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Live blog chat today at 1 p.m.

New week so let me tell you the newsy tidbit first:

The Dolphins are hosting a visit from West Virginia inside linebacker J.T. Thomas, according to the National Football Post. Count him among the half-dozen or so inside linebackers the team has shown considerable interest in since the interview and workout process began.

That suggest, well, the Dolphins are feeling a need to add help at inside linebacker. Now, I don't know about you, but with Karlos Dansby, Channing Crowder, Tim Dobbins, A.J. Edds, and Austin Spitler on the team, you might think the team is good at inside linebacker.

You would think wrong.

The club obviously wants to upgrade special teams, obviously wants depth because Crowder will be in the final year of his deal in 2011, and because Spitler is alright but not really great so far.

My suggestion?

Consider moving Koa Misi inside. He can play the position and the Dolphins could use a pick to add a superior pass-rusher, which is also a need. It will not happen, in all likelihood. But why not think outside the box?

I don't see Misi as a 15-sack player. I see him as a solid seven-sack player when he gets completely comfortable with the OLB job. Why not improve two positions at the same time and try to land a big playmaking pass rusher?

Just saying.

Anyway, today is live blog chat day here. We'll get it started at 1 p.m. I will hang here with you until your questions or comments are done. If you cannot be here then, leave your question or comment now and I'll answer those first.

See you then.

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DishPan and others,

I hear everyone talking about "getting Luck." Let's make it perfectly clear, Andrew Luck, barring a miracle, is going to be the first pick in the 2012 Draft. Unless you're the worst team in the league (which no one is suggesting here we will be) and/or you're willing to basically give up multiple first-round draft picks (+ whatever else it takes) over the coming years, it's basically a waste of time and energy to think about getting Andrew Luck. It's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

If Miami thinks that highly of the kid, that means every other team in the league will think that (most of them anyways), including most likely the worst team in the league (who probably could use the closest thing to a guaranteed franchise QB in many years). So that team will most likely not be willing to give up that pick for anything in the world.

So stop dreaming people. Don't bank your strategy on getting Luck, stop talking about how we can trade up and get him, it's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! Let's live in the world of reality and not make believe and we'll be a lot better off.

ANDREW LUCK WILL NEVER BE A DOLPHIN UNLESS WE ARE THE WORST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE IN 2011. That's the only way it'll happen. ONLY way!!!

ALoco,

As much as Henne is bashed, Im sure evry dolphan would like to see him become an upper echelon.

Also in 2009 when everyone was still bashing Soliai, I actually saw a lot of improvement. Anyway, the next step I would like to see Henne take is to become more accurate throwing the deep ball.

DOES ANY ONE KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER PICK WE GOT DAN MARINO IN 1983 ?


JT WAS 3 ROUND PICK .....

ALoco,

IMO, until Henne can legitimately threaten defenses with the long ball accuracy. We will continue to ebb and flow with our running game no matter how good the olinemen or rb's.

By this I mean we'll run well against the poorer run defenses, but not so well against playoff calibre run defenses. Against the playoff calibre defenses, if you can pass well chances are you wont run very well against them either.

we could be in the bottom 3 in 2011. who is going to score points on our team? they double marshall. that doesn't leave us much. oline, special teams, new inexperienced coaching, henne a question, all problems. come draft day buffalo will have a better qb than us. we are closer to last than first that is for sure.

Dan Marino was our 27th puck in 1983.

ZACH TOMAS WAS 5TH ROUND PICK....... NOW GO FIGURE THAT ONE ..

AS DB SAID EARLIER IF WE CAN MEASURE THE PLAYER'S DESIRE .

With that said (above post @ 11:52am), how does that change anyone's strategy? Is the 2nd highest rated QB next year (projected at least) as good or better than any of the 1st-2nd rd (projected) QBs this year? Hopefully someone sees where I'm going with this.

It's stupid to think about who we can get "next" year. Let's stop overthinking. If Ireland has a QB who in his mind will fit this team and could become a franchise qb (no matter the year, no matter the round), he should grab him. Period (that was for kris). Don't worry about who else you need and what other holes you need to fill and can you get someone better in a year or two or three. QB is the most important position on the team, let's stop treating it like we're on a budget waiting for a sale at the dollar store. Target the player you want, and pull the dang plug and take that player. Whether it's first round this year (and leaves us without a 2nd-rounder), or 5th round this year and Ireland's hoping against hope, or next year or whatever.

I just want Ireland to do HIS homework, find the guy HE thinks will help this team, knowing what HE knows (with input from Sparano and the OC) about how THEY want this offense to run, and TAKE A QB. Don't wait 12 years, don't wait for the perfect specimen with no holes in his college game, don't wait for someone to fall in your lap, be proactive, make an educated guess, and pull the plug. That's what we need to do to get a QB. And if we're wrong, then start the whole process over again. Oh well, might hurt us a bit, but until we're right, we're most likely not going to be a powerhouse in the AFC East or the AFC as a Conference or the NFL as a league, simple as that.

