and int's increase. Again, Henne is not close to Brady yet, but the same rules do apply.

kris,

I was only stating the kid Stephen Burton at 6'1 224lbs runs a 4.37 40yd, is worth the investment if you could get him 6th rd.

A guy like could be a total nfl beast if the lights evr totally came on. Think about it! LOL..............

Fin4Life....you know I march to the beat of a different drummer....

debate and differing opinion make for thoughtful discussion......

its all good man......

Kris,

a wr that size and that fast is like having Hines Ward with sprinter's speed if the lights ever come on. Should the lights come on he has a physical skill set that would definitely land him in the hof.

He also had the best 10yd shuttle time amongst all the wr's too. LOL...............

BTW, I am real sorry to keep bringing up the same thing about Henne, I really am. But the people blaming Henne for last year keep bringing up the same lame comments also. so that is why my lame comments keep popping up.

kris,


Didn't..or coudn't????

That is the question DB....LOL

Posted by: kris | April 18, 2011 at 05:06 PM


I THINK IT WAS A LITTLE OF BOTH! LOL............

Kris,

It`s the different points of view that make this fun !!

Poizen @ 5:06......I think you are writing revionist history.....seriously...

We had one of the best ...and i say again..THE BEST....pass blocking lines in the NFL thru week 8 or so....it wasn't until the injuries that the line broke down and could no longer pass block....

Our run blocking sucked from snap 1....but if you look at the tapes....with an objective eye.....you will see we pass blocked well for the 1st half or more of the season....Henne routinely got 5 seconds or more....

Poizen,

The only 3 things greatly disappointing me in Henne are:

1. Deep Downfield passing. Horrible!

2. Blitz recognition. He's a young qb but still should've been better.

3. Horrible accuracy in the redzone. Didnt attempt even one endzone fade to Marshall all season.

After those 3 things, take away the 5 picks(not entirely his fault), and he was absolutely spectacular! LOL......

Poizen,

LOL.... Afraid the oline wouldnt hold up? Defenses were always blitzing obvious passing downs because they had zero fear of Henne beating them deep! LOL..........

kris,

The defensive strategy against young qb's is always to place 8 guys in the run box to shutdown the run and blitz hell out of young tenderling on obvious passing downs.

Until your "young tenderling toughens up by beating these blitzes the onslaught never ends. LOL..................

The best pass blocking oline in nfl history wont consistently hold up to endless blitzing. Sooner or later your young qb has to began making plays in the face of intense pressure.

The answer is absolutely YES.

I am amazed the question is even being posed.

Top 5 WR's don't fall off trees, or usually get picked in the 2nd round or later. Although Marshall was taken in the 4th rd, that is a rare find.

Folks whine and pine about not having a true #1 WR for years, we get that guy, he cataches 86 passes, and its not good enough? Geez.

Marshall's presence helped Hartline go from 31 in 09 to 43 catches in 2010.

Marshall's numbers (and Hartline's) would be even better if Henne knew how to throw into a tight window.

MATT RYAN NO LONGER GETS BLITZED AS FREQUENTLY BECAUSE HE SHOWN AN ABILITY TO BEAT THEM.

ITS JUST LIKE A BATTER WHO CANT HIT A FASTBALL. WHAT PITCH DO YOU THINK THE OPPOSING PITCHER WILL THROW HIM MOST?

IF HE BEGANS HITTING THE FASTBALL WELL. GUESS WHAT PITCH THEY'LL BEGAN THROWING HIM LEAST? ITS THE EXACT SAME WAY WITH YOUNG QB'S IN THE NFL WITH BLITZ FREQUENCY. LOL..........

DB....if he was missing passes...that would be one thing.....the fact that he misses reads is whats so frustrating....his staring down recievers....until they COME OPEN....and in essence....causing the reciever to be double teamed....

MJZ,

You forgot to mention Marshall put up those numbers in only 14 games. He was injured for 2 games. LOL.............

in order to beat the......blitz....you have to be able to read the defense and know who the open/ 1 on 1 reciever will be.....

kris,

Defense new there was no need to double Hartline anyway. Because Henne wasnt going to even attempt to throw it deep to him unless he was 5-10yds open.

If you had 1yd of separation between you and the db, Marino would still fling it to you deep! LOL......

To phins78 - You might want to temper your wrath against Parcells for the Pat White pick against the fact that Parcell's built our entire young D. Except for Y Bell, Crowder and Soliai, every player on the D today was either drafted by Parcells or picked up in a trade (Dansby) or FA (Wake and Starks).

CB's are critical in today's game and he got two in the same draft, certified studs in Vonte and Sean Smith. Just look at their stats, they played at a high level in 2010.

