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The other side of the Carson Palmer coin

There is always another side to the proverbial coin.

When I discuss the interest I've perceived from the Dolphins for Cincinnati quarterback Carson Palmer -- based on conversations I've had with folks within the organization -- I always am very careful to point out this account only applies to Miami's interest.

I cannot tell you exactly what will happen when the lockout is lifted and players are allowed to be traded because I am not certain what the Bengals will do about Palmer. And they also get a vote. Yes, I believe the Bengals have offered small hints here and there they might be willing to part with Palmer for the right price.

But I haven't actually talked to the Bengals, I don't know what the price would be, and I have no clue what the Dolphins would think of that price.

That is the other side of the coin. And Geoff "Butch" Hobson, who was so good at covering the Bengals for so long the team waved the white flag and actually hired him (If you can't beat them, hire them), says the trade winds for Palmer are so still, there are no trade winds.

Not for the third-round pick Dan Marino suggested he would give. Not for anything any of you are willing to part with, based on my reading of your comments.

"... If [the Dolphins] think it’s going to take Dan Marino’s suggested third-round pick, they should take a drug test," Hobson wrote recently. "Mike Brown giving up Palmer for only a third-rounder? Never happen. Brown giving up Palmer period? Maybe less than never."

I sat next to Hobson during the NFL annual meetings in New Orleans. He mentioned more than once to me he thinks Palmer is simply outstanding. He said watching him during practices, he's seen Palmer make every single throw imaginable -- dashing the theory Palmer is too injured and diminished to make a difference any more. He also, on more than one occasion, compared Palmer to Jim Plunkett.

Plunkett, like Palmer, was a former No. 1 overall pick. Plunkett, like Palmer, had his share of struggles with a struggling franchise that drafted him. And Plunkett was traded to the Oakland Raiders where he won a couple of Super Bowl titles.

If that analogy is accurate, Palmer would be exactly the right veteran QB to chase once the NFL labor situation is settled.

I suppose that's the third side of the coin. Um, yeah, the third side of the coin.

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THE CIN WANTS TO GET READY IF A CONTRACT WORTH 14 MILLION A YEAR UNTI 2014,26 MILLION GUARANTEED ..... THIS IS THE REAL TRICK ,FORGET ABOUT HOW GOOD HE'S IN PRACTICE ...IN REAL GAMES LAST YEAR HE'S 3-13

Why would Marino be talking about bring Palmer in at all....Craig M....and Poizen were so HAPPY about that STATEMENT Marino made about Henne a few days ago.....

Weird......

Still think it was an Endorsement Craig M?

Are we speaking the SAME language now?

I think the Plunkett analogy is a good one, although I would argue that Palmer has actually had considerably more success in the first phase of his career than Plunkett did. Remember that he also flopped with the 49ers before finally finding success in Oakland.

I always think of Archie Manning in these situations, too. Manning was also stuck with perenially woeful franchises but his own talent was never in question. Had he played for one of the great teams in that era (Steelers, Dolphins, Vikings, etc.) I have no doubt he'd be in Canton today.

Conversely, if you flip-flopped Palmer and Roethlisberger in that division I think you'd find their careers (and struggles) very similar at this juncture, with Palmer being the one with the rings.

Palmer has a LOT of talent and the woes of the Bengals predate him by ba long time and will continue after his departure so long as they remain among the cheapest and most dysfunctional franchises in ALL sports, not just the NFL. Those that think Palmer is part of the problem there have little understanding of the situation (and it's FAR worse in magnitude than ANYTHING any Miami fan has ever experienced).

At the right price, the Dolphins would be foolish not to at least explore the possibility.

Of course, so much of this rests on the labor situation. If it wipes out training camp then any trade scenario becomes a moot issue as far as the 2011 season goes.

I WOULD SIGN PALMER FOR 134,000 BASED ON HIS RECORD LAST YEAR .

