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Live draft blog begins here, now

Day Two of the draft is about to begin and two questions dominate:

Will the Dolphins trade into the second round?

As to getting into the second round, I have serious doubts the Dolphins will use their limited ammo to get into the round. That is obviously just a prediction, but I have a hard time believing Miami will invest the kind of capital necessary to come from nowhere to the the second.

That would require the Dolphins giving up their 2012 first round pick.

If the idea is for them to use their third round pick to try to move up into the second round, they still would have to yield either their fourth-round selection or perhaps the third rounder plus a high pick next year. Again, that is a prohibitive price.

I'm not saying the Dolphins would never pay such a price but ...

“I think you can always get ammunition," Ireland said yesterday abou tthe prospects of moving up. "I mean, look what Atlanta did. You always have ammunition I think. You can use your picks up until 2014 if you wanted to. We had a couple players on the board that if they fell to a certain spot then we might have jumped up, but we didn’t choose to do that.”

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I knew Mallet would be a 3rd rd pick

Pouncey, you said yourself you didnt like the fact that we burned 4 picks on Pouncey and Thomas. 4 picks! Thats correct. We got 2 players for 4 picks. That means we're down 2 picks.

And your cupcake analogy is wrong. It did not cost you $3 for the cupcake. You still paid only $1. The person who gave it to you collected $1. That means it cost $1. You gave away the other $2. Buts thats neither here nor there, it was an ill conceived analogy.

Last time: We started the draft with 8 picks. Barring any more trades, we will end up with 6 players. That means the trade cost us 2 players

I feel like I'm losing IQ points explaining this. i gotta go. Later boys....

DB,

I know your a Mallet guy but I think he went to the best situation for him. He'll have time to develop behind Brady.

The Dolphins don't have the luxury of time for him to develop. You would think they must have a veteran on their radar.

I'm just afaid that veteran is Henne...

OK, time to put the math to rest.
Dying; let's start with your premise. Assume that we had the number 1 pick and swapped it with the number 2 pick for Joe Blow. What did Joe Blow cost? 1 pick or 2. It is even.

The issue here is the differentiation between expending a draft pick where we actually get something (a one for one swap) and expending a draft pick or picks where we get nothing in return (an empty exchange). If we swap 1 and 2 for Joe Blow, we got an even exchange. If we give an extra pick or picks we now expended an additional cost which we get nothing material for.

As to Pouncey's premise, we took the 2nd round pick, which we didn;t have, for a third. That is an even exchange because we got something for the pick. Had the transaction stopped there, we simply had a swap. We didn't pick 3rd, we picked 2nd instead. That would incur a cost no matter what, that is why it is a draft. Whatever we give away without getting anything in return, is an empty exchange and we forego getting an asset, in this case football players.

So, yes, if the actual selection is included (inclusive) then the argument can be made that a swap plus two picks cost three picks. If the actual material pick is mutually exclusive of the additional picks given to sweeten a deal, then the cost is only two picks.

I think Pouncey is looking at it from an inclusive perspective while others are looking at it from a mutually exclusive perspective. Based on this, I find that both arguments can be made depending on how you look at the transactions.

And who said that sports and math don't go together.

MEDIATOR,

THATS WHY I KEPT TELLING THEM THEY BOTH WERE RIGHT! LOL...........

It was a fun dicussion to observe and an excellent example of how to look at things from multiple perspectives.

I've figured out the problem. Pouncey is looking at it as though the Redskins drafted Thomas and then we gave them 3 picks for him. But thats not how it works. There were no actual people traded, just the picks.

Doesnt change the fact its still a net loss of 2 picks

Armando has been saying that Dolphins will add a QB in the draft and in free ageny. Maybe it will be McElroy if he last to the 6th.

Try and keep up Garbage...lol.