Honorable mentions for Langford, Merling and Misi.

Wake has got to be the FA steal of the decade.

WOW, ALL YOU GUYS SOUND LIKE YOU KNOW YOUR FOOTBALL ,THE MISSING PART IS LUCK AND HC AND GM AND AN OWNER AND WR WHO DOESN'T DROP THE BALL 32 TIMES AND TE WHO DOESN'T THE BALL 6 CRUCIAL TIMES AND BESS TO PLAY WELL IN MOST GAMES NOT JUST 4 GAMES ALL YEAR .

Poizen,

EXACTLY! Most Florida fans want to hold him to a double standard because he beat the snot out of T-Choke in that Bowl game!

Defenders admitted to the MEDIA that they already knew what was coming. Henne's fault!

The O-line couldn't pass block, oft injured and That Florida product Carey was an absolute turn style. Henne's fault!

Dan Henning hasn't called a coherent game since 1990. Henne's fault.

Fasano has two maybe three good games a year. Henne's fault!

Some QB are known for being hot and cold. Some coaches let their QB's develop a rhythm. Not us, not Dan Henning. When our young QB gets a hot hand, we YANK HIS A S S in favor of an offense that went out of style in the 1940's! YeHaaW! Henne faced this crap since his FIRST ROOKIE START. Duh, Henne's fault!

The best Speed receiver we've had since Henne's arrival was Ted Ginn. Henne's fault.

The best true no. 1 go to speed receiver we had last season, Hartline or Marlon Moore take your pick. Neither one would have seen the field on any other team in the league. Henne's fault!

Brian Hartline caught the out route against Pittsburg, but then fumbled the ball right into the hands of the defender, AGAIN, Henne's fault add naseum..................

I actually read a post today that said this was Henne's fault because of ball placement-ROTFLMAO!

Whatever happened to the old addage, if a receivers hands touches the ball, he CATCHES IT? Oh yeah, that's our built in double standard. It apllies to every receiver in the league, unless Henne's throwing to him. Henne's fault!

Henne's still used to college when his wr's could easily get 5-10yds behind db's deep. It rarely happens like that in the pros.

In the pros if you get 2yds behind the db you're wide open. I dont think Henne's learned this yet. LOL.......

ALOCO STILL STICKING WITH THE 32 DROPS BY MARSHALL BUT WONT SUPPLY A LINK TO THAT INFO! LOL...........

Aloco...until YOU post a link proving this MYTHICAL number of 32 drops.....you should really refrain from writing it.....

Or at least write.....

*not intented to be a factual statement*

signed...John Kyle (R) Arizona

We had one of the best ...and i say again..THE BEST....pass blocking lines in the NFL thru week 8 or so....it wasn't until the injuries that the line broke down and could no longer pass block....

Posted by: kris | April 18, 2011 at 05:16 PM

Vernon Carey graded out as almost the worst RT in the NFL. From weeks 1 thru 8 and weeks 9-16.

Carey was an absolute turnstyle all season long!

Berger? Come on, don't even get me started on Berger. He wouldn't have made most teams rosters, let alone a starting job. He was equally awful at run blocking and pass blocking from day one. He also graded out as one of the worst starting centers in the league.

I can't remember the name of the site now, but I'm sure somebody does. What was the site Armando always quotes where they give out all the player rankings and grades for the season?

I know to some of you it seems Im bashing Henne. But Im really not. Im just stating exactly what I saw while watching the games.

If you want to to blame it all on the oline be my guest. But as oline, if you consistently face 8 in the box on run downs, then frequent blitzing on passing downs. The primary problem is your qb.

HE CANT FORCE DEFENSES TO BEGAN PLAYING YOU HONESTLY! BUT YOU GUYS GO RIGHT AHEAD AND INTEPRET WHAT YOU SAW IN 2010 ANY WAY YOU LIKE. LOL.................

KRIS,

Not being able to post facts for anything he says has never caused Aloco to refrain from anything. The truth will never be a sticking point with him. LOL.................

WHEN MARSHALL DROPPED THE BALL AROUND 32 TIMES LAST YEAR ,I DIDN'T SEE ANY ONY ONE COMES TO HIS DEFENSE .

(( THIS STATEMENT NOT INTENDED TO BS A FACUAL STATEMENT )) .

Ummm since this regime(and the others before it) have whiffed on their second round pics, I'd say hell yes he's worth it. Is he worth Pat White and Henne?

LOL.... Afraid the oline wouldnt hold up? Defenses were always blitzing obvious passing downs because they had zero fear of Henne beating them deep! LOL..........

Posted by: DyingBreed | April 18, 2011 at 05:21 PM

I'm sure it had nothing to do with Henning calling a PLAY ACTION on 3rd and a gazillion. I know this is a rare occassion of course, because we usually ran the old inside handoffs in this situation.