I am from south Florida and have followed the Dolphins closely over the years and the first thought that came to mind when reading this is... Here we go again. I have never seen a franchise more opposed to getting a franchise quarterback then Miami. This team needs a face to its franchise in the post-Marino era. Since Marino they have passed on Drew Brees for Daunte Culpepper which was a disaster and passed on Matt Ryan to get a good tackle in Jake Long. I am not going to go into the various other bad trades and ideas that this franchise attempted such Cleo Lemon and trading a second round pick for A.J. Feeley. Now in the aftermath of the Parcells era a franchise quarterback is necessary not a 31 year old who is more likely to throw the game away with a gun slinger mentality then he is to win a game. Neeedless to say the age, high salary, and history on injuries is something I believe the Dolphins should stay far away from.

CARSON PALMER HOUSE IS FOR SALE AT 2.1 MILLION DOLLARS,WAS PUT FOR SALE LAST WEEK ...HE DOES MEAN IT WHEN HE SAYS HE WILL NOT PLAY FOR CIN ANY MORE.

kris,

You CONTINUE to still be the only one who didn't think that was an endorsement of Henne. Doesn't matter bud...whatever happens with Henne you'll only see things one way.

0x80/CraigM,

The sky is blue.

(Just testing to see if there's anything we can agree on.)

Agreed DC.

Gotta go guys....maybe I'll have my impersonator step in for me...he needs the work!!

Ok 3rd round pick and Henne for Palmer. Brown gets a younger qb to compete with whoever they draft and we get seasoned vet we need. Win Win!!!

THE TIATANS WERE OFFERED TO TRADE FOR PALMER AND PASSED FOR TWO REASONS;

1-HIS INTERCEPTIONS LAST YEAR WAS A BIG RED FLAG TO THEM .

2-(( DUE TO THE DOWNWARD SPIRL IN HIS PREFORMANCE AND RECENT INJURES ,KNEE IN 2006 AND ELBOW IN 2008 HAS CONTIRBUTED TO HIS STRUGGLES OF LATE ))...THAT QUOTE FROM DREXL BERRY AT THE TOTAL TITANS WEB SITE .

I know Armando keeps saying Palmer, but I really think we would be better served with someone like Vince Y. I've heard all the flak concerning him, but I've seen nothing from Palmer to suggest he would be successful in Miami.

Hobson works for the Bungles. What else is he going to say?

Might I suggest a drug test for Mr. Hobson!

You guys want a 1st and or a 2nd rounder for a 32 year old broken down QB on the decline that expects a 15 million dollar contract? ROTFLMAO.

Mr. Hobson, you sir MUST the one that's HIGH! After all, you are what your record says you are. That means YOU, Mr. Palmer and the rest of your Bungles organization are PERRENIAL LOSERS!

Thanks for the laughs you "HIGH ON" but I'll stick with Mr. Marino's assessment.

A 1st and or a 2nd? No thanks Butchie Boy-ROTFLMFAO!!!!

IF CIN FIND A TRADE THEY SHOULD DO IT AT ANY PRICE TO GET READY OF 26 MILLION GUARANTEED ....IT'S ALL AN ACT TO GET READY OF HIM ...WHAT TEAM WILL GET THE HOOK FOR THAT TRADE ?


I SAY FINS WILL NOT GET HOOKED AGAIN .

I would rather see us pick up Vince and go for Mallet and let Henne compete, rather than get Palmer. Seems like a waste to me. Idk why Armando spends so much time on the one guy. Man crush comes to mind.

Can we please get off the palmer thing he sucks and hes not going to be a Dolphin. Period. Way too much money and his stats are not all that. Besides Vince Young is clearly the best QB for the job here in Miami.

Whoever starts at QB whenever the season starts will have it better than they did last yr. The OL can't suffer all of the bad breaks that happened last yr. Watching the Fins throughout they're existence I never saw that many injuries on the OL.

I don't care what anyone says, Marino did in fact give Henne a ringing endorsement.

Also, regardless of Marino's assessment of Palmer, giving up a 3rd and Henne would be ludicrous in my opinion.

For all the multitude of reasons aside, if Palmer came here on got injured, who are we going to go with then? Thigpen? The other guy we got whose name I can't even remember? A draft pick?

Henne is young and still has potential. Ultimately he has value to the Dolphins if nothing more than as a back up.

Palmers been on a steady decline PERIOD. For as much of a headache as TO and Ocho Dinkus are, they are talented WR's. Despite the Bungles Brain Trust getting these guys for Palmer, he still couldn't win 4 games.

Palmer just ain't what we're missing here in Miami. Can you imagine him throwing to Marshall, Bess and Hartline? Enuff Said!