LORD HAVE MERCY PEOPLE,WE GAVE A 5TH & 7TH TO MOVE UP FROM 3RD RD TO 2ND RD.THERE IS NOT TWO WAYS TO LOOK AT IT.BARRING ANY MORE TRADES,WE WILL HAVE 6 PLAYERS FROM THE DRAFT WHERE B4 THE TRADE WE WOULD HAVE HAD 8 PLAYERS.WE GAVE UP A 5TH RD PLAYER & A 7TH RD PLAYER WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE EVEN MADE THE TEAM.THOMAS MIGHT BE AN ALL PRO OR BE A BUST. LET THIS PLAY OUT & WE CAN TALK NEXT YR ABOUT WHETHER IT WAS WORTH IT.

Ireland will take Tyrod Taylr out of Virginia Tech as the Phins QB......

HA HA HA HA HA HA

Ireland will never draft a black QB, atleast not to play the QB position for the Dolphins. Get ready for Nathan Enderle, slower than Mallett with a quarter of the arm strength, but he is a nice, clean kid,

What a freaking joke.

we wont draft a qb. we will get one in FA& see if henne flops again then draft one next yr.the rest of the draft is about finding some speed.

Well goodnight fellow Dolfans. Maybe tomorrow is the day of the draft that we'll all agree on the picks and say ALLLRRIGHHHT MIAMI!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8bzZEtOcb8 This is an interesting video of chade henne on you tube when he was at Michigan. The song is priceless. The Dolphins seemed destined to become the Detroit Lions if this keeps up.

Everyone seems to say what the hell its only a 5th round and 7th round pick. Tom Brady was 5th round pick. WTF didnt we pick up Ryan Mallet in the 5 round. That is bad so lets give 3 picks away to pick up a fat slow running back. It sucks but I have to root for the phins to lose every game so these nimrods get fired.


Henne would become the 2nd string QB if McNabb, Young or Palmer are brought in to compete.

Posted by: Swamy | April 29, 2011 at 09:39 PM


Are you high, VY and McNabb got cut because they werent good enough. Sexy Rexy beat out McNabb. He is done, VY is not a good QB, look at his stats for god sakes/ Palmer may have a chance to beat Henne out but he hasnt been the same since blowing his knee out.

STATS
C. Palmer QB rat - 82.4 TD's - 26 INT - 20 YDS - 3970 Comp - 61.8%
D. McNabb QB Rat - 77.1 TD's - 14 INT -15 Yds - 3377 Comp - 58.3%
C. Henne QB Rat - 75.4 TD's - 15 Int - 19 Yds - 3301 Comp - 61.4%
V. Young didnt qualify to have his stats recorded due to not enough playing time (he threw a fit at 20+ years old)

Henne is in his 4th year while McNabb will retire in about 3years. Palmer has about 5-7 left but Henne will only get better. the other 2 have hit their prime and will continue to decline. I would not be opposed to Palmer but I do not want to give up anything hire than a 3rd rd for him and I doubt Cinci will let him go for less than a first. If we get him and he wins out the compitition than ill support him like I support Henne because he is our QB. I just think we need more protection and just experiance for him. Only a handfull of QB's in the HISTORY of the game have been good from their first year or two in the league.

Guess who had better stats 2 years in a row Henne over Sanchez but no one from the Jets are saying they need a new QB because they have the better overall team and make it into the playoffs.


Wow we trade 3 picks to draft another REACH! Thomas probably would have went in the 4th if we didn't trade up to get him. I'm over this draft and won't even pay attention to the rest, since we will pick nothing but losers. Pouncey won't be as good as his brother and we could have traded down to get a second rounder and still gotten him. I'm still a fan but I have NOOOOOOOOOOO confidence that we are even going to close the gap on the Pats and Jets until the leftover Tuna casserole is gone. Ireland does nothing but reach and the team quit on Sporano last year. Wake me up in a couple of years when these clowns are gone.

Posted by: WOOD | April 29, 2011 at


It has been confirmed that Cincy was taking Thomas 4 pics after the Dolphins picked him. He would of been gone at the top of rd 3 if we didnt move and get him. All you draft experts that arent getting paid should STFU and wait and see what he does. Let the kid play and then bash him, and heaven forbid if he doesnt rush for 1500 yds and 20 td's his first year because I know you fagget fans will be like hes a bust.

95% of Dolphin fans = imbred retards.

