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RBs on the mind, in meetings, in the later rounds

The Dolphins are conducting meetings with players at their facility next week, with several players already scheduled to fly in Monday for Tuesday visits.

Count Illinois running back Mikel Leshoure prominently among the players the Dolphins will be meeting with soon. The team is looking for replacements for either Ronnie Brown or Ricky Williams or both and Leshoure's performance last season -- 1,697 rushing yards and 17 TDs -- suggest he's as solid a possibility as anyone.

So what should the Dolphins look for when they search for a running back?

They need to find a guy who can square his shoulders and get up field quickly. They should find someone who can absorb hits with some sort of subtlety to where it seems as if defenders are always just missing. This is important because backs that take full-on hits all the time don't last very long or get hurt a lot. Quickness is a trait you want from a running back, one that is more important than speed, quite frankly.

You probably think I'm crazy for typing that last sentence, right? After all, look at Chris Johnson. The man is a lightning bolt and that speed is intoxicating. Yes, but Johnson is also quick. Speed on it own gives you a track man. NFL teams want football players.

Speed is not so valuable in the absence of instinct.

Consider that Ronnie Brown came out of Auburn and to Miami as the No. 2 overall selectionin 2005. He ran a 4.4 in the 40 at the Indianapolis Combine. But how many 70 yard touchdown runs has that led to with the Dolphins?

Meanwhile, a guy such as Emmitt Smith could barely crack 4.6 in the 40-yard dash. And yes, he ran behind a dominant offensive line. But when he got past the second level, I don't rightly recall him getting caught from behind by cornerbacks or safeties that could run much faster. He had quickness. He had instincts. It's important.

One player that I had not heard about until this week was brought to my attention by a great personnel man I sometimes converse with and always respect. Check out Maryland running back Da'Rel Scott.

He's 5-11 and 211 pounds. His stats at Maryland as a junior were good but not great. He gained 708 yards. He's projected to be a 5th or 6th round pick. But this personnel man really likes Scott. Says he had very nice quickness to go with his 4.4 speed.

And, of course, he gets square quickly.

Look, I don't claim to be a draft guru. Frankly anyone in the media that claims to be a draft guru without actually having NFL experience is something of a poser. But what I do is talk to people who are legitimate personnel people, who have been in draft rooms and have true expertise and experience.

Those guys actually picked players. And I, in turn, pick their brains and pass along to you as much information as they allow me to do. Scott is a guy that has been suggested to me as a value pick in the fifth or sixth round but perhaps someone takes him a bit sooner.

We'll see how it turns out.

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Trade down

Take Jernigan Hankersin or Randall Cobb and the best QB
Sign a FA RB and take 2/3 of these in the mid to later rounds

Shane Vereen
Alan Bradford
Quizz Rodgers/Bilal Powell/Derrick Locke
Da rel Scott
Steven Ridley
Taiwan Jones
Alex Green
Roy Helu
Johnny White
Brandon Saine
Damien Berry
Kealoha Pilares

One thing telling from your post is the type of running back that will fit our style. Notice Armando said a guy that can square his shoulders, and get up the field. Not a guy that looks to make a cut, then find the crease. This is why I don't understand why Ingram is a guy we would be interested in. Take nothing away from Ingram. But in our system, his running style is going to make for a lot of short to minus runs. He would be better off in a zone scheme. Where he could be patient. Find the seem, then get up field.

I think when scouting running backs, we should really be looking at guys that do not rely on the cutback lanes for daylight. This is made obvious by Armandos earlier statement. Now unless we are planning on totaly re-shaping the line, and using a zone technique. I would scratch these runners off the board.

The suspense is killer. Glad yyou are on top of these things Mando. Especially glad to get off the QB debate for the moment. Addressing another important need is worth a new round of debate.

Thanks

Dying..@12:12 From the last Page. I agree 100% about Luck. I know there is no such thing as Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny or a sure thing at quarterback. But if Luck would have come out this year. He would have the highest grade for a quarterback since Elway. Not saying he is going to be Elway. But that is an impressive grade non the less.

A guy that looked really good in limited roles was Florida Gators rb Emmanuel Moody. He also is rated to go anywhere from 6th rd to ufa.

We have an extra 7th rd pick(compensatory). If this guy isnt taken by our last 7th rd pick, we've gotta give him a looksee. This guy had a few long breakout td runs in his limited role at Florida and could be a pretty good change of pace speed back for us.

DD,

Had Luck come out this season, it would be near consensus here to trade up with all out fervor! LOL........

did odrick really retire????????????

...Callin' it a night fellas. Have a good one.

I would trade our entire 2012 draft and half the current team for Andrew Luck. My only untouchable would be Jake Long and Brandon Marshall. He has to have his back protected and a pro bowl calibre wr to throw to.

Everyone else they could have the pick of the litter on. Luck, Long, and Marshall would be the foundation on which my new look dolphins will be built upon. Dont care if it takes 3-4 yrs to rise back to respectability! LOL.........

