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RBs on the mind, in meetings, in the later rounds

The Dolphins are conducting meetings with players at their facility next week, with several players already scheduled to fly in Monday for Tuesday visits.

Count Illinois running back Mikel Leshoure prominently among the players the Dolphins will be meeting with soon. The team is looking for replacements for either Ronnie Brown or Ricky Williams or both and Leshoure's performance last season -- 1,697 rushing yards and 17 TDs -- suggest he's as solid a possibility as anyone.

So what should the Dolphins look for when they search for a running back?

They need to find a guy who can square his shoulders and get up field quickly. They should find someone who can absorb hits with some sort of subtlety to where it seems as if defenders are always just missing. This is important because backs that take full-on hits all the time don't last very long or get hurt a lot. Quickness is a trait you want from a running back, one that is more important than speed, quite frankly.

You probably think I'm crazy for typing that last sentence, right? After all, look at Chris Johnson. The man is a lightning bolt and that speed is intoxicating. Yes, but Johnson is also quick. Speed on it own gives you a track man. NFL teams want football players.

Speed is not so valuable in the absence of instinct.

Consider that Ronnie Brown came out of Auburn and to Miami as the No. 2 overall selectionin 2005. He ran a 4.4 in the 40 at the Indianapolis Combine. But how many 70 yard touchdown runs has that led to with the Dolphins?

Meanwhile, a guy such as Emmitt Smith could barely crack 4.6 in the 40-yard dash. And yes, he ran behind a dominant offensive line. But when he got past the second level, I don't rightly recall him getting caught from behind by cornerbacks or safeties that could run much faster. He had quickness. He had instincts. It's important.

One player that I had not heard about until this week was brought to my attention by a great personnel man I sometimes converse with and always respect. Check out Maryland running back Da'Rel Scott.

He's 5-11 and 211 pounds. His stats at Maryland as a junior were good but not great. He gained 708 yards. He's projected to be a 5th or 6th round pick. But this personnel man really likes Scott. Says he had very nice quickness to go with his 4.4 speed.

And, of course, he gets square quickly.

Look, I don't claim to be a draft guru. Frankly anyone in the media that claims to be a draft guru without actually having NFL experience is something of a poser. But what I do is talk to people who are legitimate personnel people, who have been in draft rooms and have true expertise and experience.

Those guys actually picked players. And I, in turn, pick their brains and pass along to you as much information as they allow me to do. Scott is a guy that has been suggested to me as a value pick in the fifth or sixth round but perhaps someone takes him a bit sooner.

We'll see how it turns out.

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DD,

I wonder what would have happened had Mark Ingram played for Montana instead on Hilliard?

Im inclined to believe Ingram would have average 2,000 rushing yards per season. But what would have happened had Lex Hilliard went to the SEC? Iminclined to believe we would have never heard of him and he would never be on our team right now. LOL..........

DD, It wasn't me that said Lex couldn't play, it was our coaching staff that drafted him and then waived him. I don't see Ingram getting waived.

you know, i like misi. i really do. he was definitely a bright spot on our team last year. but, i'm telling you, in no uncertain terms, if we are stuck at #15 and the top guys go as projected and smith is sitting there for us don't be surprised if ireland pulls the trigger. he's young, quick and immediately makes the entire defense better. there is definitely one guy who would cheer the pick and that would be cam wake.

0x80,

These guys here would rather say and then not say Misi's a bust by advocating takingn Smith or Quinn at #15. Then claim not to be circle jerking(oops, know Im gonna get in lots of trouble for this statement, lol) themselves.

Then DD, list stats to actually try and equate Lex Hilliard into the same honorable breath as Ingram. LOL................

This s*hit is really turning the ridiculous totally on its head! LOL........


Czar Nicolas is an example of a guy who has played alto saxophone in the pros and College. The idea is not far-fetched.

What this is really about is Ernest Borgnine has a soft-spot for pancake batter and it would mean bye-bye rural Finland. He twists our ponytails and says we're claiming Old Gussie is a bust, where no one except the ghost of Theodore Roosevelt has said anything of the kind. If this makes our toothpaste better, I'm all for it. I won't miss old detergent!!

Posted by: Craig M | April 01, 2011 at 02:49 PM
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I concur, sir!

Im not here for guys to like what I say and Im sure most of you are of the same. Still no matter who says it, ridiculous is still ridiculous! LOL...............

Dying...I'm just making a point for my guy. I have conceded that Had Lex not gone to Montana I wouldn't give a hoot. BUT. He did, and I know what he can do. All I was pointing out is that he and Ingram have very similar numbers. They have identical bursts. Obviously we can only assume how their carrers would have played out had they switched roles. I would say Lex would have been fine. You will probably laugh and say no way. That is fine.