Hey, wait, NOPE! I'm sure it wasn't because in most passing situations, ESPECIALLY our two minute offense, we kept a FB, RB and TE on the field.

Yeah, those FB's, RB's and TE's ALWAYS create a nightmare for opposing DC's coverage schemes!

Yep, that's thwe way I would develop my young Quarterback.

I'd love to see Mallet under those circumstances-ROTFLMAO!

I wonder who he'd be more mad at? Carey? Berger? Hennings? Maybe the untimely drop by Marshall? I'm sure he would of been just fine running on and off the field everytime Hennings got him in a 3rd and gazillion with the wildfluke!

Odin.....we had a top passing team for the first 8-10 games of the season.....you watch enough tape to know that...and I know you are objective enough to admit that amongst us Dolphin fans.....

Ball placement is HUGE in the NFL....were windows are small...its only a hair between a catch and a incompletion.....and the correct ball placement is the difference betweeen YAC and a catch and tackle on the spot....those are huge....especially on 3rd down for a team that checks down.....

You don't need great speed when you put the ball on the money.....

I don't want to make this a war about Henne.....the bottom line is he made more bad plays than I care to think about....with the unfortunate anomally mixed......

I really don't want to replay them on this board....but i'll bet my list would dwarf yours......I think the pitt game alone would out win out....but if not....i'll throw in the cleveland game.....

Don't get me wrong Odin.....I want the kid to succeed as much if not more than you.....but we have to have REAL persepctive when talking about how to fix this team...not shouda. woulda, coulda's......or any other form of revionist history......

odinseye,

If we had the perrenial all pro Cowboys oline that blocked for Emmit Smith and pass protected for Troy Aikman. They would have only looked average at best with Henne behind center.

They never had to frequently face 8 men in the run because Aikman could beat them deep. And they didnt have to face frequent blitzes because Aikman coul beat them deep.

Not saying our 2010 oline was really all of that, just saying they got zero help from Henne's ability at qb. He wasnt even close to an Aikman in downfield ability. LOL............

Are you serious??? Can you PLEASE FIND A FREAKING HOBBY???? Is he worth it after one season???? For years anybody whose been following the Fins, has be asking for a top-notch WR, you got one, and now you are asking if he was worth 1 second round pick, (I say one, because we actually got one back last year) I swear this has got to be the dumbest question I ever read from you, and there has been some other doosy's from you.....

odinseye,

Henning called playaction on 3rd and gazillion because the blitzing was coming and it was a VAIN attempt to slow it down by a milli-second!

Thats what that was all about. In some cases it bought Henne a few milli-seconds at best. Otherwise the defense pins back thier ear and come with ZERO regards to a run attempt. LOL.......

Odin....I don't need a website to tell me what my eyes have already seen.....

I routinely told Mark in Toronto how much Carey sucked....its well documented.....but nonetheless......our pass blocking was outstanding from weeks 1-8.....and I stand behind that.....

Thats why I am so frustrated with Henne....I watched him with all that time....and still he STARED down the #1 reciever for that route....and WAIT for him to come open......

That was Henne......

He didn't earn the nick name robo-henne by being fluid in his reads and movement.....watching him turn his body a complete 180 degress to see the other side of the feild wold have been funny....if he was the QB for the other team....

I dont think Henne considers his wr's open unless thier at least 5yds behind the db! LOL.........

Guy's, I think some of you are missing the point. First off, There are a few games early on n the year where Henne looked real good. Pitt and GB were great games, and who ever here would say otherwise is just a hater. Now, he has things to work on, or NEEDS to get better at.

But here is my point. On not picking up blitzes ( You can tell by the way he went through progressions that he was not playing a natural game. He was told to go through progressions, and where to throw it. I think he did get caught up on trying to read the game perfectly that he did not use any natural instincts, he was just trying to do what coached told him.)

Again the long ball conversation (If a team is rushing 4 or 5 and getting to you in less than 3 seconds, even HALF the time in a game. A QB is going to be gun shy, or rush throws. Watch the games again from last year, you will see this. Henne got his butt handed to him by other D's. I don't know where you are coming up with he had one of the best lines for pass protection, but I have re-watched every game from last year and that was not the case.

The int's, at least 5 were not his fault at all, and he was always playing from behind, with a piss-poor offensive game plan in place. Defenses admitted to knowing where the ball was going from the play calls at the line, and they knew it better than our recievers.

Henne not being able to throw in a window??? Are you serious. You do need to go back and watch games again. Just in the GB game alone he fit some nasty passes to Marshall with the D all over him. He also hit Hartline who slipped and was falling down and henne corrected the pass so he could catch it on the ground.