I honestly believe Marino has him slightly overvalued for a 3rd.

Stick a fork in Carson he's done with, as old Fat Tuna said "You can't make chicken salad out of chicken s*it".

Thank God Craig. Glad we can see eye to eye on SOMETHING!!!! Hallelujah!

Really like VY, he would bring something to this team. More than Palmer, down side is he's a jerk. So what most of them are. He seems to me to be a bit like Ricky or Marshall. You just have to keep him in check and let him compete with our 2 other QB's. As far as Penne he's done!

Hobson thinks Palmer is 'simply outstanding'??

Ummm,no,he's really not. Palmer is 5 years past his best and had a very mediocre season in 2010 despite having 2 all pro WR's on the team AND a strong running game.

I would'nt even want Palmer on this Dolphins team if he did'nt cost us ANY draft picks....his 10 mill a season would be throwing money away imo

What is Palmer gonna do for one or two yrs on the Miami Dolphins?

Exactly

Nothing

Then start all over again

Brilliant

Just Brilliant

Pass on the 33 yr old Palmer and his garbage time padded stats

Not you Home. You have no proof. Didnt you also predict Henne was going to be All-Pro. We see how that went.

You guys saying Carson Palmer isn't the answer for the Dolphins are missing the point entirely.

The point is that they can't win with Chad Henne, and nothing else they do personnel-wise matters until they find a QB.

Jay Cutler and Kyle Orton won with Brandon Marshall, Carson Palmer or Vince Young could win with him too. The Dolphins can't just sit around and wait for a savior, they need to keep throwing sh*t at the position until something sticks.

marino was an awesome qb

marino is not necessarily an awesome asssesor of what the bengals want for palmer

palmer=plunkett = 2+2=5

henne=?=poss plunkett if goes elsewhere

dolphins need a franchise qb = correct

round 1 qb this year = franchise qb = 2+2=5

maybe draft a qb but not unless fo truly believes they're franchise just wait till a better year and pick bpa's

cp= armando mancrush = wrong vet to bring in

EVERYONE is jumping the gun here!!! First & foremost the NFL is in no hurry to get ANYTHING done!!! Therefore trading of players is not gonna happen for a long while!!! Palmer is past his prime & would ba a right now b/u starter!!! Henne's problems were bad play calling, & if y'all recall Henning called ALL the plays mostly bad & hand cuffed Henne!!! Dabol will help Henne be a better QB!!! Patience with Henne my fellow Fins fans!!!

armando on one thing about cp u are quite correct a coin does have at least 3 sides!

So while we can't just sit around waiting for a savior, we can afford to keep making Culpepper and AJ Feely like moves?

YeHaaaaaaaaaW! Let's mortgage our future and our salary cap. Who cares, just get us that perrenial All Pro Carson Palmer!

HOW CAN YOU WRITW A POST ABOUT PALMER WITHOUT WRITING ABOUT HIS 14 MILLION A YEAR UNTIL 2014 WITH 26 MILLION GUARANTEED TO HIM ?

LASO NOT WRITING ABOUT HIS KNEE INJURY AND ELBOW INJURE WHICH WERE THE REASON FOR HIS BAD LAST 3 SEASONS ?


ALSO NOT WRITING

Jay Cutler and Kyle Orton won with Brandon Marshall?? Really?? Did I miss something? None of those teams made the playoffs with Marshall either.

I agree with you Killerfin!

No one will pay to see 33 yr old immobile Carson Palmer and his garbage time padded stats as he loses yet another NFL football game

Get over it

We need youth

Even Vince Young is a much better choice, yea and he is 27 yrs old and torched the Dolphins with his laser pinpoint throws over our best CB

Ya see at least VY hhas a few yrs left and is much stronger than garbage time Palmer

Ya see he also had TO performing incredibly last season and Chad Ocho Cinco as the other bookend

garbage tim Palmer.....nice ........CAN I USE THAT HOME ?

Henne will be our starter

cuz the Dolphins got no nuts to get zzz best

255 lb QB Cam Newton

So let's face it

Never gonna beat the Pats

Only chance is a wildcard

Mediocre QB = Mediocre stats in AFC EAST

It Is
What It IS

With Henne and Henning running the show last year we moved the ball from our goal line all the way to field goal range almost effortlessly. I wonder what changed once we got within field goal range?