I hope that you guys would want me to be right about Lex. If it some vendetta now because you guys are sick of hearing me spout about him. I totaly get it. but wouldn't it be a bonus for the Phins if Lex could turn into the player I believe he can be? If he doesn't go ahead and let me hear it. I can admit when I'm wrong. We can have the Darryl Dunphy is a Baffoon day, and I will apoligize to all that I have wronged with my opinion.

dm1dolphan, I'm with you on your above post. I have no problem with Ireland doing any of that, as long as he has a plan to improve the offence and the running game.

DD, your point was well made. Like other positions out there, you dont want your GM putting blinders on and just going with everyone's 'consenus' number one running back. I think this is what the previous regime did when they grabbed Ted Ginn. If they'd projected properly they would have seen that Bowe would have been a better pro. Do your due dilligence, have some conviction and screw what the fans think. Take who you think will have the best career, even if he's listed in the second round. We don't have a second round pick, so he's off the hook.

DD, did Lex play any full back? Just wondering if he might be useful there. We currently don't have a full back either!

We lose 4 backs in one offseason and are left with one 6th rounder that has already been waived, and some think any old late round back will compensate for the R&R show. Hmm.

Alright fellas. Gotta actually work for a few hours?????????. Perhaps I am loyal to a fault? But my belief is my belief. It's okay to disagree.

Here it comes again...'you don't agree with DB, and your idiot rant'. Twist some words, call some names, try and ridicule....basically everything except argue the case.

All because his boy Channing Crowder will be out on the street soon looking for work...

Still waiting for you to show us where someone said Misi was a bust, DB.......

dm1,

Again, we've just spent a 2ND RD PICK on MISI. There's no guarantee he successfully transitions to the inside. If not it means a TOTALLY BLOWN 2ND RD PICK.

SMITH nor QUINN more unlikely than likely, WILL NOT DOMINATE at SOLB thier ROOKIE season. So if Misi doesnt successfully transition to the inside and thier play is SIMILAR TOO MISI'S ROOKIE PLAY.

WHAT GOOD HAVE WE DONE OURSELVES EXCEPT TO SHOW WE CAN TRASH A 2ND RD PICK LIKE JNO OTHER? GEESH! LOL...................

dm1,

Don't let him faze you.....he gets all wound up when people don't agree with him. If he'd realize it's what's best for the team and not what's best in his world he'd get it. Crowder is useless and the sooner he's gone the better. If this helps the defence, I'm all for it. Your plan is a good one dm1.

CraigM,

I confess you are the most brilliant poster here. Everything you post should be written into national law. So sorry to offend you my lordship. I humbly beg of you to not remove my head! LOL...............

I'm out too guys. DB, go ahead and trash me and throw out some of your comments. It's what you do best when you're not getting your way...

Cheers guys....

CraigM,

I would like to see Crowder replaced by a better player as much as anyone. Until that better player is produced, replacing him with a "project" is like throwing diarhea waste in front of a powerful fan and expect not to get s*hit in your face.

But please forgive me your lordship if I dont agree with your holiness. LOL.........

when you look at hillards bio under "hometown" it says "unkown". reminds me of the old wwf wrestlers, "from parts unkown." you gotta love the school name THE MONTANA GRIZZLIES. makes you think it's a school for lumberjacks.
he had some impressive numbers at the school but the big sky isn't exactly a powerhouse conference. i remember when lewis tillman broke walter payton's career rushing record at jackson state. didn't mean anything. he had 2,383 yds rushing in his 7 yr career and averaged 3.6 yds per carry.

I be a ho coming to Ft. Lauderdale next week. Where some good ho spots? Mai Kai let ho's in?

Im out too. Because I know some here hate when reason meets thier unsubstantiated ramblings. Many wish more to post fairy tales over substantited facts.

I would certainly hate to see some of your christmas wishlists and so does Santa Claus. If you also believe in him too. LOL...........

what the frickin' chicken' licken' is that all about?

I have no problem with Misi's work last year. Did he have a ton of sacks, no. But he was the workhorse (let's get that clear). He did all the dirty work and little things to allow Wake and others to succeed. I was not very happy when we picked Misi (didn't have a clue who he was honestly), but he proved me wrong. I'm totally fine with his work and looking forward to his progression this season.