NO DB...HE WAS NO........... 28

WHO REMEMBERS THE (( MARK BROTHERS )) ?

MARK CLYTON WAS PIUCKD AT 8 TH ROUND 1983 ...ONE OF THE BIGGEST PLAYERS DRAFTED BY FINS IN HISTORY .

Dropped picks may have heavily contributed to at least 3 of our losses last season. We werent getting blownout(save the Pats games)but dropped picks led to "2nd chance" points in at least 3 losses.

That's huge when considering 5 of our 9 losses were by 7pts or less.

I hate dropped picks! More likely than not, they almost always end in 2nd chances converted points for the opposing offense. Just as in basketball when you allow the opponent an offensive rebound!

DB/Aloco,

Usually I have 2 pages open on my computer 1 to work the other at you guys but DAMN ! I couldn`t get any sleep last night, insomnia took hold and I can`t seem to focus on my job. I`m gonna have to come up with something because I gotta get out of here today and go home !!

Yesterday Armando promised us a "new blog" daily. So far today he has yet to deliver. LOL..........

DC @11:52,

When it comes to Luck I`ll take a wait and see approach, he may have outsmarted himself by staying in school, while I won`t begrudge the young man for putting his education 1st there are a couple of things that need to be taken into account. His HC and mentor are no longer there how will this affect him in the upcoming season ? If Stanford falls apart and looses 5 or 6 games and he struggles sum, a possability any season, for any player or team, how does the NFL view him then ? Remember Jake Locker was the hands down consensus #1 overall if he would have come out in the 2010 draft.

NEW IDEAS FOR ARMANDO FOR A NEW BLOG ............. WHO ARE THE MOST 10 PLAYERS IN DOLPHINS HISTORY ADMIRED BY FANS ???


YOU WILL BE SHOCKED TO KNOW MOST OF THEM ARE DRAFTED BETWEEN 4TH ROUND AND 8 TH ROUND .........

EXAMPLE............ JT PICKED AT 3TH ROUND AND FORTH MOST ADMIRED .

TED GINN... IST ROUND PICK .... TRASH PIN OF HISTORY .


ZACH TOMAS WAS 5 TH ROUND PICK... NO 8 ON THE MOST ADMIRED LIST .

FOURTH............. TIME TO WORK.....LATER

The most interesting thing for me about the upcoming draft were it concerns us, is in the trade down scenario. If S.D. trades with us to move ahead of N.E. for JJ Watt then we go from 15 to 18. At that spot we could look to trade down yet again, think about it, if M.Pouncey or Kerrigan are still up there we could look to make a second move down to the bottom of rd.1 and conceivably have 3 picks between rds. 2and 3. In that scenario I gotta take a chance on Mallet then at the end of rd.1 because I`m insulated with those picks later to address need. If it played out I gotta say would be very pleased.

Fin4life...

Good afternoon sir,

Must agree on the Andrew Luck "Outsmarting" himself remark. How many times over the past 3 months do you think Jake Locker has kicked himself in the ass? Luck gets an entirely new coaching staff and 9 less seniors on Offense. His year may look nothing like the past season.

I do however admire the young mans commitment to his education, but the NFL affords PLENTY of time between December and June to finish a few credits, particularly if you are as bright as that young man.

Also must agree with DC Dolfan.... Miami is NOT going to finish anywhere below 8-8 next year... If I were to lay down cash, I would lay it comfortably at 9-7 to 10-6 based on schedule and Defense alone. No way do they repeat the home stand issue either. Healthy, the Miami Dolphins have shown they can compete with and beat any team in the NFL on any given Sunday.

Derek4,

Good afternoon to you to my friend, I agree with you whole heartedly on our 2011 outlook, no way we go under .500 If we even look like we will TS won`t escape the reg. season as our HC. I wonder what you think of the possibility of trading with S.D. which is a mear 3 slots to 18 because it begs the following question, if we can find another partner down to the end of the rd. we can then flirt with the idea of rolling the dice and drafting Mallet while still insulated with 3 picks between rds. 2 & 3 ? your thoughts.

After looking at many stories on the NFL draft and details about the Miami Dolphins Roster I have a couple observations I don't think have been brought up before, or at least discussed much. I don't think the Miami Dolphins organization considers the needs that the rest of us see. Here are some assumptions which I think will illustrate where the dolphins will go in the draft.