Look, I can not type enough here to explain my point. Some of you will never believe this, but I am not what you would call a "Henne Fan".

If Aaaron Rogers was available, or Brees, or Rivers, or Peyton, or Brady, or even M Ryan I am in to replace Henne in a heart beat. I may have missed one or 2 more, but Henne is not as bad as a lot of people make him out to be.

He has not had the luxury of playing with sound O's that the QB's i mentioned have. I think it is the easy way out to blame Henne for the majority of this, but there ARE just to many factors you can point to that helped creat this teams problems.

I am out for the night, have a good discussion all.

HOW IN HELL A POST ABOUT MARSHALL THE GREAT BECOMING A BASHING FEAST OF HENNE.... THE HATE ON THIS BLOGS TOWARDS A 26 YEARS OLD HENNE WHO MAKES 600.000 AND HAS A RECORD BETTER THAN PALMER SPEAKS OF ILL AND SICKNESS BY SOME BLOGGERS.

CJ.....the bigger DOOSEY is this....how could we all beg for marshall to come here and then blame a SPEED WR who isn't EVEN on the roster for Henne's woes....thats a ROTFLMAO......

Many lesser QBs have made lemonade with much less

In the NFL, if a wr gets more than 2yds behind a db. Its considered a blown assignment.

If Henne continues to look to see his wr's 5yds behind the db before he considers them open. It wont be long before he joins RYAN LEAF! LOL..................

Poizen...please remind me of what was so great about the pitt game....I am one of those who you would classify as a hater because I didn't see a great game out of our QB.....

Or our Defense for that matter....how many 3rd and 10 or mores did they give up......more than I want to remember I know that.......

Aloco....your next POST SHOULD BE A LINK TO HIS ALLEGED 32 DROPS.....

ALOCO,

LIKE YOU KNOW IVE SAID BEFORE, HENNE SHOULD HAVE DONATED $300,000 OF HIS $600,000 TO WELFARE TO HELP THE UNEMPLOYED WORKERS! LOL...........

DOES HENNE HAVING AN AFFAIR WITH DB'S GRAND DAUGHTER ?

DB,

I'll tell you what I saw.

Henne would drive us down the field almost effortlessly. That is, until we were in field goal range. Then Henning would flip the script and play the percentage game, always being content to get that Fist Pump. It was disgusting.

1st and 10 facing 8 men in the box. Run play up ther middle.

2nd and 13 facing 9 men in the box. Wildfluke for another loss.

3rd and 16 now out of fieldgoal range. EB, RB and AT LEAST ONE TE(LMAO) still in the game. A slow developing sneaky old play action. On 3rd and long no less. Hennings had all of two WR's out in routes.

The ONLY time we used the shotgun was for the inside handoff. Another tip off for that old sneaky coot. Oh yeah, I forgot. Hennings said Henne didn't like the shotgun-ROTFLMAO. Hennings wouldn't change his offensive philosophy or strategy come hell of highwater, but because Henne supposedly said he didn't like the shotgun, In this ONE instance he changed-ROTFLMAO. Come on.

Hennings actually called a lot of pass plays with ONLY ONE RECEIVER GOING OUT! Let me guess, Henne's fault!

Mallet wouldn't have stood a chance under these circumstances. Mallet would look worse than Ryan Leaf playing under a Dan Hennings system-LOL!

ALOCO,

I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE HENNE IN THE FAMILY. AS SOON AS HE GIVES $300,000 OF HIS $600,OOO TO HER. THEN I WILL TELL HER TO DUMP HIM! LOL............

ODINSEYE,

Yes he would at times drive us effortlessly drive us down the field on the heels of 8-15yd passes to Bess and Marshall. But 8-10yd passes arent going to cut it.

When we began running out of real estate, most those drives ended with "BIG FISTPUMPS"! LOL.............

ONLY IN FLORIDA............. FEDREAL AGENTS RAIDED THE NFL/CFL, A TRAINING FACILITY WHERE MOST NFL PLAYERS GO FOR TRAINING AND OTHER THINGS......... THIS COULD BE A BIG STORY ABOUT ENHANCED DRUGS .....

ALOCO,

BUT HENNE'S SO DUMB, I GUESS I'LL JUST HAVE MY GRANDDAUGHTER MILK HIM FOR THE ENTIRE $600,000 BEFORE DUMPING HIM. GUESS WE WOULD BE EVEN DUMBER NOT TOO! LOL...............

Chad henne.....
stats for 2010

490 attempts
301 completions

looks to me like a guy who got a lot of chances to to prove himself thu the course of a season.....

especially since he was benched for a game and missed another due to injury...

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