Craig, sorry about that bud, but that's my opinion. All you guys comparing Cam to VY or worse yet JaMarcus Russell, I'm afraid, are just doing it because they're all black QBs (and you don't know how else to compare black QBs). My Cam Newton comparison is to Big Ben. A big body, good arm, that has a good understanding of the game and can escape pressure very well. If anyone believed Cam was going to be the next Big Ben, people would be falling over themselves to get him. But that's not how it is with a black QB (kind of like no one was willing to give Peyton Hillis his due because he was a white RB).

And Prince, are you kidding me? The only question about this guy is will be be great or amazing. He instantly would make the defense one of the most feared in the league. And what to do with Sean Smith, that's a problem I'd like to have. Use him as a backup, have him cover in the slot in nickel/dime packages, use him like you did this year (when he was going back and forth with Jason Allen). I see nothing wrong with making the defense better if you're getting a stud player like that.

But that's cool if you don't agree. Mine isn't the Word of God, it's just one dope's opinion. This is all fun for us fans, our job's aren't dependent on us making the right call. We're all just doing this so one (or a few) can say "told you so" later when they're proven right. To the winner go the spoils...

DC,

@3:21 pm, absolutely the greatest post of the entire offseason. Great work buddy! LOL.........

DB, truth is you do get pretty offended, or at least act like it when people don't agree. then you start putting people down, either suttle or obvious, and then follow it with LOL all the time.

I am probably opening myself to attack here by you for just posting it. the fact is it is a blog where we "discuss". Discussion many times have two sides of an opinion.

To talk about those sides like adults go a long way. This blog gets all f'd up when the insults start.

I really do enjoy this blog until all the name calling and insults happen.

Anyway, just my 2 cents. Not a personal attack on you DB, just a observation.

I think how the Misi move to ILB talk got started was because the Dolphins were trying to sign a vet OLB...can't think of his name a few months ago.

I do remember some talk about it though and I believe it was either here or the SS.

I disagree with Poizen DB. Since you liked my post, I think you're a very fair-minded and intelligent individual.

Just kidding Poizen. I agree we can disagree without being disagreeable (uh-oh, did I just quote George W. Bush?).

What helped me be considerate to others' opinions fellas was Chad Henne. At the beginning of the year, I was a Henne fan. By the end I was the biggest Henne hater (Poizen you should remember). Now I'm back to being a semi-supporter (I at least want him to do well and I pretty much think he'll be the starter this year and have come to terms accepting that). When I was a huge hater I bashed the other side like nobodies business. But now I see that things change, I don't know everything, and I don't want to blast somebody only to find out they were right in the first place. I guess I'm not conceited in thinking I know more than anyone else. Anyway, that helped me accept others' opinions, cause one day I may have the same opinion.

I can vouch for your Henne hating... LOL... You have always been a stand up guy for your opinions DC. Logical supporting of your thoughts also.

this, in my opinion, is why some teams are mediocre, some are good and a few are great. misi played well for us at the OLB position in 2010. at utah he was and undersized defensive end who projected as and OLB in the nfl more than a defensive end. but, you can't ignore one thing. misi is probably never going to be the dominant outside rusher we need on that side of the line. he plays very well against the run and i have no doubt he will improve this year. but, when you are faced with the possibility of moving him inside to take crowder's place and getting someone like aldon smith to put on the outside it brings a smile to your face if you are a defensive coordinator. personally, i think misi can make the transition to ILB. i think he would do very well. my point is this. if you look at your team and you say "good enough is good enough" you'll never improve. yes, misi played well but faced with the prospect of moving him inside and getting a legitimate pass rushing threat who can also get us some tackles behind the line of scrimmage or just saying "it is good enough to keep him outside and crowder inside" i would pick the first scenario.
this is just my opinion. like i said, i like a good debate. i'm not convinced that we have a better option available at #15 if we can't move out of it.

good to check in and find you all arguing the same old, same old

One new mock draft has us taking Jake Locker.

It always starts out different, but then someone brings up drafting a QB over RB, and.... there we go again

our D has holes our O has even bigger holes and everybnody wants to fix everything in this coming draft, it won`t happen, people are talking Ingram but loose sight of the fact that there will be other drafts !

That is a April FOOOOOOOOL moch draft... Locker @ 15?

fins,
i don't know if i have the stomach for that.

poizen,
yeah, april fools on april 28th

HAHA, pray to god this year will be different.

dm1, I wouldn't hate the Smith pick. See, here's another position I've changed opinions on. If you asked me 3 months ago, I'd of said we'd be crazy to draft defense. But, truth is, if this is a defense-stocked draft class, and the BPA at 15 is a defender, then how can that be a bad decision. Sometimes you gotta take what's given (instead of reaching for something you want). And if we have 2 good pass rushers, that could do wonders for the team (maybe even compensate for the lack of a crushing offense).