What are you talking about jewboy?

theres a post on phinheaven odrick accepted a coaching job with penn state and retired from the nfl.

odrick screwed the organization and left egg on ireland and parcells faces and now miami lost a 1st rounder too, godell we need compensation 1st rounder in 2012

frickin' good one. they had me good. best one yet. i have never been so pissed in my life.

DB,

A few points about your Luck scenario.

1. You're going against what you've been preaching the last few nights, namely giving up future drafts picks. I realize Luck is a special talent. I'll agree with you there. But if you're going to make a steadfast rule of not giving up future picks, you need to stick to it, otherwise you're wavering.

2. No team is going to give up the chance to pick Luck. If he's what we all think he is (and I think he is), no one is going to give that up. You can trade you're whole draft and next year's first too, a team is going to look awfully foolish if they give this guy up.

3. Can we at least let the year play out before we go too crazy on this guy. I believe in this guy, like you believe in this guy but there were an awful lot of people last year who thought the earth, the stars and the moon of Jake Locker last year and we're just not hearing anything close to that about this guy this year. A lot can happen in a year. Let's see how the kid looks after he's played another year before we go ga-ga over him.

i'm still pissed nobody read my vy quizz on the last mando blog.

dm1dolphan,

I read it and got most correct.

check out jared odrick and its a damn shame
dude retired

http://tinsfins.blogspot.com/2010/04/new-dolphin-jared-odrick-dl.html

Odrick is an april fools joke!!!

craig,
you're in the minority, i guess. so, why would we want to pick him up? doesn't make any sense.

zmastiff,
no, it was an excellent april fool's joke!!!

charlie casserly is reporting that based on conversations with people around the league that mark ingram's draft stock is falling. he may end up falling into the late first round by the time everything is over.

dm1dolphan,

I agree on VY, but I also think there are worse options.

craig,
yeah, like mcnabb.

Had me fooled bad. The last thing this organization needs is odrick retiring. Hopefully jared can stay healthy next season and pay dividends . I really think he is a great athlete and will be a probowler.

everyone has a man crush on a player. mine is for greg little. love the guy. pick him. just do it. on draft day i will be sending ireland messages all day to pick this guy.

tarence,
we need odrick to play defense for us. now you want him to go on the pro bolwer's tour. make up your mind man. lol.

As for rbs leshoure is the best rb in this draft. Hope miami trades out of #15 gets extra picks and still gets to nabb leshoure. If an elite player slips to #15 I would not trade out unless its a real good compensation. I have a feeling this might happen maybe robert quinn or bowers.

Having robert quinn misi dansby and wake wow that's a very big upgrade from couple years ago. Maybe one of the best lb groups in the league

is quinn projected as a linebacker or a defensive end? i thought it was as a defensive end? he is 6'4' 265. i thought they would be looking to add on some size so he can play end.

D.B. Sorry for the lag but I was watching 8 Mile.
One final reply to you from the last blog.It wouldn`t bother me if we didn`t take a QB in the second and took Stanzi in the fourth, although I think he`ll be there in the fifth. That would allow us to take a quality player like Titus Young with the Mallet/Ponder pick.
My prime idea was to trade down twice and get 2 second and third round picks. Hopefully they all pan out and we move quickly forward.
BTW I personally would take Owen Marecic, FB/ILB, Stanford as my fourth to block and be a special team ace. i think thats value.

Guess Chad P. could never be a stunt man! Thanks for the AFC East memories #10

lol

robert Quinn falling to 15? doibt it but Yea grab him quick real quick

Casserly saying he is getting feedback can just as easily be smokescreen, him doing a favor for someone to help Ingram fall. It's as common as rain believe it or not.

Geez, I see some here posting, "iffy, behind the scenes" scenerios that are delusional.

I just can't see how anyone can pre-post and then post-post an idea that involves multiple teams, and multiple trades and still wind up with all the players you set out to aquire when designing the cockamania scheme.

And move "quickly" on top of it all?

Jeremy, try sticking with a draft scenerio that is more realistic with the limited options you know that are available.

Tinkering with that is one thing. Expecting several teams, players, their agents, the undrafted, and the ilk to come running to your dinner bell is another.

Good post

We just need backs. I would like an AP, who makes the whole team better except for the has been qb. ( I won't say his name because he might come calling on South Florida for a job)

Ronnie has been ok, I think that Ricky is done. One more year. Even yoga students get old.

So Mr Ireland, think of how you are going to surprise me this year with an 1800 yard back.

Ireland are you listening?, I see you know the University of Hawaii team pretty well. I like the Alex Green selection. He will be a big time steal. I am not sure if there is room for Pilares though. Pilares is more of a slot WR and that position is currently occupied by Bess. Although Pilares did run a 4.4 at UH's pro day.

lol thanks jewboy.

Big names always drop in the draft. Small names always rise!!!

Hey what does everyone think of Casey Mathews???

No doubt, Armando. For me, Barry Sanders is the prototype of player you are talking about.(now that I think about it, there are not too many Barrys running around; another Emmitt Smith would do).

Have to be on our toes Today, don't we?