"Thomas was the 2nd best brusing back in the draft. He is the typical size(230) pounds that this regime likes. He also was an exQB which means he may be able to throw from the wildcat.
It comes as no serprize to me that they drafted him. How many if you have been a Dolphins fan for the last 3 years. If you have you to should not be serprized by the pick."

Posted by: NFLBS | April 29, 2011 at 09:40 PM


OK 2 Things: 1. According to all of Ireland's babbling all offseason, we needed a home run threat, all over the offense, NOT a bruising RB.

2. The Wildcat has been DEAD for 2 years. Why draft a player for an extinct package? Think Pat White!


I don't know where anyone is coming up with these fumbles, but they NEVER happened. ESPN player profiles, RotoWorld, CBS Sports, all of them show the same thing, Thomas had ZERO Fumbles in 2010.

Posted by: bobbyd12 | April 29, 2011 at 09:43 PM

You are so far up this regime's as* if you insist he didn't fumble LOL Every single website shows he fumbled. So to me & allot of people here, all you are is a propagandist talking head for these fools.

Have fun watching a 7-9 season with your prized season tickets LOLOL

Jeff ireland and fat tony fistpump are gone now for sure! they could have drafted a qb mallet or kaepernick and a good skill guy wr randall cobb and a good running back Ingram and who do they pick a o-line man and a average RB again sounds like jimmy johnson all over again cecil the diesel collins , john avery. only good pick was rob the fullback he was a good offensive player johnson did shore up the defense with good cb and safeties and j taylor zach thomas but our offense has sucked since gary stevens was here and shula these guys just don't get it! You need points to win games and a good defense! we have a good defense need secondary help and a good safety to help bell out back there need a great corner like madison and pat surtain and a rover like buckley was dime pakage! well I will bet they really %$#^&* up today it's guarenteed on that! I WILL BET THESE FOOLS PIC A SLOW TIGHT END WHO CANT CATCH AND ANOTHER O-LINEMAN AND NO WR AND FORGET TIWAIN JONES MAKES TOO MUCH SENSE! AND THEY WONT GET A CORNER OR SAFETY AND WILL TRADE LAST 4 PICKS TO TRADE UP AND GET A 7TH ROUNDER! GO FIGURE! THEY WILL DO ANYTHING BUT WHAT SHOULD BE DONE! THEY WILL PROBABLY GIVE UP NEXT YEARS 1-2 ROUND PICKS TO DRAFT SOMEONE FOOLS! MR ROSS PLEASE SELL THE TEAM YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHATS GOING ON THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND! FANS STAY HOME WATCH GAMES ON TV THIS WILL GET THOSE TWO FOOLS FIRED THEY WILL LOSE MONEY AND HAVE NO CHOICE FIST PUMPER GONE BY 8 GAME AND GM TO FOLLOW! I LIVED IN VEGAS ANYONE WANNA BET ON THIS YOU PROBABLY COULD IN VEGAS AFTER A 1-6 HOME STAND AGAIN ! WHY CANT THESE FOOLS MAKE THIS TEAM BETTER ON OFFENSE DRAFT TJ YATES HE HAS SOME POTENTIAL AND A GOOD KR-PR JONES AND ANOTHER WR THAT CAN RUN AFTER T HE CATCH!

THE OFFENSE WAS GOOD WHEN GARY STEVENS WAS HERE TOP 5 EVERY YEAR! IT HAS SUCKED SINCE HE LEFT AND JIMMY JOHNSON WOULDNT LET MARINO CALL PLAYS OR AUDIBLE SOUND FAMILAR!

Looks like the defective difecta have sealed their fait. Bye bye Ireland and Spud. Prediction for 2011-
ANOTHER 8 and 8 season +/- 1
9 and 7
8 and 8
7 and 9

2012 draft- yet another middle of the road draft and the exit of Ireland and Sporano.

Mom says to child "okay we are having pouncey and thomas burritos for dinner tonight." Child says "but I dont like that!" Mom says "but you've never even tried it before." Child says "I dont care, I dont want it"

He fellas....just checking in now. I couldn't be on last night and unable to watch the draft but I checked my phone from where I was and saw the Thomas pick.