I know the field shrinks for the defense when their defending the red zone.

Still for some reason, I seem to remember the wildcat, the WR screen and the inside handoff from the shotgun being borishly predictable.

The inside handoff out of the shotgun was especially redudant considering it was THE ONLY TIME we used the shotgun.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot those play action fakes after the wildcat and WR screens put us in 3rd down and a gazillion.

Who wouldn't be a Daboll fan after 3 years of an over the hill-past his prime-barely coherent-buck passing- senile Dan Henning?

Daboll! Daboll! Daboll! Daboll!

Exactly odin. Everyone hates my idea (draft a 1st-rd QB every year until you find your franchise QB), but that's probably the fastest way to get to a SuperBowl.

I get how folks want to add essential pieces to the team, but if you don't have the QB, then you ain't goin' all the way (no matter what anyone says). Look at the Jets, they're guy is young, and they have pretty much all the other pieces, but still didn't get there (close doesn't do it). Now they have to start again since they'll lose lots of their FAs. So, my idea is to get the MAIN piece (like NE does with Brady), and then tweak the other guys until you have a competitive squad.

So stop buying other peoples mistakes, MAKE YOUR OWN AND DRAFT YOUR OWN GUY!!!

Aloco,

What is Chorizo?

This absolutely beautiful little blonde just made it for me.

odineseye,

you think it's IN THE INTEREST OF MARINO THAT FINS SUCK FOR EVER SO HIS VALUE KEEPS GOING UP ?

DC,

I don't know about using a 1st rounder every time. Especially in a year like this. Tom Brady's the perfect example. I know Brady's are few and far between, but they can be found in ANY round.

The point is, I agree. Even if I got Marino starting for me, I'm still drafting a QB EVERY YEAR. Maybe not in the 1st round, but somewhere down the line.

I wouldn't mind bringing in a Palmer type as a stop gap. Especially considering the position we're in and the weak FA QB's and draftee's available this year. Just not at the cost Brown and Hobson are alluding to.

Before I gave up anything more than a 3rd(which I still think is a bit high)I'd go with Henne, draft Stanzi later and look at some of the other FA's available.

This draft I'd get some BPA's, fill some needs and see where we're at!

Elway doesn't want Tebow. I say bring him to Miami.

Kyle Orton is the quarterback that I believe that Miami should pursue to light a fire in Chadd Henne! Watch!

I cant think of many QB's who would have had success in Miami last year. They dismantled the O-line that produced the #4 rushing attack the previous year, making last years run game a joke. I keep hearing Henne getting knocked for not throwing the deep ball. Who in the hell was he going to throw it to? They gave away the only speed threat we had for a song. Yes I know the knock on Ginn, but defenses would still have to account for him, especially paired with Marshall. And for all of the immobile talk, he was sacked 30 times last year, middle of the pack. He was actually scrambling for 1st downs towards the end of the year. In an offensive environment, that is even remotely less laughable than last years mystery, with a couple of speed weapons, and he will have a break out year.

Aloco,

NO. I think Marino was giving a fair and honest assessment of what he thinks Palmer and Henne are.

I've talked to Marino at a few camps and watched umpteen million interviews and broadcasts.

I don't think he's a vain or selfish type of person.

Granted our few "conversations" were almost identical.

Odinseye: Wow! You're Dan Marino!

Marino(snickering): Yeah.

Odinseye: Can I get an autograph for....ah,....um,.......my kid?

Marino(still snickering): Sure.

Anyway, the point is, I've never seen anything that makes me think he's a head case in the slightest.

At 33yrs old, in 3yrs he'll be on the severe decline side of his career.

I would give a 2nd rd'er for if I had a complete team and were only Carson Palmer away from reaching the SB. That's far from the case with us. This is still a team with far more questions than answers with Palmer.

So it would be ridiculous to give anything more than a 2012, not 2011, 3rd rd pick for him. This fo just needs to 'fess up, although Long is a perrenial pro bowler, they dropped the ball not choosing Matt Ryan.

Instead they may have "wasted" a 2nd rd pick on a career "middle of the pack" at best starter in Chad Henne.