• First, the dolphins have a lack of playmakers on special teams. They have tried Patrick Cobbs, Nolan Carroll, and many others. Nobody is a playmaker. This will be a draft priority, but can be combined with the needs at RB. For the RBs they consider, they will likely only consider RBs who also are special team returners. Most NFL teams have only backup Running Backs who also contribute on special teams as possible returners. Because Miami's Wide Receivers are not special teams playmakers, the playmakers will have to come from the RBs they draft.
• Second, the Dolphins believe in running the ball to set up the pass. Their philosophy in reviewing the last year off tapes is likely that: Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown were ineffective, and therefore Brandon Marshall and the other wide receivers and Tight Ends were blanketed and rendered the big plays impotent. This prioritizes RB over WR, as long as they feel the WR talent they have is sufficient. However, there are 14-16 starting quality RBs who can be had throughout the whole draft. Expect Miami to double dip in the later rounds.
• Third, due to the ineffectiveness of the running backs, the lack of depth at TE, the constant shifting of the starters on the Offensive Line, the on and off again use of the Wildcat attack, and (As much as it won't be admitted openly) the playcalling of Dan Henning, Chad Henne has not been given enough of a chance to illustrate his effectiveness. In their minds, they see the boom boom pow wins against the Jets two years ago and the Packers this last year, as well as how close other games were, and see a quarterback who sometimes lacks passion, but also was given a bad hand without the support system necessary to fairly succeed.
• Fourth, I don't think the Dolphins see much of a need at WR. Marshall and Hartline can both go deep, both are playmakers, and Marshall is working on his speed this offseason as well (Likely directed by the Dolphins before the offseason started). Not only that, but they have Marlon Moore, Julius Pruitt, and Roberto Wallace who all have the speed to develop into a deep threat. The organization also feels like the lack of a seam threat at TE is what limited Miami's WR effectiveness, not talent. They will keep their minds open to WRs with return ability and speed, but only if greater priorities are unavailable at the pick.
• Fifth, I think the Dolphins recognize some weaknesses in their Offensive Line, but maybe differently than most people think. They don't need Tackles, they need a backup Tackle. Lydon Murtha is not good enough to replace Long or Carey effectively. Carey is getting older and can't be expected to play the entire year anymore. Nate garner can play backup OT, and do it well, as long as he is completely recovered from injury. Also, I don't think the Dolphins see a lack of talent at the Guard position. They have Incognito, John Jerry, and Nate Garner. They don't need Guards, they need a true starting Center.

How do these assumptions effect the draft. Here's how I think it plays out.

• Here's what I think they consider their primary needs:
o Two RBs who complement each other's style, can be special teams return men, and will compete with Hilliard and Sheets for starting RB.
o Center
o Seam-Threat TE
o Guard
o WR with speed, return ability (Randall Cobb, Jernigan, Edmund Gates)
• Here's what I think they consider their luxury picks if someone drops far enough:
o Pass Rushing OLB
o ILB (But only if an upgrade over Crowder, Dobbins, and Edds)
o NT (Give a year to grow behind Solial, and replace their departing DE/DT)
o FB (Polite drop-off)
• The two early round quarterbacks they see as being NFL ready and would be willing to take this year are Blaine Gabbert and Cam Newton...nobody else. If they can't trade up to nine to get one of those (And I don't believe they would trade any more of this year's picks. Most likely they would trade a 2nd or 3rd from next year. Dallas could get the same OT, or Harris at CB at 15 same as 9 ) then they will not draft any QB until rounds 6-7. Mallett is only a possibility if they trade back to the end of the first or middle of the second and nobody else is there they want.
• At 15, they try to trade down. If they can't, then they target the biggest piece they are missing. There are no true starting centers out there worth the 15th pick. Pouncey is a Guard, not a Center. Miami can effectively double dip in the later rounds to find a diamond at the Center position, and get a top Guard in free agency, so why waste the pick. Incognito is not proven at Center, but he can compete with some late round picks or free agency pickup. I believe if they can't trade down they target Robert Quinn, Von Miller, or Julio Jones, none of whom should be there. If they are gone and a trade isn't possible, there are no great options at Guard or RB here. None of the DEs look convertible here. Aldon Smith, Ryan Kerrigan, Da'Quan Bowers, Cameron Jordan and J.J. Watt are pure Defensive Ends or Non-physical-Freak Tweeners, not straight OLBs. Honestly, the best option for them is to take TE Kyle Rudolph and solidify their TE position. The TEs are thin this year, while OL and RB are deep. Rudolph has been rising up the draft boards recently and would fill a great need without compromising on blocking ability. Rudolph would open up Marshall, Hartline, and Bess more while allowing Fasano to excel at his specialty of blocking and short area passes. Also, it adds another pass catching threat which will free up the RBs from eight in the box defenses. With Fasano, Rudolph, and Epps (Development TE) at TE the dolphins would be a much better offense and increase the effectiveness of the WRs and RBs, and, most especially, Chad Henne.
• If they trade down, they will likely target Rudolph (TE), Mark Ingram (RB, who would be worth the value in the end of 1st), or Martez Wilson (ILB). Still no Centers worth it here, and Torrey Smith isn't appreciably better than Marlon Moore as a speed wideout. OLB is a possibility, but Sheard and Houston are not value picks here.
• I expect in the second round they will target a value at RB (Leshoure, Williams), ILB (Mason, Wilson), WR (Randall Cobb, Jernigan), or OLB, depending on who they picked in the first.
• In the 3rd-6th round, who is the value to target? The best ILBs are gone, the rest offer no upgrade value over Crowder or Dobbins. The value is in the RB/Returner positions, Developmental TEs (Virgil Green, D.J. Williams, Housler), injury downgraded CBs (Ras-I Dowling), and Center/Guard prospects.
• My guess in the picks the Dolphins end up with:
o Either Rudolph, Jones (WR), or Quinn in the first or two flyers on TEs in the middle late rounds to find a seam threat.
o Either Martez Wilson or Mason at ILB, or stick with Crowder
o Either Cobb, Gates, Titus Young, or Julio Jones at WR, or a flyer in the later rounds on Aldrick Robinson or another similar return-man WR to find our version of Darren Sproles.
o Two center prospects with Guard experience. They compete with Incognito for Center, and the losers provide OL depth.
o A flyer on a developmental Tackle with a higher Ceiling than Murtha. He is big but foot speed and talent trump that.
o Two complimentary RBs with at least one of them being a special teams returner. I would picture Bilal Powell in the 3rd, Dion, or Johnny White in the 4th. Possibly Leshoure or Williams in the 2nd if one drops to a spot we trade into.
o A late FB selection, or a top undrafted FA to compete with Lousaka.
o A NT to groom behind Solial. Kenrick Ellis or Marvin Austin are probably gone too early, but finding a prototypical size NT with upside (e.g. Ratliff in Dallas) is possible in the late rounds.
o Possibly a roll of the dice on a QB prospect in the 6th to create some QB competition (In Name only) for Henne.
o One OLB will likely be taken, not only to push Koa Misi a little, but to replace Quentin Moses, who has now been on the roster for 3 seasons and done little to earn a fourth.
o Whatever key positions Miami didn't get will be filled in free agency. Likely an offensive lineman or a two, a pass rusher, and maybe a veteran QB.