I don't know enough about Smith to say whether he'd be a good pick or not, but I'd rather him than Ingram in all honesty (actually, Ingram might be my very last choice of a pick at 15).

Give me a great offensive line and I'll give you a 2000 yard rusher. Ask Shanahan

The mock draft with locker is on Comcast sports.

D. Scott is one of the backs on my wishlist for Draftmas.

http://cdsdraft.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=10170

Guys,

Truth be told, until we become an offense that can put lots of points on the board. Who we have at rb isnt going to make a significant amount of difference anyway.

Until our db's can hold onto to picks, the opposing offense will still have opportunities to keep him on the sidelines. Until we get better longball performance from our #2 wr and a seam threat TE, putting more points on the board is a pipe dream.

Until Chad Henne makes significant improvement over 2010's passing performance. Even if we do get everything needed on offense we'll still struggle.

All in all, we need our db's to hold onto picks and create more turnovers from the defense as a whole. We need higher level of play at #2wr and a seam threat TE. Then we need Chad Henne to not play like Chad Henne of 2010.

That's a very tall order and we need the perfect brew from the perfect storm to make it all happen. Overall, we're still far from an easy fix to become a championship calibre team.

Even if we did everything perfectly this offseason. I still believe we're at least 2yrs away to being a 2nd rd playoff team.

I still dont 100% trust Sean Smith and Vontae Davis to be the consistent superstars we need them to be.

Smith needs to consistently hold onto picks and Vontae needs to stop having lapses in focus against lesser wr talent.

Coming in, Sparano raved of Smith's ball skills. Thus far its been his greatest weakness.

Davis' scouting report weakness was taking plays off. Seem fairly accurate now, seeing how he has his worst coverage games against lesser wr's.

DB, you focus on our internal problems. Pair that now with our external problems and maybe we are even further away.

Here we are scrounging around to trade down for a second while NE has 6 picks to our 2 in the first three rounds. By April 29, Buffalo will have a better QB than us, and they already have a better HC than we do. Then there is Rex and his gang, they ain't going away.

It's not pretty. If they don't nail two sure fire starters in this draft we'll be going backwards before we get going forwards.

prof123, the difference between 25 percent and 20 percent is five percent.

Put another way, on 100 passes, that's 5 extra completions of 15 yards or more. That's 60 yards minimum. If those completions come in one game, you're talking about a field goal at least and possibly a TD. Now consider that most QBs throw 500-600 passes in a season, and you're talking about six field goals difference in a season.

Furthemore, consider Miami lost three of its games by 3 points or less last year and you have the difference between a 7-9 record and 10-6.

So, math professor, kindly process those numbers through your erudite condescending manner. Now I understand why some college kids these days can't do basic math and go right from college to the unemployment rolls.

Dying, that was a pretty good synopsis. It ain't one position (although QB is the main one)...it's always about how the team is managed.

The truth is, every year you see the same teams competing who year in and year out make good decisions and are well managed.

Our bunch makes 'safe' decisions and coach not to lose. It only results in a Dave Wannstedt team. Not the bottom, not the top.

Wow, Mando sighting. Good for you to join us. Do you think both Jones and Green will be gone by 15?

Craig M ALoco, check out what your boy Marino is saying now

Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald writes Dolphins icon Dan Marino would like to trade for Cincinnati Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer -- but only for a third-round draft choice.

you think he is just keeping it political??
one minute rooting for henne to be the starter and then this lol

armando,

please keep us posted with leshoure's workout details

thanks

Damn Mando, gone already?

Mando, I'm proud of you!

I'm at the Marlins Opening Night, guys. I'm working!

you are blessed mando to call that work

I am blessed. I'm siting right behind home plate in the best seat in the press box.

Of course, I could be more blessed if it was the Yankees playing.

Good Evening Folks, What's new in Phinland???

silliest one yet; draftsite.com has miami takin brandon harris at #15.

Mando, I grew up in NYC, I've got contacts up there let's go catch a Yankees game...my favorite team!

Same as always Cuban. People arguing over the draft. Gotta say, the SS article has made me take a 2nd look at Malett. Yeah, good arm, poor footwork but good accuracy. Not afraid to take chances. Guess that means they won't ake him.

Tony wants safe, check down and this kid ain't that.

Tony Wants a FG kicker...IMHO...

Mando, Will the Marlins Let Josh Johnson contiue to pitch a No-Hitter or will they go to the Bull pen????

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