Couple of thoughts:

First of all: Kudos to Ireland for moving up and getting back into the second round. I have NO problem with what he gave up, namely a 3rd, 5th and 7th. If you are actually criticizing the move you're a complete idiot! How many fith and seventh round picks ACTUALLY work out and we still have TWO seventh round picks. So I pretty much look at this for a 5th and a 7th. No problem with that.

HOWEVER....I'm not in love with the pick. Thomas was not a guy I want added to the team. I realize we need a back but he is more slow and plodding than anything. Mike Mayock had him as his number two back but I'm not really a fan of this kid. Leshoure was the guy to get and if not then Williams. It obviously wasn't possible to move up with someone to get one of these guys. Congrats to the Lions, I think the got a great back to go with Best. Look out for the Lions next year.

So we needed a back and we got Thomas and that's all there is to it. I think we got a younger version of Brown, with less mileage and that's not bad. Looks like Brown is done with this team. Now....if we can couple this move with a D'Angelo Williams or a Reggie Bush, I think we're onto something...and don't rule that out!!

By the way, I haven't read all the posts yet but what are guys saying about the fact Mallett fell to the third? Are guys eating crow this morning? Not only did GM's not want him in the first, they didn't even want him in the third. Seems like a lot of GMs just took him off their lists. Probably a good landing spot for him. He'll sit for three years behind Brady and if he keeps his nose clean maybe he'll play for the Patriots or maybe he'll be traded. So much for this kid being a 'franchise' QB and for having immediate impact in the league. Probably a good move for Belichik picking this guy in the third. If he has to chop him in a couple of years, no biggie. Better stock up on the offensive line now Bill!!

DB and I were talking yesterday about the Pats going heavy after Andrew Luck if the Panthers finish dead last again. Does the Mallett move preclude them from dealing for Luck? I don't think it does. Luck has a much brighter future than Mallett and is a FAR better quarterback prospect. It will be interesting to see what happens to Mallett if they draft Luck. I wouldn't be surprised to see Mallett out of the league in 3-4 years but let's watch and see.

I'm predicting Virgil Green or DJ Williams in the 4th but I'm curious if anyone would give up a third next year to move into the 4th this year so we could pick Ricki Stanzi? If not, are you guys comfortable with QB project Greg McElroy in the 5th or 6th?

By the way....kudos to Armando for hitting on the first two picks of the Dolphins. Armando, if you hit on DJ Williams in the fourth I'm going ask you for some lottery numbers today...LOL.

"By the way, I haven't read all the posts yet but what are guys saying about the fact Mallett fell to the third? Are guys eating crow this morning? Not only did GM's not want him in the first, they didn't even want him in the third. Seems like a lot of GMs just took him off their lists."

Craig, why don't you eat crow? Weren't you spewing nonsense in here yesterday that Belicheck doesn't take low character guys? Doesn't draft guys like Mallet? Didn't he just draft him? I don't expect you to eat your own words, you'd be eating awhile.

Not only did he draft Mallet, didn't he trade for Randy Moss? Didn't he sign for or trade for Coredy Dillon?

Those were NOT high character guys!

Also, Mallet's character concerns are what slid him to the 3rd, not his talent. Ask any of the pundits & they'll tell you the same thing. Stop with your "I knew it & you were all wrong" schtick. It's adoloescent & futile.

Everyone agrees he has 1st round talent. You are either completely clueless, believe your own press or you're in complete denail otherwise. Most, except you, think that way which puts you in the minority. Stop acting or thinking you knew or know more than anyone else.

For one simple reason, you don't.

Carson Palmer makes our draft picks A+'s!!

Mojo's Wish List: 6th RD

Virgil Green
Da'Rel Scott
Noel Devine
Jordan Todman
Aldrick Robinson


WTF? A FB? We want speed. They pass on...

Virgil Green
Da'Rel Scott
Noel Devine
Jordan Todman
Aldrick Robinson

AAAAGGGGHHHHHHHH!

Still holding out for:

Da'Rel Scott
Noel Devine

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