fin4life,

I like the idea of your double trade down scenario. Who wouldn't?

However, I don't believe for one second that Mallet will still be there. Since the combine I'm sure he's been working with some great PR types. He's being coached up to do and say all the right things. Some teams brain trust will buy into it or figure they got him figured out.

I'm going to go out on a limb abd say that I think Mallet will be off the board before Ingram.

Damn Jason!

I got about halfway through your post and had to stop off for coffee and donuts!

Jason,

I`ve never read any of your posts before but DAMN!! I gotta hand it to you I read thru the whole thing and you touch off on some really good points in multiple scenario`s, so once again DAMN!!! You should submitt that puppy for publication !!

odin,

How you doing today my friend, I hear you on Mallet but there is always the possability of teams playing possum with there potential draft day moves, you never really now until it actually plays out that`s why it`s become must see TV for the hardcore fan. Even if Mallet is gone I think we can make the double swith if S.D. is a willing partner, how about Jason huhh, damn!!!!

Fin4life,

Might I suggest an energy drink and a careful drive home today?

Fin4life,

You know me, I'm not saying I know anything more than anybody else.

It's just another of my "useless predictions"-LOL.

I think the overblown "issues" with Mallet are somewhat of a smokescreen. I'd be willing to bet there's more than one team ready to pull the trigger if given the opportunity.

That double trade down is something I've dreamed of, but didn't have the guts to post. It would change up a lot of things!

odin,

Thanks buddy, if you notice there`s a 1 hour lapse between my posts, I`m already home said I was under the weather just hate doing that because then when your really sick you gotta wing it, plus when my wife gets home with the kids after school I`ll have to deal with her sermon about my time on the blogg, which has now officially become my crack !

odin,

Your one of the best posting info. on here and your knowledge is unquestioned friend. The logic is sound I`ve heard the rumors as well, he could go anywhere from Tenn. at 8 to Min. at 12 and you can never forget Wash. at 10 given Shanahan hever saw a big arm he didn`t like.

The trade down is something that is not out of question if and only if the original partner is S.D. because it`s 3 spots to 18 and if Kerrigan and Pouncey are still on the board I can see a team at the bottom of rd.1 getting the itch.

By the way, I`ll tell you partner I`d love to sit round table with you, Rob,0x80,Derek4, Darryl, DB, DC, redsky and Aloco to drive everybody just a little batty and have at it with a few bottles round table football speak.

Trading down can land us Hankerson @ WR & Demarco Murry @ RB. Go Fins!

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