I don't care what anybody says...just cause you say PERIOD behind your statement it doesn't make it a FACT.....

Not even in internet world....

Call me an optimist, but I see our three most pressing needs at the moment as:

1. A legitimate speed receiver(that can actually catch a pass).

2. A pass catching TE that can split the seams.

3. Offensive Lineman.

If we can address these three issues this off season, I'll be a happy camper.

LOL kris, that was hilarious.

Odin, drafting QB every year (no matter the round) is fine by me too, just get a dang franchise QB before the next decade.

Anyway fellas, I'm out. Time to fight the beltway crush (kris knows the dealie).

We can argue QBs tomorrow (since that's what this blog has turned into).

Craig M....

Your entitled to your opinion and I will keep mine....

but please you misunderstand me if you think my disagreement with you about Marino's statement/endorsement....

You have taken it as an attack on Henne....I haven't attacked Henne....in my mind he is really isn't even the subject of debate...its Marino's words that we interpertet differently....Henne's skills are not on the line in this minni debate.....


This fo and regime has pretty much dug thier own graves by not choosing Matt Ryan when they had the 1st overall pick. To over pay for Palmer now would only equate to a vain attempt at saving thier jobs and wouldnt be within the best interests of this team or very loyal fans.

If I were Ireland, I would take Mallet 1st rd, so if I went down I would go down swinging for the fences. Even if it got me fired, it would leave whomever suceeding me in much better position in the future at qb.

If you go down with Palmer, the guy suceeding you still has to be in that perrenial qb search that has been seemingly endless since Marino got the pink slip. Enough is f^ucking enough already!

Drawing attention to your "3rd side of the coin" comment was just excellent... Such a funny way to end this blog, and so incredibly witty. Right up there with episodes of "Reba". And since you MUST have written for "Reba" when it was on the air, (it's not still on the air, is it, Mando?) then obviously you're using your established wit and humor here as well. And I thank you for that, as I'm sure all your little fans appreciate it as well... considering most of them (clearly) have the same level of lowest-common-denominator intelligence that most bad sitcoms aim for.

As one poster suggested, going 4-12 with much better weapons than Chad Henne had here in Miami should be a very HUGE RED FLAG with Palmer.

That's why I say anything more than a 2012 3rd rd'er fro a guy who may only have 3 more decent years left in him borders on complete insanity.

DC....have a safe trip....I've been travelling the last week.....Utah and Oregon....man these roads are nice.....and uncluttered...like GOD intended.....

If we go out and overpay for the services of Carson Palmer. Then its official:

"WE ARE THE NEW MIAMI LIONS OF THE AFC EAST"

Breed, We're already the "Lions" of the AFC.............

Kris,

I'm assuming your last post was directed at me and me alone, PERIOD!

I'm not sure what you're taking exception with.

Marino gave Henne an endorsement as an NFL starting calibre QB that simply had an off season. That was his words, not mine.

The last statement I made with a "Period" was that Parlmer has been on the decline for quite a few seasons. I don't know what you want to call it, but it is a STATISTICAL FACT-PERIOD(LOL).

Anyway, for future reference, when I type period, all I mean by it is that's my firm opinion and I most likely won't be changing it.

I mean, I could end my sentences with "Case CLOSED, Conversation OVER", but that just sounds..........well,........ RUDE!

Beware the power of suggestion. Armando suggests CP and all of a sudden half the world conjures up what would be the appropriate value for him. Giving up any pick for a stop gap vet on the decline makes no sense to me. Nada. Why dinkle dink around with the fantasy we'll nab some stop gap QB that will magically take us to the SB while the guy behind him develops into the next franchise QB. That is fantasy central. Give it up.

Henne is a officially a vet. Draft a guy who could be the guy and let Henne either prove it this year or just be our back QB for now. Lets not reach for saviors in their decline that never were saviors to begin with. Couple that with a cripple season coming up, it defies all logic.

Im sure Jeff Ireland will be trying to sell us on what a great deal it was to get Palmer for 2012 2nd rd pick. The trying to regain our 2nd rd pick carousel never ends.

However, my greatest nightmare is Ireland trading back and trading that 2011 1st rd pick for Palmer. I pray there isnt a cba reached before the draft. It means no 2011 picks can be traded for Palmer period.

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