CINN LOOKING DEEP AND HARD TO DRAFT MARK INGRAM OR LESHOURE AT PICK NO 4 .. JAY GRUDEN THEIR OC WANTS A RB IN THE COMING DRAFT .

A post after my own heart. That's what I'm talking about. Let's find a RB that won't be caught from behind. I'm not too sure Ingram is that back. Let's find our RB where teams USUALLY find good RBs (in the later rounds). Bless your heart Mando, you've done your country proud with this blog!

leshour NUMBERS IN 2010 ARE WAY BETTER THAN INGRAM 2009 NUMBERD BEFORE HIS INJURY ISSUES PLUS LESHOURE IS YOUNGER .

DC, do you want another John Avery? How many really big runs do any of the great backs make per season? Better to have a core guy who can wear on defenses late in games, work the clock when necessary, then bring in a speedster to compliment him. It's an old argument here I know. None of the faster backs than Ingram in this draft are going to block a mosquito.

ARMANDO:

WHO DOES MARYLAND PLAY THAT'S WORTH TALKING ABOUT.

YOU HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN TALKING ABOUT PLAYERS AND THIER PROJECTIONS

Ricky or Ronnie will go to the Patriots and tear us up, lets face it, our system is no good for anyone on the offense, Billicheat will find a way to use them effectively. oh by the way, Pats have 8 picks in the first four rounds, they have the most flexibility, and they do a great job in drafting, I might as well cancel my NFL Ticket, watching Miami last year was so disappointing!

Ideally, sign ronnie, he can still be a bruiser back that was a great knack of running the O.

Trade back draft Leshoure to compliment Ronnie. No way Leshoure makes it through the year as a feature back. Still to small, needs a little more bulk I think.

Sign Michael Bush as security. RB situation is set.

Henne hopefully will show us all he is a good starter, get a solid free agent to compete with him

Spend more money on the O-line and depth for the oline, with a little sprinkles into the D.

BOOM! We have a winner.... ummm...oh wait...

We need coaching to get better don't we?

Ok, there goes that plan...

0x80, ronnie brown is 6'0" 230 lbs and he has had durability issues. how is a guy that is 5'9" 215 going to wear down the defense late in the game?

DMDOLPHAN,

B/C INGRAM IS YOUNG,HUNGRY AND NOT RICH AND R.BROWN IS HANDSOME,RICH AND NOT HUNGRY .

Whats Ronnie got to do with Ingram? Ronnie like you said has been injured most of his career. We all know its a guessing game, the scouting reports say Ingram gets tougher as the game wears on, he gets most of his yards AFTER contact. Hes a tough kid. Really don't know why you are so high on Dion, he is projected to go 6th (project player) for a reason. And then what is your alternative for our running game?The bigger backs are slower than Ingram, those little guys are not going to be everydown backs. Personally I don't like the FA options.

ALERT,

BILL BARCELL IS BACK WITH DOLPHINS,HE WAS SEEN AT OFFICE TODAY WITH JEFF IRELAND .HE JUST SAID,HE WOULD DO ALL HE CAN TO HAVE A GOOD DRAFT .

FIU FOOTBALL SPRING GAME TOMORROW

FIU STADIUM 4/2 @10:30am

BRUNCH PROVIDED BY ALUMNI ASSOCIATION

MEET THE PLAYERS & COACHING STAFF

CONFERENCE CHAMPS / RING CEREMONY

HIGHLIGHTS FROM HISTORIC 2010:

PART I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v18P52RCKqA&feature=related

PART II/BOWL GAME
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMgBYs-SZ3o&NR=1


Justin Credible,
You are an idiot sir, who does Maryland play??? LOL They play in the ACC, which plays all the conferences including their own. Who do they play? LMAO

0x, ingram isn't an every down back either. he is TOO small to be one. what ronnie brown has to do with ingram is the fact that he is a bigger back who had durability issues in this league. ingram is smaller. do you think he can take the punishment being an every down back? i don't. you want to use him as an every down back, fine. give him three years and he will be 5'6".

To me Ingram represents 3 yards and a cloud of dust on 90% of his runs.
I've seen that movie before and it sucks.
We need a back that can turn the corner and get to the next level quickly.
There appears to be PLENTY of RB's in this draft class who can turn-n-burn...just hope Ireland has his thinking cap on for draft day.

TO NOTE, MARK INGRAM DOESN'T DANCE OR LESHOURE .

dm1,who says Ingram isn't an everydown back? Just because a bigger guy had durability issues does that mean anyone smaller than him can't be an every down back? Hardly. He's onlyh 3 lbs lighter than AP, lower center of gravity too.

McFaddedn 6-2, 205
Jones-Drew 5-8 205
Reggie Bush 6-0 200
Adrian Peterson 6-2 218
Ingram 5-10 215

Mark Ingram is an every down back, easily the most versatile back in this draft.

Did someone really ask who does Maryland play?

1. They are in the ACC.
2. Google. Try it. It's good.
3. Maryland isn't Maryland Eastern Shorre.
4. Kill yourself.

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